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| gene | http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090318094642.htm | 00:41 |
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| gene | bacteria in the stratosphere | 00:41 |
| gene | what are bacteria doing in the stratosphere? | 00:43 |
| gene | heck if there's bacteria in the stratosphere, why doesn't something feed off of them | 00:45 |
| fenn | i wish they would do isotope analysis on them | 00:45 |
| fenn | the premise is that the bacteria come from interstellar space and drift down to earth | 00:46 |
| gene | whoa that'd be weird | 00:47 |
| gene | you'd expect panspermia to be a rare event | 00:47 |
| fenn | not at all | 00:47 |
| gene | I doubt they're from intersteller space though | 00:47 |
| fenn | science is just a series of events showing how earth isn't the center of the universe | 00:48 |
| gene | they've got some similarity with life on earth | 00:48 |
| fenn | hey dumbass, paradigm shift | 00:48 |
| willPow3r | what are you doing in the stratosphere bacteria? you don't belong there, you can't even breathe there bacteria | 00:48 |
| fenn | if there's bacteria in outer space, life didn't originate on earth | 00:48 |
| gene | heh | 00:48 |
| fenn | that means life on earth was seeded by these bacteria drifting in | 00:48 |
| gene | well fenn, they found a genus of janibacter | 00:49 |
| fenn | so that's why they are genetically similar | 00:49 |
| gene | you want me to do a genetic comparison of janibacter genome to the human genome? | 00:49 |
| gene | do you? | 00:49 |
| fenn | not really | 00:49 |
| gene | but I don't get it what the heck are bacteria doing up there? | 00:50 |
| gene | carrying out photosynthesis | 00:50 |
| fenn | there aren't any air currents in the stratosphere so they couldnt be blown there by winds | 00:51 |
| gene | I wonder if they live there or just got carried there by say jet liners | 00:51 |
| fenn | the only way to get there is by volcano or from outer space | 00:51 |
| gene | I wonder if they came from enceladus | 00:51 |
| fenn | and they are careful not to do sampling after a volcano eruption | 00:51 |
| fenn | did you know that the surface of comets are darker than photo copier toner? | 00:52 |
| gene | well you never know | 00:52 |
| gene | really? | 00:52 |
| gene | well then, I think we found a new source of toner | 00:52 |
| gene | damn I wonder if there is life on enceladus or europa | 00:53 |
| gene | and if there isn't if we can solve that | 00:54 |
| gene | by shooting a bunch of bacteria into it | 00:54 |
| gene | I wonder if there are any clouds at 40 km | 00:57 |
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| kanzure | meh, I had that paper on my server btw | 01:15 |
| kanzure | I don't know if he knows how to do genome analysis | 01:16 |
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| fenn | dunno if i ever ranted about the red rain phenomenon: http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1526&category=Science | 01:19 |
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| kanzure | nope | 01:34 |
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| kanzure | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/03/help_get_a_hacker_space_running_in.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 | 10:33 |
| kanzure | don't know if we'll want to eventually make a similar announcement or not | 10:33 |
| kanzure | http://www.ist.caltech.edu/mpp/ molecular programming project (winfree/rothemund) | 10:44 |
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| kanzure | huh | 11:33 |
| kanzure | contact electrochemical replication | 11:33 |
| kanzure | Contact Electrochemical Replication of Hydrophilic−Hydrophobic Monolayer Patterns http://is.gd/o2Kq | 11:36 |
| kanzure | crap. CyberKinetics (the MEA folks) are going out of business. | 11:49 |
