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| fenn | like, shouldnt there be a zillion bioinformatics grad students just foaming at the mouth for a project like this? | 00:00 |
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| kanzure | something is wrong with the internet, maybe | 00:00 |
| kanzure | I have been wondering why freenode is so small | 00:00 |
| kanzure | only 200 to 500 people in #math is depressing, for instance | 00:00 |
| fenn | freenode is ~50,000 people? | 00:01 |
| fenn | yes | 00:01 |
| kanzure | it's more by luck than by raw skillage that I was able to find somebody like drtread for instance | 00:01 |
| kanzure | that was due to just searching over livejournal recursively for material scientists | 00:02 |
| fenn | part of it is that freenode is sort of hidden in the bowels of the net | 00:02 |
| kanzure | but surely there should be more people out there somewhere | 00:02 |
| fenn | i mean how would someone into math find #math | 00:02 |
| kanzure | but I'm on most of the mailing lists that matter, most of the forums that matter, and there's just .. not many people. | 00:02 |
| kanzure | consider the active percents of each of the forums that I am subscribed to. | 00:02 |
| kanzure | each board has maybe 10% activity of their memberbase | 00:02 |
| kanzure | and even then that doesn't tell us where the hell all of these grad students or undergrads are going off too | 00:03 |
| fenn | like i said, we're up against the whole fucking capitalist empire | 00:03 |
| kanzure | *off to | 00:03 |
| kanzure | deep dark belly of The Man might be their destination | 00:03 |
| kanzure | but there's a whole generation of people that grew up with popular IM clients | 00:03 |
| fenn | when people have to spend 95% of their time and energy on Bullshit they dont have much left for progressive activities | 00:03 |
| kanzure | for instance, I wasn't really expecting campbell to be IM-friendly, but it turns out that the generation that grew up with IM is just about old enough to start influencing me like that | 00:03 |
| fenn | what do you mean 'influencing me like that'? | 00:04 |
| kanzure | but it's not really easy for me to track down new IM contacts | 00:04 |
| kanzure | er, I mean, appearing in the corporate/social institutions and so on | 00:04 |
| kanzure | i.e., places where "old folks" are :p | 00:04 |
| fenn | oh i see | 00:04 |
| fenn | significant opportunity for self advancement by way of IM | 00:04 |
| kanzure | I started on the net when the net wasn't really all that cool .. so nobody did IM stuff, and you'd never expect a guy in a suit to know about it | 00:04 |
| kanzure | but now all of the IM kiddies have long been graduated from college | 00:05 |
| fenn | well. campbell also knows lisp and emacs | 00:05 |
| kanzure | that's what *he* says | 00:05 |
| kanzure | that's still under investigation heh | 00:05 |
| fenn | heh | 00:05 |
| fenn | fair enough | 00:05 |
| fenn | so should we just put up flyers around the bio/cs department or something? | 00:06 |
| kanzure | hm. | 00:06 |
| fenn | "leet hackers needed for bio protocol standardization project" | 00:06 |
| kanzure | might as well, as cheesey as that is. | 00:07 |
| fenn | send your resume to... | 00:07 |
| kanzure | the one with the most terrible resume wins, or something | 00:07 |
| fenn | applicants must be self-starters, clueful individualists, etc | 00:08 |
| kanzure | I don't think that works. | 00:08 |
| kanzure | although | 00:08 |
| fenn | that == posting flyers? | 00:08 |
| kanzure | yeah. | 00:08 |
| fenn | it's a low amplification medium sure | 00:08 |
| kanzure | but one way to get this done might be to use the lab professor telephone game system | 00:08 |
| kanzure | apparently professors, when doing projects, randomly make requests to other professors, and things "get done" | 00:08 |
| fenn | O RLY | 00:09 |
| fenn | somehow i doubt things really ever 'get done' in academia | 00:09 |
| kanzure | somehow sata is able to work his telephone | 00:09 |
| fenn | perhaps they write a paper about it or something | 00:09 |
| kanzure | it's a magical machine that seems to make anything happen | 00:09 |
| kanzure | "ok, we now have a graduate who knows how to do PDMS castings. he will be here at lunch." | 00:09 |
| fenn | tool of the devil is what it is | 00:09 |
| ybit | "Not all iGEM teams will need wetlab space, however. Teams competing in the new software tools track, which is focused on developing computational tools that enable the engineering of biology with standard biological parts, will not necessarily need a wetlab." | 00:10 |
| ybit | but it doesn't seem igem wants to cooperate with diybio | 00:10 |
| fenn | that sounds like a recipe for disaster | 00:10 |
| fenn | bio students + computers | 00:10 |
| kanzure | fenn: way back in the day, I used to be a meanie in a kind of .. hurd of meanies on the internet. | 00:11 |
| kanzure | we somehow were filtering newbies for teh l33tz0rz | 00:11 |
| kanzure | and the newbies that were stupid enough to stick around, | 00:11 |
| kanzure | we'd hate them into oblivion until they became competent or something | 00:11 |
| kanzure | it was weird | 00:11 |
| kanzure | I wonder how that worked.. | 00:11 |
| kanzure | anyway, they would then be transformed and almost "uplifted"- in a really weird way- into somewhat productive individuals | 00:15 |
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| kanzure | fenn: this was back in the day when I still bothered to teach people about programming over IM :p | 00:15 |
| bkero | ybit: Things are going fine. Quite a difficult time at school | 00:15 |
| kanzure | fenn: oh. instead of a working group, how about just a lab? "the kanzure virtual laboratory for awesomeness". | 00:16 |
| kanzure | except without that name | 00:16 |
| fenn | gasp. bkero admits weakness! | 00:16 |
| kanzure | it's under 9000 :( | 00:17 |
| kanzure | I like the idea of a lab "led" by me. | 00:18 |
| fenn | kanzure: so, yet another more or less undirected social group? kinda like this channel? | 00:18 |
| kanzure | I thought you were all for working groups? | 00:18 |
| kanzure | isn't this a working group? | 00:18 |
| fenn | sure it's a boost to your ego but it won't result in getting anything done any more than what we already have | 00:18 |
| bkero | fenn: Ssh. I'm slightly human. My mother was human, myself, a god. | 00:18 |
