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| kanzure | just spent the last two or three hours with dave. | 00:39 |
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| kanzure | he's as intense as I am. this shit is going down :) | 00:41 |
| fenn | woot | 00:47 |
| kanzure | so, again we were talking about things and he has been mentioning that the real focus needs to be on open source cad, and furthermore on the interface thereof | 00:47 |
| kanzure | since we both agreed that the datastructures for parametric engines aren't really all that technically complicated | 00:47 |
| fenn | they shut off the water - apparently the money i lent my ex-roomate to pay the bills didnt go to the bills.. I'm ready to do something different | 00:48 |
| kanzure | in particular he wants to get some grant money to go put in $100k 6-axis Haas shit into les' fablab | 00:48 |
| kanzure | we were also talking about "serious open source hardware projects"- let's go design a real Haas thing. but even if you had the CAD files for Haas, what are you going to do with them? | 00:48 |
| fenn | cad -> haas = non-sequitur? | 00:48 |
| kanzure | oh | 00:49 |
| kanzure | um, just jumping around abit | 00:49 |
| kanzure | sorry | 00:49 |
| fenn | labs.mfg.com = open source VMC (vertical machining center) | 00:49 |
| kanzure | it's hard for me to linearize nonlinear memories that, nevertheless, were acquired linearly | 00:49 |
| kanzure | yeah, Jorge Garrera | 00:49 |
| kanzure | we talked about him. wasn't interesting because that's not really repeatable | 00:49 |
| kanzure | note that the Haas stuff is good because the economies of scale involved there to some extent | 00:49 |
| kanzure | if you're producing ten thousand cnc machines, your automation equipment there is going to make sure each machine is specced out exact | 00:50 |
| kanzure | dave was complaining about specifity between different F/OSS cnc machines anyway | 00:50 |
| kanzure | since you don't have those seven zeroes of detail | 00:50 |
| kanzure | heh, he mentioned something about hexapods | 00:51 |
| fenn | opensourcecnc.blogspot.com i mean | 00:51 |
| kanzure | and a BFI application entry | 00:51 |
| fenn | what's not repeatable about it? | 00:51 |
| fenn | no shit | 00:51 |
| kanzure | so apparently he's ran into you before | 00:51 |
| fenn | unfortunately all the academic research that's gone into hexapods isn't of much use because they don't share their code (and wont respond to emails from "random people on the internet) | 00:53 |
| fenn | so it's actually a lot harder than it ought to be | 00:53 |
| fenn | automatic calibration etc | 00:53 |
| fenn | haas won't get near .00000001 | 00:54 |
| fenn | .00001 if you're lucky | 00:55 |
| fenn | (inches) | 00:55 |
| fenn | er, .0001 i mean | 00:55 |
| fenn | about 50 microns | 00:56 |
| fenn | er, 5 microns | 01:01 |
| kanzure | fenn: so I want to get all of us in the same room together- you, me, les and dave. | 01:01 |
| kanzure | would you be okay with that? | 01:01 |
| fenn | double ball bar gets hexapod down to about 10 microns (this is with fancy equipment and lots of complex error modeling) | 01:01 |
| fenn | yeah | 01:01 |
| kanzure | so as for your "getting your lazy ass to austin" timeframe? | 01:02 |
| fenn | i'm itching to do something but i dont want to just abandon all my crap and then flail around once i get there | 01:02 |
| kanzure | right | 01:02 |
| fenn | have les and dave met? | 01:02 |
| kanzure | I'm just about to send out an email to the four of us suggesting we get together at some time and place, or really just so that we can start working our schedules in advance for that sort of a meet | 01:02 |
| kanzure | no | 01:02 |
