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| kanzure | so another issue is that we want to do full bootstrapping and kitmaking for other shops. | 00:06 |
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| kanzure | I think I might have to go ask Alec and go figure out orgmode :) | 00:06 |
| fenn | too much on your platter? | 00:07 |
| kanzure | no, I mean, I'll figure out orgmode on my own of course | 00:07 |
| kanzure | and yes, | 00:07 |
| kanzure | if you're willing to take some off my platter for me, .. | 00:07 |
| fenn | what needs doing? | 00:08 |
| kanzure | a business plan? heh' | 00:08 |
| kanzure | I mean, renting is fine, but I can't guarantee him that people would fill up the spots | 00:08 |
| fenn | perhaps you should hire an MBA consultant for a few kilobucks :P | 00:08 |
| kanzure | and he's open to suggestions on other possible ways to do this | 00:08 |
| kanzure | heh | 00:08 |
| fenn | what are the costs? | 00:09 |
| kanzure | total monthly rent, free water, electricity, health inspection (or something like that?) | 00:09 |
| fenn | he's renting the place? | 00:10 |
| kanzure | yes | 00:10 |
| fenn | um, why? | 00:10 |
| kanzure | don't know? | 00:10 |
| fenn | do you know how much rent is? | 00:11 |
| kanzure | $2k/mo | 00:11 |
| * fenn grumbles | 00:12 | |
| fenn | not insurmountable but enough to require constant attention | 00:13 |
| fenn | that's a CNC mill every month | 00:13 |
| kanzure | I want to go back and do a full inventory of the place re: all of the tools | 00:13 |
| kanzure | I wouldn't mind making a CNC mill every month | 00:13 |
| kanzure | that's kinda the idea | 00:13 |
| fenn | no i mean the materials for a CNC mill cost about $2k (using conventional methods) | 00:14 |
| fenn | are you busy with school? | 00:15 |
| kanzure | sort of. | 00:15 |
| kanzure | less so than last semester, but still I'm busy | 00:15 |
| kanzure | but this can take priority easily | 00:15 |
| kanzure | I was thinking of somehow getting you on the phone with Leslie (Les) | 00:16 |
| kanzure | and then going from there | 00:16 |
| fenn | i'm not very good at the telephone | 00:16 |
| kanzure | hrm, well, email | 00:17 |
| fenn | know his number/schedule? | 00:18 |
| kanzure | his schedule seems to be pretty free, hold on a sec | 00:18 |
| kanzure | Leslie Filip 512 962 6534 | 00:19 |
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| kanzure | argh, I need to have had "fabuntu" done *yesterday* | 00:20 |
| fenn | actually things are looking pretty sweet on the linux cad/cam front | 00:21 |
| kanzure | well I mean more for inventory, BOMs, accounting, stuff like that | 00:21 |
| kanzure | CAD/CAM does seem fine, yes | 00:21 |
| fenn | dunno if you saw these links: http://code.google.com/p/libactp/ http://code.google.com/p/libarea/ http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/ http://code.google.com/p/heekscnc/ | 00:22 |
| kanzure | I looked at libarea, but didn't see much | 00:22 |
| fenn | it's just this thing that i'd been working on for months | 00:22 |
| fenn | and not making any progress ;P | 00:22 |
| fenn | so anyway, you need fablab accounting software | 00:23 |
| fenn | i think they spend too much money anyway | 00:23 |
| kanzure | I guess I need to become a super linux system admin at the minimum | 00:23 |
| fenn | you mean you're not? | 00:24 |
| kanzure | heh | 00:24 |
| kanzure | well, if I was a super admin, it would have already happened | 00:24 |
| fenn | sysadmin != accountant | 00:24 |
| kanzure | blah, but there should be accounting software already | 00:25 |
| fenn | maybe bring it up on OM | 00:25 |
| fenn | now that fawzi's gone we can talk about money in practical terms :) | 00:25 |
| kanzure | didn't Ned Lilly say that he deals specifically with this? | 00:25 |
| kanzure | hah | 00:25 |
| fenn | xTuple, formerly OpenMFG, provides an open source ERP (Enterprise Resource Planning) system for companies of all sizes. | 00:26 |
| fenn | whatever that means | 00:26 |
| fenn | probably some SQL frontend | 00:27 |
| kanzure | yes | 00:28 |
| kanzure | QT GUI thingy | 00:28 |
| fenn | Product | 00:28 |
| fenn | Inventory Schedule | 00:28 |
| fenn | Purchase Manufacture | 00:28 |
| fenn | CRM Sales | 00:28 |
| fenn | Accounting System | 00:28 |
| fenn | just reading this page hurts my soul | 00:30 |
| kanzure | it seems like this is an opportunity to "do things right" | 00:31 |
| fenn | i just want a search engine and a 'buy it now' button | 00:31 |
| kanzure | :) | 00:31 |
| fenn | for the local database that is | 00:31 |
| fenn | i wish yaml werent so finicky | 00:32 |
| fenn | ok i dont think openmfg is worth using | 00:33 |
| kanzure | me either | 00:33 |
| kanzure | somehow Ned makes $14k off of it in consulting fees or something | 00:34 |
| fenn | i'm going to assume that since this is for fablabs that the users will add their own features, so i dont have to have a bunch of crap that nobody really needs | 00:34 |
| kanzure | sure | 00:35 |
| fenn | wait a sec, why did you need fabuntu "yesterday"? | 00:35 |
| kanzure | oh, just a saying. | 00:35 |
| fenn | yeah but why? | 00:35 |