| fenn | it's not a working group unless there's a specific goal with end conditions | 00:18 |
| kanzure | oh. | 00:19 |
| fenn | you see what i'm saying? | 00:19 |
| fenn | openmanufacturing is way too vague and undirected; same for luf-team and diybio and hplusroadmap | 00:20 |
| kanzure | no. it seems goals would have to be synchronized, er, magically? | 00:20 |
| fenn | for a bio protocol standardization working group one of your goals could be a magic xml format that does x y and z | 00:20 |
| kanzure | one of the problems with particular projects is that you kind of dig yourself into a hole | 00:21 |
| kanzure | for instance, I'm glad we haven't dug ourselves into too much of a hole with the skdb data structures just yet | 00:21 |
| kanzure | but you can't find people that want to do that .. | 00:21 |
| kanzure | so what does it matter? | 00:21 |
| fenn | how do you know? | 00:21 |
| kanzure | because we're it | 00:21 |
| fenn | it's only been like 6 months | 00:21 |
| kanzure | how long do I need to be ranting about it before people start raising their hands | 00:22 |
| fenn | well. throwing money at it probably couldnt hurt (not that you have that kind of money) | 00:22 |
| kanzure | I have .. some. | 00:22 |
| fenn | you dont have enough | 00:22 |
| fenn | if you only have enough money to hire one programmer you run the risk of another xp_prg disaster | 00:23 |
| kanzure | but then you have the same damn problems finding programmers | 00:24 |
| kanzure | "send in your resumes" <- you only get people with resumes.. | 00:24 |
| fenn | yes and it takes more than just money | 00:24 |
| fenn | but! | 00:24 |
| kanzure | I like the other method | 00:24 |
| kanzure | the way that I found you.. | 00:24 |
| fenn | you could hire known clueful people like mlp | 00:24 |
| kanzure | hm. | 00:24 |
| fenn | why isnt she working on it already? | 00:25 |
| kanzure | no clue | 00:25 |
| kanzure | she claims she understands, and I believe her, | 00:25 |
| kanzure | but for some reason it's not happening? | 00:25 |
| fenn | life | 00:25 |
| fenn | too many projects probably | 00:25 |
| kanzure | gee | 00:25 |
| * fenn mutters something about clones | 00:26 | |
| kanzure | but project management stuff is kinda meta and should be kinda an ideal way to spend time/energy/effort/flow/bondgraphs-oh-crap-cadr-car-cdr-lisplisplisp | 00:26 |
| fenn | and time machines, we'll need a few of those | 00:26 |
| kanzure | too bad my brother is an idiot | 00:26 |
| fenn | you have a brother? | 00:26 |
| kanzure | yes | 00:26 |
| kanzure | andrew, 17 | 00:27 |
| kanzure | carissa, 13 | 00:27 |
| fenn | ok any other known clueful bio+programming savvy people? | 00:28 |
| kanzure | what do you mean by 'known' | 00:28 |
| kanzure | for instance, dan bolser shows up in here from time to time | 00:29 |
| kanzure | but I haven't seen any actual evidence of stuff coming from him | 00:29 |
| fenn | when you look at stuff they write and it coincides with your own views of how things ought to work | 00:29 |
| kanzure | eh, I guess | 00:29 |
| fenn | i'll admit it's relative/subjective, not absolute | 00:29 |
| fenn | but that's all i have to go on | 00:29 |
| kanzure | but I mean, mlp I've actually seen spouting out *nix chick stuff | 00:29 |
| kanzure | but bolser hasn't. | 00:30 |
| kanzure | bkero hasn't either for the most part :p | 00:30 |
| fenn | maybe he's just not as geeky | 00:30 |
| fenn | heh that's all bkero talks about | 00:30 |
| kanzure | bkero only talks of bkero | 00:30 |
| fenn | clusters and uptime | 00:30 |
| fenn | yeah and how much money he's wasting living it up etc | 00:30 |
| fenn | anyway i dont mean to judge | 00:31 |
| fenn | but you see there are procedures for determining whether someone is clueful or not | 00:31 |
| kanzure | sure, | 00:31 |
| fenn | now all you have to do is find someone enthusiastic about a field, then determine whether they are clueful | 00:31 |
| bkero | kanzure: geeky chix for me? | 00:31 |
| fenn | then you just throw money at them to do 'the right thing' | 00:31 |
| kanzure | heh | 00:32 |
| fenn | prequisite being having tons of money of course | 00:32 |
| fenn | i'm sure there's some way to make this work with grant proposals etc | 00:32 |
| fenn | usually the proposals are written by the person who will be doing the work or closely involved (ie the student works in their lab or whatever) | 00:32 |
| fenn | but that's so 20th century it hurts | 00:33 |
| fenn | "this is what needs to be done" -> "this is how much money it will take to get it done" -> "give this money to this person" | 00:33 |
| kanzure | there needs to be a legion of people who don't suck | 00:33 |
| kanzure | something immune to mission creep | 00:33 |
| fenn | mission creep is a fact of life | 00:33 |
| fenn | it's combated by defining goals | 00:34 |
| fenn | and forming organizations towards those goals | 00:34 |
| kanzure | the only way that I can think of attracting the right talent would be the google method | 00:34 |
| fenn | for example GRG doesnt do work on exoskeletons and brain implants (as far as i know) | 00:34 |
| kanzure | of doing ridiculously awesome things that the right sorts of people can't help but be attracted to | 00:34 |
| kanzure | does GRG actually do anything other than rant about how nobody has documentation on age? | 00:35 |
| fenn | you could use some of your contacts or whatever like the WTA thing to put out a call for volunteers for some specific thing | 00:35 |
| genehacker | WHOA LOOK ACTION | 00:35 |
| fenn | but that carries the risk of attracting people who suck and will use up your time | 00:35 |
| genehacker | I has a sublet | 00:35 |
| kanzure | er, I've sort of done that before | 00:36 |
| kanzure | and I've determined that they are all bullshitters | 00:36 |
| fenn | genehacker: in austin? | 00:36 |
| genehacker | no was | 00:36 |
| genehacker | drove over 500 miles today | 00:36 |
| fenn | i thought you were in plano | 00:36 |
| genehacker | what is current topic | 00:36 |
| genehacker | mission creep | 00:37 |
| fenn | how to get people focused on actually doing shit that matters | 00:37 |
| fenn | like writing a standard for bio xml protocol format | 00:37 |
| genehacker | cool prizes | 00:37 |
| kanzure | how to find more of me or fenn | 00:37 |
| genehacker | of course | 00:37 |
| fenn | you and me dont seem to be accomplishing a whole lot either, i might add | 00:37 |
| kanzure | we're only two .. | 00:37 |
