| --- Day changed Tue May 05 2009 | ||
| ybit | decent video to watch while chowing on lunch: http://vodpod.com/watch/1081030-henry-markram-designing-the-human-mind | 01:02 |
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| kanzure- | is this new? | 01:02 |
| ybit | oct. 2008 | 01:02 |
| ybit | i haven't seen it yet, i just kind of figured that it's decent | 01:02 |
| kanzure- | "biological refinement strategy" was a slide from the 2005 presentation, but it wasn't readable | 01:09 |
| -!- any60077089 is now known as katsmeow-afk | 01:10 | |
| kanzure- | "plug in biological data and get a brain out on the other side" | 01:16 |
| kanzure- | fenn: awake? | 01:33 |
| xp_prg | the brain is more complex then they think it is | 01:38 |
| kanzure- | than who thinks it is? | 01:39 |
| genehacker | so kanzure you remember that program we used for CFD? | 03:38 |
| genehacker | can it solve ODE's? | 03:38 |
| kanzure | "Neurons in the orbitofrontal cortex encode economic value" <- wtf | 03:49 |
| kanzure | yeah, but I wouldn't suggest using it | 03:49 |
| kanzure | go get octave or maxima | 03:49 |
| kanzure | or sympy | 03:49 |
| genehacker | hmmm | 03:52 |
| genehacker | probably not allowed to do that in retrospect | 03:52 |
| genehacker | though there is no rule against it... | 03:53 |
| kanzure | my head hurts. | 03:57 |
| genehacker | hahaha | 04:18 |
| genehacker | this working model documentation says working model can do some pretty crazy stuff | 04:32 |
| genehacker | like access other applications | 04:35 |
| kanzure- | all applications can do that. | 04:39 |
| kanzure- | that's called programming and APIs... and stuff. | 04:39 |
| genehacker | this is something that's going to be running on my teacher's computer | 04:41 |
| genehacker | hmmm.... | 04:42 |
| genehacker | it's just something I didn't expect from a program like this | 04:44 |
| kanzure- | why are you doing homework on the week of final exams | 04:50 |
| genehacker | it isn't final exams week yet | 04:51 |
| genehacker | this is a bonus lab | 04:52 |
| genehacker | IE make a pool trick shot with a kinematic modeller | 04:52 |
| kanzure- | CEO position at Alcor is open | 05:00 |
| kanzure- | any takers? | 05:00 |
| kanzure- | they are about to nominate an Austin-area church advocate who wrote a childrens' book on cryonics | 05:01 |
| wrldpc_ | wow | 05:01 |
| -!- any17551714 is now known as katsmeow | 05:03 | |
| kanzure- | wonder what happened to the last CEO | 05:06 |
| kanzure- | cue cryogenics jokes. | 05:06 |
| genehacker | he's in storage | 05:07 |
| genehacker | why would working model want to change the desktop wallpaper? | 05:19 |
| kanzure- | across-int1 = (across-int2 * 2)/D_gear | 05:28 |
| kanzure- | across2 = (across-int1*D_gear)/2 | 05:29 |
| kanzure- | across-int2 = (across-int1*D_gear)/2 | 05:29 |
| kanzure- | what's the point of this | 05:29 |
| kanzure- | across-int2 is defined as across-int1, and across-int1 is defined as across-int2 | 05:29 |
| kanzure- | this is retarded | 05:29 |
| genehacker | ????] | 05:35 |
| -!- katsmeow is now known as katsmeow-afk | 06:04 | |
| kanzure- | linear, proportional, .. what's next? logarithmic, right? | 06:25 |
| kanzure- | ah, logarithmic proportionalities | 06:26 |
| kanzure- | genehacker: do you see many logarithmic proportionalities between basic machine elements in the designs you look at? | 06:29 |
| genehacker | ??? | 06:32 |
| genehacker | log function cam? | 06:32 |
| genehacker | I'm not sure what you mean | 06:33 |
| kanzure | is there a log function cam? | 06:49 |
| genehacker | yeah | 06:51 |
| genehacker | there are sin computers | 06:51 |
| genehacker | you name it | 06:51 |
| genehacker | what the fuck is a recursion function | 06:51 |
| kanzure | are you serious? | 06:51 |
| genehacker | yes | 06:51 |