| kanzure | so if I was to suggest a time for us to all meet, | 01:03 |
| kanzure | if I said late february, would you be able to make that even theoretically? | 01:03 |
| fenn | yes | 01:03 |
| fenn | as of right now i dont have any bathroom so i'm not exactly in my comfort zone | 01:04 |
| kanzure | hrm, how's that working anyway? | 01:05 |
| kanzure | O.o | 01:05 |
| fenn | i'm not sure | 01:05 |
| kanzure | good luck with that' | 01:05 |
| fenn | i found that i still have lab keys to a building on campus, so theoretically i can go there | 01:05 |
| fenn | well, it's better than a truck stop at least | 01:06 |
| fenn | sigh.. | 01:06 |
| fenn | all that talk, and jorge barrera ended up with a wood router | 01:09 |
| kanzure3_ | Haas CNC price list http://www.haascnc.com/VMC_PRICE_40TAPER.asp#VMCTreePrice | 01:14 |
| kanzure3_ | Pallet changer (for multiple tombstones) and Vertical machining center http://www.haascnc.com/details_HMC_EC.asp?ID=351#HMCTreeModel | 01:15 |
| kanzure3_ | For perspective... this is the way to change tools with out a rotary tool changer I described http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3wjO0aaKLQ | 01:15 |
| kanzure3_ | uh, that was an email from dave | 01:15 |
| kanzure3_ | hah, wtf, "1 MB program memory?" | 01:17 |
| kanzure3_ | for the EC-400PP | 01:17 |
| fenn | commercial CNC/CAM gets away with a lot of dark age stuff | 01:18 |
| fenn | btw Haas is bottom of the barrel as far as industrial CNC machinery | 01:18 |
| fenn | much smarter to buy an old mori seki or something like that | 01:19 |
| kanzure | so apparently dave was once a grad student, but without a research project, | 01:19 |
| kanzure | so he was apparently able to get government funding for LSU's machine shop to get in about 1 CNC machine per every 2 students for the manufacturing class | 01:20 |
| kanzure | the grant went through and everything was set up and ready to go | 01:20 |
| kanzure | and then he quit LSU and came to austin | 01:20 |
| kanzure | I told him he was a moron and he agreed :/ | 01:20 |
| kanzure | (LSU now has their fancy new machine shop installed.) | 01:20 |
| fenn | polonator is basically an inkjet printer, right? | 01:42 |
| fenn | or am i missing something? | 01:42 |
| kanzure | I've never seen the hardware. | 01:43 |
| kanzure | ever ever ever | 01:43 |
| fenn | everything on here says "overkill" to me http://www.polonator.org/instrument/ | 01:43 |
| fenn | 5nm resolution, wtf are you going to do with that | 01:44 |
| fenn | i thought church was after the $1 genome | 01:44 |
| fenn | there used to be a picture on the website, unless i'm thinking of something else (open hardware DNA synthesizer?) | 01:45 |
| fenn | hmm must have been something else, looked different from this (the polonator): http://genomeboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/img_4044.JPG | 01:50 |
| kanzure3_ | http://bioinformatics.org/pogo/ | 01:51 |
| fenn | yeah that's what i was remembering | 01:51 |
| fenn | po* | 01:52 |
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| * kanzure makes a graph of fenn's nonaccess to a bathroom and his emailing rate. hrm. | 05:39 | |
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| fenn | heh | 05:52 |
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| kanzure | fenn: | 10:26 |
| kanzure | my mom has a 12 foot trailer | 10:26 |
| kanzure | if I can craft some elaborate excuse for a road trip over a weekend, .. | 10:27 |
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| bkero | kanzure: You're headed up to Oregon, right? 8) | 11:08 |
| kanzure3_ | huh? | 11:08 |
| bkero | Road trip | 11:08 |
| kanzure3_ | fenn is in indiana | 11:08 |
| bkero | Pssh, they're only a couple miles apart. | 11:09 |
