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| kanzure | from a distance I read "so.. that paper's cool .. there's no values or anything" | 00:27 |
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| fenn | nihilists.. | 00:38 |
| fenn | so er, how do you know treadwell again? | 01:02 |
| fenn | oh good it's not the microsoft guy :) | 01:04 |
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| kanzure | fenn: I stalked treadwell down over livejournal one day when I was searching for all chemists on livejournal | 01:17 |
| kanzure | and he was one of the polymathy sorts that turned up | 01:17 |
| kanzure | he subsequently moved down from ann arbor into (north) austin | 01:18 |
| kanzure | he claims "because of you" (me) | 01:18 |
| fenn | woah | 01:20 |
| kanzure | secretly my plot is to assemble a super legion of polymaths | 01:20 |
| * kanzure dawns an exoskeleton | 01:21 | |
| fenn | (it's "don" btw) | 01:22 |
| kanzure | fuck | 01:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | he has the exoskeleton, i think i'd be quiet ;-) | 01:40 |
| bkero | boxee is such a buggy piece of shit | 01:56 |
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| kanzure | huh, gmail doesn't work in lynx anymore. (had to resort to links2) | 08:43 |
| kanzure | or lynx doesn't have https support (which I find hard to believe) | 08:43 |
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| kanzure | any ideas on why my connection isn't consistently letting http go through? | 10:39 |
| fenn | bad dns, dropped packets, spazzy traffic shaping somewhere | 10:41 |
| fenn | for masochists only (dont say i didnt warn you) http://divajutta.com/doctormo/ubunchu/ubunchu-episode-01.pdf | 12:36 |
| fenn | just doing my job as a meme propagator | 12:36 |
| kanzure | I don't know if it's good or bad that http is still broken for me | 12:53 |
| fenn | weird | 13:09 |
| fenn | for some reason i typed 'sync' to write the disk cache | 13:09 |
| fenn | and like 5 seconds later the circuit breaker tripped | 13:09 |
| ybit | that was amusing and odd | 13:45 |
| kanzure | yay http is back up | 13:48 |
| kanzure | haha! foolish mortals! | 13:48 |
| kanzure | http://dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu/50-most-different/waterlifting-output/candidates180.xml.dot.png | 13:48 |
| kanzure | http://dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu/50-most-different/waterlifting-output/candidates172.xml.dot.png | 13:48 |
| kanzure | wtf are these doing in a "50 most different" dataset? | 13:48 |
| kanzure | http://dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu/clustering.zip | 13:48 |
| kanzure | http://sata.serveftp.org/~bryan/50-most-different.zip | 13:48 |
| kanzure | http://voiced.device.mst.edu/groups/VisualizeIT/blog/ | 14:17 |
| fenn | that STEP PDM stuff has absolutely nothing to do with SKDB | 15:06 |
| fenn | ok maybe section 4.. | 15:10 |
| fenn | this would be much less annoying as html | 15:11 |
| fenn | aha http://www.steptools.com/support/stdev_docs/express/pdm/html/index.html | 15:12 |
| fenn | no that's not really the same document is it | 15:13 |
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| kanzure | step pdm stuff? are you reading some old emails, or old IRC logs? | 15:16 |
| kanzure | gah, just hang on a sec while I remember all papers that I've recently read that have at least four sections and STEP in the title | 15:16 |
| kanzure | :-/ | 15:16 |
| kanzure | http://www.tracepartsonline.net/(S(d4nstqfbvfjgah45q252cg45))/global/index.aspx | 15:45 |
| kanzure | hrm. | 15:45 |
| fenn | recently mentioned by thomas paviot on pythonOCC list | 15:46 |
| fenn | which you then forwarded to OM | 15:46 |
| fenn | http://www.steptools.com/support/stdev_docs/express/pdm/pdmug_release4_3.pdf | 15:47 |
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| kanzure | hahaha | 15:49 |
| kanzure | http://www.graysonconsulting.biz/# | 15:49 |
