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| kanzure | now I have big bulky buttons from heekscad added to the InteractiveViewer.py | 00:00 |
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| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/pythonocc/menu_notes.txt | 00:01 |
| kanzure | the stuff at the top (before wx.Menu()) should probably be at the bottom | 00:01 |
| kanzure | fenn: do you want a subdomain on fabfolk.com ? | 00:03 |
| fenn | eh sure why not | 00:07 |
| fenn | is it going to become active? looks like a godaddy parking page | 00:07 |
| fenn | what's this .txt crap | 00:08 |
| fenn | just post the .py file | 00:08 |
| kanzure | well, it's me playing around until I get something that works | 00:08 |
| kanzure | there is no .py file, it's me doing random shit in the interpreter | 00:08 |
| fenn | ah, that's nice isnt it | 00:09 |
| kanzure | no | 00:09 |
| fenn | you know it took me two hours to add a c++ function to heekscad | 00:09 |
| fenn | very simple cut and paste job | 00:09 |
| kanzure | was most of that time spent finding how everything works? | 00:10 |
| gene | careful with domain names | 00:12 |
| gene | they could get squated from under us | 00:12 |
| gene | if we don't be careful | 00:12 |
| kanzure | just don't run whois without whois installed | 00:12 |
| kanzure | hrm, amy asking about skdb status. "it's closer with pythonocc" is what I've told her. | 00:15 |
| * fenn sulks | 00:18 | |
| fenn | actually, since we can open STEP and IGES files, it's a lot closer to being usable with external cad programs | 00:19 |
| kanzure | I don't know about hooking everything to the OCC api, but other than that minor problem, this does make things much easier | 00:22 |
| fenn | well at least it can do stuff like generate thumbnail previews of the cad file | 00:23 |
| kanzure | oh? | 00:23 |
| fenn | no? | 00:23 |
| kanzure | who? | 00:23 |
| fenn | for the wiki package manager stuffs | 00:23 |
| kanzure | what generates the thumbnails? | 00:23 |
| fenn | some python script using pythonocc | 00:24 |
| fenn | part of django or whatever | 00:24 |
| kanzure | guess I don't know how custom thumbnails are generated anyway | 00:24 |
| fenn | its basically a screenshot, ok? | 00:24 |
| kanzure | oh, I'm sure | 00:24 |
| kanzure | sorry, wasn't thinking | 00:24 |
| kanzure | I know that icons and thumbnails in konqueror are sometimes dynamically generated | 00:24 |
| kanzure | but I've never investigated how it passes the data to what app and how it gets the thumbnail returned to display | 00:24 |
| fenn | well that would be neat, but it's kde specific | 00:25 |
| gene | interesting | 00:25 |
| kanzure | it also happens on Windows, but yes it's specific to how the file explorer works IIRC | 00:25 |
| gene | dynamically generated icons? | 00:25 |
| kanzure | yeah, Solidworks does it on Windows, gene | 00:25 |
| fenn | there's a little thumbnail of your assembly then? | 00:25 |
| kanzure | yes | 00:25 |
| kanzure | and without starting up Solidworks methinks. otherwise it would take 20+ seconds to load a folder with a single assembly :P | 00:26 |
| kanzure | so it must be cached? | 00:26 |
| fenn | of course i'd rather have a zooming ui but we're getting close at least | 00:26 |
| gene | oh not icons like for firefox | 00:26 |
| fenn | bah. i'm sure they can render some geometry without loading 99% of the crap in that application | 00:26 |
| fenn | isnt it like 2GB? | 00:27 |
| gene | It'd be cool of if I saw different icons every once in awhile | 00:27 |
| kanzure | gene: you mean .ico files for bookmarks? | 00:27 |
| fenn | yeah it's called a theme gene | 00:27 |
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| gene | ok | 00:27 |
| kanzure | hey RandIter | 00:27 |
| fenn | it's what you do when you're procrastingating your homework | 00:27 |
| kanzure | are you a random iterator? | 00:27 |
| RandIter | hey guys | 00:27 |
| RandIter | more like a random iteration | 00:27 |
| fenn | an objectivist fusion reactor? | 00:27 |
| kanzure | fenn: yes, it's about 3 GB | 00:27 |
| gene | ontology center lol | 00:28 |
| RandIter | what's the topic of discussion of this room | 00:28 |
| kanzure | RandIter: fablabs, manufacturing, engineering, how pissed off we are at the world for being shitty, | 00:29 |
| -!- fenn changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: the same thing we talk about every night.. taking over the world! | 00:29 | |
| kanzure | stuff. | 00:29 |
| gene | shit the world does suck | 00:29 |
| gene | it needs to torn down and reengineered | 00:29 |
| kanzure | please don't be so destructive. | 00:29 |
| fenn | at least give me a chance to make a better one somewhere else | 00:30 |
| * katsmeow-afk gets the WD-40 prepared for the robot overlords | 00:30 | |
| RandIter | you could try simulating it. might fail tho | 00:30 |
| kanzure | fenn: do you remember the Pinky and the Brain episode where they make a paper mache planet in orbit around the earth? | 00:30 |
| fenn | send us your unwashed masses, your nuclear waste, and lots of compost | 00:30 |
| gene | destructive? come on 5 kg of TNT is hardly destructive | 00:30 |
| fenn | and all of your libraries, plz | 00:31 |
| gene | heh | 00:31 |
| gene | I remember that one | 00:31 |
| kanzure | the most powerful force in the galaxy! | 00:31 |
| kanzure | free t-shirts. | 00:31 |
| RandIter | especially on girls with big ... | 00:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | ok, the cross slide screw should *pull* the slide into the work, right? | 00:32 |
| kanzure | brains? | 00:32 |
| fenn | pizza force goes with the square of radius | 00:32 |
| fenn | vs a linear extrapolation for girls with big tits | 00:32 |
| fenn | actually it's not even linear | 00:32 |
| gene | wow I wonder, if we could ever make self-replicating probe if we could make it automatically generate t-shirts for places | 00:32 |
| kanzure | how is that "wow" | 00:32 |
| katsmeow-afk | <cough> | 00:33 |
| fenn | katsmeow-afk: what do i do with this cat that's in heat? | 00:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | you seriously want to know? | 00:33 |
| kanzure | fenn, irc is not the best place to ask | 00:33 |
| fenn | sigh | 00:33 |
| gene | hmmmmm... this sounds like something the people in #cosmeng | 00:33 |
| fenn | i dont have any q-tips | 00:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | qtips is bad, they leave cotton behind | 00:34 |
| kanzure | http://bash.org/?search=cat+heat&sort=0&show=25 | 00:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | you you have the right idea, according to most | 00:34 |
| gene | I CANNOT UNKNOW THAT | 00:34 |
| gene | Shit | 00:34 |
| RandIter | pardom me for being a noob but what's hplus | 00:35 |
| fenn | If humans had orgasms with the intensity of a cat serviced in this way there would be no such thing as war, hunger, capitalism or God. | 00:36 |
| gene | ummm... cats are hardly ever the topic | 00:37 |