| kanzure3_ | okay | 11:10 |
| kanzure | hm. pink army is being signed into being in an hour. | 11:12 |
| kanzure | and apparently I'm now doing the website | 11:12 |
| kanzure | O.o | 11:12 |
| bkero | O_o | 11:13 |
| bkero | Are you a pink surgeon? | 11:13 |
| kanzure | http://pinkarmy.org/ | 11:13 |
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| fenn | if you want to drive a trailer for 3 days it would really help | 13:47 |
| kanzure-- | 3 days? | 14:18 |
| kanzure-- | does anyone remember what I used to record my screen when I did the biotech toolkit youtube thingy? | 14:19 |
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| fenn | google says 17 hr each way, but in my experience it takes 20% longer than they estimate | 14:22 |
| kanzure-- | well, if it was going to happen, I'd have to leave on a Friday around 3 pm | 14:23 |
| fenn | < kanzure> I was using recordmydesktop. | 14:24 |
| kanzure-- | hm, I figured out istanbul this time | 14:25 |
| kanzure-- | turns out you have to clicky the icon in the taskbar to make it start/stop recording | 14:25 |
| kanzure-- | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/gears/gears.html | 14:32 |
| kanzure-- | video: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/gears/gearvid.ogg (79 KB) (bad) | 14:32 |
| fenn | opengl is tricky to screencast | 14:34 |
| fenn | i assume they actually spin with the correct ratios? | 14:34 |
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| kanzure-- | you assume wrong foolish mortal! | 14:36 |
| kanzure-- | the spinning is just a rate that bounces from 0.0 to 1.0 and then back to 0 sparodically. | 14:37 |
| fenn | hmm yep looks like glxgears (motion aliased blur) | 14:38 |
| fenn | except they all appear to be spinning the same direction | 14:38 |
| fenn | if it's GPL you should put that in the source | 14:39 |
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| kanzure-- | fenn: les just offered you a bed. neat. | 15:21 |
| kanzure-- | well, not a bed, but a place to put a pallet | 15:23 |
| * kanzure-- leavez | 15:26 | |
| kanzure-- | *leaves | 15:27 |
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| kanzure3_ | the nantucket series actually sounds fun. | 16:17 |
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| fenn | haha "that way you avoid putting excess wear on your car" | 17:06 |
| kanzure3_ | wrong? | 17:06 |
| fenn | i'm mostly concerned about it how to keep it from blowing up | 17:06 |
| fenn | he didnt really answer the question though | 17:09 |
| kanzure3_ | when talking about a protein, "residues 1 through 25" refers to what precisely? | 17:17 |
| kanzure3_ | is that 1-25 of the AA sequence? | 17:18 |
| fenn | yes | 17:18 |
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| kanzure | heh, sata is going to start paying me soon | 17:41 |
| kanzure | double lifes are neat. | 17:41 |
| * kanzure twitches in exhaustion | 17:41 | |
| fenn | what do you actually do in his lab? | 17:42 |
| kanzure | charlie and I have been working on the filter forever or whatever, | 17:43 |
| kanzure | I've been working on some scripts to do GIS number crunching | 17:43 |
| kanzure | have a presentation tomorrow (and apparently les is picking me up afterwards to go talk some more) | 17:43 |
| kanzure | so, also, I've done some bioinformatics work with another one of his students who does insulin-in-algae expression | 17:45 |
| kanzure | or at least has been trying to do that | 17:45 |
| kanzure | insulin-in-spirulina | 17:45 |
| kanzure | so I was doing genome analysis for codon bias, which I'm not convinced they know what to do with yet (for vector construction) | 17:45 |
| fenn | hm. e coli isnt good enough? | 17:45 |