| genehacker | I think there might be another one on the campus | 00:37 |
| kanzure | and we pick particularly weird projects | 00:37 |
| fenn | sure i have a screw.yaml and some neat ideas | 00:37 |
| genehacker | the person who posted the brain implant idea to the synth bio club that never took off | 00:38 |
| fenn | but out of the list of ideas i could have been working on, i've not finished/reached workable state for very many | 00:38 |
| kanzure | that was me.. | 00:38 |
| genehacker | perhaps cryptic posters that only those who know would recognize | 00:38 |
| kanzure | fenn: it's also more of an issue of injecting novelty into the mix | 00:38 |
| genehacker | no not you | 00:38 |
| fenn | novelty? | 00:38 |
| genehacker | someone else | 00:38 |
| kanzure | fenn: basically there are ideas that we're probably both thinking, but we don't mention, but a third party would somehow elaborate on or something | 00:38 |
| genehacker | perhaps a set of clues | 00:38 |
| genehacker | ARG style | 00:39 |
| kanzure | and therefore make things more productive or something | 00:39 |
| fenn | novelty leads to discussion, not drudge work | 00:39 |
| kanzure | even if they're just as lazy | 00:39 |
| kanzure | maybe someone else knows more tricks than either of us | 00:39 |
| kanzure | some of the tricks I've dug up are kinda useful, but it would have been more useful to have them already in the first place | 00:39 |
| fenn | right now we need drudge work, in order to finance high falutin stuff | 00:39 |
| kanzure | rather than having to create the shit from scratch or digging up stupid databases | 00:39 |
| fenn | again, we're up against the empire | 00:40 |
| genehacker | how about putting up austin fablab posters | 00:40 |
| fenn | les is against that | 00:40 |
| kanzure | what would that do | 00:40 |
| fenn | and it wouldnt do anything | 00:40 |
| genehacker | HOW ABOUT A BLIMP | 00:40 |
| kanzure | .. | 00:40 |
| kanzure | sigh | 00:40 |
| fenn | HOW ABOUT RADIOACTIVE LIZARD EXPLOSIVES | 00:40 |
| kanzure | OR SOVIET SUPER GORILLAS FOR HOME INVASION ADVERTISEMENT CAMPAIGNS | 00:41 |
| genehacker | that's a great idea | 00:41 |
| genehacker | I think I found some peoples | 00:41 |
| fenn | in plano? | 00:41 |
| * fenn laughs | 00:41 | |
| genehacker | there's a certain group of people that show up to the talks | 00:41 |
| genehacker | the science talks | 00:41 |
| kanzure | I haven't noticed any regularities in the audiences .. | 00:42 |
| kanzure | although faces aren't quite my specialty | 00:42 |
| genehacker | I have only gone to acouple of talks so n= low | 00:42 |
| fenn | what science talks? | 00:42 |
| genehacker | so facebook groups | 00:43 |
| kanzure | fenn: remember austinbrains.org ? | 00:43 |
| genehacker | the one about ironman and science | 00:43 |
| kanzure | I was posting up a list of all "science talks" at the uni | 00:43 |
| fenn | and are these people just clueful or also willing to contribute to something useful? | 00:43 |
| kanzure | which I largely get via email. | 00:43 |
| fenn | right, i was asking for more details besides 'some people at some talk' | 00:44 |
| fenn | blah dee blah | 00:44 |
| fenn | DETAILS | 00:44 |
| genehacker | so how can we can find more of us? | 00:44 |
| fenn | where's my fem-bot | 00:44 |
| kanzure | more of what | 00:44 |
| kanzure | your fenn-bot ? | 00:44 |
| fenn | it's 2009 for fuck's sake | 00:45 |
| kanzure | you've been saying that since 1982, stfu | 00:45 |
| genehacker | they sell those in japan | 00:45 |
| genehacker | ugh | 00:45 |
| fenn | hell we're supposed to be having the world's fair on pluto | 00:45 |
| fenn | am i just in the wrong country? i thought japan was just as useless as, say, san-fransisco | 00:45 |
| fenn | oh dear, there goes my brain again | 00:46 |
| genehacker | should we form an SOS brigade style group | 00:46 |
| fenn | haven't we already? | 00:46 |
| genehacker | hehehehehe | 00:46 |
| kanzure | something is wrong with the internet though | 00:47 |
| fenn | too bad kanzure isn't a hot japanese chick | 00:47 |
| kanzure | I found genehacker because he was standing in front of me in a line | 00:47 |
| genehacker | hahahha | 00:47 |
| fenn | i am psychich though, for what it's worth | 00:47 |
| fenn | even if i'm suffering from some sort of mental illness | 00:47 |
| kanzure | and fenn I found because of obsessive compulsive googling | 00:47 |
| genehacker | kanzure we've encountered each other inadvertantly in reprap forums | 00:48 |
| kanzure | superkuh I found because of his obsessive compulsive IRCing, although he's dead. | 00:48 |
| kanzure | genehacker: what? | 00:48 |
| kanzure | really? | 00:48 |
| kanzure | before UT? | 00:48 |
| genehacker | yeah | 00:48 |
| kanzure | show me | 00:48 |
| fenn | it's not such a stretch | 00:48 |
| genehacker | bacterial bootstrapping | 00:48 |
| kanzure | positive evidence that having 200+ forum subscriptions is of some use | 00:48 |
| genehacker | you started the austin self-repper group | 00:49 |
| kanzure | wtf | 00:49 |
| kanzure | really? | 00:49 |
| genehacker | yeah | 00:49 |
| kanzure | oh. | 00:49 |
| kanzure | how's that going | 00:49 |
| genehacker | I think you also posted something about the polonator but that disappeared | 00:49 |
| fenn | i should check out ACTlab | 00:50 |
| kanzure | no you shouldn't | 00:50 |
| genehacker | http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?23,9826 | 00:50 |
| fenn | but.. but | 00:50 |
| kanzure | even the resident aspie is a pushover | 00:50 |
| genehacker | it is depressing | 00:50 |
| fenn | pushovers can be useful | 00:50 |
| genehacker | guess so | 00:50 |
| kanzure | meh, maybe I just looked like a moron to him | 00:50 |
| fenn | 'yaml dammit, YAML!!!' | 00:50 |
| fenn | maybe i'm totally wrong about everything, but i feel like there's at least a chance i might be right about some things | 00:51 |
| fenn | and that's better than most people | 00:51 |
| genehacker | so how can we find nerds? | 00:51 |
| genehacker | if we can't use posters | 00:51 |
| kanzure | nerds? | 00:51 |
| genehacker | it is what we are | 00:51 |
| * kanzure needs to upgrade the thickness of his eyeware | 00:52 | |
| genehacker | heh | 00:52 |
| fenn | "Jelly is an every-so-often casual coworking session. Anyone is welcome to come, bring your laptop, art supplies, or whatever, and work alongside other creative, fun people." | 00:52 |
