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| gene | the disipating power of a a gundam is alot | 00:00 |
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| fenn | some gigawatts right? | 00:01 |
| gene | Maybe more | 00:01 |
| gene | I'll have to watch gundam | 00:01 |
| gene | how big is a space colony? | 00:02 |
| gene | miles? | 00:02 |
| fenn | Powerplant: Minovsky type ultracompact fusion reactor, output rated at 1380 kW | 00:03 |
| fenn | so.. megawatts isnt that much | 00:03 |
| gene | hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha | 00:04 |
| gene | you know what the dissipating power of a jet engine is on a 747? | 00:04 |
| fenn | depends who you ask.. island one was supposed to be 1 mile in diameter and maybe 10 miles long | 00:05 |
| gene | like 1 megawatt | 00:05 |
| gene | 1 jet engine 1 megawatt | 00:05 |
| fenn | oops 1 mile circumference? | 00:05 |
| gene | enough to power the city of galveston texas] | 00:05 |
| fenn | and island 3 is 2 miles radius and 20 miles long | 00:05 |
| gene | that's huge | 00:06 |
| fenn | it's "big enough" that's for sure | 00:06 |
| fenn | so considering a gundam has multiple fusion rockets on it, and weighs more than a jet.. the power level should probably be higher | 00:07 |
| fenn | 59.0 tons | 00:07 |
| gene | the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs was estimated to be like 10 kilometers in diameter | 00:08 |
| fenn | yeah but that's solid metal | 00:08 |
| gene | no it's rock | 00:09 |
| gene | oh shit | 00:09 |
| gene | we're arguing about anime | 00:09 |
| fenn | An empty Boeing 747 weights empty 361276.0 lbs == 180 tons hrm | 00:09 |
| fenn | anime nuffin | 00:09 |
| fenn | i'm gonna build me a gundam, just you wait | 00:09 |
| fenn | and that neogentronyx crap doesn't count | 00:09 |
| gene | but yeah you could power 4 galvestons with a plane | 00:10 |
| fenn | galveston uses 1MW? | 00:11 |
| gene | yeah | 00:12 |
| kanzure | before or after it was destroyed | 00:12 |
| fenn | heh | 00:12 |
| gene | huh | 00:13 |
| gene | It is pretty destroyed right now | 00:14 |
| gene | almost looks a bit postapocalyptic | 00:14 |
| kanzure | bad economy and a terrible storm, what do you expect? | 00:14 |
| gene | maybe if we make a self-replicating machine to eat up all that garbage... | 00:16 |
| gene | we could build the city up again for the next big storm | 00:17 |
| fenn | and make it from paper mache so nobody cares when it gets destroyed | 00:17 |
| gene | oh Kanzure got me some algae samples from my home town | 00:17 |
| gene | they're alive! | 00:18 |
| kanzure | you're welcome. | 00:18 |
| gene | ??? | 00:18 |
| kanzure | btw, when did I do this? | 00:19 |
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| gene | just after you descended into total and complete madness! | 00:25 |
| gene | I for one descended into it today | 00:25 |
| kanzure | as long as you resurface. | 00:25 |
| fenn | i parsed the sentence as "oh kanzure, I got me some algae samples" | 00:25 |
| kanzure | drop rndm wrds a o from sentences | 00:26 |
| gene | ok bye | 00:29 |
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| kanzure | http://twitter.com/oDesign | 08:29 |
| kanzure | http://www.odesigncommunity.com/ | 08:30 |
| kanzure | http://www.odesigncommunity.com/modules/wfdownloads/viewcat.php?cid=1 projects | 08:31 |
| kanzure | just seems to be lots of arduinos | 08:31 |
| kanzure | hm, all projects are in a zip file | 08:33 |
| kanzure | reprap-firmware-halfstepXY-fullstepZ-20080613 | 08:34 |
| kanzure | http://www.odesigncommunity.com/modules/wfdownloads/singlefile.php?cid=1&lid=26 | 08:34 |
| kanzure | hm, not standardized | 08:35 |
| kanzure | the zip files are just random shit | 08:35 |
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| kanzure | neat, so ted@shopbot replied. he sounds very interested in things. | 09:56 |