| kanzure | RandIter: hplus refers to "transhuman" | 00:37 |
| fenn | RandIter: how'd you come across this channel anyway? | 00:37 |
| gene | was it heybryan.org? | 00:37 |
| katsmeow-afk | fenn, you might NOT better turn her loose to a male cat after doing that, because she won't be expecting the male cat to hurt her, and he can't help it | 00:37 |
| fenn | she's an indoor cat anyway, there's FIV going around | 00:38 |
| * katsmeow-afk nods | 00:38 | |
| gene | I think I'm going to leave now | 00:38 |
| RandIter | fenn: i was referred to it by a member | 00:39 |
| katsmeow-afk | mine is also indoor, but she was fixed way way early,, she only thinks she is wanting some | 00:39 |
| fenn | a member? | 00:39 |
| kanzure | we have members? | 00:39 |
| gene | heh | 00:39 |
| gene | heh | 00:39 |
| fenn | not only am I a member, I'm the president! | 00:39 |
| kanzure | huh | 00:39 |
| kanzure | did we elect you? | 00:39 |
| gene | hahahaha, we're anarchists | 00:39 |
| RandIter | sorry. it's late and I'm tired. a user instead | 00:39 |
| kanzure | since when? | 00:39 |
| gene | we have no government | 00:40 |
| fenn | "user" doesnt convey much more information | 00:40 |
| kanzure | this is all rather sudden. | 00:40 |
| kanzure | we went from fenn's tyranny to gene-anarchy to I don't know what all in under 20 seconds | 00:40 |
| kanzure | impressive. | 00:40 |
| fenn | all IRC is defacto anarchy until someone imposes services | 00:40 |
| gene | so randiter did you hear about it from a website? | 00:40 |
| fenn | also, i absconded with the treasury before the uprising | 00:40 |
| gene | or a friend IRL? | 00:40 |
| RandIter | gene: nope, no website. just irc | 00:40 |
| gene | well then no idea | 00:41 |
| * fenn looks around at the stony poker faces lurking | 00:41 | |
| kanzure | fenn: joke's on you, it was a net deficiet. | 00:41 |
| gene | so what's eccentrcity? | 00:41 |
| gene | WRT to geometry | 00:41 |
| fenn | a circle off center of rotation | 00:41 |
| kanzure | in terms of ellipses, it's something like the sqrt of a/b, where a is the value under the first polynomial term, and b is the other for the other | 00:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | ya know, i missed the whole transhumanist thread of this room before | 00:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | only heard of it tonite | 00:42 |
| kanzure | it's because I'm a yak shaver | 00:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | umm, o | 00:42 |
| fenn | we rarely if ever actually talk about it, because 1) there are so many different things to do and 2) talking about transhumanism is lame | 00:42 |
| kanzure | and through #1 you get on thinking about stuff to do and then you get to where we're at now | 00:43 |
| fenn | there's plenty of "wow it would be cool if we had wings" mailing lists | 00:43 |
| kanzure | which more or less involves different technologies and blah blah blah | 00:43 |
| kanzure | (that was poorly stated. just assume I said something brilliant there.) | 00:43 |
| fenn | more or less involves fixing the broken world we happen to be in | 00:44 |
| gene | could it mean the displacement of a gear that goes in a circle? | 00:44 |
| fenn | at least enough to gain some acceleration potential | 00:44 |
| katsmeow-afk | i think the masses will refuse to allow the world to be fixed | 00:44 |
| fenn | gene: diagram please | 00:44 |
| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: who cares? | 00:44 |
| gene | ok | 00:44 |
| gene | coming right up | 00:44 |
| fenn | katsmeow-afk: i dont care about that.. i mean fixing what is possible for an unenhanced human to do | 00:44 |
| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: I have some old stuff on my site | 00:45 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/recursion.html | 00:45 |
| gene | please wait while I find the book mark | 00:45 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/fractal.html | 00:45 |
| gene | this might take awhile | 00:45 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/transhumanism_def.html | 00:45 |
| fenn | like right now i have to pay some company money just to develop some electronics | 00:45 |
| fenn | because it's not possible for an individual to do chip fabbing | 00:45 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/buildingbrains.html | 00:45 |
| fenn | and all the regulatory hurdles and barriers that go along with this | 00:45 |
| kanzure | fenn: well, it is, you just don't know how or don't have the tools immediately available | 00:45 |
| gene | http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19670018173_1967018173.pdf | 00:45 |
| fenn | right | 00:45 |
| fenn | you could say that about anything though | 00:46 |
| fenn | what page? | 00:46 |
| fenn | ok the ring gear has one more tooth than the pinion | 00:47 |
| fenn | if they were concentric the teeth wouldn't mesh | 00:47 |
| fenn | so you have to move one or the other off center (eccentric) | 00:47 |
| fenn | in this case they put the pinion off center | 00:47 |
| fenn | aren't you in mechanical engineering? | 00:48 |
| kanzure | fenn: they don't teach us much. | 00:48 |
| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: one of the things that matters in true transhuman tech issues is the toolchain length from "programmer" and "that which is programmed"- and in the case of transhumanism, that's supposed to be the self | 00:49 |
| kanzure | just trying to word it more elegantly. | 00:49 |
| fenn | eh this diagram is confusing because there's three nested ring/pinion gears | 00:49 |
| fenn | that's a nice way to put it | 00:50 |
| * katsmeow-afk nods | 00:51 | |
| * katsmeow-afk nods | 00:51 | |
| katsmeow-afk | erg | 00:51 |
| kanzure | thus why I was originally thinking about "recursion path length minimization"- how many steps does it take until you "find yourself back at yourself" ? | 00:51 |
| kanzure | there is some recursion-path that can take the programmer from lengthy recursions to those recursions that end up "back where they started" (the programmer) even more quickly, minimizing the length of such a recursion, while maximizing the covered 'surface area' and 'volume' of personal possibility space | 00:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | so it isn't about the real world? | 00:52 |
| kanzure | excuse me? | 00:52 |
| katsmeow-afk | well, if it's about the programmer, not changing the world, then it's not about the world? | 00:52 |
| kanzure | am I not a part of the world? | 00:52 |
| katsmeow-afk | ok | 00:52 |
| kanzure | some buddhists talk about the world and the self being the same thing | 00:53 |
| kanzure | but I'm not about to get into a discussion about that | 00:53 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/edeism.html | 00:53 |