| kanzure | http://www.neurometrix.com/ | 11:50 |
| kanzure | fuck, it made wired? http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2009/03/open-source-har.html | 11:56 |
| kanzure | (the osh "bank" bullshit) | 11:56 |
| kanzure | "Huynh and Stack are managing the process through a Excel spreadsheet. | 11:56 |
| kanzure | " | 11:56 |
| kanzure | argh | 11:56 |
| kanzure | wtf is wrong with this world | 11:56 |
| kanzure | you make an excel spreadsheet and get in the news | 12:09 |
| kanzure | blah. I need to go punch a baby. | 12:09 |
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| UtopiahGHML | regarding http://www.ist.caltech.edu/mpp http://www.jcheminf.com/ started recently AFAIK | 12:35 |
| kanzure | http://www.tamasoft.co.jp/pepakura-en/download/viewer.html | 12:40 |
| kanzure | http://www.tamasoft.co.jp/pepakura-en/ | 12:40 |
| kanzure | have we gone over this 'pepakura design software' before? | 12:40 |
| kanzure | also, 3d pokemon papercraft: http://paperpokes.blogspot.com/ | 12:41 |
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| kanzure | fenn: the osh bank stuff made it to wired.com :( | 15:00 |
| kanzure | UTCS Distinguished Lecture Series: Richard Stallman/Free Software Foundation (gnu.org): "Copyright vs. Community in the Age of Computer Networks" WEL 1.308, Friday, April 24, 2009 2:15 p.m. | 15:46 |
| kanzure | oh snap | 15:46 |
| bkero | kanzure: do it | 15:46 |
| bkero | Have a beard-off with RMS | 15:46 |
| bkero | You always lose, but it's always fun | 15:46 |
| kanzure | gah, but I shaved :( | 15:48 |
| bkero | :( | 15:52 |
| bkero | Glue it back on? | 15:52 |
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| kanzure | could a burning a CD be used as a way to make a mask for photolithography? :/ | 16:55 |
| fenn | ffs this secrecy crap pisses me off | 17:17 |
| fenn | "Bre Pettis demonstrated the prototype device during SxSW Festival" | 17:17 |
| kanzure | one of the daves I know was there and chatted with bre for a while (not the one you know) | 17:19 |
| fenn | ya treadwell | 17:19 |
| kanzure | oh crap | 17:19 |
| kanzure | yes | 17:19 |
| kanzure | oh, I forwarded his message to om | 17:19 |
| kanzure | that's right. | 17:19 |
| kanzure | I sent a massive email to BRLCAD about their GSoC involvement. I offered to put graphsynth under the hood for the constraints satisfaction engine | 17:20 |
| fenn | and now i find out the book i'm reading (title Themepunks) is going to be re-titled "Makers" - dammit! | 17:20 |
| kanzure | sucks how much things suck, eh? | 17:20 |
| fenn | graphsynth isn't a constraints engine | 17:20 |
| fenn | what are you thinking? | 17:20 |
| kanzure | ho ho ho, but it can solve the same problems | 17:20 |
| fenn | not quantitatively | 17:20 |
| kanzure | that's not entirely true | 17:21 |
| fenn | educate me | 17:21 |
| fenn | also, graphsynth is c# | 17:21 |
| fenn | i doubt brl-cad would go for that | 17:21 |
| kanzure | right, that's definitely an issue | 17:21 |
| kanzure | um, so, the same way that the gears are generated quantitatively :) | 17:21 |
| fenn | iirc the gears were all spinning the wrong speeds | 17:22 |
| kanzure | that had nothing to do with graphsynth | 17:22 |
| fenn | it was just random numbers right? | 17:22 |
| kanzure | yep, everything to do with glxgears | 17:22 |
| kanzure | there's probably something better than graphsynth for a real constraints engine that is already implemented somewhere of course | 17:23 |
| kanzure | but their previous constraints attempt was the boost graph library | 17:23 |
| kanzure | and if they want to do graphs, let's do graphs :p | 17:23 |
| kanzure | todo: write up an article on how to convert a CD drive into an optical data link (I guess just a PCB with the right interconnects) | 17:39 |
| fenn | first you gotta figure out how to do that | 17:44 |
| fenn | not like i see the point though | 17:44 |