| genehacker | ballistic protection grade glasses? | 00:52 |
| kanzure | fenn: I haven't gone yet | 00:52 |
| kanzure | but it seems like something that diybio people would be going to | 00:52 |
| kanzure | "social media" crap. | 00:52 |
| kanzure | but maybe I'm wrong | 00:52 |
| genehacker | anyway I met someone who was interested in singularity type stuff | 00:53 |
| kanzure | there are many of that type | 00:53 |
| kanzure | but most of them are in a cult called The Singularitarians | 00:53 |
| genehacker | but it was only because they read a kurzweil book over the summer | 00:53 |
| kanzure | right. | 00:53 |
| fenn | honestly i dont care about peoples religious beliefs if they share the same goals | 00:53 |
| fenn | and are competent | 00:53 |
| genehacker | wasn't really the type of person we're looking for | 00:53 |
| fenn | the problem is finding competent people and getting them to do Stuff | 00:53 |
| genehacker | double e though | 00:53 |
| kanzure | ah, well, they tend to be obsessed with some particulate aspectsz of it all to an extent that they don't do anything .. useful | 00:53 |
| genehacker | yeah | 00:54 |
| kanzure | for instance, go check the SL4 archives | 00:54 |
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| genehacker | ???? | 00:54 |
| kanzure | it's all talk about computational theory instead of working off of it | 00:54 |
| genehacker | ok | 00:54 |
| genehacker | so we still haven't solved the problem | 00:54 |
| kanzure | fenn: I figure that if you reach a critical mass of competent people doing nothing, you can do "something" based off of all of the little "nothings" that they are doing | 00:54 |
| fenn | sure, it's just as bad as nanotech or other teenage fantasies | 00:54 |
| fenn | something based on nothing? | 00:55 |
| kanzure | heh | 00:55 |
| fenn | that sounds downright divine | 00:55 |
| genehacker | still haven't solved problem | 00:55 |
| genehacker | facebook group | 00:55 |
| genehacker | pamphlets | 00:55 |
| kanzure | why | 00:55 |
| genehacker | we need MOAR | 00:55 |
| kanzure | why | 00:55 |
| kanzure | more what | 00:55 |
| fenn | i dont think a webpage is going to do anything | 00:55 |
| kanzure | mine hasn't :/ | 00:55 |
| genehacker | people | 00:56 |
| fenn | it's the traditional internet group problem | 00:56 |
| fenn | maybe eric hunting knows the answer | 00:56 |
| kanzure | hah | 00:57 |
| kanzure | no, he's been fighting the same battle forever | 00:57 |
| genehacker | ok I'm putting up posters | 00:57 |
| kanzure | posters for what | 00:57 |
| fenn | exactly, that's why i thought he might have come to some conclusions about what not to do :P | 00:57 |
| genehacker | screw you guys | 00:57 |
| kanzure | what? | 00:57 |
| kanzure | I just asked a legit question | 00:57 |
| fenn | it is a legit question | 00:57 |
| genehacker | I want to find interesting people | 00:58 |
| kanzure | le git heh | 00:58 |
| fenn | onh ho oui oui | 00:58 |
| fenn | genehacker: what will you do with these interesting people? | 00:58 |
| kanzure | eat their brains | 00:58 |
| genehacker | have fun | 00:58 |
| genehacker | of course | 00:59 |
| fenn | gah | 00:59 |
| kanzure | .. | 00:59 |
| fenn | please explain | 00:59 |
| genehacker | ok ok take over the world! | 00:59 |
| fenn | no seriously, i seem to be missing this part of life which normal people call 'fun' | 00:59 |
| fenn | i think it's important somehow | 00:59 |
| genehacker | screw those normal people | 00:59 |
| genehacker | they don't know what fun is | 01:00 |
| fenn | you just said you wanted to do it | 01:00 |
| katsmeow-afk | here here! | 01:00 |
| fenn | i dont know what fun is | 01:00 |
| fenn | so any suggestions would be helpful | 01:00 |
| ybit | bkero: working on a project at school? | 01:00 |
| katsmeow-afk | fun is what causes you to feel satisfied in some way | 01:00 |
| kanzure | .. | 01:01 |
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| fenn | (as a meta note, please dont turn this into a philosophical discussion) | 01:01 |
| kanzure | maybe we should be more selective, fenn | 01:01 |
| genehacker | fun is watching a solar balloon with a unique bouyancy control system take off and come back down on radio command | 01:01 |
| kanzure | in particular it would be more interesting to look for people that already know other people | 01:02 |
| fenn | ok so one example of fun is 'goal accomplished' | 01:02 |
| genehacker | yeah | 01:02 |
| kanzure | so, if they don't know anybody, they'd stick around anyway, but in particular, looking for clusters is the better idea | 01:02 |
| fenn | small world network nodes | 01:02 |
| kanzure | yes | 01:03 |
| genehacker | another example is seeing [REDACTED] grams of [REDACTED] fulminate | 01:03 |
| fenn | genehacker: could you generalize that statement to a higher level of abstraction please? | 01:03 |
| genehacker | diy rocketry | 01:04 |
| fenn | hmm | 01:04 |
| fenn | i'm not convinced | 01:04 |
| fenn | i mean, last time i blew up a bunch of stuff it wasnt fun at all | 01:04 |
| fenn | just sort of what i expected to happen, that's all | 01:05 |
| genehacker | proving that it is possible to sit on a couch on a lake for the lulz | 01:05 |
| fenn | ok, ridiculous task team effort | 01:05 |
| fenn | should i be writing this down? | 01:06 |
| genehacker | it can be done | 01:06 |
| kanzure | what can be done? | 01:06 |
| genehacker | float a couch in a lake | 01:06 |
| fenn | holy crap i already have an entire category for 'fun' on the milesaway wiki | 01:07 |
| genehacker | ??? | 01:07 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/milesaway/#fun | 01:07 |
| kanzure | why does it matter that you can float a coach on a lake | 01:07 |
| kanzure | I'm totally lost | 01:07 |
| kanzure | we were just talking about finding clusters of brains | 01:07 |
| kanzure | and now we're talking about floating couches for some reason | 01:07 |
| kanzure | maybe I'm not smart enough to understand | 01:07 |
| fenn | kanzure: the point is to use novelty to lure interesting people into your organization | 01:07 |
| kanzure | fenn: I already suggested novelty earlier tonight | 01:08 |
| fenn | can we substitute 'novelty' for 'fun' in all cases? | 01:08 |
| kanzure | but you questioned it | 01:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | no | 01:08 |
| kanzure | and it went downhill | 01:08 |
| fenn | maybe i had it wrong. i was thinking in the context of mailing lists | 01:09 |