| fenn | "m I helping at all, or did I just cross over into some weird world of animal porn that I never even knew existed?" | 00:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | i guess i have hit abrick wall then, because i cannot get accustomed to breathing burning garbage 24-7 day after day after day,, i need to reprogram others,, or leave | 00:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | and i am working on leaving, physically, because they like it like this | 00:54 |
| kanzure | fenn: who said that? | 00:54 |
| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: sounds good to me. | 00:54 |
| fenn | someone on the internets | 00:54 |
| kanzure | fenn: was funny. | 00:54 |
| kanzure | fenn: since it implies he knew about animal porn in the first place | 00:54 |
| kanzure | hehe | 00:54 |
| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: and if you get bored, http://heybryan.org/quotes.html has related inspirational quotes related to transhumanism, sort of | 00:55 |
| fenn | pigfucker :P | 00:55 |
| katsmeow-afk | nah not bored, tween working on the generator and lathe till,, it's 1am now, i am not bored | 00:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | i've read transhumanist webpages before, i'll read your's tomorrow | 00:57 |
| kanzure | most transhumanist webpages are bullshit | 00:57 |
| kanzure | in fact, mine might be bullshit as well | 00:58 |
| kanzure | the jury's still out on that. | 00:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | i'd agree most are fantasy | 00:58 |
| kanzure | inventory: polystyrene drinking straws, average size metal paperclip, at least 10 counts of human hair, a sharpie, and 50 CDs. please make me a singularity from this. kthnxbai. | 01:01 |
| kanzure | gene: I've been meaning to ask you, | 01:02 |
| kanzure | gene: if you could think up a way to make use of human hair to draw microchannels, except reinforcing the hair to make it stronger so that it can push sharpie ink around. | 01:03 |
| gene | that's fucking it kanzure | 01:03 |
| gene | YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG | 01:03 |
| kanzure | not for rapid one-off prototyping | 01:04 |
| kanzure | which isn't repeatable | 01:04 |
| kanzure | nevermind. it'd be useless. | 01:04 |
| RandIter | if one can afford it, does it make sense to pay to get your head frozen upon your death | 01:04 |
| kanzure | insurance covers that with Alcor these days, btw | 01:05 |
| gene | no | 01:05 |
| kanzure | and if you're a student, even better | 01:05 |
| gene | not even for that | 01:05 |
| kanzure | I wouldn't suggest drinking the kool-aide, but certainly check it out and ask a few of the cryonics activists | 01:05 |
| gene | kanzure | 01:06 |
| gene | there's a much better way to do it | 01:06 |
| gene | let me dig up instuctions for making stamps | 01:06 |
| kanzure | can you make stamps without having stamps? | 01:06 |
| gene | yeah | 01:06 |
| fenn | if you have an electron beam etcher | 01:06 |
| gene | oh wait | 01:06 |
| kanzure | wtf gene :( | 01:07 |
| kanzure | I don't have an e-beam machine under my bed at the moment | 01:07 |
| gene | you make the stamps with sharpies and FC | 01:07 |
| kanzure | FC? | 01:07 |
| gene | ferric chloride | 01:07 |
| kanzure | ferri- | 01:07 |
| katsmeow-afk | RandIter, makes as much sense and being buried in a $3000 box | 01:07 |
| kanzure | ah | 01:07 |
| gene | FeCl | 01:07 |
| RandIter | katsmeow-afk: the hope is that one's brain can be scanned and simulated in hardware in the future | 01:07 |
| kanzure | or reinstalled into a body. | 01:08 |
| kanzure | or a thousand other procedures. | 01:08 |
| kanzure | they actually have checkboxes on their forms | 01:08 |
| RandIter | kanzure: reinstalling it into a human body seems much less likely to me, realistically | 01:08 |
| kanzure | for "[X] reinstantiate me with a human body" | 01:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas, good luck with that | 01:08 |
| kanzure | or "[X] please don't resusitate me if ______" | 01:08 |
| gene | http://www.tsukineko.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=25 | 01:08 |
| gene | this | 01:08 |
| gene | is better | 01:09 |
| fenn | "[ ] reinstantiate me with a ______ body" | 01:09 |
| RandIter | please don't reinstate me if a texan is president. no offense. | 01:09 |
| kanzure | RandIter: I was thinking of something racist that a famous cryonaught would say | 01:09 |
| kanzure | "don't reinstantiate me if a negro becomes president" - Mr. Walt Disney | 01:09 |
| kanzure | or something | 01:09 |
| kanzure | Michael Isner? | 01:09 |
| fenn | did he actually say that? | 01:10 |
| kanzure | no, but Walt Disney was supposedly racist | 01:10 |
| kanzure | "A long-standing urban legend maintains that Disney was cryonically frozen, and his frozen corpse was stored underneath the Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disneyland.[73] However, this was discredited due to the fact that Disney was cremated, and the first known instance of Cryonic Freezing of a corpse (of Dr. James Bedford) occurred a month later in January.[73]" | 01:11 |
| kanzure | ah crap | 01:11 |
| kanzure | nevermind | 01:11 |
| fenn | how many people have actually been frozen? | 01:11 |
| kanzure | many thousands, I hear. have you seen the Alcor tours? | 01:11 |
| fenn | no | 01:11 |
| kanzure | I actually have a DVD laying around here of the Alcor tour | 01:11 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcor_Life_Extension_Foundation | 01:12 |
| kanzure | " | 01:12 |
| kanzure | As of January 31, 2009, Alcor had 876 members, and 84 patients in cryopreservation, many as neuropatients.[3]" | 01:12 |
| kanzure | well, shit. | 01:12 |
| kanzure | I guess that's not a total though | 01:12 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuropreservation | 01:12 |
| kanzure | "independently proposed yet again in 1974 by Mike Darwin, and Fred and Linda Chamberlain. The Chamberlains were the founders of the Alcor Life Extension Foundation." | 01:13 |
| kanzure | " In 1976 Fred’s father became the first of many neuropreservation patients at Alcor[4]." | 01:13 |
| kanzure | now that's a fairy tale. | 01:13 |
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| * kanzure wonders why his dad had to go off and die without cryo. | 01:13 | |
| RandIter | for persons who've had only their brains preserved, it would be interesting/controversial if in the future, alcor decides to scan them and discard the physical brain. | 01:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | i'd like to know what this "scan" is | 01:13 |
| kanzure | there's stuff in their contract about that apparently | 01:13 |
| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: slice scanning. | 01:13 |
| kanzure | slice-and-scan. | 01:13 |
| kanzure | but it's unknown whether or not that would capture relevant information | 01:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | you cannot get the person back from a sliced up brain | 01:14 |
| kanzure | what's a person? | 01:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | the functioning sentiane sapient organism | 01:14 |