| kanzure | spirulina apparently clumps very easily and can be grown in these giant vats. | 17:45 |
| kanzure | giant thai spirulina farms and such | 17:45 |
| fenn | but clumping is bad for growth | 17:45 |
| kanzure | (like a seaweed) | 17:46 |
| kanzure | heh | 17:46 |
| kanzure | yes, that's true | 17:46 |
| kanzure | but I think I mainly mean that it is easy to harvest | 17:46 |
| fenn | right | 17:46 |
| kanzure | because you can just run a surface through the waterbody and extract yer goods | 17:46 |
| kanzure | or drain it easily and such | 17:46 |
| fenn | i think they use cheesecloth | 17:47 |
| kanzure | sata has an aquaculture bias, obviously | 17:47 |
| fenn | grow me some algae contact lenses | 17:47 |
| kanzure | (todo: build/design handheld lipid analysis machine for commercialization) | 17:47 |
| kanzure | some wah? | 17:47 |
| fenn | you know, for personal medical autonomy | 17:47 |
| fenn | isnt it strange nobody knows what causes nearsightedness? | 17:48 |
| kanzure | a conspiracy! | 17:48 |
| fenn | indeed | 17:48 |
| fenn | i think it might be due to light exposure as a baby during night-time | 17:49 |
| fenn | i dont know how you keep up with so many mailing lists | 17:52 |
| kanzure3_ | "How Speakers' Eye Movements Reflect Spoken Language Generation" (feb 13 talk from the "Friends of Ai" group here at UT. hrm.) | 18:06 |
| kanzure | I begin by selling my soul | 18:07 |
| kanzure | um, so pinkarmy is now real | 18:22 |
| kanzure | and I'm shooting Andrew Hessel some ideas on the website stuff | 18:22 |
| kanzure | I suggested tumblr.com as a layout example | 18:22 |
| kanzure | my brain used to be this large lookup table of "good layouts on the web", but now since I care fuck shit about that, I've lost that ability | 18:23 |
| kanzure | twitter.com, tumblr.com, .. | 18:25 |
| fenn | huh. googling "weather temperature graph" brings up paul's garden simulator | 18:46 |
| fenn | er, "temperature graph weather" apparently word order matters now | 18:47 |
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| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/projects/pinkarmy/ | 19:08 |
| kanzure | I suck. | 19:08 |
| fenn | it needs to be more ... pink | 19:15 |
| * kanzure finds another shade of pink. grumble grumble. | 19:15 | |
| fenn | looks gray to me | 19:16 |
| kanzure | it is :( | 19:16 |
| kanzure3_ | Flickr Pink [#FF0084] | 19:16 |
| kanzure3_ | http://www.modernlifeisrubbish.co.uk/article/web-2.0-colour-palette | 19:17 |
| kanzure3_ | Digg Blue [#356AA0] | 19:17 |
| fenn | would be cool if you had a background like these cells: http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/Colonies-WBC-Stem.mov | 19:19 |
| fenn | there are other movies that have close ups that are like landscapes, but mplayer gets borked for some reason after playing certain movies (get green snow crash) | 19:19 |
| fenn | maybe drew berry would be willing to make a background with those textures | 19:20 |
| fenn | but really i wouldnt try to make a webpage, i'd find some kid who wants to build his web design resume | 19:23 |
| fenn | you can always go through and rip out the web2.0nar | 19:23 |
| kanzure | the problem is finding somebody legit | 19:23 |
| fenn | like not xp_prg? | 19:24 |
| kanzure | every web guy that I know, who does web stuff for a living, instantly wants to do flash shit | 19:24 |
| kanzure | and then you end up paying him thousands of dollars for something unbelievably rude to the human condition :p | 19:24 |
| fenn | eh i wouldnt pay him thousands of dollars | 19:25 |
| fenn | come on, who wouldnt want to design "webpage for independent cancer research organization" | 19:25 |
| fenn | is that sexy? | 19:25 |