| kanzure | there's not much of one, I just ran into a random paper while I was searching for references to this other paper thingy about CDs apparently having spiral microchannels | 17:45 |
| kanzure | (but now that I look at it, it's apparent that they fabricated that pattern on to the CDs via PDMS) | 17:45 |
| fenn | they use laser engraved glass i think | 17:48 |
| fenn | reprap is on-par with commercial RP machines now: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Cii6PZ78wNc/ScD8n-LvOhI/AAAAAAAAAFE/6-o4ezLUsuI/s1600-h/WineG_ABS.jpg | 17:49 |
| fenn | assuming someone can duplicate this person's methods | 17:50 |
| fenn | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Cii6PZ78wNc/ScD9RMyB_xI/AAAAAAAAAFU/TMP-8zS8yRQ/s1600-h/WineG_ABS10.jpg | 17:50 |
| kanzure | scotch tape can transfer layers of sharpie circuits to the polycarbonate surface of a CD (where there are microchannels) and thus creating wells, where fluid can flow over into the next microchannel/groove, but not going to the sides (where sharpie markings would be located, supposedly) | 18:08 |
| gene | sweet | 19:22 |
| gene | kanzurer | 19:22 |
| gene | I'm working on a fluidic amplifier right now | 19:23 |
| gene | fenn, more info on that | 19:23 |
| gene | is that nophead? | 19:23 |
| gene | if so, then reprap is not on par | 19:23 |
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| fenn | no it's tony fletcher | 19:39 |
| fenn | see builders.reprap.org | 19:39 |
| gene | never heard of him | 19:39 |
| fenn | me either | 19:39 |
| gene | is that with a reprap? | 19:40 |
| fenn | i guess he is associated with bfb somehow | 19:41 |
| gene | that is with a reprap? | 19:42 |
| gene | if it is, holy shit | 19:42 |
| fenn | well, RapMan but close enough | 19:42 |
| gene | oh that guy | 19:44 |
| gene | the guy who's also building some sort of fusion reactor I believe | 19:44 |
| gene | that is a reprap | 19:46 |
| gene | rapman=reprap kit | 19:46 |
| gene | wow | 19:47 |
| gene | original website | 19:47 |
| fenn | you're thinking of famulus == http://prometheusfusionperfection.wordpress.com/ | 19:50 |
| gene | yeah I am | 19:51 |
| gene | now why the heck is my caliper flashin? | 19:51 |
| fenn | heh the old dodacahedral hamiltonian path problem | 19:54 |
| fenn | here's one solution http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~sequin/SCULPTS/CHS_miniSculpts/HamiltonianPaths/DodHpFDiagD.JPG | 19:54 |
| gene | never heard of it | 19:54 |
| fenn | he has to wrap a wire around each loop exactly once (preferably) | 19:55 |
| gene | oh cool | 19:56 |
| gene | do you mind sending me the link to the original webpage for that | 19:56 |
| fenn | 19:56 | |
| fenn | hm | 19:56 |
| fenn | http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~sequin/SCULPTS/sequin.html | 19:56 |
| fenn | yuck http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~sequin/SCULPTS/CHS_miniSculpts/HamiltonianPaths/DodHamPathB.JPG | 19:57 |
| fenn | bathsheba kicks this guy's ass | 19:57 |
| gene | damn that famulus guy made some progress | 19:58 |
| gene | artists are begining to think 3d printed art is noobish | 19:59 |
| fenn | that's good | 19:59 |
| fenn | maybe we'll see some real art now | 19:59 |
| fenn | i mean, more than just "look ma, VR!" | 19:59 |
| gene | well one of the art groups I met with on campus recently wants to do 3d printer art too | 20:00 |
| gene | but I have other ideas | 20:00 |
| gene | expect something interesting.... | 20:00 |
| fenn | i'd like to see FDM where the grain follows the actual shape, like isolines on those mathematical surfaces | 20:00 |
| fenn | instead of just raster scan | 20:01 |
| gene | oh damn | 20:01 |
| fenn | what art group? actlab? | 20:01 |
| gene | someone else | 20:01 |
| gene | art and science group | 20:01 |
| gene | open to everyone if you want in | 20:04 |
| fenn | link? | 20:07 |
| gene | let me see if they have a site yet | 20:10 |