| kanzure | what the fuck? | 01:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | sentient | 01:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | damn, i am almost asleep | 01:14 |
| kanzure | is my cat sentient? | 01:14 |
| RandIter | katsmeow-afk: yeah basically capturing info of a person's brain in enough detail to possibly allow simulating the person in another body | 01:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | i do not know your cat | 01:15 |
| kanzure | RandIter: the same question applies to you- wtf is a person? | 01:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | RandIter, a physical slicing won't tell you the electrochemical state | 01:15 |
| kanzure | there have been many discussions about this on the "let's all get wings" forums | 01:16 |
| RandIter | an I/O device, usually intelligent | 01:16 |
| kanzure | and in particular people ask about whether or not they would be the "same self" if one moment from now your atoms are replaced with identical atoms | 01:16 |
| kanzure | or if your electrochemical states are changed slightly | 01:16 |
| kanzure | and people have to give up because they suck at thinking about these things | 01:16 |
| kanzure | "self" is a rather sketchy topic | 01:16 |
| RandIter | atoms and quantum states should do it, i think | 01:16 |
| kanzure | should do what ? | 01:17 |
| kanzure | see what I mean? | 01:17 |
| RandIter | provide enough info | 01:17 |
| RandIter | that's basically all the info that's there | 01:17 |
| kanzure | what's enough though? | 01:17 |
| RandIter | i don't know, but I'm sure it can be determined experimentally | 01:17 |
| kanzure | thinking of it in terms of "selfhood" is probably not the right way to go about it | 01:17 |
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| kanzure | it's the easiest way to explain it to people I guess | 01:17 |
| * katsmeow-afk tosses Schrodingers cat into the scan | 01:17 | |
| kanzure | but for instance, are you your own father? | 01:17 |
| RandIter | I'm lost | 01:18 |
| kanzure | blah, nevermind | 01:18 |
| kanzure | I'll rant about this later | 01:18 |
| kanzure | probably on a big page on my site, and nobody will ever read it, but that's ok | 01:19 |
| RandIter | as long as you've a small summary on top | 01:19 |
| fenn | kanzure: make sure to go through and delete any whitespace before publishing | 01:20 |
| RandIter | lol | 01:20 |
| kanzure | really? | 01:20 |
| kanzure | typelikethis? | 01:21 |
| fenn | no, just paragraph breaks and so on | 01:21 |
| kanzure | ok. will do. | 01:21 |
| RandIter | fenn: I'm assuming you're being sarcastic, kinda? | 01:22 |
| kanzure | if you look at my pages on my site, I tend to ramble on for many pages without a paragraph break :( | 01:22 |
| gene | are we are who are all the time? | 01:24 |
| kanzure | who? | 01:26 |
| gene | or do some events modify us to make us different people | 01:26 |
| kanzure | what's the comparison between people? | 01:26 |
| kanzure | this sounds like philosophy | 01:26 |
| gene | I await the day we are able to answer these questions | 01:26 |
| kanzure | sounds like bullshit to me | 01:26 |
| gene | ok | 01:27 |
| kanzure | :) | 01:27 |
| gene | kanzure, you know what we should do? | 01:27 |
| RandIter | we're obviously changing and are not the same all the time, except my father maybe who seems steady and set in his ways | 01:27 |
| gene | we should barge into a philosophy classroom with lab coats, glasses, and a flask full of green food dye water and yell THIS IS BULLSHIT | 01:28 |
| katsmeow-afk | then drink it? | 01:28 |
| kanzure | gene: well, depends on which type of philosophy class | 01:29 |
| kanzure | some philosophers have their head on straight, but it's hard for them to communicate with others | 01:29 |
| gene | maybe... | 01:29 |
| kanzure | I mean, how does somebody that doesn't know about "self" talk to people who only want to talk about "self"? | 01:29 |
| kanzure | that's a very hard thing to do | 01:29 |
| gene | well I don't think we can truly call bullshit on them just yet | 01:29 |
| RandIter | is the topic of 'self' really all that difficult? | 01:30 |
| kanzure | yes | 01:30 |
| gene | need some actual published papers first | 01:30 |
| fenn | you could call your disaster troupe "mystery science theatre 3000" | 01:30 |
| kanzure | my dad listened to that | 01:30 |
| RandIter | i don't know if it is, kanzure | 01:30 |
| kanzure | RandIter: well, nobody has been able to define it | 01:30 |
| kanzure | it's just as much BS as "consciousness" AFAIK | 01:30 |
| * kanzure updates recursion.html at the bottom with tonight's line. | 01:31 | |
| gene | screw this, let's make a fluidic neural network | 01:32 |
| kanzure | why a neural network? | 01:33 |
| kanzure | do you mean an ANN, a perceptron, or something like that? | 01:33 |
| kanzure | or a Hodgkin-Huxley approximation ? | 01:33 |
| gene | because it's a neural network | 01:33 |
| gene | that's why | 01:33 |
| RandIter | or maybe a neural network in a dish | 01:33 |
| kanzure | RandIter: http://heybryan.org/2008-08-15.html for notes on that. | 01:34 |
| fenn | gene: just call it 'fluidic network' might reduce confusion | 01:34 |
| gene | ok | 01:34 |
| gene | then how about a missile with a fluidics based guidance system? | 01:34 |
| gene | *warhead not included | 01:35 |
| katsmeow-afk | won't the accel drain the fluid to the bottom? | 01:36 |
| fenn | eh like fins? | 01:37 |
| gene | hahahhahahahahahahah | 01:37 |
| gene | no | 01:37 |
| fenn | i just dont see how a missile helps me | 01:38 |
| fenn | unless it's boosting to orbit perhaps | 01:38 |
| gene | one of the driving forces behind fluidics was aerospace applications, high heat, high acceleration | 01:38 |
| fenn | EMP resistance | 01:38 |
| gene | fenn, I want to make a water rocket that can go sideways | 01:38 |
| gene | yup and radiation resistance | 01:39 |
| gene | damn | 01:39 |
| fenn | i want to make a cat that can eat upside down | 01:39 |
| fenn | fluidic gastronomical network | 01:39 |
| gene | I need to scan these pictures of fluidics circuits glowing white hot | 01:39 |
| fenn | with molten uranium for blood? | 01:39 |
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| gene | it can be done | 01:40 |
| gene | you could use mint julip if you wanted to | 01:40 |
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| kanzure | ok, so you have water in a missile making logic operations. now what. | 01:41 |
| kanzure | hah, logic operations with blood vessels. must put that one on my todo list. | 01:42 |
| * fenn is thinking of this http://www.montesol.org/Games/Eldar/Avatar.jpg | 01:42 | |
| gene | about that | 01:42 |
| * katsmeow-afk was thnking about MA347612890GT4078579132R74 malumalu Z17924398TZR two thousand modular guidance type 452963752391MQTO gold launch system GLS installed self deciding type double 0 three seven 293165734285YGNKTIO1200YMCA4126PPPKG53 Normad | 01:43 | |
| gene | fluidics like clean fluids | 01:43 |
| fenn | did tiggr tell you to say that? | 01:43 |