| kanzure | a recursive function is one that, essentially, calls itself | 06:52 |
| genehacker | function result=mysteriousfunction( x ) | 06:52 |
| genehacker | if ( x == 0 ) | 06:52 |
| genehacker | result = 0; | 06:52 |
| genehacker | else | 06:52 |
| genehacker | result = x + mysteriousfunction( x - 1 ); | 06:52 |
| genehacker | end | 06:52 |
| kanzure | right | 06:52 |
| genehacker | what does this do? | 06:52 |
| genehacker | I know what it does for zero | 06:52 |
| kanzure | well, what happens when you call it for x=5 | 06:52 |
| genehacker | I get 15 | 06:52 |
| kanzure | result = x + result = x-1 + result = x-2 + result = x-3 + result = x-4 + result = x-5 + .. | 06:53 |
| kanzure | er, except that my syntax sucks | 06:53 |
| genehacker | oh | 06:53 |
| genehacker | ok | 06:53 |
| kanzure | result = x + (result = x-1 + (result = x-2 + (result = x-3 + (result = x-4 + (result = x-5 + ..))))) | 06:53 |
| genehacker | ok | 06:53 |
| kanzure | make sense? | 06:54 |
| genehacker | I can see why they are awesome now | 06:54 |
| * kanzure sighs | 06:54 | |
| genehacker | anyway look up logarithmic follower cam | 06:55 |
| genehacker | no wait | 06:56 |
| genehacker | look up basic fire control mechanisms it's in there | 06:58 |
| genehacker | http://www.hnsa.org/doc/op1140/op1140-2.pdf | 07:04 |
| genehacker | somewhere in cams I think | 07:04 |
| genehacker | why do you ask? | 07:05 |
| kanzure | because I don't trust this paper | 07:05 |
| kanzure | it's basically claiming that proportional relations are enough for every mechanical design problem | 07:05 |
| kanzure | proportional relations between variables of different mechanisms, basically | 07:05 |
| genehacker | hmmmm... | 07:06 |
| genehacker | take a look at some disk integrators then | 07:07 |
| ybit | http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7493337&page=1 :: "brain bucket" mri | 08:55 |
| -!- fenn_ is now known as fenn | 09:59 | |
| kardan_ | hi there | 13:48 |
| kardan_ | is there a bank or foundation for open source hardware | 13:48 |
| kardan_ | my idea is this: there are plenty of useful projects which should be supported. | 13:50 |
| kardan_ | we could organize the distribution in the way that parts go to the foundation | 13:52 |
| kardan_ | .. which will purchase resources in bigger amounts what is cheaper | 13:54 |
| fenn | kardan__i: yes, see http://oshwbank.org/ but it's new and unproven and possibly only for investing and not "group buys" | 14:40 |
| fenn | reprap research foundation was doing group buy stuff (sort of) until the guy doing all the work 'sold out' | 14:41 |
| fenn | i must admit i dont really understand the concept | 14:43 |
| -!- Utopiah is now known as UtopiahGHML | 14:47 | |
| xp_prg | what is mtDNA? | 17:18 |
| xp_prg | SNP chip from Affymetrix (SNP 6) is there a picture of this chip? | 17:22 |
| -!- kardan__i is now known as kardan | 17:41 | |
| kardan | fenni i googled reprap - its a great site | 18:02 |
| kardan | -i | 18:02 |
| kanzure | sleep sucks. where have the hours of my day gone? | 18:43 |
| wrldpc_ | What are some alternate forms of computation besides electrically-based logic gates. | 21:08 |
| wrldpc_ | silicon-based logic gates with electrical premises. | 21:09 |
| wrldpc_ | can't you compute with droplets of water? | 21:09 |
| wrldpc_ | bacteria? | 21:09 |
| fenn | bubbles | 21:10 |
| fenn | quantum states | 21:10 |
| fenn | just about anything really | 21:10 |
| fenn | the trick is finding something quick, convenient, and reliable | 21:11 |
| fenn | there is even a 'journal of unconventional computation' | 21:11 |
| kanzure- | graphene chip stuff | 21:11 |
| kanzure- | DNA. (baaad) | 21:11 |
| kanzure- | proteins.. | 21:11 |
| fenn | just saying DNA or protein doesn't really explain what sort of mechanism you're using | 21:12 |
| kanzure- | sorry | 21:12 |
| fenn | s'ok | 21:12 |