| fenn | do you know anywhere i can go that has HDMI monitors that i can hook a beagleboard to? | 20:10 |
| gene | what's a beagleboard? | 20:11 |
| fenn | a toy | 20:11 |
| gene | try fry's they won't mind | 20:11 |
| fenn | i wonder how to fake out a computer into thinking my AVR is a keyboard | 20:12 |
| gene | http://artscienceaustin.blogspot.com/ | 20:13 |
| gene | oh yes they got a site now | 20:13 |
| fenn | hm is this some kind of steampunk club :) | 20:14 |
| gene | no | 20:14 |
| gene | art group | 20:14 |
| gene | you know the "BEWARE OF ZOMBIES" sign hack? well someone 'knows the person who did it' if you know what I mean | 20:15 |
| fenn | Potentially new resources for group | 20:15 |
| fenn | 3-D printer in Engineering | 20:15 |
| fenn | 3-D printer in Architecture | 20:15 |
| fenn | Laser cutter in Architecture | 20:15 |
| gene | 3-D printer in geology | 20:15 |
| fenn | is that like "REJECT CHRIST RECEIVE BACON"? | 20:15 |
| gene | hahahahahah | 20:16 |
| gene | argh, how the heck do I use Qcad | 20:18 |
| fenn | with lots of clicking | 20:19 |
| fenn | are you drawing a gear? :) | 20:19 |
| gene | no | 20:19 |
| gene | trying to draw a template for a cover plate for a fluidic amplifier | 20:20 |
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| gene | so I can electroetch it | 20:21 |
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| fenn | omg <3 eric hunting | 21:38 |
| kanzure | we all do :) | 21:45 |
| kanzure | but, out of curiosity, what did he do this time? | 21:46 |
| fenn | put a troll in his place | 21:54 |
| fenn | http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/luf-team/message/10575 | 21:54 |
| kanzure | was this the "cult" thread? | 21:55 |
| kanzure | ah, no, the funeral thread | 21:56 |
| fenn | same thing really | 21:56 |
| kanzure | I wonder how terrible it would be to be in an eric hunting cult | 21:58 |
| fenn | probably not too bad | 22:00 |
| kanzure | multi-volume manifestos every Tuesday and Thursday | 22:00 |
| fenn | required zen classes | 22:00 |
| kanzure | the zen-kinda meaning of "required" ? heh | 22:00 |
| fenn | scroll down to "Tjan opened the door": http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2005/10/10/themepunks_5/index2.html | 22:02 |
| fenn | that's how i want the lab to work | 22:02 |
| kanzure | there's an ad | 22:03 |
| kanzure | good god what is this crap | 22:03 |
| kanzure | ah, the link was offset from the "close this ad" text | 22:03 |
| kanzure | hm | 22:06 |
| kanzure | I guess it's better than what we currently have | 22:08 |
| fenn | currently = what? | 22:08 |
| kanzure | it doesn't raelly fix the problems of organization | 22:09 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/folders.html | 22:09 |
| kanzure | so your stuff goes into random folders now, big deal? | 22:09 |
| fenn | sure we still need an ontology for "browsing" and the tub labeling/sorting would reflect this | 22:10 |
| fenn | but a search engine sidesteps the problems of ontologies and miscategorization | 22:10 |
| fenn | and RFID fixes the inventory "is it there?" problem | 22:11 |
| fenn | which i was going to try to do with digital weight scales | 22:11 |
| kanzure | "is the right amount of mass there" ? | 22:11 |
| fenn | yeah | 22:11 |
| fenn | i think we'll still have to do something like that for qty items like hardware or consumables | 22:12 |
| fenn | but really an accurate mass is a pretty good identifier | 22:12 |
| kanzure | if we're going to bother to implement all of the typical hard drive file system tools and standards, we might as well just be serious about it and implement it in terms of FUSE or something | 22:13 |
| kanzure | the light-up-the-box model is basically like running `which` or `locate` | 22:14 |
| kanzure | (locate runs off of a cache, `find` is the one that is a snail) | 22:14 |