| gene | no | 01:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | heh | 01:44 |
| gene | a study on contamination and it's effects on fluidic circuits said that | 01:44 |
| gene | also good system design is important stuff | 01:44 |
| kanzure | I'm glad you finally agree | 01:44 |
| kanzure | http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=RegisterHideableWindow&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 | 01:46 |
| kanzure | hm, that only shows up in heekscad | 01:47 |
| gene | now I wonder | 01:48 |
| gene | if these fluidics things are considered states secrets | 01:48 |
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| gene | I think I should make an amplifer before I make a missile | 01:50 |
| fenn | yup | 01:50 |
| gene | heh amish amplifer | 01:50 |
| fenn | then make a tunable oscillator | 01:51 |
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| katsmeow-afk | hydraulic speakers | 01:51 |
| gene | a HYDRAULIC GUITAR! | 01:51 |
| fenn | do it to it | 01:52 |
| fenn | a hydraulic cello would be cooler though | 01:53 |
| gene | well I don't have a guitar | 01:53 |
| gene | but my roommate does... | 01:53 |
| fenn | you dont have a cello either | 01:53 |
| gene | ok | 01:54 |
| gene | a cello would be cooler and more steampunk | 01:54 |
| fenn | http://austin.craigslist.org/msg/1075400059.html | 01:55 |
| fenn | not sure what "smells like a New Orleans music store" is supposed to mean | 01:55 |
| gene | http://www.geekologie.com/2008/07/09/steampunk-guitar.jpg | 01:56 |
| fenn | bah | 01:56 |
| gene | so that's what the pressure gauge is for | 01:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | ow | 01:56 |
| fenn | people are missing the point on all this steampunk stuff | 01:56 |
| fenn | no pun intended | 01:57 |
| kanzure | wx.aui.AuiManager.AddPane(self._mgr, m_geometryBar, wx.aui.AuiPaneInfo().Name("GeomBar").Caption("Geometry Tools").ToolbarPane().Top()); | 01:57 |
| gene | http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/COMMS/fluidicgramophone/gramoph1.gif | 01:57 |
| kanzure | as opposed to: m_aui_manager.AddPane(m_solidBar, wxAuiPaneInfo().Name("SolidBar").Caption("Solid Tools").ToolbarPane().Top()); | 01:57 |
| kanzure | (heek's version) | 01:57 |
| kanzure | *heeks' | 01:58 |
| gene | so any cool software that can extract geometry from that weird looking thing in the lower right? | 01:58 |
| kanzure | heh, of course, nothing productive shows up | 01:58 |
| fenn | autotrace | 01:58 |
| kanzure | fenn: is that from 'convert' ? | 01:59 |
| fenn | really you should just trace it by hand or else figure out the equations behind the design | 01:59 |
| fenn | autotrace is a separate program that is also integrated in inkscape | 01:59 |
| kanzure | http://autotrace.sf.net/ | 02:00 |
| kanzure | well now. | 02:00 |
| gene | it by hand ok | 02:00 |
| gene | that works | 02:00 |
| gene | then scan in | 02:00 |
| gene | oops | 02:00 |
| gene | did I say scan in | 02:00 |
| gene | I mean take a picture of on a wooden table | 02:00 |
| fenn | you're stuttering | 02:00 |
| gene | well sometimes I stutter IRL too | 02:02 |
| kanzure | thanks for autotrace | 02:03 |
| kanzure | I wonder if ponoko is using that for their "scan in your design and we auto CAD it up" stuff | 02:03 |
| fenn | what are these people thinking.. rar'ing zip files of jpegs | 02:04 |
| katsmeow-afk | heh | 02:04 |
| fenn | autotrace is not as perfect as you'd imagine | 02:04 |
| fenn | it blindly traces whatever you give it | 02:04 |
| fenn | at least the inkscape plugin lets you tweak things til it's least sucky | 02:04 |
| gene | well I can remove some stuff from the image using my 1337 pattern recognition ability | 02:09 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/pythonocc/small_gui_hack.py | 02:24 |
| kanzure | almost getting there :p | 02:25 |
| kanzure | god I hate GUIs | 02:25 |
| fenn | 404 | 02:26 |
| fenn | ug it's 2 am already? | 02:26 |
| kanzure | fixed. | 02:27 |
| kanzure | guess I should upload it first huh | 02:27 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/pythonocc/2009-03-15.png | 02:31 |
| gene | wait second | 02:32 |
| gene | I just remembered | 02:32 |
| gene | your doing cfd stuff | 02:32 |
| kanzure | at times. | 02:33 |
| gene | that means you could optimize fluidic amplifiers for me | 02:33 |
| gene | err simulate them | 02:33 |
| gene | pretty what is i? | 02:34 |
| kanzure | fenn, did you ever figure out how to do the non-gui demos for elmer? | 02:34 |
| gene | that picture? | 02:34 |
| gene | if you don't tell me, I go sell it to the art museum | 02:34 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/pythonocc/scripts/section.py | 02:35 |
| kanzure | it's that. | 02:35 |
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| gene | SHIT! ractor oerhat reator oveheat! | 02:39 |
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| bkero | Bahahah fucking awesome | 04:24 |
| bkero | http://www.big-big-truck.com/bebop/desktops.html | 04:24 |
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| kanzure | uch a strange name? From | 13:57 |
| kanzure | looking around most other people seem to use more 'normal' names. I | 13:57 |
| kanzure | hrm. that didn't work. /me is testing out Zotero | 13:57 |
| kanzure | it doesn't seem to automatically grab PDFs even when it's listed on Google immediately within the citation.. | 14:06 |
| kanzure | http://www.zotero.org/translators/ | 14:08 |
| kanzure | http://www.zotero.org/support/dev/extension_files | 14:10 |
| kanzure | http://www.molspaces.com/cb2bib/ "The cb2Bib is a tool for rapidly extracting unformatted, or unstandardized bibliographic references from email alerts, journal Web pages, and PDF files." | 14:12 |
| kanzure | black magic? | 14:12 |
| kanzure | (was just plain text apparently. not PDF OCR black magic.) | 14:49 |
| kanzure | huh, SEC mandated that any company with >$5 billion market cap implement XBRL for quarterly reporting: http://xbrl.org/ | 15:02 |
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| fenn | sudo make me a sandwich, blarg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQOkMz3kiS0 | 15:39 |
| bkero | Not making fenn a sandwich. | 15:40 |
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| fenn | http://artbots.org/2008/participants/TwoStageTransferDrawing/ | 16:40 |
| fenn | i'd like to see some more detail on that | 16:40 |
| kanzure | fenn: thanks for the sandwhich | 16:41 |
| fenn | i think it's just her in a box | 16:42 |
| fenn | and you poke her back | 16:42 |
| kanzure | how do the linear actuators work for the vending-machine like spiral metal thingy that drops the bread and cheese? | 16:44 |
| gene | sandvich machine? | 16:45 |
| ybit | you guys talking about the Make machine? | 16:45 |
| ybit | it did a terrible job of making sandwiches :P | 16:45 |
| ybit | but it could be tweaked | 16:46 |
| gene | I think some sort of pick and place vacuum head would work better for manipulating cheese | 16:46 |