| nsh | what things? | 09:57 |
| kanzure | well, open manufacturing things. | 09:57 |
| kanzure | 10'x30' working areas for shopbots, wheee | 09:58 |
| kanzure | that's larger than our mechmate. | 09:58 |
| nsh | ok. let me know when something cool happens :-) | 10:03 |
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| nsh | "better to saw-saw, than to jaw-jaw." to paraphrase churchill | 10:03 |
| kanzure | stalk: Demetrio Siragusa | 10:05 |
| kanzure | http://twitter.com/dsiragusa | 10:05 |
| kanzure | seems to be related to openp2pdesign.org | 10:07 |
| kanzure | http://blog.ponoko.com/2008/11/04/new-odesign-site-geared-towards-source/#comment-11627 | 10:07 |
| kanzure | http://www.liquidware.com/ | 10:17 |
| kanzure | stalk complete :/ | 10:26 |
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| kanzure | how do I combine two graphs in openoffice? | 11:55 |
| kanzure | screw it, gnuplot is working fine | 12:17 |
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| bkero | 'charts' in openoffice are pretty gimped | 13:01 |
| bkero | It can't really compare to gnuplot or even gnumeric | 13:02 |
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| fenn | got her pretty well packed | 17:30 |
| kanzure | heh, "Unfocused Brain" posted to the robotgroup his 'cnc etch-a-sketch'. | 17:34 |
| kanzure | quite literally with physical actuators on the two knobs. | 17:35 |
| kanzure | might be fun to hook up a web cam to, and see if you can get a learning algorithm to figure out how to draw something on there involving selective pressures re: what's shown to the webcam. | 17:36 |
| kanzure | (and then consequently replace with odd knobs every once in a while, not just the 2 for an etch-a-sketch) | 17:36 |
| kanzure | fenn: do you know where to go? | 17:45 |
| fenn | yes | 17:45 |
| fenn | it's the one i thought it was on satellite view | 17:46 |
| kanzure | oh? I don't have the address, you see | 17:46 |
| fenn | 209 e ben white | 17:47 |
| fenn | so, i'm off, any last requests? | 17:48 |
| kanzure | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=209+e+ben+white,+austin+tx&jsv=145d&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.555061,52.558594&ie=UTF8&latlng=30220711,-97762088,8066102674033727763&ei=GPqZSeb4IYusNq6RsawJ&sig2=SC65Uf3EJRB6UX8glEPBSA&cd=12 | 17:48 |
| kanzure | not in particular. call me if you get lost or randomly dead please. | 17:48 |
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| fenn | hopefully the car won't blow up | 17:48 |
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| wrldpc | kanzure: Good question. | 18:02 |
| kanzure | I'm so proud. My 12 year old sister just called me up wondering how to make a laser write words on a wall :-) | 18:11 |
| * kanzure finds a link | 18:12 | |
| kanzure | hm, apparently everyone is experimenting with exposure time these days | 18:17 |
| kanzure | instead of rapid raster scanning | 18:17 |
| kanzure | http://www.instructables.com/id/Micro-LASER-Show-with-a-CD-Lens-Mechanism/ | 18:18 |
| kanzure | "so far there is a low ceiling to the complexity of the shape. | 18:26 |
| kanzure | with the current arduino code the shapes are coded as arrays of integers. | 18:26 |
| kanzure | they are displayed in sequence on an endless loop. | 18:26 |
| kanzure | you do get great random variations and throbbing of the shape for free. :)" | 18:26 |
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| gene | http://www.physorg.com/news154027505.html | 18:34 |
| gene | open source enzyme design software | 18:35 |
| gene | can't find it | 18:35 |
| gene | maybe you can | 18:35 |
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| samrose | yo kanzure your site is having trouble serving pages | 21:44 |
| samrose | heybryan.org that is | 21:45 |
| kanzure | samrose: yes, I didn't pay my bills | 21:53 |