| fenn | i'm not going to fall into the filesystem trap | 22:14 |
| kanzure | but that's what this is, no? | 22:14 |
| fenn | unix tools are nice | 22:14 |
| fenn | but it's a database, not a filesystem | 22:14 |
| kanzure | oh look, | 22:14 |
| kanzure | http://www.tagsistant.net/ | 22:15 |
| kanzure | "a semantic filesystem for Linux and BSD kernels" | 22:15 |
| * kanzure rolls his eyes | 22:15 | |
| fenn | sure, filesystems are convenient | 22:16 |
| fenn | but that's only because unix has totally perverted the meaning of "file" | 22:16 |
| fenn | something like /proc would be useful | 22:16 |
| fenn | i proposed this for emc2's HAL | 22:17 |
| kanzure | isn't /proc just some extra information about /dev ? | 22:17 |
| kanzure | i.e., i've retried processor temperatures from /proc | 22:17 |
| fenn | /proc is a view into the kernel's status | 22:17 |
| fenn | see man proc | 22:18 |
| fenn | run proc run | 22:18 |
| kanzure | I wish objects weren't so dead. | 22:19 |
| kanzure | ok, anyway, yeah, it's an ok idea | 22:21 |
| kanzure | I should only complain about objects if I have the solution these days :) and I don't. | 22:21 |
| fenn | i was just surprised at how close doctorow was to my thinking | 22:21 |
| kanzure | I do like the feature of being able to put anything anywhere | 22:22 |
| kanzure | in the sense that it's "just out of the way" | 22:22 |
| fenn | yeah, optimal close packing of "stuff" | 22:22 |
| kanzure | Unified Theory of Stuff | 22:22 |
| kanzure | "stuff flows to fill all available niches" | 22:22 |
| fenn | you do need some sort of backup organization scheme though in case your computers all die | 22:22 |
| kanzure | "stuff takes shape in the eye of the coder" | 22:22 |
| kanzure | fenn: weekly print-outs from the server's cache? | 22:23 |
| fenn | "stuff expands to fill available capacity" | 22:23 |
| fenn | kanzure: i'm thinking disaster readiness | 22:23 |
| fenn | not backup | 22:23 |
| kanzure | keep small backpacks of disaster prepardness kits? | 22:24 |
| fenn | insufficient functionality | 22:24 |
| fenn | you dont go to a fablab in a disaster for a backpack | 22:24 |
| kanzure | I've failed to think. | 22:25 |
| kanzure | what are we talking about? | 22:25 |
| fenn | inventory systems | 22:25 |
| kanzure | minimal things that you need in case you are about to die? | 22:25 |
| kanzure | optimal functionality when nothing is working? | 22:25 |
| fenn | no, just maximizing functionality in a variety of circumstances | 22:25 |
| fenn | not any sort of single mindedness | 22:26 |
| kanzure | "gee, if only during spring cleaning I truly did an N^N categorization of everything" ? | 22:26 |
| fenn | no single point of failure, basically | 22:26 |
| fenn | categorization doesn't have to be perfect because you have a search engine | 22:27 |
| fenn | search engine doesn't have to be 100% reliable because you have an ontology | 22:27 |
| fenn | we won't have all the possible tags/keywords people will think of, for example AC/DC adapter, wall-wart, power supply, little black box, etc | 22:28 |
| kanzure | I don't see how a search engine solves that | 22:28 |
| fenn | but they could probably find it in "electrical->power supplies" | 22:28 |
| kanzure | eh | 22:28 |
| kanzure | if they knew it | 22:28 |
| fenn | it doesn't, that's the point | 22:28 |
| fenn | bah, you dont have to know an ontology if it's well thought out | 22:28 |
| fenn | can do multiple categories too, so computer->peripherals->scanner->scanner power supply | 22:29 |
| fenn | that's a lot of work though, and should be distributed run-time fixing | 22:30 |
| fenn | like "it wasnt there, would you like to add it?" | 22:30 |
| kanzure | so, RFID v. take a picture of the ISBN-equiavalent barcode ? | 22:34 |
| fenn | tools dont have barcodes | 22:38 |
| fenn | or at least mine dont | 22:38 |
| fenn | maybe the ones at the store do, but the packages are all long gone | 22:38 |