| kanzure | "Because this site is 100% flash based it should be fast and responsive!" | 15:50 |
| kanzure | and I see this glitchy screen that's flickering and such | 15:50 |
| kanzure | hahah. | 15:50 |
| kanzure | oh crap that's xp_prg . | 15:51 |
| xp_prg | kanzure flickering how? | 15:52 |
| xp_prg | http://www.graysonconsulting.biz/download/diybiogfpprep.flv | 15:55 |
| xp_prg | check this out man! | 15:55 |
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| xp_prg | kanzure you here? | 16:49 |
| fenn | sweet, a 404, custom tailored for non-flash browsers | 17:08 |
| fenn | (there's not any flash on the 404 page) | 17:09 |
| fenn | sounds like you guys need a robot | 17:13 |
| xp_prg | ya it is still a work in progress | 17:14 |
| xp_prg | it is using 100% opensource tools however | 17:14 |
| fenn | what's wrong with html? | 17:14 |
| xp_prg | flash is major power | 17:14 |
| xp_prg | html is like pencil and paper to me | 17:15 |
| xp_prg | feen why doesn't kanzure talk to me? | 17:19 |
| fenn | probably has you on ignore | 17:24 |
| xp_prg | I hate that | 17:25 |
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| fenn | sounds like you guys are trying to make some kind of video tutorial | 17:39 |
| xp_prg | yup | 17:41 |
| kanzure | fenn: why does everyone ignore us | 17:42 |
| fenn | because writing code is un-sexy | 17:43 |
| kanzure | PP1 induces forgetting. DARPP-32 is a "potent" inhibitor of PP1. DARPP-32 purification protocol from bovine brain juice: http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/abstract/4/99 | 17:43 |
| kanzure | what about lolcatlang? is that sexy? | 17:43 |
| fenn | no | 17:43 |
| fenn | unless you're a furry :) | 17:43 |
| kanzure | did that blender model of maid may have a skeleton? | 17:44 |
| fenn | yes | 17:44 |
| kanzure | pinky, are you thinking what I'm thinking? | 17:44 |
| fenn | no | 17:44 |
| fenn | use maid-san as a virtual character for tutorials? | 17:44 |
| fenn | satsuki-san :P | 17:46 |
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| kanzure | yes | 17:46 |
| fenn | ok well, um.. i dunno how to do that | 17:47 |
| xp_prg | fenn did you like the video? | 17:47 |
| fenn | xp_prg: it's really long | 17:47 |
| xp_prg | but did you like it? | 17:47 |
| fenn | i hate videos.. they're so slow for the amount of information transmitted | 17:47 |
| xp_prg | :( | 17:47 |
| fenn | i feel like i'm in a committee meeting | 17:47 |
| xp_prg | can you pretend that you like it? | 17:48 |
| fenn | oh good they're out of time | 17:48 |
| kanzure | fenn: suppose you have computer-readable instructions for something about something. Convert those into a sequence of basic commands for Maid May to perform. the basic movements will not have to be too precise .. "lift box" -> hands in general region of the box ;-) | 17:48 |
| fenn | kanzure: you have to generate an assembly trajectory based on human kinematics | 17:48 |
| kanzure | a basic step would be to make her follow those trajectories/vectors | 17:49 |
| kanzure | which is not a big deal | 17:49 |
| fenn | i think it's harder than it seems | 17:49 |
| kanzure | figuring out a correct assembly sequence *and* correct trajectories would be somewhat of an issue, yes | 17:49 |
| fenn | people do all sorts of optimizations without even thinking about it, like setting something on a bench in the right way to push on it | 17:50 |
| kanzure | also, I <3 your om post | 17:50 |
| fenn | took too damn long to write | 17:50 |
| kanzure | I don't know if anybody is going to get your point | 17:50 |
| fenn | no, the dependency tree is only one level deep | 17:50 |
| kanzure | based off of historical evidence I mean | 17:50 |
| fenn | yeah and they're mostly clueless.. *sigh* | 17:51 |
| kanzure | heh, need to run through a multi-level optimization/constraint problem .. in words! (which is really the wrong format, but whatever) | 17:51 |
| kanzure | blah, okay- anyway- | 17:51 |
| fenn | i dont even know what the right format is | 17:51 |