| kanzure- | wrldpc_: what are you actually asking | 21:12 |
| wrldpc_ | excellent ... I'm just responding to this lady in regards to the mishandling of the application of x-ray and chemical technologies in the early 50s that (according to her) resulted in all kinds of nasty collateral damage. | 21:14 |
| kanzure- | fenn: I have the adesign source code. | 21:15 |
| kanzure- | now I just have to act like I understand lisp | 21:15 |
| kanzure- | so I was wondering what to do.. I got some data from the algae lab stuff, | 21:28 |
| kanzure- | but all of the data has no labels | 21:28 |
| fenn | wrldpc_: chemicals + x-rays + ignorance != functional computer | 21:39 |
| wrldpc_ | yeah i realize that | 21:39 |
| wrldpc_ | but the manufacturing of computers is wasteful and toxic ... a new computational paradigm whereby we GROW our computers vs. smith them would prove more ecologically prudent. | 21:40 |
| wrldpc_ | whatever. my convo with her is a play. | 21:40 |
| fenn | just don't say 'genetically modified' | 21:41 |
| fenn | my brother was working on some photonic crystal stuff.. optical circuits made of nothing but silica microspheres | 21:43 |
| fenn | the circuit properties arise from empty spots in the lattice | 21:43 |
| kanzure | fenn has a brother? | 21:44 |
| fenn | sergeant sandwich is his latest handle | 21:44 |
| kanzure | on what | 21:45 |
| fenn | am i my brother's keeper? | 21:45 |
| kanzure | what? | 21:45 |
| fenn | -- Genesis 4:9 (thank you, google) | 21:46 |
| xp_prg | wrldpc_ that is a project I want to do! | 21:47 |
| wrldpc_ | compute pi with water droplets? | 21:47 |
| fenn | contemplate your navel with your navel? | 21:48 |
| wrldpc_ | whoa cool fenn re: crystal computation | 21:48 |
| fenn | i have the paper around here somewhere | 21:48 |
| wrldpc_ | yo dawg | 21:48 |
| fenn | kanzure: please chmod +t /var/www/papers/ on adl.serveftp.org | 21:54 |
| fenn | and o+w | 21:56 |
| fenn | i guess sticky bit isnt actually necessary | 21:56 |
| kanzure | what's wrong with /var/www/papers ? | 22:00 |
| fenn | i can't put stuff there | 22:01 |
| kanzure | ok, done | 22:01 |
| fenn | muwahahahaha | 22:01 |
| kanzure | ? | 22:01 |
| fenn | oh, excuse me. | 22:01 |
| kanzure | I think a+rw would have been more nefarious | 22:02 |
| fenn | um, that's essentially what you just did | 22:02 |
| fenn | so.. here is that paper http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/lipkowitz_photonic_crystal_defects.pdf | 22:03 |
| katsmeow-afk | besides, it redirects to /apache2-default, and | 22:04 |
| katsmeow-afk | From: http://adl.serveftp.org/apache2-default/ | 22:04 |
| katsmeow-afk | Not Found | 22:04 |
| fenn | does not | 22:05 |
| kanzure | should I be rsyncing' to adl.serveftp.org for /books/papers/ on heybryan.org/ | 22:13 |
| kanzure | ? | 22:13 |
| kanzure | would anyone find that helpful/useful | 22:13 |
| * kanzure is making boxes for packing | 22:14 | |
| xp_prg | kanzure you moving? | 22:15 |
| * fenn is packing boxes for making | 22:15 | |
| fenn | oops i said a dirty word | 22:15 |
| kanzure | for doing what now? | 22:15 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: yes | 22:15 |
| kanzure | I'm moving to the moon | 22:15 |
| xp_prg | where you moving to? | 22:15 |
| kanzure | the moon | 22:15 |
| fenn | the dark side of the sun | 22:15 |
| xp_prg | do you have a uhaul spaceship? | 22:15 |
| kanzure | uh, I have my own trailer | 22:16 |
| kanzure | thank you very much | 22:16 |
| xp_prg | and it is a spaceship trailer? | 22:16 |
| kanzure | if I say yes, you're always going to want to be using it | 22:17 |
| xp_prg | that is true | 22:17 |
| fenn | are you going to ride the bus to school or what? | 22:18 |
| kanzure | bus, maybe biking | 22:18 |
| fenn | i attempted to ride to campus yesterday to see how bad it was.. piece of crap bike had a tear in the tire and went flat at about 6th street | 22:19 |