| xp_prg | I like flash | 19:28 |
| fenn | i like money | 19:29 |
| fenn | huh huh | 19:29 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/projects/pinkarmy/other/home.html | 19:37 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/projects/pinkarmy/other/index.html | 19:37 |
| fenn | try white on pink | 19:39 |
| fenn | white text | 19:39 |
| fenn | cd /pub/irc/ | 19:40 |
| fenn | oops | 19:40 |
| fenn | meh. http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/index.html | 19:44 |
| kanzure | ack, an index.html to /pub/irc/ is evil | 19:45 |
| fenn | it will be removed shortly | 19:47 |
| fenn | ok i give up, web design sucks | 19:48 |
| kanzure | yep. | 19:49 |
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| kanzure3_ | if you mounted a projector on a spinning disk on a ceiling in a circular room, would it be possible to use refresh rate to your advantage to make it look like you have a screen that spans the entire surface area of the wall that is being projected on to? | 21:11 |
| fenn | yes but they dont draw the whole screen at once so you'd get slanty distortion | 21:58 |
| kanzure3_ | raster scanning? | 21:58 |
| fenn | maybe you could tilt it sideways | 21:58 |
| fenn | "bring everything" he says, hahahaa | 21:59 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=skdb.git;a=blob_plain;f=inventory/fishtubs.yaml;hb=HEAD | 21:59 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=skdb.git;a=blob_plain;f=inventory/milk-crates.yaml;hb=HEAD | 22:00 |
| fenn | that's just the stuff that fits in containers (or almost does, in some cases) | 22:00 |
| kanzure3_ | is that maniacal laughter because you figured out how to do it, or not? | 22:00 |
| fenn | sure, i can think of a few ways to do it | 22:00 |
| kanzure3_ | also, inventory before moving is a good idea. | 22:01 |
| kanzure3_ | I wish I would have done that when my father passed away | 22:01 |
| * kanzure3_ still doesn't trust the "oh just take money out of his wallet, he doesn't mind" philosophy | 22:01 | |
| kanzure3_ | mc16: tax records, college papers | 22:02 |
| kanzure3_ | huh? | 22:02 |
| fenn | what? | 22:03 |
| kanzure3_ | odd combination? | 22:03 |
| fenn | not really, it's where all the loose papers go | 22:03 |
| kanzure3_ | ft56: chemistry | 22:04 |
| fenn | not as impressive as it sounds, unfortunately | 22:04 |
| kanzure3_ | "I have fit all of chemistry into this single container" | 22:04 |
| fenn | that's the plan | 22:04 |
| fenn | i didnt realize i had 92 fish tubs | 22:06 |
| kanzure3_ | what is a fish tub? | 22:06 |
| fenn | an air mail shipping container for fish fillets | 22:06 |
| fenn | http://www.ropakfish.com/fishing.php the 10 and 20 lb | 22:07 |
| fenn | mostly 20lb | 22:07 |
| kanzure3_ | ah | 22:07 |
| fenn | i'd really like to get more | 22:07 |
| fenn | perhaps i can just throw away some stuff | 22:08 |
| kanzure3_ | eek. pain. | 22:08 |
| fenn | yes | 22:08 |
| fenn | this is post-purge btw | 22:08 |
| fenn | the thing is, it's so easy to not purge something if it's in a nice container | 22:08 |
| kanzure3_ | when was pre-post-purge? | 22:08 |
| kanzure3_ | your recent move? | 22:09 |
| fenn | december | 22:09 |
| kanzure3_ | oh drats, I forgot to ask for the trailer earlier today | 22:10 |
| kanzure3_ | ah, she just emailed me three minutes ago, how convenient of her. | 22:12 |
| fenn | it's only 10pm right? | 22:12 |
| kanzure | old people sleep early | 22:12 |
| fenn | btw for reference, a u-haul costs about $1k + gas | 22:14 |
| kanzure | yikes | 22:15 |
| kanzure | does google maps give you an estimate on gas? | 22:15 |
| kanzure | "vs. $blah driving!" | 22:15 |
| fenn | i dont know what mileage it would get | 22:15 |