| kanzure | well because if I would have been more confident in myself, I would have worked on that sort of software more I guess | 00:36 |
| kanzure | and then I would have had the software and said "yep, I have this ready to go" | 00:36 |
| kanzure | for just this type of thing to spontaneously happen.. | 00:36 |
| kanzure | and here I am, about the only other guy he knows that understands everything he's ranting about | 00:36 |
| kanzure | blah. | 00:36 |
| fenn | heh | 00:36 |
| fenn | seems like there would be lots of people like that in austin | 00:36 |
| fenn | maybe its just the internet getting to me | 00:37 |
| kanzure | "dear lazyweb, please give me a fablab" | 00:37 |
| kanzure | "okay" | 00:37 |
| kanzure | "WTF" | 00:37 |
| fenn | hey i dont see why not | 00:37 |
| fenn | btw can we never use the word "maker" please :) | 00:42 |
| kanzure | heh | 00:42 |
| kanzure | okay | 00:42 |
| fenn | i feel like i'm hearing an ad for make zine every time i hear that word | 00:43 |
| kanzure3_ | well, you are. | 00:43 |
| fenn | bah fabuntu.org got sniped | 00:44 |
| kanzure3_ | and that's why I archived. | 00:44 |
| fenn | yeah but the domain name is still important | 00:44 |
| fenn | i mean it was never "implemented" in the first place | 00:45 |
| fenn | so the idea is all that matters | 00:45 |
| fenn | and the domain name is a large part of the idea | 00:46 |
| kanzure3_ | oh right. | 00:46 |
| kanzure3_ | I thought you thought the domain name sucked? | 00:46 |
| fenn | i dont remember | 00:46 |
| fenn | it might have been one of my cyclical "i hate the world and especially fablab" phases | 00:47 |
| kanzure3_ | it's ok, we all hate each other or something | 00:47 |
| kanzure3_ | :p | 00:47 |
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| fenn | so i'm going to be inventorying my crap, and building an inventory app at the same time | 00:48 |
| fenn | ostensibly | 00:48 |
| fenn | but i think its bedtime for me today | 00:49 |
| kanzure3_ | same here, but music first or something | 00:49 |
| fenn | damn programming projects are piling up lately | 00:49 |
| fenn | you know how to rotate things in opengl? | 00:50 |
| kanzure3_ | um, translate3f ? | 00:50 |
| kanzure3_ | blargh, where's my opengl superbible | 00:50 |
| kanzure3_ | still at the dead house | 00:50 |
| fenn | glRotatef(a,b,c) | 00:50 |
| kanzure3_ | s/dead/death/ | 00:50 |
| kanzure3_ | sounds about right | 00:50 |
| fenn | er glRotatef(theta,x,y,z) | 00:50 |
| fenn | anyway the problem is getting the order right, or something | 00:51 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/vismach.py scroll down to Track and look at the apply method | 00:51 |
| fenn | so i have azimuth and elevation but i cant figure out how to rotate the damn object to those angles | 00:52 |
| kanzure3_ | hrm, are you sure it should come after glPushMatrix() ? | 00:52 |
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| fenn | that sets the origin at 0 so when i rotate it doesnt rotate around the center of the scene (i think) | 00:53 |
| kanzure3_ | the others have glRotatef before glPushMatrix, btw | 00:53 |
| kanzure3_ | the other methods I mean, like in CylinderX somewhere | 00:53 |
| kanzure3_ | oh | 00:53 |
| kanzure3_ | #glPushMatrix() | 00:57 |
| kanzure3_ | #glTranslatef(-3.0, -2.0, 0.0) | 00:57 |
| kanzure3_ | #glRotatef(angle, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0) | 00:57 |
| kanzure3_ | #glCallList(gear1) | 00:57 |
| kanzure3_ | #glPopMatrix() | 00:57 |
| * kanzure3_ found Ray's "The Singularity is Near" on one of the bookshelfs | 00:58 | |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/06/crowdsourced-science.html | 00:59 |
| kanzure3_ | how to do a gel in a straw | 00:59 |
| kanzure3_ | hah | 00:59 |
| fenn | i made boingboing? | 00:59 |
| kanzure3_ | yes :) | 00:59 |
| fenn | and i didnt even have to do anything! | 00:59 |
| kanzure3_ | amazing! | 00:59 |
| fenn | too bad they got the credit wrong | 01:00 |
| kanzure3_ | :( | 01:00 |
| kanzure3_ | " | 01:01 |
| kanzure3_ | This was a recent topic of discussion on the DIYbio mailing list. Ben Lipkowitz wondered whether it would be possible to use a narrow, rigid tube to contain the gel, rather than a big carrier. This would allow for the use of less buffer and lower voltage, since a physically smaller amount of gel is a smaller resistor." | 01:01 |
| * fenn investigates "keiki" stuff | 01:01 | |
| kanzure3_ | http://maradydd.livejournal.com/417631.html | 01:01 |
| kanzure3_ | ]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keiki | 01:01 |
| kanzure3_ | "We're calling these "keiki gels" because they're so small and cute -- and so simple, even a little kid can do them." | 01:02 |
| kanzure3_ | "This should lend itself to easy mass production: take a largish tub, mix water and agar-agar in it and dump a couple of whole-sale packages of drinking straws in the tub. | 01:02 |
| kanzure3_ | Lift each straw back out, pinching the ends, and put it to cool and set. | 01:02 |
| kanzure3_ | And in a few hours, you've a years supply of phoresis tubes." | 01:02 |
| fenn | heh google groups doesnt do a very good job of hiding email addresses | 01:19 |