| fenn | all i have is dreamland | 17:51 |
| kanzure | you know what, maybe we should assume that everyone is as stupid as a first prototype of a virtual character to showcase how to put something together | 17:53 |
| fenn | i can't think of things to make profitably that people will generally see as useful, because all the broadly useful items are already being mass produced | 17:53 |
| kanzure | in particular, only trajectories that involve no sequences of movements- i.e., only a "one step sweep" motion | 17:54 |
| fenn | kanzure: it's true, but they have built-in learning algorithms | 17:54 |
| fenn | "play' | 17:54 |
| kanzure | right right, but I just mean this for prototyping's sake | 17:54 |
| kanzure | since it seems like the only thing that people will understand is a demo video | 17:54 |
| kanzure | it's much easier if the problem space is restrained only to those assemblies that can be made with single-trajectory part mating/motions/fits thingies | 17:55 |
| fenn | i'd like to ship them an exoskeleton that moves their hands around to do stuff with real things | 17:55 |
| fenn | but then why do you need a human in the loop at all | 17:55 |
| kanzure | eww, weird scaling algos on the exoskeleton | 17:55 |
| fenn | i spose you could just do a pre-recorded VR simulation | 17:55 |
| fenn | scaling between human arm lengths? | 17:56 |
| kanzure | if you want to edit 20,000 frames of a maid, have fun with that | 17:56 |
| kanzure | wouldn't it be full body scaling? | 17:56 |
| kanzure | or just a one-size-fits-all suit :p | 17:56 |
| fenn | huh? | 17:56 |
| kanzure | there are certain body proportions | 17:56 |
| kanzure | I don't think it's just arms | 17:56 |
| fenn | yeah it's all connected | 17:57 |
| fenn | harnessing armies of robot clams to do good work | 17:58 |
| fenn | you know they make pearls by putting a sphere in an oyster and letting it add the last layer on top | 17:58 |
| fenn | tito's wrong; the technology isn't that complex | 17:59 |
| fenn | it's just secretive and over-engineered by instrument makers | 17:59 |
| fenn | kanzure: you know, i'd love to have a rigged model of wiki-chan | 18:00 |
| fenn | er, wikipetan | 18:03 |
| fenn | wiki-tan? weird name | 18:03 |
| kanzure | the ostan for mediawiki? | 18:13 |
| kanzure | * OStan | 18:13 |
| fenn | why is it -tan? that's not even japanese | 18:14 |
| kanzure | * OSchan? | 18:14 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-tan | 18:14 |
| fenn | Chin and tan are mispronunciations stereotypically attributed to small children and are thus perceived as baby talk | 18:15 |
| fenn | mmm "smells like babies" | 18:20 |
| fenn | decayed, dried babies | 18:20 |
| fenn | huh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:3DWikipe-tan.jpg | 18:23 |
| fenn | the program is specifically for 3d anime characters?? | 18:25 |
| fenn | xp_prg: when they made plates at IU they poured the plates non-sterile, then autoclaved the plates, so they're sterile right up until you first open the lid | 18:27 |
| fenn | i guess you need glass plates for that | 18:31 |
| fenn | should wear baking gloves so you don't burn yourself with agar | 18:32 |
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| fenn | amazing it works | 18:34 |
| fenn | (the 3d wiki-chan viewer program) | 18:34 |
| fenn | http://imagebin.org/44978 | 18:36 |
| fenn | that's a pretty cool rendering engine | 18:45 |
| fenn | phew finally that video's over | 18:52 |
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| fenn | sweet, a mascot for everyone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Conservape-tan.png | 19:08 |
| xp_prg | fenn excellent advice! | 19:24 |
| kanzure | gaah | 19:56 |
| kanzure | http://www.mendeley.com/ | 19:56 |
| kanzure | http://www.mendeley.com/profiles/bryan-bishop | 19:56 |
| kanzure | automatic paper metadata extraction | 19:56 |
| kanzure | and apparently also "group sharing" of paper reading | 19:57 |
| kanzure | hm I should run it on my rip of nature | 20:09 |