| fenn | which don't really fit the definition of 'fun' | 01:09 |
| kanzure | so way back when, | 01:10 |
| genehacker | if mailing lists can find people | 01:10 |
| kanzure | I was thinking of using free oil and free food (especially chocolates) as a way to attract these peopple | 01:10 |
| kanzure | genehacker: mailing lists can't find people | 01:10 |
| kanzure | it seems to only work when people cc each other | 01:10 |
| kanzure | otherwise nobody new shows up | 01:10 |
| kanzure | unless somebody is searching teh internets | 01:10 |
| fenn | and if they find a list by a google search typically they won't reply to a thread | 01:11 |
| kanzure | mostly for technical reasons :) | 01:11 |
| kanzure | unless you have the email laying around | 01:11 |
| fenn | it's not impossible | 01:11 |
| kanzure | and can grab the message IDs and MIME crap | 01:11 |
| genehacker | perhaps we could form a website for stuff like this | 01:11 |
| fenn | google groups makes it easy in fact | 01:11 |
| kanzure | .. | 01:11 |
| kanzure | genehacker: but I already have a website | 01:11 |
| kanzure | and fenn does too | 01:11 |
| fenn | i do? | 01:12 |
| genehacker | like facebook | 01:12 |
| kanzure | fennetic.net ? | 01:12 |
| genehacker | but for finding people | 01:12 |
| kanzure | genehacker: what's wrong with facebook | 01:12 |
| fenn | er. fennetic.net is a catch-all | 01:12 |
| kanzure | oh | 01:12 |
| kanzure | well maybe a linkedin but for non-monetary-people or something | 01:12 |
| genehacker | studies show that people don't tend to find new people on facebook | 01:12 |
| kanzure | but still .. there are already too many social networking websites | 01:12 |
| fenn | studies show that facebook is bullshit | 01:13 |
| fenn | and so is linkedin | 01:13 |
| kanzure | and if you really want to, just go set up one of the pre-made packages | 01:13 |
| genehacker | ok | 01:13 |
| fenn | i think if we're going to try to find people, they should be local | 01:13 |
| fenn | because we already know a lot of internet people | 01:13 |
| fenn | and studies show that it's impossible to get internet people to do anything | 01:13 |
| kanzure | we know the wrong internet people | 01:13 |
| kanzure | how does debian work | 01:14 |
| kanzure | I don't understand this anomaly | 01:14 |
| fenn | magic | 01:14 |
| kanzure | I see. | 01:14 |
| fenn | something to do with druids and long beards | 01:14 |
| genehacker | and orientation towards mecca? | 01:14 |
| kanzure | well, if scruff can get you a job, maybe a beard can get you a phd? is that how this works | 01:14 |
| ybit | what about the hardware side of skdb? | 01:14 |
| kanzure | ybit: what about it | 01:14 |
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| TheWrongPeople | we heard you | 01:14 |
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| kanzure | hello TheWrongPeople. | 01:14 |
| ybit | [00:02] <fenn> "leet hackers needed for bio protocol standardization project" | 01:14 |
| kanzure | ybit: diybio is a small domain for skdb | 01:15 |
| fenn | bio protocols is not exactly hardware | 01:15 |
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| kanzure | it makes problem solving a bit easier | 01:15 |
| fenn | oh look it's mister wrong person himself :) | 01:15 |
| kanzure | for instance, thermocycler design has less physical domains to work in | 01:15 |
| kanzure | rather than some complex machinery | 01:15 |
| fenn | i'll refrain from saying hello in case he's actually at the computer | 01:15 |
| kanzure | er .. think of it as a nice sandbox to play in | 01:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | fenn is lagged? | 01:15 |
| fenn | no | 01:15 |
| fenn | nevermind | 01:15 |
| kanzure | fenn is lagged indeed | 01:15 |
| * kanzure snickers | 01:16 | |
| katsmeow-afk | s/he isn't here | 01:16 |
| * fenn bonks kanzure on the head | 01:16 | |
| * kanzure pokes fenn in the eyes | 01:16 | |
| kanzure | nyah nyah nyah | 01:16 |
| fenn | 98.234.52.78 | 01:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | ? | 01:16 |
| fenn | ^^ | 01:16 |
| * fenn goes and gets something to drink | 01:16 | |
| genehacker | leet hackers for bio? | 01:16 |
| genehacker | I think I know the person for the job | 01:17 |
| kanzure | genehacker: fenn was wondering why bioinformatics grads aren't jumping on the XML protocol representation stuff | 01:17 |
| kanzure | since there's a zillion of them .. | 01:17 |
| genehacker | ok so how do we find people | 01:18 |
| kanzure | by selecting for people that already know more people | 01:18 |
| kanzure | i.e., clusters for a small world network effect | 01:18 |
| genehacker | how about a virus? | 01:18 |
| kanzure | ? | 01:19 |
| genehacker | a replicating pamphlet | 01:19 |
| genehacker | a paper virus | 01:19 |
| kanzure | why a pamphlet | 01:19 |
| fenn | 'this is bunny. photocopy him to take over the world' | 01:19 |
| genehacker | why not | 01:19 |
| genehacker | exactly | 01:19 |
| kanzure | .. because we're smarter than that? | 01:19 |
| genehacker | fenn? where'd you encounter that meme? | 01:20 |
| fenn | problem with viruses is they evolve to the minimum message length required for replication | 01:20 |
| genehacker | don't tell me... | 01:20 |
| fenn | genehacker: email signatures | 01:20 |
| genehacker | oh | 01:20 |
| genehacker | interesting | 01:20 |
| fenn | one of the lamer explicit memes i've seen | 01:21 |
| kanzure | journal clubs might be an interesting mechanism | 01:21 |
| kanzure | but unfortunately it's more academic than otherwise | 01:21 |
| kanzure | a schematic club might be more appropriate | 01:21 |
| fenn | we want a do tank not a read tank | 01:22 |
| kanzure | "must share at least one awesome blueprint, or something" | 01:22 |
| fenn | yeah | 01:22 |
| genehacker | OH OH I GOT SOME OF THOSE | 01:22 |
| fenn | there is precedent in the form of writing criticism groups | 01:22 |
| kanzure | since when? | 01:22 |
| fenn | and "the robot group" *snicker* | 01:22 |
| kanzure | in a retirement home hehe | 01:22 |
| fenn | god those guys suck so much it makes me embarrassed | 01:23 |
| genehacker | yeah | 01:23 |
| fenn | ok so a show and tell circle | 01:23 |
| fenn | unfortunately this requires short feedback cycles | 01:24 |
| genehacker | that would be actlab | 01:24 |
| kanzure | hm | 01:24 |
| fenn | so it excludes long term projects | 01:24 |
| kanzure | actlab is for glue projects | 01:24 |