| fenn | oh nevermind that's my google account | 01:20 |
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| fenn | http://garethbranwyn.com/borg.html this is funny because its the guy who wrote http://streettech.com/bcp/ | 03:05 |
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| kanzure3_ | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/members?&sort=date&order=rev 583 members | 08:31 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Nut_20Vending_20Machine | 08:42 |
| kanzure3_ | "Vending machine for nuts (the hardware type). For each type and thread of nut, have a long screw with a small motor (you could even have a hand-turned version). The screw is covered in nuts, in a hex-shaped hole. When money is deposited, the screw turns a fixed number of times for your selected product, and the nut falls off the end of the screw." | 08:42 |
| kanzure3_ | "Fastenal—a vending machine that dispenses nuts and bolts." | 08:43 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.fastenal.com/content/solutions/ | 08:43 |
| kanzure3_ | "SmartStore is a secure, fully-automated Fastenal store right in your location. Fastenal's exclusive SmartStore service provides you with the latest online Industrial Vending Technology. Local Fastenal Store personnel manage the inventory for you and keep your SmartStore stocked. Best of all, you only pay for the products you use." | 08:43 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.fastenal.com/content/solutions/smartstore.shtml | 08:44 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.wickedblog.com/2007/02/17/open-source-vending-machine/ "freedom toaster" burns software. | 08:45 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.freedomtoaster.org/?q=Build | 08:45 |
| fenn | hahaha that's awesome | 09:18 |
| kanzure3_ | http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/celebdatabase/keanureeves/keanu_reeves1ALT_300_400.jpg <- Les might as well be his twin | 09:22 |
| fenn | i like the rfid lockers http://www.fastenal.com/content/solutions/pdf/smartstore.pdf | 09:33 |
| fenn | on the last page | 09:34 |
| kanzure3_ | I wonder how this dispenses nuts and bolts | 09:37 |
| kanzure3_ | I guess you could do it by the bag | 09:37 |
| kanzure3_ | and then when you get stuff in the mail, sort it into little baggies | 09:37 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.slashgear.com/wearable-projection-computer-project-internet-sixth-sense-0633300/ | 11:36 |
| kanzure3_ | upcreation | 11:37 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2007/03/bootstrapping_t.php | 11:37 |
| kanzure3_ | Les mentioned "upcreation" | 11:37 |
| kanzure3_ | but it just links over to Kevin Kelly's The Technium article on David Gingery | 11:37 |
| kanzure3_ | blah | 11:37 |
| kanzure3_ | http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=499 steam engine schematics | 11:40 |
| kanzure | hm, Smari suggests letting the small stuff go for free, but then adding 10% of the price on the big stuff (like microcontroller boards etc.) | 11:49 |
| kanzure | and also asking people to give rough estimates of what they've used in terms of small stuff | 11:50 |
| kanzure | but this doesn't sound like a good idea | 11:50 |
| kanzure | it would be awesome if I could force everyone to do BOMs | 11:50 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.endesign.com/ | 11:53 |
| kanzure3_ | " | 12:04 |
| kanzure3_ | Our product up in the RRG is OSCAR and the spin out company is Agile Planet." | 12:04 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.armautomation.com/ | 12:08 |
| kanzure3_ | "A first company ARM Automation made a push for industrial grade, | 12:08 |
| kanzure3_ | reconfigurable hardware automation, but found their best revenue sources | 12:08 |
| kanzure3_ | didn't come from novel, expensive hardware but simply from the | 12:08 |
| kanzure3_ | bunch-of-smart-guys-who-can-solve-your-automation-problems model." | 12:08 |
| kanzure3_ | So we have: (1) http://www.instructables.com/id/5_minute_DNA_Extraction_in_a_Shot_Glass/ | 12:50 |
| kanzure3_ | and now there's (2) drinking draw molecular separator http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/06/crowdsourced-science.html | 12:50 |
| kanzure3_ | that's not a bad start. (3) ??? | 12:50 |
| kanzure3_ | methlyene blue is available at fish supply stores? | 12:52 |
| fenn | yep, antifungal treatment | 13:00 |
| gene | kanzure | 13:17 |
| gene | guess what | 13:17 |
| gene | you can do ligation with DNA polymerase | 13:19 |
| gene | in extension PCR | 13:19 |
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| kanzure | David Nunez, David Treadwell, David Rauchwerk, David Dalrymple, screw this. No more "Davids" allowed in the open source hardware scene. :p | 13:32 |
| kanzure3_ | http://wiki.fablab.af/index.php/Operating_procedures | 13:45 |
| kanzure3_ | http://img.cba.mit.edu/img/?f=Afghanistan | 13:45 |
| kanzure3_ | http://img.cba.mit.edu/img/?v=t&d=070702_Barcelona_4x8workshop_fablab_byTomasDiez | 13:47 |
| gene | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/06/crowdsourced-science.html | 13:55 |
| gene | holy cow we did it | 13:55 |