| fenn | or are you talking about a cheaper method of GUID than RFID? | 22:39 |
| fenn | (my experience with grocery stores is that barcodes are a pain in the ass) | 22:40 |
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| fenn | so RFID tags are approx. $1-2 and readers are $25-100 | 23:02 |
| fenn | i think that rules out putting a reader in every tub, at least for the near future | 23:03 |
| gene | fablab for making autoturrets for fending off hordes of undead? | 23:03 |
| gene | dataglyphs might work | 23:04 |
| fenn | dataglyph requires line of sight, which doesn't work in a tub packed full of crap | 23:04 |
| gene | then have a bunch of tubs full of individual things | 23:04 |
| fenn | one tub per thing? that's ridiculous | 23:05 |
| gene | one tub per bunch of things | 23:05 |
| fenn | what's a bunch of things | 23:06 |
| kanzure | fenn: amy is asking me for an itunes app store for hardware | 23:06 |
| kanzure | blah. | 23:06 |
| fenn | wtf | 23:06 |
| kanzure | I'm asking if she has design files.. | 23:06 |
| gene | so are we setting up a super auto inventory system for the fablab? | 23:06 |
| fenn | i started but only got like 20 things done, it takes a lot of work | 23:07 |
| gene | maybe something like a kiva robot | 23:07 |
| fenn | right | 23:07 |
| gene | bins of unsorted stuff that the human can select | 23:08 |
| fenn | ok what should i work on today | 23:09 |
| gene | well you only have one hour until the day ends so.... | 23:09 |
| fenn | i'm on mars time | 23:09 |
| gene | oh ok | 23:10 |
| gene | hmmmm... take pictures of lab, draw out floor plan? | 23:10 |
| kanzure | we already have a floor plan | 23:10 |
| gene | link/ | 23:11 |
| kanzure | no link | 23:11 |
| fenn | it's not public for some reason | 23:11 |
| gene | ok, that's fine | 23:11 |
| fenn | i think les is stuck in "business" mindset | 23:11 |
| gene | hey if we sell food we could make a profit maybe | 23:12 |
| fenn | if you sell anything you should be making a profit | 23:12 |
| fenn | me, i'd rather not sell food if i can help it | 23:13 |
| * fenn tries compiling pythonocc again | 23:13 | |
| gene | materials | 23:14 |
| gene | oh, you know what we need to do if we ever get a stratasys? | 23:15 |
| gene | if we ever get a stratasys we need to figure out how to hack the cartridges | 23:16 |
| fenn | i dont want a stratasys | 23:17 |
| gene | maybe an SLS machine? | 23:18 |
| fenn | ok | 23:18 |
| gene | those accept ground up plastic bits | 23:19 |
| gene | invented here | 23:19 |
| gene | crazy rez | 23:19 |
| kanzure | amy's telling me a diesel engine should only have to be represented by STL | 23:19 |
| kanzure | sigh | 23:19 |
| gene | ugh | 23:20 |
| gene | I learned to hate those things | 23:20 |
| gene | no dimensions | 23:20 |
| gene | I wish there was some sort of SVG for cad files | 23:20 |
| fenn | a diesel engine in STL? what about different materials, tolerances, processes | 23:21 |
| kanzure | right | 23:21 |
| fenn | at least STEP contains useful info (even if its a closed standard) | 23:22 |
| fenn | AP203 and 209 are just geometry though, like stl | 23:22 |
| fenn | i dont know of any widely accepted formats that include material info | 23:23 |
| fenn | at the very least you will need a separate file describing the materials and process to manufacture the geometry | 23:24 |
| gene | solidworks | 23:24 |
| fenn | and dont tell me you're going to SLS a diesel engine | 23:24 |
| kanzure | wtf, she wrote a mechanical VHDL to STL compiler | 23:26 |
| gene | hahahaha, they already did | 23:26 |
| gene | except it doesn't work | 23:26 |
| kanzure | fenn: you know what, | 23:26 |
| kanzure | fenn: it occurs to me that people that run fablabs might not actually know what the fuck CAD is all about | 23:26 |
| gene | and it's made of plastic | 23:26 |
| kanzure | this is scaring me | 23:27 |
| gene | who's amy again? | 23:27 |