| fenn | hot glue? | 01:24 |
| kanzure | sexy glue | 01:24 |
| fenn | erhh? | 01:24 |
| fenn | i'm not convinced yet that actlab has it all wrong | 01:24 |
| kanzure | then you need to attend their sessions ;-) | 01:25 |
| fenn | maybe i do | 01:25 |
| kanzure | you already do? | 01:25 |
| fenn | are they still in session? what with school year being over and all | 01:25 |
| kanzure | don't know | 01:25 |
| genehacker | hot glue indeed | 01:25 |
| kanzure | I usually go to their dorkbot sessions | 01:25 |
| kanzure | anyway | 01:25 |
| fenn | dorkbot is basically what we're talking about isnt it | 01:25 |
| kanzure | not really. | 01:26 |
| kanzure | dorkbot is like the robot group except worse | 01:26 |
| kanzure | er, larger | 01:26 |
| fenn | i've never been to dorkbot. isnt it basically show and tell? | 01:26 |
| kanzure | yes | 01:26 |
| fenn | but? | 01:26 |
| genehacker | yes | 01:26 |
| kanzure | "here's my blinkenled" | 01:26 |
| genehacker | NO THAT WAS A LASER HARP | 01:26 |
| kanzure | so what | 01:26 |
| genehacker | built from foam board | 01:26 |
| fenn | here is the way i see it | 01:27 |
| kanzure | I don't know if a WIP-club would be good or not | 01:27 |
| fenn | if someone is going to build a laser harp they have some level of technical skill, and also have enough free time to waste on a laser harp | 01:27 |
| fenn | on ther other hand, they wasted that time on a laser harp | 01:27 |
| kanzure | I want a hoarding club | 01:28 |
| fenn | so it's a net improvement in signal to noise ratio because you have +2 -1 | 01:28 |
| kanzure | could we do a hoarding club? | 01:28 |
| fenn | thats what atxfab is for | 01:28 |
| kanzure | oh right | 01:28 |
| fenn | WIP club sounds reasonable | 01:29 |
| genehacker | data hoarding? | 01:29 |
| genehacker | WIP =? | 01:29 |
| kanzure | work-in-progress | 01:29 |
| fenn | it might be so underwhelming to attend that we dont get any repeat attendees | 01:29 |
| genehacker | oh | 01:29 |
| kanzure | not work-in-possible-future | 01:29 |
| genehacker | if it doesn't get us the people | 01:30 |
| genehacker | I'm spamming meat space | 01:30 |
| fenn | this is a meatspace project | 01:30 |
| fenn | the WIP sewing circle | 01:30 |
| kanzure | sometimes I think it would just be easier to make more of me than find more | 01:31 |
| fenn | isnt that what we're doing with gene? or trying to | 01:31 |
| genehacker | clones take a long time to grow | 01:31 |
| genehacker | but it can be done | 01:31 |
| kanzure | I don't mean clones. | 01:31 |
| genehacker | oh | 01:31 |
| kanzure | fenn: doesn't seem to be working :p | 01:31 |
| fenn | he means induced autism | 01:31 |
| kanzure | that's right. | 01:31 |
| fenn | your prescription drugs wont work on me! ha ha! | 01:32 |
| kanzure | did you try them | 01:32 |
| genehacker | speaking of that I need to build me a transcrainial DC stimulator | 01:32 |
| fenn | no | 01:32 |
| genehacker | oh make more of you that way | 01:32 |
| genehacker | nice | 01:32 |
| genehacker | lace the water supply? | 01:32 |
| kanzure | the people from 4chan and somethingawful kind of do it that way too | 01:32 |
| fenn | which way? | 01:32 |
| kanzure | kind of like the way people become accustomed to shock sites | 01:33 |
| genehacker | huh? | 01:33 |
| kanzure | except it's "shock autism" or something | 01:33 |
| genehacker | SURPRISE AUTISM | 01:33 |
| fenn | hm. | 01:33 |
| fenn | are you sure it's not just because they're anime watchers? | 01:33 |
| genehacker | but that's just anon talking | 01:33 |
| kanzure | oh, well. | 01:33 |
| fenn | i mean its not like normal people go to 4chan | 01:33 |
| genehacker | maybe they are anime watchers because of it | 01:34 |
| fenn | nup | 01:34 |
| kanzure | yes, there's a strong correlation with anime watchers or something | 01:34 |
| fenn | that would be a violation of causality | 01:34 |
| kanzure | just need to find a bunch of angsty 11 year olds who claim to know 20 programming languages and watch DBZ or something | 01:34 |
| fenn | anime -> 4chan, not the other way around | 01:34 |
| genehacker | Did you see season 2 yet? | 01:34 |
| kanzure | of what | 01:34 |
| fenn | 4chan the TV show | 01:34 |
| * fenn shudders | 01:34 | |
| genehacker | no SOS brigade show | 01:35 |
| fenn | i bet they could pull it off, too | 01:35 |
| genehacker | WAIT OFF TOPIC DISREGARD THAT | 01:35 |
| genehacker | sorry there | 01:36 |
| genehacker | perhaps we should implement a search algorithm | 01:36 |
| kanzure | 32,000 queries and counting | 01:36 |
| kanzure | (yes, I count them) | 01:36 |
| genehacker | random walk helped me find a review session the other day | 01:36 |
| kanzure | what I'm really wondering is where the hell all of these coauthors of science papers are | 01:37 |
| kanzure | do they just .. vanish? | 01:37 |
| kanzure | the ones that aren't professors | 01:37 |
| genehacker | hmmm... | 01:37 |
| fenn | coauthors are usually just people who helped write the code | 01:37 |
| kanzure | says who? | 01:37 |
| kanzure | or how do you figure? | 01:37 |
| fenn | says me, halfheartedly | 01:37 |
| genehacker | assasinated perhaps? | 01:37 |
| fenn | well nobody knows how to do everything; if they did there'd be no point in forming a lab/working group | 01:38 |
| kanzure | so you think it's mostly code? | 01:38 |
| fenn | so coauthors fill in the gaps in the authors' skillset | 01:38 |
| kanzure | hrm. | 01:38 |
| fenn | not necessarily code, could be anything | 01:38 |
| kanzure | I always thought that they might be handing off written sections. | 01:38 |
| fenn | maybe | 01:38 |
| fenn | it seems to me that the majority of actual projects are done by an individual | 01:38 |
| kanzure | sure | 01:39 |
| genehacker | I need me some coauthors to figure out how to get me some phosphoramidite nucleosides | 01:39 |
| kanzure | and then the professors take credit (which is obvious though) | 01:39 |
| kanzure | genehacker: what's wrong with using sigma-aldrich or something for starters | 01:39 |
| fenn | well, the professor did provide lots of things necessary to get the paper done, like hiring the student and providing a lab and so on | 01:39 |
| kanzure | or SMILES for searching | 01:39 |
| kanzure | fenn: sure. and the grant :) | 01:39 |
| genehacker | they're expensive and limiting | 01:39 |
| fenn | not saying it's right, but that's the way it is | 01:39 |