| kanzure3_ | heh | 13:55 |
| kanzure3_ | fun to find out that it worked from boingboing | 13:56 |
| kanzure3_ | rather than finding out from us, huh? | 13:56 |
| gene | yeah | 13:56 |
| gene | I think I might start an extension PCR thread | 13:57 |
| gene | extension PCR+ maskless lithography gene synthesis = gene compiler | 13:57 |
| gene | oh yeah, Kanzure I forgot to tell you what the biobrick group is doing here | 14:00 |
| gene | their putting eukaryotic genes into prokaryotes! | 14:01 |
| kanzure3_ | I thoguht Ellington no longer wanted to do biobricks. | 14:01 |
| kanzure3_ | *thought | 14:01 |
| kanzure3_ | is this a different group? | 14:01 |
| gene | *they're | 14:01 |
| gene | different group | 14:01 |
| kanzure3_ | which one? | 14:01 |
| gene | eukaryotic gene control sequences | 14:01 |
| gene | not sure | 14:01 |
| kanzure3_ | No, what lab group. | 14:02 |
| kanzure3_ | Then how do you know? | 14:02 |
| gene | not sure | 14:02 |
| gene | learned about at the undergrad research fair | 14:02 |
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| kanzure3_ | I think my six hours at the shop were better spent :) | 14:02 |
| kanzure3_ | you'll have to go sometime | 14:02 |
| kanzure3_ | bus accessible. | 14:03 |
| gene | six hours! | 14:04 |
| gene | time it takes to get there? | 14:04 |
| kanzure3_ | ten minutes? | 14:04 |
| gene | ok | 14:04 |
| kanzure3_ | we stopped and ate somewhere for lunch, or dinner or something | 14:04 |
| gene | machines they have there? | 14:05 |
| kanzure3_ | I didn't do a full inventory list, | 14:05 |
| kanzure3_ | but there's a mechmate, all sorts of vacuum presses and vacuums stuff, drill presses, full woodworking shop, | 14:05 |
| kanzure3_ | table saws, drills, plans to start on a lathe soon, etc. | 14:05 |
| gene | no lasercutter? | 14:06 |
| kanzure3_ | next time I go back, I'm doing a full inventory (screw this shit) | 14:06 |
| kanzure3_ | no laser cutter, but the waterjet is down the street | 14:06 |
| kanzure3_ | water cutter thing, I mean | 14:06 |
| gene | price to use? | 14:06 |
| kanzure3_ | no idea | 14:06 |
| kanzure3_ | to use the water cutter? no idea | 14:06 |
| gene | good enough possibly better | 14:06 |
| kanzure3_ | but using this fablab? near zilch | 14:06 |
| gene | 3d printer? | 14:07 |
| kanzure3_ | no, but let's make one | 14:07 |
| gene | excellent | 14:07 |
| gene | ummm... about that | 14:07 |
| kanzure3_ | he's put in $100k+ into this shop so far, but he wants to bootstrap it | 14:07 |
| gene | the 3d printer is down | 14:07 |
| kanzure3_ | this was going to be the Austin TechShop, but he backed out when he realized the business model sucked | 14:07 |
| gene | how's he paying for it? | 14:08 |
| fenn | dear lazy web, please give me a business model | 14:08 |
| kanzure3_ | fenn: coworking + consulting. that's what I'm thinking of at this point. | 14:08 |
| gene | ok | 14:08 |
| kanzure3_ | gene: out of pocket. | 14:08 |
| gene | the 3d printer shows signs of sabotage | 14:09 |
| kanzure3_ | unplugged? | 14:09 |
| fenn | what's that snickering sound? | 14:09 |
| gene | no | 14:09 |
| kanzure3_ | fenn: the gnomes. | 14:09 |
| gene | extruder got destroyed | 14:09 |
| gene | there are strange circular marks on the walls | 14:09 |
| fenn | yep sounds like gnomes alright | 14:10 |
| kanzure3_ | was there gold dust all over the place? | 14:10 |
| gene | nope | 14:10 |
| fenn | when they swing down from the ceiling on their pirate ropes, their toenails make scratch marks on the walls | 14:10 |
| gene | there was a note saying: "DO NOT BUILD A REPRAP, DO NOT LET SKYNET BECOME SENTIENT" | 14:11 |
| gene | JK | 14:11 |
| kanzure3_ | fenn: wouldn't that be the wrong parabolic arc that would be made? | 14:11 |
| gene | the printer is broken though | 14:11 |
| kanzure3_ | hm, I guess not | 14:11 |
| gene | broke when printing the xcarriage too | 14:11 |
| fenn | guess you'll just have to make it with materials on hand | 14:12 |
| gene | the biggest part | 14:12 |
| kanzure3_ | I had a lot of fun just pushing around the mechmate :p | 14:12 |
| gene | or wait for the printer to get repaired | 14:12 |
| gene | hmmm... I guess you could use a giant fancily carved victorian style sign on your door | 14:14 |
| gene | maybe even carved into your door | 14:17 |
| gene | but good luck sneaking out your door | 14:18 |
| * fenn mumbles something about Hektor with a dremel attached | 14:21 | |
| kanzure3_ | yes, so we were talking about hektor the other day with Dave | 14:22 |
| kanzure3_ | "so how would you figure out where it is" asked gene | 14:22 |
| kanzure3_ | "well, you'd know the starting position" | 14:22 |
| kanzure3_ | "how?" asked gene. | 14:22 |
| kanzure3_ | or, rather, he said | 14:22 |
| kanzure3_ | uh | 14:22 |
| kanzure3_ | something? and then the response was "or you can just take a picture" and that was the end of that | 14:22 |
| kanzure3_ | gee, without that line this sounds kind of stupid | 14:22 |
| kanzure3_ | but it's funny. | 14:22 |
| kanzure3_ | so, *insert some ridiculously complicated method in place of my inability to remember the actual line | 14:23 |