| fenn | kanzure: you're just now realizing this? | 23:27 |
| kanzure | she runs the afghanistan fab lab | 23:27 |
| gene | whoa | 23:27 |
| gene | WHOA | 23:27 |
| kanzure | fenn: I assumed they knew what they were doing, yes :( | 23:27 |
| fenn | well, it's not all doom and gloom | 23:28 |
| fenn | they know quite a lot about engineering | 23:28 |
| kanzure | like, this is to the point of | 23:28 |
| kanzure | "I don't care about CAD, just give me a PNG of the design and our laser cutter will do it" | 23:28 |
| fenn | yes | 23:28 |
| * kanzure twitches | 23:28 | |
| fenn | there are a lot of those sort of files in the git repo's | 23:28 |
| fenn | it's all craft crap though so go figure | 23:28 |
| kanzure | right | 23:28 |
| kanzure | "yay I made the 5 billionth star with a laser cutter" | 23:29 |
| kanzure | (ok, I knew that a long time ago, but still) | 23:29 |
| gene | hahhaha | 23:29 |
| kanzure | hm. facebook plugin. | 23:30 |
| fenn | cut faces on your laser cutter? | 23:30 |
| * kanzure twitches again, but in the opposite direction | 23:30 | |
| gene | hey did you see that company that is using SLS prints to make lithopanes? | 23:31 |
| kanzure | why doesn't ponoko have a facebook plugin | 23:31 |
| gene | huh? | 23:31 |
| fenn | "That's where AP224 comes in. Officially the Mechanical Product Definition for Process Planning Using Machining Features, this AP is `owned' by Team SCRA (as its lead developer and international advocate). It provides not only the geometry of a part, but also the part features, dimensions and tolerances, material requirements, and notational information. In other words, everything a manufacturer needs to know in order to efficiently p | 23:32 |
| kanzure | huh | 23:32 |
| kanzure | fenn: is that behind a paywall? | 23:32 |
| kanzure | and if so, do you want me to grab it? | 23:32 |
| fenn | http://www.isg-scra.org/products_steptrans.cfm | 23:32 |
| fenn | you dont have access to ISO documents, dont even bother | 23:32 |
| kanzure | actually | 23:32 |
| kanzure | http://www.lib.utexas.edu/engin/standards/usstds.html | 23:33 |
| fenn | unless you do, in which case i will shit a uranium brick | 23:33 |
| fenn | International Standards (ISO, IEC, ITU, DIN, etc.) are not collected or purchased by the University of Texas Libraries. For purchase information go to the individual standards organization web site or Global Engineering Documents to purchase copies of standards from all national or international organizations and many companies. | 23:33 |
| kanzure | gimme an ISO standard to look up | 23:33 |
| kanzure | blah | 23:33 |
| kanzure | fuck this | 23:33 |
| gene | look up the ISO standard on milling machine punched tape | 23:34 |
| fenn | you mean IEC-RS274D? | 23:35 |
| gene | really? | 23:35 |
| fenn | (not ISO) | 23:35 |
| gene | all be | 23:36 |
| fenn | sorry, EIA | 23:36 |
| fenn | same thing | 23:36 |
| kanzure | bwaha, memorizing international standard codes | 23:36 |
| gene | that's photoplotter code | 23:37 |
| fenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerber_File | 23:37 |
| kanzure | how much does an iphone cost per month? | 23:38 |
| gene | I want milling machine code | 23:38 |
| gene | kanzure go with a kindle | 23:38 |
| gene | free internet | 23:38 |
| kanzure | I don't care | 23:38 |
| kanzure | gimme a number | 23:38 |
| fenn | hmm i guess there is ISO 6983 but it's just a copy of DIN 66025 | 23:38 |
| fenn | one zillion dollars | 23:38 |
| gene | is that punched tape standards | 23:38 |
| fenn | it could be on punched tape, yes | 23:39 |
| fenn | some people still use tape actually | 23:40 |
| fenn | but in general the standard isn't really a "standard" because they're all different | 23:40 |
| gene | heh I want to design a replicator with a fluidic control system that lives in the rings of saturn | 23:41 |