| gene | man I really wish there were totally automated sandwich vending machines | 16:46 |
| kanzure | I think the cheese should be freshly cut | 16:54 |
| kanzure | you're not going to be able to store slices of cheese for long periods of time in the way that the video showed | 16:54 |
| kanzure | you can store a brick of cheese with seran wrap actuated covering mechanism | 16:55 |
| kanzure | and then you just need a knife beam. | 16:55 |
| fenn | what, no waterjet cutter? | 16:56 |
| kanzure | also, it looks like I'm going to the community college next semester unless I come up with a brilliant plan for what I'm going to do on may 19th (kick out date) | 16:56 |
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| gene | fuck | 17:19 |
| kanzure | ? | 17:19 |
| gene | you need money | 17:20 |
| kanzure | dunno | 17:21 |
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| fenn | hm. potatoes for cnc practice | 17:22 |
| fenn | there was even some article about how to make plastic from potatoes | 17:23 |
| gene | yeah | 17:23 |
| gene | plastic that sucks | 17:23 |
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| gene | hmmm... copper hydroxide | 17:27 |
| gene | doesn't seem to hard to make | 17:27 |
| gene | http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-Potato-Plastic!/?ALLSTEPS | 17:28 |
| gene | hopefully you get to all steps | 17:28 |
| fenn | the key step is cooking in vinegar | 17:28 |
| kanzure | heh, potatoes for cnc practice :) | 17:28 |
| fenn | my idea was to just mill a slab of potato | 17:28 |
| fenn | i guess blue styrofoam would be about the same in terms of usefulness | 17:31 |
| fenn | and wouldnt get moldy | 17:31 |
| fenn | but you can't deep fry styrofoam | 17:31 |
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| kanzure | https://reprap.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/reprap/trunk/users/hoeken/pythagoras/make_bot.py Creates a gcode file and list of rod lengths to build an auto-assembling frame based on various parameters. | 17:37 |
| gene | autoassembling | 17:38 |
| gene | I wonder if there will ever be a reprap version grendel... | 17:38 |
| kanzure | grendel? | 17:40 |
| gene | it harvests resources for replication rather voraciously | 17:41 |
| gene | IE a true grey goo reprap | 17:41 |
| gene | a great threat to earth | 17:42 |
| gene | 's biosphere that must never be made | 17:42 |
| fenn | bwahahaha | 17:44 |
| fenn | yarrwin the reprap pirate ship | 17:45 |
| kanzure | fenn: what blog be you reading? | 17:46 |
| fenn | uh, "how to decrease your programmers' productivity" | 17:46 |
| fenn | but i was just responding to "grendel the reprap" | 17:46 |
| gene | heh yarrwin | 17:56 |
| gene | there are some boats with machine shops in them | 17:56 |
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| * katsmeow-afk will put all her tools on her boat as well, makes it easier to fix a broken prop or connector or patch a hole | 18:10 | |
| kanzure | a female? | 18:10 |
| kanzure | are you a statistical anomaly? | 18:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | depends on the statistic | 18:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | if you mean will i go to extremes of leaving the country to get away from the macho crap that makes her less than a common stray dog, then yeas | 18:11 |
| kanzure | good enough | 18:12 |
| kanzure | but yeah, how much is "all" | 18:12 |
| kanzure | have you been able to fit a fully fitted machine shop on your boat, and if so, how small are the tools or how large is the boat? | 18:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | lathes, drill presses, power hand tools, arc welder, generators, 14 12v deep discharge batteries and ~3kw worth of standby power, 6 desktop putrs, etc,, that's about "all" | 18:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | i have a Bridgeport miller base the neighbors have stopped me from even *touching* for years, it's got alot of rust on it now, prolly not worth bringing | 18:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | i couldn't touch it, it's been sitting in the weather for 10 yrs, so i dodn't bother getting the powerhead or t-slot table,, but i got erverything else | 18:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | the main hull will be ~8ft OD, ~45 ft long, the two outer 4ft OD hulls ~40ft long | 18:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | lotta surface area on top, and enough below | 18:16 |
| fenn | bridgeport is too big for a boat anyway, just a lot of unnecessary worry | 18:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | i can build stuff, i know stuff, yet i cannot proove i can read or write | 18:18 |
| fenn | you might have one of those text to speech to text programs | 18:18 |
| fenn | with a cat translator attached to it | 18:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | fenn, yea, i'd haveto center the darned thing way low too, as ballast, whioch i don't really need | 18:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | text to speech and vice versa can't typo lik ei can :-P | 18:19 |
| gene | heh you might want some satellite internet with that | 18:22 |
| gene | and I just plan to go to new zealand | 18:23 |
| kanzure | I wonder why Peter Thiel, for all of the good he thinks he's doing with Aubrey de Grey and SIAI, doesn't just pay to launch a satellite for free/open source projects communication | 18:27 |
| kanzure | why doesn't stallman have a satellite yet, anyway? | 18:28 |
| kanzure | wouldn't it help with his rants about freedom? | 18:28 |
| fenn | i thought there were a number of HAM piggyback satellites | 18:32 |
| fenn | HAM is sort of a weird culture though, but hopefully that will change with the morse code requirement being dropped | 18:32 |
| fenn | what sort of impact would a satellite have anyway? | 18:33 |
| fenn | a big one would be to enable sousveillance which is otherwise blocked by google etc | 18:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | it's stilla good ole boy network tho, at local meetings *no one* talked to me | 18:33 |
| fenn | yeah they are proud of doing things backwards and having a closed society | 18:33 |
| fenn | http://perens.com/Articles/Morse.html | 18:36 |
| fenn | a national ham radio organization in the U.S., felt that the ham frequencies would become saturated if many more people became hams. They asked FCC to raise the Morse code testing speed requirement to 12.5 words-per-minute, as this was felt to be difficult enough to keep most people out of ham radio. | 18:36 |
| kanzure | hah. and the jerks that want to regulate diybio want to mimic the ham radio regulatory structure? | 18:37 |
| fenn | if you can't make a system that works, legislate the problem away! | 18:37 |
| kanzure | "you can't join unless you can pipette 12.5 test tubes per second" | 18:37 |
| fenn | yeah "\ | 18:37 |
| gene | yeah, like politicians are even going to legalize us | 18:43 |