| kanzure | so in the end nobody ends up knowing what the paper was about? or what? | 01:40 |
| fenn | students should learn how to write grants (and also grant agencies should fund students directly) | 01:40 |
| kanzure | where do these coauthors that don't go on to make their own labs, go? | 01:40 |
| kanzure | and how can I harvest them. | 01:40 |
| fenn | the Real World probably | 01:40 |
| kanzure | I need to do some automatic querying over my collected bibliographies | 01:40 |
| fenn | which usually means something intimidatingly boring | 01:40 |
| kanzure | to figure out where these coauthors go | 01:40 |
| kanzure | or which ones have private servers | 01:40 |
| fenn | private servers! hah | 01:40 |
| kanzure | hm? | 01:41 |
| kanzure | it's a good way to constrain the search | 01:41 |
| fenn | we may be living in the future, .. oh | 01:41 |
| fenn | right | 01:41 |
| kanzure | what? | 01:41 |
| genehacker | soon as REDACTED finds out about diybio we might not able to get stuff from sigma aldrich | 01:41 |
| genehacker | therefore we can't rely on them | 01:41 |
| fenn | ok, so coauthors with their own server may be clueful enough to work on something useful | 01:41 |
| kanzure | or clueful enough to know someone useful | 01:41 |
| genehacker | I don't want diybio to be something that can be regulated into oblivion | 01:41 |
| kanzure | the grad student that I worked under in the ellington lab, he was a transhuman | 01:41 |
| kanzure | transhumanist, I mean | 01:41 |
| fenn | genehacker: you cant get stuff from sigma aldrich anyway | 01:42 |
| kanzure | and knew a guy like me up in Maryland | 01:42 |
| kanzure | er, the cyborg guy | 01:42 |
| genehacker | oh yeah forgot about that | 01:42 |
| genehacker | cool | 01:42 |
| kanzure | but anyway | 01:42 |
| fenn | genehacker: the "real" diybio can never be regulated because laws are imaginary | 01:42 |
| genehacker | I'm rooming with a couple "mysterious grad student" | 01:42 |
| kanzure | ? | 01:42 |
| fenn | that's sort of the point, but then people on the diybio mailing list seem to have missed | 01:42 |
| kanzure | and apparently neither of us are bright enough to expound on that point :/ | 01:43 |
| kanzure | or something | 01:43 |
| genehacker | well fenn if you can't make the chemicals then you've got a problem | 01:43 |
| fenn | kanzure: the ellington guy was cyborg or the guy he knew was? | 01:43 |
| kanzure | who says you can't make the chemicals? | 01:43 |
| * fenn is just rolling with the punches | 01:43 | |
| kanzure | fenn: the guy he knew | 01:43 |
| genehacker | exactly the point kanzure | 01:43 |
| kanzure | michael wittig was the graduate student who supervised me, he was the transhumanist | 01:43 |
| genehacker | we need to make them | 01:43 |
| fenn | genehacker: i agree we've got a problem which is why i'm writing SKDB | 01:43 |
| kanzure | but for some reason people aren't contributing to some baseline help or something | 01:43 |
| genehacker | so they walk among us | 01:43 |
| genehacker | how did you find out he was? | 01:44 |
| kanzure | if you work with a guy every day, you start talking about things. | 01:44 |
| genehacker | hey is H+ a fairly well recognized symbol among transhumanists? | 01:44 |
| kanzure | he was the one who told me about myostatin actually | 01:44 |
| fenn | do you still talk with him? | 01:44 |
| kanzure | not as much as I should | 01:44 |
| kanzure | we run into each other on the street from time to time | 01:44 |
| fenn | H+ is more likely to be interpreted as 'proton' :) | 01:44 |
| kanzure | he's been keeping radio silence .. he always has, sort of | 01:44 |
| genehacker | by the normals | 01:45 |
| fenn | normals dont know what a proton is | 01:45 |
| kanzure | no. H+ is just stupid | 01:45 |
| kanzure | I wonder if I can get wittig in here. /me goes to dig around on his IM accounts | 01:45 |
| fenn | some people just arent into IRC for whatever reason | 01:45 |
| genehacker | who's wittig | 01:45 |
| fenn | it is a massive time sink after all | 01:45 |
| fenn | wittig is the H+ grad student | 01:46 |
| ultraleibniz | yes | 01:46 |
| fenn | is this some sort of windows machine? | 01:46 |
| genehacker | I wasn't into IRC before kanzure introduced me' | 01:46 |
| ultraleibniz | fenn: no. it's the leibniz/monolith box. | 01:46 |
| ultraleibniz | genehacker: arguably you aren't into IRC | 01:46 |
| fenn | oh the big black boat anchor | 01:46 |
| ultraleibniz | you still use chatzilla :) | 01:46 |
| ultraleibniz | yeah that one | 01:46 |
| fenn | arguably i'm not into irc | 01:46 |
| genehacker | how can you tell? | 01:46 |
| fenn | since i'm only on two channels :P | 01:47 |
| genehacker | I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE COMPUTERS | 01:47 |
| ultraleibniz | genehacker: your login uname | 01:47 |
| ultraleibniz | really? | 01:47 |
| ultraleibniz | er, hostname | 01:47 |
| genehacker | oh | 01:47 |
| genehacker | hold on | 01:47 |
| fenn | i realized i was wasting a lot of time with the dickheads in #reprap so i decided to just stop joining a bunch of channels that weren't really providing anything anymore | 01:48 |
| fenn | not that #reprap ever provided anything | 01:48 |
| genehacker | that reminds me | 01:49 |
| genehacker | I've got a gear profile to generate | 01:49 |
| fenn | i've got multiple gear profile scripts | 01:49 |
| genehacker | what about for internal gears skiddie? | 01:50 |
| fenn | no, probably not | 01:50 |
| genehacker | don't take the skiddie thing bad, you could say I am one when it comes to things like that too | 01:50 |
| fenn | i dont even know what that means | 01:50 |
| fenn | h0tm41L h4X0r? | 01:51 |
| fenn | "Someone who gives No Credit to the maker of The code he stole. Or someone that is just a total n00b that knows nothing about anything that thinks he knows everything about everything." | 01:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | ....one of these monkeys will eventually create a masterpiece. Keen updates and reverses the theorem, replacing monkeys with humans and typewriters with networked personal computers; and "instead of creating masterpieces, these millions and millions of exuberant monkeys--many with no more talent than our primate cousins--are creating an endless digital forest of mediocrity | 01:51 |
| genehacker | http://chestofbooks.com/home-improvement/workshop/Machine-Shop-Work/Laying-Out-Teeth.html | 01:52 |
| genehacker | skiddie= script kiddie | 01:52 |
