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| fenn | i should make a babington oil-fired water heater | 00:00 |
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| fenn | and heat my house with it | 00:00 |
| genehacker | no, you should make a water heater fired with junk mail | 00:26 |
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| wrldpc | um .. anyone else see the ad in the Metro today for the "hi-tech" Amish-made free space heaters? | 01:15 |
| fenn | we dont live in the same region | 01:16 |
| * fenn points at the internet | 01:16 | |
| fenn | what does an amish space heater look like? | 01:17 |
| genehacker | yeah, the amish space heaters are really really crappy from what I hear | 01:17 |
| genehacker | http://blogs.chron.com/consumerwatch/2008/01/amish_heater_not_a_hot_item.html | 01:18 |
| wrldpc | lol | 01:18 |
| wrldpc | http://www.goodcleantech.com/heat%20surge%20fireplace%20amish.jpg | 01:18 |
| genehacker | I wonder if I can get a handmade pneumatic powered amish computer | 01:19 |
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| fenn | kanzure, want me to distill that inventory comparison down to something that makes sense? | 02:50 |
| fenn | if it's even possible | 02:51 |
| fenn | looks like emachineshop is "the complete set" | 02:52 |
| fenn | it's a list of processes though, not equipment | 02:53 |
| fenn | hmm maybe not, they dont have a vinyl cutter or similar | 02:54 |
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| fenn | ooo plutocracy looks ripe for the stealing | 03:31 |
| fenn | basis for building smirf | 03:31 |
| kanzure3 | wrldpc: I've seen those ads on tv :( | 08:47 |
| kanzure3 | fenn: yes please. | 08:47 |
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| genehacker | kanzure do you have a multimeter? | 16:03 |
| genehacker | a good one | 16:03 |
| genehacker | one with a diode test function | 16:04 |
| genehacker | or do you have a big resistor? | 16:17 |
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| kanzure | No. Just a crap one. | 18:29 |
| genehacker | nevermind | 18:42 |
| genehacker | what there aren't any AWESOME electronic surplus stores around here? | 18:43 |
| fenn | only in san diego and tokyo | 18:44 |
| fenn | and shenzhen if that counts.. | 18:44 |
| genehacker | there was an awesome electronics store where I used to live | 18:44 |
| genehacker | but nothing like tokyo | 18:44 |
| genehacker | where are the awesome surplus stores in san diego? | 18:45 |
| fenn | dunno i've never been there | 18:45 |
| genehacker | I've seen a fry's with a tesla coil, but never anything cool | 18:45 |
| genehacker | down there | 18:46 |
| genehacker | though they have The computer history museum | 18:46 |
| genehacker | you should go sometime | 18:50 |
| genehacker | ever seen magnetic core memory in real life? | 18:50 |
| kanzure | fenn: so I went in to ADL today to do fumble around on the machines | 18:51 |
| kanzure | and there's a new file format that the other universities want me to generate | 18:51 |
| kanzure | it essentially amounts to a list of 136 different component names | 18:51 |
| kanzure | and then a boolean value as to whether or not that component is present in the design | 18:51 |
| kanzure | :( | 18:51 |
| kanzure | and then some vector math on that. :( | 18:52 |
| genehacker | that's sort of like legos | 18:52 |
| kanzure | how? | 18:52 |
| kanzure | this is one of the most terrible ideas I've ever heard | 18:52 |
| fenn | it's "digital" :P | 18:52 |
| kanzure | the "slightly more complicated version" is a table where the columns are the 136 different components, and the columns are too, | 18:52 |
| genehacker | I think I misinterepreted | 18:52 |
| kanzure | so if you have "gear" connected to an "engine", the intersection would have a '1' | 18:52 |
| kanzure | or if there's more than 1, you'd ++. | 18:53 |
| fenn | adjacency matrix == graph | 18:53 |
| kanzure | not really, | 18:53 |
| fenn | why not? | 18:53 |
| kanzure | imagine that you have 2 engine-to-gear occurences | 18:53 |
| kanzure | but the engine-to-gear in one case connects to something else | 18:53 |
| fenn | oh well that's just a stupid way to write your matrix, that's all | 18:53 |
| kanzure | it' stupid overall. | 18:53 |
| kanzure | who the hell determined 136? | 18:53 |
| fenn | it's specified in the talmud | 18:53 |
| genehacker | whoever rolled the 200-d | 18:54 |
| fenn | talmud: oldest role playing game evar! | 18:54 |
| genehacker | hahahahahahaha | 18:54 |
| genehacker | http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/07/airknife.html | 18:55 |
| genehacker | is sharpened wedge a component? | 18:56 |