| kanzure | sorry, I'll get it up very soon | 21:53 |
| kanzure | I just need to go log in somewhere and play with a few numbers a bit | 21:53 |
| kanzure | how bad do you need it up? | 21:53 |
| kanzure | :) | 21:53 |
| samrose | s'ok, just wanted to make sure you know | 21:53 |
| kanzure | also, why the fuck is marc fawzi back? | 21:53 |
| samrose | hahahahaha!!!! | 21:53 |
| samrose | you've been fawzied! | 21:54 |
| samrose | I should mirror your sites or something | 21:55 |
| samrose | this is pretty cool kanzure http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/588e18e5c7650299?hl=en | 21:56 |
| kanzure | :) | 22:02 |
| kanzure | I wish to stab fawzi in the face over the internet | 22:02 |
| kanzure | technically I moderate the open manufacturing list, so I could ban him | 22:02 |
| kanzure | but Paul and Nathan are also moderators | 22:03 |
| samrose | dude, that is hilarious. He used to email me about 3-4 years ago trying to rope me into some internet startup project he was working on | 22:04 |
| samrose | well, it is not hilarious | 22:04 |
| samrose | but, it is interesting that he has that affect on people | 22:04 |
| samrose | this thing is very close the the step/sequence stuff that I have been working on http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/57c91e1db7b877c8?hl=en | 22:05 |
| samrose | only, I would rather it be part of a package of tools that people can download use, and then combine media with their project releases | 22:06 |
| samrose | I like the idea of fabber media, though | 22:11 |
| samrose | A simple prototype client for playback of fabber media could be made using something like Adobe AIR, for instance | 22:12 |
| samrose | same tool could also make it possible for people to add to media packages | 22:12 |
| samrose | there are actually a few models, there is the "how to" which can usually use a step-sequence flow, then there is the book/ebook reference, which could be made up of whatever an end user wants to put into it | 22:15 |
| samrose | the model for fabber media does not even require a publishing company entity | 22:16 |
| samrose | all that it requires is that people produce and publish the media in findable ways | 22:16 |
| samrose | end users can then source and combine and download and print if they want to print | 22:16 |
| samrose | or, could be part of a package | 22:17 |
| samrose | http://exelearning.org/ is a good tool | 22:17 |
| samrose | for creating elearning/course-style or curriculum-type content | 22:18 |
| samrose | I had some people at University of Michigan basically ask me to create a way to replace MS Word, GIMP, and iPhoto as tools for creating documentation of reverse engineering, and that is where I started work on creating software for doing that | 22:21 |
| samrose | so, exe uses SCORM package system. Not that I am advocating that. But exe could also be extended to use other packaging systems, making the whole learning object exportable | 22:31 |
| kanzure | reading | 22:44 |
| kanzure | exe? like COM packages? really? | 22:44 |
| kanzure | That's kinda a bad idea methinks :p | 22:44 |
| kanzure | oh, exelearning | 22:45 |
| kanzure | did you see odesigncommunity.com earlier today? | 22:45 |
| kanzure | it was posted to openmanufacturing | 22:46 |
| kanzure | samrose: if you post in response to my email on OM re: Marc, maybe you could mention that you've had troubles in the past (4 years) with him, that may be enough to get him out of our hair here. I could have even more a legitimate reason to ban him | 22:46 |
| kanzure | anyway, have you seen some of the posts to diybio? | 22:47 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio | 22:47 |
| samrose | no, I have not. | 22:47 |
| kanzure | basically it's the same exact topics that I talk about on OM | 22:47 |