| fenn | parallel matrix deconvolution | 14:23 |
| gene | noncartesian positioning systems can be a bitch sometimes | 14:23 |
| gene | but not this one | 14:24 |
| gene | it doesn't rotate | 14:24 |
| fenn | we need someone who's proficient in ideonomy | 14:24 |
| gene | it's just acouple easy to calculate vectors | 14:24 |
| kanzure3_ | the ideonomy guy quit. I'm sure the job was killing him. | 14:25 |
| fenn | gene: what's the formula for hektor? | 14:25 |
| kanzure3_ | isn't this just trigonometry though? | 14:25 |
| kanzure3_ | the amount of string to release for each side is just a matter of the angle and current position in terms of vectors and such | 14:26 |
| gene | extracting math data files | 14:26 |
| fenn | you have 2 lengths and from that somehow you end up with x/y coordinates | 14:26 |
| kanzure3_ | I mean, that's not clearly stated, but those are the components that you have to consider | 14:26 |
| kanzure3_ | right. | 14:26 |
| gene | 3 fenn | 14:26 |
| kanzure3_ | hektor did 2, | 14:26 |
| fenn | but it's the "somehow from that" which was never clearly explained | 14:26 |
| kanzure3_ | but dave suggested 3 | 14:26 |
| fenn | yeah i think 6 is best | 14:26 |
| fenn | fsvo "best" | 14:27 |
| kanzure3_ | ok ok screw this shit | 14:27 |
| kanzure3_ | let's just do a library that scales up for extra dimensions of movability | 14:27 |
| kanzure3_ | so, with just one string hanging down from the side of the building, you should be able to do a line (minus wind) | 14:27 |
| fenn | but we dont have extra dimensions of movability | 14:27 |
| kanzure3_ | and then if you have two, then you should be able to model that as well | 14:27 |
| kanzure3_ | huh? | 14:27 |
| kanzure3_ | well, I was figuring you'd just let people add as many as they want for the situation | 14:27 |
| fenn | there's only 6 degrees of freedom | 14:27 |
| gene | heh | 14:27 |
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| kanzure3_ | oh | 14:27 |
| kanzure3_ | so model the max, 6, and then just disable parts | 14:28 |
| kanzure3_ | *just disable some of them | 14:28 |
| fenn | i dont know how to do that | 14:28 |
| gene | with one string hanging down from a building you could have jets that move the marker carriage around | 14:28 |
| fenn | or gyroscopes! | 14:28 |
| kanzure3_ | really? I'll spend a few moments on a piece of paper in a bit, this shouldn't be that hard | 14:28 |
| kanzure3_ | this is trivial .. or at least it should be | 14:28 |
| fenn | http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/motion_kinematics.html#r1_3 | 14:29 |
| kanzure3_ | so one thing that people do with this is graffiti | 14:29 |
| kanzure3_ | and I was just thinking it would be neat to construct one-time use 2-axis cnc machines for machining the sides of buildings | 14:29 |
| gene | or get rid of the string entirely and have a helicopter graffiti a building then fly away to some well hidden unmarked van that drives away | 14:29 |
| gene | hahahaha | 14:29 |
| gene | disposable CNC machines? | 14:30 |
| kanzure3_ | well, for sufficiently large buildings, the effect would far outweigh the price of deploying the cnc machine | 14:30 |
| fenn | you'd need at least 5 cables to properly restrain it, so might as well go with 6 | 14:30 |
| kanzure3_ | not necessarily disposable, but at least "meh, we don't care if we lose it" | 14:30 |
| kanzure3_ | maybe machine your likeness into the side of the building, for instance | 14:30 |
| kanzure3_ | Mt. Bishop | 14:30 |
| fenn | i was thinking you set up a giant octahedral truss with a suspended platform and then squirt out the building materials like a giant reprap | 14:31 |
| gene | "mam, my car appears to have broken down" | 14:31 |
| kanzure3_ | fenn: are you talking about a giant reprap on the side of a building? | 14:31 |
| kanzure3_ | what about the drip factor? | 14:31 |
| kanzure3_ | ("why build on the ground when you can build off the wall") | 14:32 |
| gene | "part #," "306A", machine in the background hastily machine part 306A | 14:32 |
| kanzure3_ | hm? | 14:32 |
| gene | drip factor enhances some graffiti | 14:33 |
| fenn | no i mean squirting out the whole building structure | 14:33 |
| fenn | drippy graffiti is just lame | 14:33 |
| kanzure3_ | material cost, fenn? | 14:33 |
| fenn | possibly less than pouring big slabs of concrete | 14:33 |
| kanzure3_ | if you put a reprap on the side of a building, with the nozzle horizontal, I'm pretty sure the plastic would just drip to the ground instead of making anything on the side of the building | 14:33 |
| gene | speaking of kreative krime kanzure, you know klok knot? | 14:33 |
| kanzure3_ | no? | 14:33 |
| fenn | there was some site where they wanted to use various geometries of gypsum for different material properties, i cant remember the name of the site now tho | 14:34 |
| fenn | guy was real into termite mounds | 14:34 |
| gene | that big piece waste of orange painted steel | 14:34 |
| kanzure3_ | red | 14:34 |
| gene | it's orange | 14:34 |
| fenn | red-orange | 14:34 |
| kanzure3_ | out in front of ETC? | 14:34 |
| gene | yup | 14:34 |
| kanzure3_ | red. | 14:34 |