| genehacker | what about wings? | 18:56 |
| kanzure | nope, nope | 18:56 |
| kanzure | this is why it's a bad idea. | 18:56 |
| genehacker | name some of the components | 18:56 |
| kanzure | I don't have the list in front of me | 18:57 |
| kanzure | oh wait, one sec | 18:57 |
| genehacker | hmmm... so maybe several different daemons each design their own solution to the problem and then argue over which one is the best | 18:58 |
| kanzure | brusher, diverger, nozzle, housing, electric cord, carousel, conveyor, belt, clutch, extension, shaft, heat exchanger, hinge, tube, diode, bearing, link, sled, .. | 18:58 |
| kanzure | fwd'd to both of you | 18:59 |
| genehacker | what's a brusher? | 18:59 |
| kanzure | dunno | 18:59 |
| kanzure3 | http://voiced.device.mst.edu/groups/VisualizeIT/weblog/80da7/attachments/350a6/component_terms.pdf | 19:00 |
| kanzure3 | there's the PDF .. | 19:00 |
| kanzure | I immediately told the doc how stupid this is | 19:01 |
| fenn | because a housing is certainly not a heat exchanger is totally different from a tube | 19:01 |
| kanzure | totally. | 19:01 |
| fenn | oh, no i really dont want to look at it, thanks | 19:01 |
| fenn | has anyone seen my xmms? | 19:02 |
| kanzure | no? | 19:02 |
| kanzure | xmms uninstalled itself on my system, I have to go hunt it down in backports | 19:02 |
| kanzure | (I just have xmms2 and audacious, and audacious sucks) | 19:02 |
| fenn | do you know what happened? wtf | 19:02 |
| genehacker | actuator? | 19:02 |
| genehacker | why not use muscle wire | 19:02 |
| kanzure | genehacker: I think you're missing the point. | 19:03 |
| genehacker | have fun | 19:03 |
| genehacker | bye | 19:03 |
| kanzure | but don't you get it? | 19:03 |
| kanzure | I mean, this is a *bad* idea | 19:03 |
| kanzure | because you can't possibly make a global universal ontology | 19:04 |
| kanzure | without pointing a gun to everyone's head | 19:04 |
| kanzure | ok, anyway | 19:08 |
| fenn | ah well at least audacious looks sorta interchangeable | 19:10 |
| fenn | unlike the awful crap i saw for xmms2-client | 19:10 |
| kanzure | I've found it functionally lacking | 19:10 |
| kanzure | there's a way to tell apt-get to ignore the xmms dependencies or something | 19:11 |
| kanzure | like, if you go manually dpkg -i it, | 19:11 |
| kanzure | and then set in your aliases for apt-get to always ignore it | 19:11 |
| kanzure | but this is so much of a hack. I don't know what's wrong with xmms in the first place. | 19:11 |
| fenn | it's a conspiracy | 19:14 |
| fenn | that's the only possible explanation | 19:14 |
| fenn | i am sort of annoyed that it uninstalled and i didnt know | 19:15 |
| fenn | presumably apt-get told me at some point | 19:15 |
| kanzure | hm, xmms is not in etch-backports. | 19:16 |
| fenn | lol "We are not an XMMS clone. Architecturally, Audacious is much different than XMMS, it just sorta looks like XMMS, which I think sends the wrong message, but whatever. The fact is that we do not consider ourselves to be an XMMS clone or an XMMS replacement, and you should strongly consider that before removing XMMS and providing a transitive upgrade path to audacious. | 19:24 |
| kanzure | if I had enough chocolate I'd start writing up my "chainlinks" for command line arguments. | 19:29 |
| kanzure | wrap each argument into a 'chainlink' (the subunit of a chain, whatever you call that) | 19:30 |
| kanzure | and then evaluate a 'loop' or 'chain' to see if all of the links "add up" or are compatible (i.e., some are mutually exclusive) | 19:30 |
| kanzure | (logic inference engine) | 19:30 |
| kanzure | No. Not inference. Nevermind. | 19:32 |
| fenn | And you know (you’ve got to know!) that this is going to turn into an obsession. First, you’ll completely forget to take the dog out. It’ll be standing by the screen door, darting its head about, as your eyes devour the code, as your fingers slip messages to the computer. | 19:56 |
| fenn | Thanks to your neglect, things will start to break. Your mounds of printed sheets of code will cover up your air vents. Your furnace will choke. The trash will pile-up: take-out boxes you hurriedly ordered in, junk mail you couldn’t care to dispose of. Your own uncleanliness will pollute the air. Moss will infest the rafters, the water will clog, animals will let themselves in, trees will come up through the foundations. | 19:56 |
| fenn | But your computer will be well-cared for. And you, Smotchkkiss, will have nourished it with your knowledge. In the eons you will have spent with your machine, you will have become part-CPU. And it will have become part-flesh. Your arms will flow directly into its ports. Your eyes will accept the video directly from DVI-24 pin. Your lungs will sit just above the processor, cooling it. | 19:56 |