| fenn | how about this http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~jsm28/ECMA-10/ | 23:41 |
| fenn | btw how are you going to find paper on saturn | 23:41 |
| gene | I'm not | 23:42 |
| gene | spun basalt tape perhaps? | 23:42 |
| kanzure | (11:42:41 PM) Amy Sun: good god i can't remember my freshman year. | 23:43 |
| kanzure | (11:42:49 PM) Amy Sun: something about the number of people that would bail before the end of it | 23:43 |
| kanzure | (11:42:56 PM) Amy Sun: and the cold weather putting hair on your chest | 23:43 |
| kanzure | those afghans. | 23:43 |
| kanzure | why didn't fablab apply for gsoc? | 23:44 |
| gene | gsoc? | 23:44 |
| kanzure | google summer of code | 23:44 |
| gene | oh | 23:45 |
| gene | btw you gonna see the Stallman's talk? | 23:46 |
| kanzure | hell yes? | 23:46 |
| fenn | kanzure: tell amy to check out heekscad | 23:46 |
| fenn | and heekscnc | 23:46 |
| gene | can heekscad do 2d? | 23:47 |
| gene | like dxf? | 23:47 |
| fenn | yes, no splines yet though | 23:47 |
| fenn | it can import splines but they are ugly line segments | 23:47 |
| gene | I don't care about splines | 23:47 |
| gene | circles? | 23:47 |
| fenn | well i do | 23:47 |
| fenn | yep | 23:47 |
| gene | in .dxf? | 23:47 |
| fenn | right now you have to split a sketch and then extrude the different closed contours separately ( havent figured out why yet) | 23:47 |
| fenn | gene: i just added circle import to dxf last week | 23:48 |
| gene | is it easy to use? | 23:48 |
| fenn | sure, it's easy to use when it's not crashing | 23:48 |
| fenn | the snapping ("digitizing") doesn't really work right all the time | 23:48 |
| fenn | and there's no feature tree so you're stuck with what you did | 23:48 |
| fenn | but all these will change | 23:49 |
| gene | I'll just stick with qcad for now | 23:49 |
| fenn | ok | 23:49 |
| fenn | qcad is good for 2d | 23:49 |
| fenn | i dont think heekscad should try to duplicate its functionality | 23:50 |
| fenn | one of the perils of working as an employee: you get awful oldies radio songs stuck in your head | 23:51 |
| gene | well I have the crappy version of qcad | 23:51 |
| fenn | what's the crappy version? | 23:51 |
| fenn | "community edition"? | 23:51 |
| gene | only works for 10 minutes and 100 hrs | 23:51 |
| fenn | i've never used the for-pay version so i cant comment | 23:51 |
| gene | yeah | 23:51 |
| fenn | dont do that | 23:51 |
| fenn | go to qcadbin-win.sf.net | 23:51 |
| kanzure | was gene not running the compiled version? | 23:52 |
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| gene | let's see if this works | 23:53 |
| gene | right now qcad is crashing on me when I try to save | 23:54 |
| kanzure | that would bail before the end of it | 23:54 |
| gene | damn my computer is running hot | 23:54 |
| kanzure | (11:54:38 PM) Amy Sun: i was hoping that vista wasn't so broken that we could use it for the lab machiens... | 23:54 |
| kanzure | kldfjlk;ad;kfadjl;fajskd | 23:55 |
| gene | and loud | 23:55 |
| gene | I'm running boinc | 23:55 |
| fenn | what is she thinking? | 23:55 |
| gene | kanzure you should run boinc | 23:55 |
| kanzure | this *hurts* | 23:55 |
| fenn | do they actually use any programs that require windows? | 23:55 |
| kanzure | nope | 23:55 |
| kanzure | she's complaining about vista stability issues | 23:56 |
| kanzure | because her keyboard is acting up | 23:56 |
| gene | heh | 23:56 |
| gene | I still need to install ubuntu | 23:56 |
| fenn | probably the CIA keylogger is interfering with the microsoft keylogger | 23:56 |
| kanzure | (11:57:12 PM) Amy Sun: a later arm of fabfolk is goign to be able to pay coders salaries to write and finish stuff for open source community | 23:57 |
| fenn | just make sure they get the license right, none of this "no commercial or military stuff" license crap | 23:58 |
| fenn | USE STANDARD LICENSES | 23:58 |
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