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| kanzure | is there a preferably safe way to pass a crazily-named string to the shell (it's a filename)? | 21:45 |
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| kanzure | okay :) it's separating finally | 21:54 |
| kanzure | who wants access to nature since the dawn of time? (see, I know how to use it right) | 21:54 |
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| genehacker | kanzure I sent you that free cad thing | 23:00 |
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| kanzure | genehacker: yeah, I haven't ripped it yet but it looks interesting | 23:11 |
| kanzure | hello oublei | 23:11 |
| oublei | Hello kanzure. | 23:11 |
| kanzure | What's up? | 23:13 |
| oublei | Not much. How about you? | 23:14 |
| kanzure | Stealing nature. | 23:14 |
| oublei | How does one steal nature? | 23:15 |
| kanzure | WWW::Mechanize | 23:15 |
| kanzure | what brings you here? | 23:15 |
| oublei | bkero recommended that I join. :] | 23:16 |
| kanzure | are you an osouso termite? | 23:16 |
| kanzure | :) | 23:16 |
| kanzure | I think I spelled that wrong | 23:16 |
| oublei | I don't know what osouso is, so I guess not... | 23:16 |
| oublei | Haha | 23:16 |
| genehacker | one can steal nature by going down the bottom of the ocean and patenting some bacterial genes from hydrothermal vents | 23:17 |
| oublei | I'm a bioinformatics student at OSU, if that's what you were going for. :] | 23:17 |
| kanzure | hm, no, I was specifically thinking of the open source lab at OSU, but whatever | 23:18 |
| kanzure | say, could you find me a mechanism of increasing DARPP-32 levels via supplements or something? | 23:18 |
| oublei | Oh, no, I'm not involved with the OSL. | 23:19 |
| oublei | And, no, I couldn't. :x | 23:19 |
| genehacker | could you BLAST a wall away oublei? | 23:19 |
| kanzure | are you sure you're doing bioinformatics? heh' | 23:19 |
| oublei | I was honestly hoping to lurk, but if we would like to talk about how terrible of a program I am in, I'm game. :] | 23:19 |
| kanzure | oh, lurk away | 23:20 |
| * fenn lurks | 23:20 | |
| kanzure | I caught you delurking! | 23:20 |
| * kanzure attacks and takes 200 coin | 23:20 | |
| fenn | crap. engage lurking fields! | 23:20 |
| oublei | I recently changed majors. Haven't learned anything bioinformaticiany yet, which is unfortunate. | 23:20 |
| kanzure | no use! increase forward fire power! | 23:20 |
| oublei | It is my understanding that I won't be doing much later, either. | 23:20 |
| fenn | set away status to maximum! | 23:21 |
| kanzure | what! it's over 9000! | 23:21 |
| kanzure | but really, mendeley is awesome | 23:21 |
| genehacker | what was your prevmajor? | 23:22 |
| oublei | genehacker: biological anthropology. | 23:23 |
| fenn | oublei: don't expect to learn anything in school | 23:23 |
| kanzure | so, was that like Margaret Mead meets Lynn Margulis? | 23:23 |
| fenn | if you want to learn it, go do stuff, read current things | 23:23 |
| fenn | biobricks could sure use some help | 23:23 |
| oublei | fenn: that is my intention! | 23:24 |
| genehacker | could you also make a handy make sequence IRL button? | 23:25 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/papers/DARPP-32.bib <- 60 references about DARPP-32 and PIP1 re: regulation of forgetting | 23:26 |
| kanzure | wait, that's PP1, not PIP1 | 23:26 |
| fenn | too much PP on the brain | 23:29 |
| fenn | PP head | 23:29 |
| kanzure | my psychology lecturer professor guy thingy actually gives proper citations during his lectures | 23:30 |
| kanzure | it's quite amazing, somebody doing something right | 23:30 |
| kanzure | it's how I scoped out PP1. | 23:31 |
| fenn | cool | 23:34 |
| bkero | kanzure: oublei is cools | 23:41 |
| genehacker | yeah he is | 23:42 |
| oublei | She. :] | 23:43 |
| genehacker | sorry | 23:43 |
| oublei | No worries. :] | 23:44 |
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