| fenn | And just as the room is ready to force itself shut upon you, just as all the overgrowth swallows you and your machine, you will finish your script. You and the machine together will run this latest Ruby script, the product of your obsession. | 19:56 |
| fenn | And the script will fire up chainsaws to trim the trees, hearths to warm and regulate the house. Builder nanites will rush from your script, reconstructing your quarters, retiling, renovating, chroming, polishing, disinfecting. | 19:56 |
| fenn | Mighty androids will force your crumbling house into firm, rigid architecture. Great pillars will rise, statues chiseled. You will have dominion over this palatial estate and over the encompassing mountains and islands of your stronghold. | 19:57 |
| kanzure3 | "And so was born the Second Law of the Civilized Worlds, which was that Man could not stare too long at the faces of the Computer or her children, and still remain as Man." | 19:58 |
| kanzure3 | http://heybryan.org/Lain's-Room-001.jpg | 20:01 |
| kanzure | I always find it remarkable how well others are able to describe my life without knowing me. | 20:08 |
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| kanzure | why are refridgerators made so that you have to do a lot of stupid things to get to the stuff in the back | 21:36 |
| kanzure | why not just use the kitchen island as a refridgerator? like a giant cooler (except with a partially sliding top, instead of letting out all of the cool air) | 21:36 |
| kanzure | (the point is that a sliding top, plus sliding layers, could allow a robotic arm to process standardized tv dinners or other thingies) | 21:57 |
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| kanzure3 | http://www.schweikhardt.net/man_page_howto.html man howto. just some basic stuff. | 23:15 |
| kanzure3 | http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/Case%20Studies%20in%20the%20Use%20of%20Design%20Repositories%20in%20Mechanical%20Engineering.pdf Case studies in the use of design repositories in mechanical engineering | 23:35 |
| kanzure3 | http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=J10XQ3kf7r0C&oi=fnd&pg=PA141&dq=%22Why+objects+are+not+enough%22&ots=EGmhMmZ-0d&sig=uaCQY1N5zKWzbMuZMvUhknd-_Bo Why objects are not enough | 23:44 |
| genehacker | so Kanzure I want to do some transcranial direct current stimulation | 23:47 |
| kanzure | I know less about that than transcranial magnetic stimulation. | 23:48 |
| genehacker | I am having trouble figuring out how to get 35 cm sq electrode stuck to my head | 23:48 |
| genehacker | that's pretty big | 23:49 |
| kanzure | well, they usually do caps | 23:49 |
| kanzure | other times, I've seen them use those 'suction cups' that moms use for bath tubs for young kids | 23:49 |
| kanzure | except not for suction | 23:49 |
| kanzure | Wasn't there an article that we were talking about in here where someone attached electrodes via a paper clip or thin needle? | 23:50 |
| kanzure | it's the same principle as sticking a sowing needle through the very fine layers of your thumb and not really feeling anything | 23:50 |
| genehacker | well check to see if you have any papers | 23:50 |
| genehacker | or acupuncture? | 23:50 |
| kanzure | heh, acupuncture but through the skull? no thanks :) | 23:51 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/neuro/ | 23:51 |
| kanzure | but most of that is MEA stuff. | 23:51 |
| genehacker | http://www.magstim.com/magstimdcstimulator.html | 23:51 |
| genehacker | commercial unit | 23:51 |
| genehacker | how the heck do I get contact with the skin on my head | 23:53 |
| kanzure3 | go bald. | 23:53 |
| kanzure3 | ooh, fenn - http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/A%20port%20ontology%20for%20conceptual%20design%20of%20systems.pdf | 23:53 |
| genehacker | I really don't want to | 23:53 |
| kanzure3 | a port ontology for the conceptual design of systems | 23:54 |
| kanzure3 | genehacker: well, if you knew absolutely that it would work, would you do it? | 23:54 |
| kanzure3 | because you might as well just test with a hand | 23:54 |
| kanzure3 | *would you do it (it = go bald) | 23:54 |
| genehacker | what electrically stimulate my hands? | 23:54 |
| kanzure3 | well the neurons in particular :) | 23:55 |
| genehacker | they call that TENS | 23:55 |
| genehacker | tDCS is a bit different | 23:55 |
| genehacker | tDCS allow neurons to fire at lower activation potentials | 23:56 |
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