| fenn | http://www.me.utexas.edu/news/2008/0908di_suvero_sculpture.php | 14:34 |
| fenn | looks red-orange to me | 14:35 |
| gene | in the picture | 14:35 |
| fenn | does it fling pumpkins? | 14:35 |
| kanzure3_ | it does nothing :( | 14:35 |
| gene | ok well they forgot to put in a placard saying what it is.... | 14:35 |
| gene | it stays in static equilibrium | 14:36 |
| fenn | even a turd does more than that | 14:36 |
| kanzure3_ | "Top: Mark di Suvero greets a well-wisher. | 14:36 |
| kanzure3_ | Bottom: Crowd studies sculpture's base." | 14:36 |
| kanzure3_ | not shown: crowd wonders why the fuck they spent a million on this | 14:37 |
| fenn | i ought to go ride my bike or something | 14:37 |
| gene | it also attains thermodynamic equilibrium or trys to at least | 14:37 |
| gene | there is no placard saying what it is | 14:37 |
| gene | "here lies a bunch of steel welded into a quasi-random random configuration performing absolutely no function" | 14:39 |
| fenn | god all of his stuff looks exactly like that | 14:39 |
| fenn | how do these people do it? | 14:40 |
| fenn | so, you going to give it poodle puffs or what? | 14:40 |
| gene | or this marks the fateful date in 1935, when man finally learned he was not alone in the universe, and a martian visitation ship landed on this very spot | 14:41 |
| gene | good idea fenn | 14:41 |
| gene | hmmm... | 14:41 |
| gene | I have some incredibly strong magnets | 14:41 |
| gene | I wonder if I could scale that thing | 14:41 |
| fenn | think you could access the roof of three nearby buildings? :) | 14:41 |
| gene | no | 14:42 |
| fenn | hmm.. potato cannon? | 14:42 |
| gene | maybe, why? | 14:42 |
| fenn | (magnet)---rope---(giant puffball) | 14:42 |
| fenn | aim high | 14:42 |
| fenn | hmm i guess you'd need to deploy the puffball after it attached | 14:43 |
| gene | well one of my friends builds extremely elaborate custom nerf guns, just the other day, we ponder nerf darts with LEDs and magnets | 14:43 |
| gene | there is also a road that goes by that building | 14:43 |
| fenn | man that thing would be so much cooler if it were a trebuchet | 14:44 |
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| gene | it would | 15:05 |
| gene | but I don't think they will let us reconfigure it for such purposes | 15:06 |
| gene | it's surrounded on all sides by buildings and road | 15:06 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.infocastinc.com/downloads_pdf/algae09_brochure.pdf | 15:13 |
| kanzure3_ | ilevine@usm.maine.edu hm.. | 15:17 |
| kanzure3_ | phytoremediation technology development | 15:17 |
| kanzure3_ | http://usm.maine.edu/lac/directory/profiles/levine.html | 15:19 |
| kanzure3_ | real name is Ira.. hah. | 15:22 |
| kanzure3_ | http://research.usm.maine.edu/researchers/profiles/display.asp?id=10&dept=SCI | 15:25 |
| kanzure3_ | this guy has no published research in harvesting, why is he speaking about harvesting? | 15:25 |
| kanzure3_ | http://scienceblogs.com/neurophilosophy/2009/02/synaesthesia_the_neurological_condition_in.php genetics of syneaesthesia | 15:29 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bil-conference | 15:39 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.synbio.org.uk/component/weblinks/68/298.html | 15:47 |
| kanzure3_ | erm | 15:47 |
| kanzure3_ | 15:47 | |
| kanzure3_ | http://openwetware.org/wiki/Citizen_Science/Open_Spectrophotometer_Project | 15:47 |
| kanzure3_ | http://openwetware.org/wiki/Citizen_Science/The_Urinomics_Project uronomics: open source piss | 15:48 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?swf=http%3A//s.ytimg.com/yt/swf/cps-vfl76849.swf&video_id=_FozZluRvrc&rel=1&eurl=http%3A//openwetware.org/wiki/Citizen_Science/Open_Spectrophotometer_Project/Application&iurl=http%3A//i4.ytimg.com/vi/_FozZluRvrc/hqdefault.jpg&sk=xh8zRZCDeFj01_Jr4YnstDkaTL0gVbnFC&use_get_video_info=1&load_modules=1&cr=US spectrophotometer prototype on youtube | 15:49 |
| gene | kanzure | 16:08 |
| gene | I learned something bad about biodiesel the other day | 16:08 |
| kanzure3_ | ? | 16:08 |
| gene | diesel very dirt | 16:08 |
| gene | creates lots of particulates | 16:08 |
| gene | IE stuff that messes up your lungs | 16:09 |
| kanzure3_ | did you think it had no output or something? | 16:09 |
| kanzure3_ | I mean, when ran through an engine | 16:09 |
| gene | well you can get rid of the particulates though | 16:09 |
| gene | for a prices | 16:09 |
| gene | oh yeah there is such a thing as free energy | 16:09 |
| kanzure3_ | only if you mean "without monetary bullshit" | 16:10 |
| gene | some wind farms out in west texas generate so much energy that they give it away for free | 16:10 |
| kanzure3_ | right, but that's different | 16:10 |
| kanzure3_ | originally, "free energy" meant "violating the laws of physics" | 16:11 |
| kanzure3_ | but I've been using it recently to mean "without that thingy that everyone else calls money" | 16:11 |
| gene | I know what free energy originally meant kanzure | 16:12 |
| gene | but really kanzure, think about it | 16:13 |
| kanzure3_ | you know what, money is like playing The Game | 16:13 |
| kanzure3_ | the one that you just lost.. | 16:13 |