| gene | if they even hear about us | 18:44 |
| gene | we're screwed | 18:44 |
| gene | we need to become unregulatable | 18:44 |
| gene | just like the UAV people did | 18:44 |
| gene | make resources so cheap that they can't stop us even if they pass laws | 18:44 |
| gene | space shuttle launch today btw | 18:45 |
| kanzure | my brother is watching it in florida | 18:46 |
| fenn | you have a brother? | 18:48 |
| kanzure | yes | 18:48 |
| kanzure | Andrew | 18:48 |
| gene | it's off | 18:48 |
| gene | woohoo | 18:48 |
| gene | saw a rocket launch from an airplane once | 18:49 |
| fenn | i wish nasa tv wasn't such a pain | 18:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | i got video somewhere of how to wreck a perfectly good C-130 with jato bottles | 18:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | you strap them on with intent to use them sequentially as needed on touchdown to stop the plane on a 200ft runway, instead, fire them all at once while still 50ft in the air | 18:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | the plane backs up a lil as it falls str8 down, snapping the wings off at the root | 18:56 |
| gene | damn | 18:57 |
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| gene | I could a sent you a special windows media | 18:58 |
| gene | stream | 18:58 |
| gene | oh yeah | 18:58 |
| gene | I remembeer that one | 18:58 |
| gene | for the iranian hostage rescure mission | 18:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas | 18:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | they lost helos there too | 18:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | it was like "how can we leave more wreckage and kill more of our own people, and theIranians not know about it till the next day?" | 19:00 |
| gene | mms://68.142.251.51/md2enc045?StreamID=79597342&pl_auth=2b3167a6630594f48f2371ccdf9a03cf&ht= 120&pl_b=00D90C08885B60C5B3386F7F5549BD7B08&CG_ID=1368163 | 19:01 |
| gene | good stream | 19:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | during Vietnam, they could have (and did) grabbed the poeple without ever landing anything | 19:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | stream of which? | 19:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | pilot would unhook his chute after landing, hook a ballon, and a modified plane would snag the ballon and lift him off to home | 19:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | it only worked then during the day,, and was like a large pointer to the pilot's location,, but by Iran-crisis time, it col dhave been done at nite in downtown | 19:03 |
| gene | well, balloon lift isn't very great for lot's of people | 19:04 |
| katsmeow-afk | so they faint, makes for less screaming :-) | 19:05 |
| gene | fainting isn't a problem | 19:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | what's the problem? | 19:06 |
| gene | it's the sheer amount of mass you have to move | 19:06 |
| gene | balloons are good for a few people | 19:06 |
| gene | but not a whole crowd | 19:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | nylon rope has a lot of give to it, and the transport plane is a multi ton anchor in the sky | 19:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | the ballon doesn't lift, the baloon only gets th erope up where the plane can snag it | 19:07 |
| fenn | gene you were obsessed about this exact same concept like a month ago | 19:08 |
| gene | yeah | 19:08 |
| gene | but i was talking about moving packages not people | 19:09 |
| fenn | meh | 19:09 |
| katsmeow-afk | returning satallites been snagged mid air the same way,, some didn't get caught <boom> | 19:10 |
| fenn | spy planes? | 19:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | satalites | 19:10 |
| fenn | i dont get it | 19:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | film, prior to digital camers | 19:10 |
| fenn | the satellite de-orbits and then has a parachute line which the plane snags? | 19:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | the film wasn't allowed to land, it was caught while still on parachute by plane | 19:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | a returning payload capsule was done the same way a few yrs ago | 19:12 |
| fenn | anyone know why they are spraying sparky liquid stuff at the shuttle engines? | 19:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | one was missed on multiple passes, it hit the ground hard | 19:12 |
| gene | heard about that | 19:12 |
| gene | fenn to light them | 19:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | to make sure they don't get pockets of unburned fuel uunder the rocket | 19:12 |
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| katsmeow-afk | big cloud of H2 andO2 under there would wreck the astronauts' day | 19:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | it must be lit off immeadiately before it collects | 19:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | ergo, spray the entire area under th erocket with sparks | 19:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | saw a delta (?) launch attempt once, there was a misfire, then a large billowy fireball all over the launch pad, and then the rocket detonated too | 19:15 |
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| katsmeow-afk | we useto go out and watch Nike-Zeus and Nike-Ajax launches when i was a kid | 19:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | part of ABM tests | 19:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | the good ole days, not knowing who would use your icbm address to deliver a package | 19:21 |
| katsmeow-afk | "it's a nuclear bomb! hide under your desk!" | 19:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | tv news here is saying there's an 80% chance of good weather for the nasa launch tonite :-| | 19:40 |
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| kanzure | I wonder how long I can stare at wxpython code until something happens. | 19:44 |
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| kanzure | oh yay, window panes on toolbar objects are partially working now. just need to figure out how to resize the images. these are far larger than 96x96 | 20:06 |
| kanzure | hrm, maybe I shouldn't be using wx.DefaultPosition and wx.DefaultSize (or wx.Size for that matter- which doesn't seem to help?) | 20:07 |
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| kanzure | hm, so only if I move the pane and then back to the original place does the 24x24 icon show | 20:50 |
| kanzure | (this is after calling mogrify -resize 24x24 *.png on a copy of the heekscad bitmaps/ dir.) | 20:50 |
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| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/pythonocc/2009-03-15_2.png | 21:56 |
| kanzure | I think it's failing to display the other pane ("tools"- file open/save stuff) because when it boots up it's all on one row, so it's outside of my screen viewing size | 21:57 |