| * fenn invokes the power of the internet | 22:15 | |
| kanzure | well I was asking about gas because I'll probably have to foot the bill on gas if I drive the trailerbeast up to you | 22:16 |
| fenn | well it's 1000 miles | 22:17 |
| fenn | * 2 | 22:17 |
| kanzure3_ | "excuse me.....you don't know how to drive my car with a trailer...a bit more than hit the pedle and brake" | 22:18 |
| kanzure3_ | well, there's her answer. | 22:18 |
| kanzure | (I don't recommend dealing with her) | 22:18 |
| * fenn squints at the numbers | 22:18 | |
| kanzure | if you look real closely, the three zeroes start to become just one really really long zero, you see | 22:19 |
| fenn | why can't i rent space on a train | 22:19 |
| kanzure3_ | because national train infrastructure no longer exists? | 22:20 |
| * fenn hears trains whistling in the distance | 22:22 | |
| fenn | really, that's kinda spooky | 22:22 |
| kanzure3_ | http://sites.google.com/site/artmarcovici/unitx from eric. | 22:30 |
| kanzure3_ | "UNITX (united networks international transport exchange) is a project that intends to fundamentally change the way our economy | 22:31 |
| kanzure3_ | works today. UNITX is a system of corridors located underground in larger urban areas. In these corridors the pictured logibots | 22:31 |
| kanzure3_ | are traveling and transporting goods from house to house. The logibots are able to transport up to 4 boxes with dimensions of up to 60x60x45 cm. " | 22:31 |
| fenn | uh. looks really complicated | 22:32 |
| kanzure3_ | I can't tell if that's intentional or not | 22:32 |
| fenn | eric introduced me to the banana monorail | 22:33 |
| fenn | which IMHO would be 90 zillion times easier to make than that logibot thing | 22:33 |
| fenn | http://www.tunliweb.no/Bilder_SM/_album_svalbard/x2.JPG | 22:46 |
| fenn | although it's in norway, it's still a banana monorail :P | 22:47 |
| fenn | kinda hard to see how it attaches on these pics, but i like the hoop design: http://www.geocities.com/ferrobanana/trains.htm?200912#top | 22:48 |
| kanzure3_ | enterprise rents out cargo vans for a day or two for $170~ | 22:50 |
| kanzure3_ | http://autoobserver.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/06/chevy_express_cargo_van_180.jpg | 22:50 |
| fenn | that might work.. i wonder about the weight rating | 22:52 |
| fenn | 3700lbs | 22:53 |
| fenn | not like i have any idea how much my stuff weighs | 22:53 |
| fenn | welp the scale will arrive in the mail tomorrow so i can weigh stuff | 22:54 |
| kanzure3_ | I am not sure if enterprise lets you do one-way trips | 22:59 |
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| fenn | i could probably buy a truck, drive it, and sell it, and make a profit | 23:42 |
| kanzure3_ | how do you figure? | 23:42 |
| fenn | instead of paying $7-900 to rent a truck for three days | 23:42 |
| gene | price of UAVs<price of truck | 23:42 |
| kanzure3_ | needs to be a MAV | 23:42 |
| fenn | not sure about that gene, trucks are pretty cheap around here | 23:43 |
| gene | how much? | 23:43 |
| fenn | <$500 | 23:43 |
| gene | dang | 23:43 |
| fenn | usually they need some care | 23:43 |
| fenn | actually there is a pickup truck in my yard that has been abandoned | 23:43 |
| gene | uavs are estimated to be around $3000 | 23:43 |
| gene | fenn, buy a bunch of cordite and BLOW IT TO BITS! | 23:44 |
| fenn | woohoo!! | 23:44 |
| gene | or buy a bag of fertilizer and some dizel fool | 23:46 |
| fenn | hey this is almost a truck http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/1032642036.html | 23:48 |
| gene | looks sort of cool | 23:48 |
| gene | but it would be cooler BLOWN UP! | 23:49 |
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