| gene | you put a factory there or a big server server farm | 16:14 |
| kanzure3_ | put it where? | 16:14 |
| gene | in west texas | 16:14 |
| kanzure3_ | you're talking about the windmills? | 16:14 |
| gene | by the windturbines | 16:14 |
| gene | what game? | 16:14 |
| gene | I have a note that says that all memories of that have been erased | 16:15 |
| gene | urinomics, it's gross but it must be done | 16:17 |
| kanzure3_ | "It is possible to keep N distributed copies synchronized by trajectory | 16:23 |
| kanzure3_ | forcing which would make them one person, but it's rather pointless, other | 16:23 |
| kanzure3_ | than as a hot spare in a high availability setup (My name is Inigo Montoya. | 16:23 |
| kanzure3_ | You kill -9 my parent process. Prepare to vi)." - Eugen Leitl | 16:23 |
| gene | what is bil conference? | 16:24 |
| kanzure3_ | it's like TED except free and ran by Todd Huffman, destructive neural uploading technologist + fablab organizer | 16:24 |
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| gene | heh | 16:26 |
| gene | almost forgot, you know that supercomputer we have? | 16:27 |
| gene | it did surgery on a dog | 16:27 |
| gene | using a laser | 16:27 |
| kanzure3_ | "it did" what did it do exactly? | 16:28 |
| gene | prostatic laser excision of cancerous tissue | 16:28 |
| kanzure3_ | yes, but what did *it* do? | 16:28 |
| gene | it looked at the tisse | 16:29 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.tacc.utexas.edu/research/users/features/index.php?m_b_c=laser | 16:29 |
| gene | modeled the tissue | 16:29 |
| kanzure3_ | so, it turned a camera on and off | 16:29 |
| kanzure3_ | ah | 16:29 |
| kanzure3_ | what does that mean though? data entry? | 16:29 |
| gene | then determined how much laser each cell could get | 16:29 |
| gene | read it | 16:30 |
| kanzure3_ | "Using precise lasers, state-of-the-art thermal imaging technology, and computational methods that synthesize complex information in a fraction of a second, dynamic, data-driven laser treatments are being pursued as a minimally invasive alternative to the standard treatment of cancer." | 16:30 |
| kanzure3_ | so it was just Pennes' 1948 bioheat transfer model plus plugging in data taken from thermal imaging | 16:31 |
| kanzure3_ | I guess that's "doing surgery". but it's really just a very specicifc hack | 16:32 |
| kanzure3_ | *specific | 16:32 |
| gene | yeah | 16:36 |
| gene | overhype | 16:36 |
| gene | so where's your dna synthesis page | 16:37 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/DNA_synthesizer | 16:38 |
| kanzure | that one? | 16:38 |
| gene | ok good | 16:38 |
| gene | http://arxivblog.com/?p=1183 | 16:39 |
| gene | you saw this? | 16:39 |
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| kanzure3_ | "is there an mvc like rails, cakephp, django, etc for iphone apps?" | 18:08 |
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| gene | speaking of that | 18:17 |
| gene | there's an iphone dev club on campus | 18:17 |
| kanzure | oh? | 18:17 |
| kanzure | how do these students afford iphones again? | 18:17 |
| gene | didn't you see the posters? | 18:17 |
| gene | they're a dev group | 18:17 |
| kanzure | maybe they're just playing with the emulators. hrm. | 18:18 |
| kanzure | no, I did not | 18:18 |
| gene | you don't need a phone to dev | 18:18 |
| kanzure | SDK + emulator, yeah. | 18:18 |
| gene | I got an idea for a product | 18:18 |
| gene | a very very useless one | 18:18 |
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| gene | it's simple too | 18:49 |
| gene | I want make a very very accurate simulation of [REDACTED] | 18:52 |
| gene | you think you can run fluid dynamics on the iphone? | 18:53 |
| kanzure3_ | the question is whether or not it would complete the fluid dynamics simulations within any reasonable amount of time | 18:54 |
| kanzure3_ | but the answer is yes. | 18:54 |
| gene | don't worry in this application things move rather slowly | 18:54 |
| gene | it is a very useless iPhone app | 18:57 |
| gene | probably even boring | 18:58 |
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| gene | would you like to help kanzure? | 19:00 |
| kanzure3_ | you haven't told me what it is that you want to do yet. | 19:00 |
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| kanzure3_ | http://unptnt.com/ hm. "unptnt is down. try blog.unptnt.com" | 20:41 |
| kanzure3_ | http://unptnt.wufoo.com/forms/unptnt-alpha/ hm.. | 20:42 |
| kanzure3_ | http://s3.amazonaws.com/unptnt_files_development/uploaded_images/53/unptntdown.png | 20:44 |
| kanzure3_ | http://67-207-129-228.slicehost.net/ | 20:45 |
| kanzure3_ | http://67.207.129.228/ | 20:45 |
| kanzure3_ | http://72.32.231.8/ <- this is a tumblr page. wtf? | 20:47 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.pokylinux.org/ " | 20:53 |
| kanzure3_ | Poky is an open source platform build tool. It is a complete software development environment for the creation of Linux devices. It enables you to design, develop, build, debug, and test a complete, modern, software stack using Linux, the X Window System and GNOME Mobile based application frameworks for both x86 and ARM based platforms." | 20:53 |