| kanzure | still doesn't explain the weird initialization state with no icons for anything .. that's another issue I guess? | 21:57 |
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| fenn | you're rewriting heekscad in python? | 22:14 |
| fenn | middle and right mouse is a bad idea | 22:15 |
| fenn | you can already zoom with scroll wheel | 22:15 |
| fenn | if you have no scroll wheel, get with it, it's 2009 | 22:15 |
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| fenn | kanzure: you're using kwrite, do you know about kate? | 22:22 |
| fenn | it's like kwrite's older sister | 22:22 |
| fenn | oh there it is, nevermind | 22:23 |
| fenn | wow kde's standard icons are 67MB (50MB compressed) | 22:29 |
| kanzure | yes, I involuntarily use kate from time to time when it "just happens" | 22:31 |
| kanzure | I can't figure out why my menu bar isn't displaying. | 22:32 |
| kanzure | hrm. | 22:32 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/pythonocc/iviewer.py includes my modifications. The "m_toolBar" object isn't being displayed. | 22:32 |
| kanzure | don't know if you can run pythonocc yet.. | 22:33 |
| fenn | no, i'll try compiling again | 22:33 |
| kanzure | though it shouldn't matter, you could just strip it out since this is just the wx bullshit | 22:33 |
| kanzure | well it's not entirely bullshit, but it is unpleasant | 22:33 |
| * kanzure was playing around with wxglade earlier today, feels impure | 22:33 | |
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| fenn | alright now why arent my emails getting through to pythonOCC list | 22:34 |
| fenn | it worked last week | 22:34 |
| fenn | 451 4.4.1 reply: read error from mail.gna.org. | 22:35 |
| fenn | <pythonocc-users@gna.org>... Deferred: Connection timed out with mail.gna.org. | 22:35 |
| kanzure | they have a weird reply-to setting on their mailserver | 22:35 |
| kanzure | hah | 22:35 |
| kanzure | okay, or that. | 22:35 |
| fenn | i dont know what that means either | 22:35 |
| kanzure | their mail server must have been down | 22:35 |
| fenn | everyone else seems to be able to send messages | 22:35 |
| fenn | it's been like this all today and at least part of yesterday | 22:36 |
| kanzure | maybe it was down for the few minutes when your mail was actually being sent? | 22:36 |
| fenn | er, huh? | 22:37 |
| fenn | Checking whether c++ compiler "gcc" works...no | 22:37 |
| fenn | Checking for C++ header file stdlib.h... no | 22:37 |
| kanzure | they got up and walked away due to your neglect of stdlib. | 22:38 |
| fenn | re: mail, no it says 'could not send message for last 18 hours' | 22:38 |
| fenn | but i have libstdc++ 5 and 6 | 22:38 |
| kanzure | default installation paths? | 22:38 |
| fenn | of course | 22:38 |
| fenn | g++ -Wall -lstdc++ foo.c doesn't give any errors | 22:40 |
| fenn | wtf is scons doing | 22:40 |
| kanzure | look for _INC in SConstruct I guess | 22:41 |
| kanzure | I don't know if my notes are going to be helpful. I actually had a bit of a hard time with the last time I was using scons to install it on a lab box. | 22:42 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/Manufacturing/pythonocc/linux.install.readme.txt | 22:43 |
| fenn | i saw something awesome at the grocery store today | 22:46 |
| fenn | organic pancake batter in an aerosol can | 22:47 |
| fenn | called "batter blasters" | 22:47 |
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| fenn | oh man you have to watch their ad http://www.batterblaster.com/tv.html | 22:49 |
| kanzure | "make a better breakfast faster, batter blaster" | 22:54 |
| kanzure | yikes. | 22:54 |
| kanzure | soo if I comment out one of my self._mgr.AddPane() lines, the m_toolBar object will display. | 22:55 |
| kanzure | oh wait, no it won't. | 22:56 |
| kanzure | maybe there's a max of 4 at a time? that's the max that shows up in heekscad, and it's the max that I'm getting. | 23:01 |
| kanzure | hrm | 23:01 |
| kanzure | but then why wouldn't they be kind enough to throw an error? | 23:01 |
| fenn | re iviewer.py, that's a lot of global variables | 23:07 |
| fenn | usually this is done by having an App class which holds all your state | 23:07 |
| kanzure | oh, I should probably be using line 162~ and using 'nb' instead of 'tb' | 23:07 |
| fenn | not that i have any idea what all that ID_ stuff is | 23:08 |
| kanzure | that's from heeks' enum :) | 23:08 |
| kanzure | various constants for interfacing with the wx event handler | 23:08 |
| kanzure | (I think?) | 23:08 |
| fenn | it should be wx.* then | 23:09 |
| kanzure | some of them, are in fact, wx.* | 23:12 |
| kanzure | and many aren't. | 23:12 |
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| gene | batter blasters are great | 23:21 |
| xp_prg | you have a gene blaster? | 23:22 |
| gene | no comment | 23:22 |
| gene | yes | 23:23 |
| gene | don't tell everyone though | 23:23 |
| gene | so I need to find out if stainless steel gets eaten away if electrical current is applied | 23:24 |
| xp_prg | I don't know | 23:25 |
| gene | I want to make me a transcrainial DC stimulator | 23:26 |
| gene | what's the best way to make an offline version of wikipedia for my laptop | 23:28 |
| fenn | depends how much free space you have | 23:29 |
| fenn | this looks like a good guide http://users.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/~ttsiod/buildWikipediaOffline.html | 23:31 |
| kanzure | gene: there are links from mediawiki too | 23:31 |
| kanzure | anywhere from 4 GB to 160 GB IIRC | 23:31 |
| kanzure | also, I've been playing around with zotero, and it actually does grab PDFs with citations | 23:32 |
| kanzure | so it's not that bad. | 23:32 |
| fenn | ttp://www.wikitaxi.org/ | 23:33 |
| fenn | h+ :) | 23:34 |
| fenn | how can there be no wikipedia torrent? srsly all you'd have to do is scrape the whole thing and put it in a torrent | 23:40 |
| fenn | supposedly it's only about 420GB | 23:41 |
| fenn | "It's worth noting that to crawl the whole site at one hit per second will take several weeks." | 23:43 |
| gene | kanzure do you have a version of wikipedia? | 23:45 |
| gene | on your mondo-huge drive | 23:47 |
| gene | 71 gigs free | 23:51 |
| gene | http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/ | 23:53 |
| gene | now which one to download | 23:53 |
| kanzure | I might, but I've lost it | 23:54 |
| kanzure | argh. so now the 'geometry bar' isn't displaying. wtf wx, wtf. | 23:54 |
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| kanzure | this is worse than CSS. | 23:54 |
| gene | at least it's not GOPHER | 23:57 |
| kanzure | self._mgr.AddPane(self.tb, wx.aui.AuiPaneInfo().Name("View").Caption("View").ToolbarPane().Top().TopDockable(True).BottomDockable(True)) | 23:58 |
| kanzure | so if I comment that out, the geometry bar shows back up | 23:58 |
| kanzure | even though that has nothing to do with the existence of the geometry bar | 23:58 |
| kanzure | blah | 23:58 |
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