| fenn | so then i got to see how long it takes to walk back from downtown :) | 22:19 |
| * xp_prg hugs fenn so he won't be sad about his tire | 22:20 | |
| fenn | the new tire has these enormous knobs on it.. the rim is wobbly so the knobs rub against the frame | 22:20 |
| fenn | did i mention i hate mountain bikes? | 22:20 |
| kanzure | I'm not getting a mountain bike, as it turns out | 22:22 |
| kanzure | I don't know how I am able to afford any of this | 22:22 |
| fenn | how much is th rent? | 22:23 |
| xp_prg | kanzure are you moving to california? | 22:24 |
| fenn | yes, we're all going to sleep on your couch for three months | 22:25 |
| fenn | not at the same time | 22:25 |
| fenn | in an ambulatory, wave-like fashion | 22:25 |
| * fenn gets out the bilge pump | 22:25 | |
| xp_prg | kanzure where are you moving to?! | 22:29 |
| fenn | xp_prg: hey. i'm curious, how do you actually make money? | 22:30 |
| fenn | i mean, there must be some mechanism that causes people to eventually give you some | 22:32 |
| fenn | guess i scared everybody off | 22:38 |
| kanzure | I was eating | 22:41 |
| xp_prg | I make computer software, what do you do fenn? | 22:46 |
| fenn | xp_prg: you evaded the question. what i want to know is how you actually convince people to give you money | 22:47 |
| xp_prg | with computer software I make | 22:47 |
| fenn | so do you make the software first and then somehow convince them they should pay you? | 22:48 |
| fenn | and how do you know anyone will want it? | 22:48 |
| xp_prg | well I have an interview, then they see how good I am, and hire me and stuff | 22:48 |
| kanzure | .. | 22:48 |
| kanzure | why is it that jobfulness seems to be inversely proportional to intelligence? | 22:48 |
| fenn | hey, what? hire you.. | 22:48 |
| fenn | i thought you said you made computer software and they give you money in return | 22:49 |
| xp_prg | yes for my job | 22:49 |
| fenn | kanzure: the grocery store never called back :( | 22:49 |
| xp_prg | I helped kanzure with software and he liked it :> | 22:49 |
| kanzure | you were the most terrible programmer ever | 22:50 |
| kanzure | what are you talking about | 22:50 |
| xp_prg | well you put it in your repository! | 22:50 |
| kanzure | where? | 22:50 |
| xp_prg | I don't know you said you did | 22:50 |
| fenn | xp_prg: ok so people give you money because you satisfy some kind of job requirements, is this correct? | 22:50 |
| xp_prg | yes | 22:50 |
| kanzure | do you negotiate those requirements upfront? | 22:50 |
| fenn | xp_prg: what are the job requirements? | 22:50 |
| xp_prg | to implement user requirements in software on time, on budget, and within performance/quality metrics | 22:51 |
| fenn | ok 'on budget' is clearly fluff since you're getting paid | 22:52 |
| fenn | 'on time' is probably the only realistically quantifiable variable | 22:53 |
| fenn | so i think there's more to it than just getting the job done on time | 22:53 |
| xp_prg | that is all it is | 22:56 |
| xp_prg | fenn what do you do for money? | 22:56 |
| fenn | xp_prg: what do you do in order to get an interview? | 22:56 |
| fenn | xp_prg: nobody will give me any money, it's the damnedest thing | 22:57 |
| fenn | i can sing and dance and jump through flaming hoops but i guess it doesn't matter | 22:57 |
| xp_prg | well you have to show confidence, get your resume out there and stuff | 22:58 |
| fenn | how many different applications would you say it takes before you land a job? | 22:59 |
| fenn | wait, how many applications before you get an interview | 22:59 |
| xp_prg | fenn do you love software development? | 22:59 |
| xp_prg | does it show? | 22:59 |
| fenn | well.. i do it in my copious spare time | 22:59 |
| xp_prg | do you do side projects just for fun and for free? | 22:59 |