| kanzure3_ | http://octopart.com/api/faq | 20:53 |
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| kanzure3_ | " | 20:56 |
| kanzure3_ | "Dave Rauchwerk, Chief Technology Officer | 20:56 |
| kanzure3_ | Dave is a founder of three45. His background is bio-mechanical engineering. He has worked with orthopedic surgeons to develop prototype surgical instrumentation for Minimally Invasive Spine Surgery and large gauge needle placement. He attended the Louisiana State University." | 20:56 |
| kanzure3_ | just keeping track of things. | 20:57 |
| kanzure3_ | http://elevenarms.com/ | 20:57 |
| kanzure3_ | http://web.archive.org/web/20070528002507/http://elevenarms.com/ | 20:57 |
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| fenn | so james newton is behind massmind.org? that's lame | 22:09 |
| fenn | oh maybe he just uses it | 22:09 |
| fenn | i dont get why anyone would contribute to a wiki that "aggressively defends against copying" | 22:10 |
| kanzure3_ | I don't know if James Newton == Jim Newton of TechShop | 22:24 |
| fenn | so todd huffman immediately started organizing bil after returning from afghanistan? | 22:28 |
| kanzure | he's been organizing it for quite a while | 22:29 |
| kanzure | also, he travels like crazy | 22:29 |
| kanzure | defense contracting pays well apparently | 22:29 |
| procto | I'll be able to apply for US citizenship in just a few days | 22:30 |
| procto | and when I get "in" | 22:30 |
| procto | I'll be able to do fun defense contractin', too | 22:30 |
| procto | :) | 22:30 |
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| * fenn adds to reading list: http://www.templetons.com/brad/robocars/ | 22:39 | |
| fenn | this sounds almost like an artificial immune system: "I read an article the other day about the FDA approving an experimental procedure for testing in humans - they pull out some T Cells, deactivate the gene that produces the protein HIV bonds to in the cell wall, breed billions of them, and inject them back into you. Presto: HIV resistant immune system." | 22:42 |
| kanzure | I need to know how to do this fablab thing.. | 22:44 |
| kanzure | it's a rather big system to wrap my head around | 22:45 |
| fenn | ask for help and delegate tasks? | 22:46 |
| fenn | get commitments from people | 22:46 |
| fenn | especially make sure les won't back out | 22:46 |
| kanzure | I've been asking around- alec, smari, sam, talli, tito, hessel, todd, amy | 22:46 |
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| kanzure | I'm pretty sure les isn't going to back out :) | 22:46 |
| kanzure | locally, treadwell seems interested in helping out, I'm sure charlie is interested, and maybe rauchwerk | 22:47 |
| fenn | i'm willing to restructure my life around if necessary | 22:47 |
| kanzure | david nunez used to be interested, but he's in boston (and it turns out he was just speaking with alec yesterday) | 22:48 |
| kanzure | right, hrm, so I need to make sure things are going to be happening | 22:48 |
| fenn | (not that i had much of anything planned anyway) | 22:48 |
| kanzure | are you still jobless? | 22:48 |
| fenn | yeah | 22:48 |
| kanzure | probability of that interview working out in your favor? | 22:48 |
| fenn | 2% | 22:48 |
| kanzure | heh | 22:48 |
| kanzure | well, if we can figure out some way to put you up as "resident gnurd" or something, that would be ideal | 22:49 |
| fenn | i wouldnt mind finding a nearby 20-something house, if such things exist in austin | 22:49 |
| kanzure | 20 means what? | 22:49 |
| fenn | bunch of kids living together sharing costs | 22:50 |
| kanzure | I need to get out of this dorm, remaining parent has been pushing me to dorm up with somebody else to split costs | 22:50 |
| fenn | dorms are stupid | 22:50 |
| kanzure | (it costs an arm and a leg, you see) | 22:50 |
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| fenn | it's like 70 degrees in austin, wtf do i need a house for | 22:52 |
| kanzure | summers. | 22:52 |
| fenn | no, see the plan is to migrate with the seasons :0 | 22:52 |
| fenn | possibly between austin/boston | 22:52 |
| kanzure | but that would be smart | 22:52 |
| fenn | yeah but unfortunately the whole rent/job thing is designed to prevent mobility | 22:53 |
| fenn | unless you're wealthy enough to have a "summer home" | 22:53 |
| kanzure | I think you should email les and try to describe your interest in gingery, bootstrapping, fablabs, and see if he thinks things can go down if you move down here and if I also commit and might be able to get one or two others of variable commitment involved as 'core team' (though not in terms of funding) | 22:54 |
| kanzure | actually, maybe rauchwerk has funding. his angel asked me how much a fablab would need, last wednesday, and I said "$50k" and just sent an email explaining that it's much much less now. | 22:55 |
| kanzure | (or, not explaining that, but rather saying how it's already there) | 22:56 |
| gene | lol I should probably change my nick | 23:04 |
| fenn | well, good night. perhaps i'll think of something to write to les | 23:12 |
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