| kanzure | especially re: steps and protocols | 22:47 |
| kanzure | so, one markup example I did the other day was pcr.xml | 22:47 |
| kanzure | which is a writeup of the PCR protocol in an XML format that kind of sucks | 22:47 |
| kanzure | I would prefer to redo it in YAML | 22:47 |
| kanzure | anyway, | 22:47 |
| kanzure | fenn has recently been doing some inventory writeups | 22:48 |
| kanzure | which I think can be useful for comparing the "tools required" subsections of these packages | 22:48 |
| kanzure | (the odesign post on OM mentions liquidware which uses zip files, but there's no "tool list" of requirements for making each of the packages, blah!) | 22:48 |
| samrose | I don't think my writing about fawzi would have much effect to shut him up, I am afraid to tell you | 22:48 |
| kanzure | no, just to inform the rest of the list | 22:49 |
| kanzure | and then I might be able to discuss banning | 22:49 |
| samrose | hmmm.... | 22:49 |
| samrose | let me think about a way to do that | 22:49 |
| kanzure | yeah, be careful | 22:50 |
| samrose | I barely participate on om list | 22:50 |
| kanzure | maybe you can mention that. | 22:50 |
| samrose | so, could look like I just come swooping out of nowhere | 22:50 |
| kanzure | btw, the link above that you gave re: business models for toolbook; see my response to it. | 22:50 |
| kanzure | have I told you about the austin fablab? | 22:50 |
| samrose | yep, you told me about it | 22:51 |
| kanzure | yay | 22:51 |
| kanzure | yeah, so fenn's driving down at the moment. | 22:51 |
| samrose | we talked about it here about a week ago | 22:51 |
| kanzure | things are moving along well. | 22:51 |
| samrose | great. that is awesome that you have access to that | 22:51 |
| samrose | If I can think of a useful way to do what you ask me to do above I will | 22:52 |
| kanzure | okay | 22:53 |
| kanzure | anywho, the diybio people are very interested in working on open hardware projects, especially because those protocols (instruction sets) are already somewhat standardized throughout biology | 22:54 |
| kanzure | but the problem is that there's only one XML DTD for protocol/instruction-set representation (which kind of sucks) | 22:54 |
| kanzure | but looking over protocol-online.org is one way around that. | 22:54 |
| kanzure | I guess the quickest way to do that would be to look over my posts | 22:55 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=yXg5nREAAACnmNU9tKKhOFqHpeR7zr8WkdEasx1kiYTQavV7mdW13Q | 22:55 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?show=more&enc_user=yXg5nREAAACnmNU9tKKhOFqHpeR7zr8WkdEasx1kiYTQavV7mdW13Q&group=diybio | 22:55 |
| samrose | ok, I will look it over | 23:02 |
| samrose | thanks kanzure | 23:02 |
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| kanzure | hm, lifeboat foundation just interviewed me | 23:36 |
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| kanzure | "ABANDON SHIP" | 23:39 |
| gene | yeah, and? | 23:40 |
| gene | derisilab.ucsf.edu/core/mGuide_v3.1.pdf | 23:40 |
| gene | oops | 23:40 |
| gene | wrong link | 23:40 |
| gene | did you see the enzyme design algorithm? | 23:40 |
| gene | >http://www.physorg.com/news154027505.html | 23:40 |
| kanzure | yes, K* | 23:52 |
| kanzure | "It should, in principle, be possible to redesign any enzyme simply by inputting the protein's shape into the algorithm and telling it what you want it to do."" | 23:54 |
| kanzure | yep, that's how the origami crease pattern generators work | 23:54 |
| kanzure | http://www.cs.duke.edu/brd/papers/ | 23:55 |
| kanzure | Part Orientation with One or Two Stable Equilibria Using Programmable Force Fields | 23:56 |
| kanzure | A Distributed, Universal Device for Planar Parts Feeding: Unique Part Orientation in Programmable Force Fields | 23:56 |
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