| fenn | yes | 23:00 |
| xp_prg | do you have a computer science degree? | 23:00 |
| fenn | no | 23:00 |
| xp_prg | ok just get one of those first, and also a masters will help | 23:00 |
| fenn | do people really consider that? | 23:00 |
| xp_prg | it seems they do in my life | 23:00 |
| fenn | do you have a computer science degree? | 23:01 |
| xp_prg | yes and 2 masters | 23:03 |
| fenn | 2 masters degrees? what ever for? | 23:03 |
| xp_prg | cuz they were free | 23:03 |
| xp_prg | and it helps my career | 23:04 |
| fenn | hm. state sponsored schooling? | 23:04 |
| fenn | is there like some kind of test you can take and you get to skip all the intro bullshit classes? | 23:05 |
| xp_prg | yes you can clep out | 23:05 |
| xp_prg | I recommend getting certifications for 100.00 and sylvan learning test centers | 23:05 |
| xp_prg | that will jump start your career fast | 23:05 |
| xp_prg | help people all irc channels with programming problems gtoo | 23:06 |
| xp_prg | dress seductively in interviews | 23:06 |
| fenn | um. seductively eh | 23:06 |
| xp_prg | do you know how to look sexy to someone? | 23:07 |
| fenn | do they teach that in school? | 23:07 |
| xp_prg | no | 23:07 |
| xp_prg | you have to learn that on your own | 23:07 |
| xp_prg | practice with kanzure | 23:08 |
| fenn | oh god no | 23:08 |
| fenn | sorry kanzure | 23:08 |
| fenn | man this is all such a scam | 23:09 |
| fenn | a multi trillion dollar a year scam | 23:09 |
| xp_prg | fenn where do you live? | 23:10 |
| fenn | austin, tx right now | 23:10 |
| xp_prg | ok move to CA silicon valley immediately | 23:10 |
| xp_prg | Only two things exist in Texas | 23:11 |
| xp_prg | one of them gets along in CA well | 23:11 |
| fenn | steers? | 23:11 |
| fenn | xp_prg: how many hours a week do you work? and what percentage of that goes toward paying rent and taxes (such as car insurance) | 23:12 |
| xp_prg | alot | 23:13 |
| xp_prg | queers | 23:13 |
| fenn | ok how much goes to just rent | 23:13 |
| xp_prg | alot | 23:13 |
| fenn | percent, ballpark figure | 23:13 |
| xp_prg | after taxes like 20% | 23:14 |
| fenn | i'm asking this because if i have to pay the same amount for rent as someone with 2 masters degrees, it may not even be possible | 23:14 |
| fenn | oh, 20% is not bad | 23:15 |
| fenn | so, in CA where queers are plentiful, for a male to dress 'seductively' at an interview is a significant factor? | 23:16 |
| xp_prg | the other approach is to marry into wealth | 23:16 |
| xp_prg | yes very | 23:16 |
| fenn | sometimes i wish i were queer, at least it would be an excuse | 23:17 |
| fenn | there's no "fenn-pride" movement you know | 23:18 |
| xp_prg | fenn how old are you? | 23:19 |
| fenn | so the world just hates me for no particular reason | 23:19 |
| fenn | as of saturday i am 27 | 23:19 |
| xp_prg | happy birthday man! | 23:19 |
| xp_prg | are you of an ethnic origin? | 23:19 |
| fenn | people accuse me of being jewish on occasion | 23:20 |
| fenn | i think i'm mostly english by blood | 23:20 |
| xp_prg | ok | 23:20 |
| xp_prg | well get out of | 23:20 |
| xp_prg | Texas in a hurry | 23:20 |
| fenn | hm. | 23:20 |
| fenn | i have a hard time seeing how this would work | 23:21 |
| fenn | thanks for your support and for answering most of my questions | 23:22 |
| fenn | oh, you never answered the important one: how many applications until you get an interview | 23:22 |
| xp_prg | 100 | 23:23 |
| fenn | seriously | 23:24 |
| xp_prg | yes | 23:24 |
| fenn | well ok, how many interviews before you land a job? | 23:25 |
| xp_prg | 1 | 23:25 |
| fenn | do you use automated thingies like monster.com? | 23:25 |
| xp_prg | sometimes, use everything and anything | 23:26 |
| xp_prg | use your seductive qualities and charms | 23:26 |
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