| fenn | i could live up to the second definition | 01:52 |
| genehacker | yeah | 01:52 |
| fenn | but so could anybody | 01:52 |
| genehacker | so I'm not so sure I trust their method of generating gear teeth | 01:53 |
| fenn | that is not how gears are made | 01:53 |
| genehacker | by made do you mean layed out? | 01:53 |
| fenn | er. well you dont lay out a gear | 01:53 |
| genehacker | I'm designing gears in cad | 01:53 |
| genehacker | I LAY OUT A GEAR | 01:54 |
| fenn | i mean it doesn't help because they're made in a generative process | 01:54 |
| genehacker | not the one's I'm making | 01:54 |
| fenn | it's sort of like making 3d models of a circuit board | 01:54 |
| genehacker | the one's I'm making are likely going to be 3d printed off on an SLS 3d printer | 01:54 |
| fenn | unless you make some crappy laser cut acrylic gear | 01:54 |
| fenn | is SLS accurate enough for gear teeth? | 01:55 |
| genehacker | but I can't use the laser cutter | 01:55 |
| fenn | i mean, say you wanted to make a planetary gearbox for a cordless drill | 01:55 |
| genehacker | sls is accurate enough for semidecent ball bearings | 01:55 |
| genehacker | and yes | 01:55 |
| genehacker | it is | 01:55 |
| genehacker | a lot of people here have gear cubes | 01:55 |
| fenn | that's a toy | 01:55 |
| fenn | you can make it with a z-corp machine | 01:56 |
| genehacker | yeah | 01:56 |
| fenn | it doesnt mean SLS is the "preferred method" for making gears | 01:56 |
| genehacker | indeed | 01:56 |
| genehacker | but I need to be able to layout a gear profile | 01:56 |
| fenn | kanzure: what's albert going to be doing now that he graduated? do you know? | 01:56 |
| ultraleibniz | he's working for a medical company in houston called flextronics | 01:57 |
| ultraleibniz | medical device design company | 01:57 |
| fenn | that sounds familiar.. is it where rauchwerk .. works? | 01:57 |
| ultraleibniz | erm, I was thinking it was just another medical device design company | 01:57 |
| ultraleibniz | the one that rauchwerk did as a startup was in louissianna or something | 01:58 |
| genehacker | the one that has posters up all over campus looking for people to study heat dissipation or something like that for medical implants? | 01:58 |
| ultraleibniz | I once found rauchwerk's company via some stealthy googling | 01:58 |
| ultraleibniz | so it's not impossible to find | 01:58 |
| fenn | probably on his resume | 01:59 |
| fenn | hm. he paid for google ads for actualhardware.com | 02:00 |
| fenn | someone please explain | 02:00 |
| genehacker | ??? | 02:00 |
| fenn | and while you're at it explain wtf resistorbeterminated.com is about | 02:00 |
| genehacker | makerbot movie tie in | 02:01 |
| genehacker | ARG | 02:01 |
| genehacker | as in alternate reality game | 02:01 |
| genehacker | can't figure out what is in the box is about though | 02:01 |
| fenn | why is bre pettis making youtube movies about electronic widgets stealing his DNA? and why are they saturating makezine's advertising space? | 02:02 |
| fenn | i mean makerbot doesnt have anything to do with terminators | 02:03 |
| fenn | and they dont have enough money for random advertising like that do they? | 02:03 |
| genehacker | they want you to think it does | 02:03 |
| genehacker | http://artscienceaustin.blogspot.com/ | 02:05 |
| genehacker | there might be some of them here | 02:05 |
| genehacker | headed up by an interesting mol-bio person I think | 02:05 |
| genehacker | one them works with ellington or aptamers I think | 02:06 |
| fenn | heh nano toilet | 02:10 |
| fenn | 21 people on artscienceaustin, worth looking into | 02:14 |
| genehacker | that's new too | 02:21 |
| genehacker | ugh | 02:21 |
| genehacker | feeling weak | 02:21 |
| fenn | crap did i just fail a turing test? | 02:23 |
| fenn | "CrossFit picks up the WSJ article" is this spam? | 02:24 |
| genehacker | huh? | 02:25 |
| genehacker | ugh need IV hookup | 02:27 |
| fenn | i suggest orange juice | 02:27 |
| fenn | and then sleep | 02:27 |
| genehacker | I just had some super pomegranate lemonade juice | 02:28 |
| fenn | dont forget to brush your teeth | 02:28 |
| genehacker | well of course | 02:28 |
| kanzure | maybe from now on I'll start giving out handout presents of "one seemingly impossible problem to be solved at your convenience" | 02:38 |
| kanzure | er, + "cards" to the cdr of that message. | 02:38 |
| fenn | error: CDR already occupied | 02:41 |
| fenn | perhaps you meant cadr | 02:41 |
| fenn | ignore me, i'm supposed to be reading my book | 02:42 |
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| bkero | ybit: Sometimes. Right now I'm writing a new IO scheduler in the Linux kernel | 05:14 |
| bkero | that's fun | 05:14 |
| bkero | Other times I'm figuring out some good ways to do gel runs in the kitchen | 05:14 |
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| kanzure | http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/pathogen-insecurity-and-bio-wmd.html | 13:25 |
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| kanzure | ah, lisp apparently has a make-struct function that I should be using | 14:30 |
| kanzure | total queries to Google: 35,776 | 14:31 |
| kanzure | too bad it doesn't count Google Scholar queries | 14:32 |
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| kanzure | there's a #reddit ? | 15:07 |
| kanzure | heh. #4chan on rizon has Nam-Ereh-Won. | 15:16 |
| kanzure | he went to high school with me. | 15:17 |
| bkero | oh dear 4chan | 15:46 |
| fenn | kanzure: les is asking when i'm moving out etc.. | 15:56 |
| fenn | mostly because whatsisname is moving in | 15:56 |
| fenn | in ~2 days | 15:57 |
| kanzure | "Molecular evolution of microcephalin, a gene determining human brain size" <-- wheee. | 16:00 |
| kanzure | fenn: ok. let me look into paperwork and make sure that my rent doesn't go up if you move in, or something. | 16:01 |
| kanzure | "Transport of hemolysin across the outer membrane of Escherichia coli requires two functions. | 16:11 |
| kanzure | what? alpha-hemolysin is on the outer membrane of ecoli? | 16:11 |
| kanzure | that's the same protein that the nanopore-sequencing-goons are using for their nanopore. | 16:11 |
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| genehacker | http://bytesizebio.net/index.php/2009/05/22/light-for-cellular-communication/ | 17:21 |
| genehacker | I would really like a fiberoptic nervous system | 17:22 |
| fenn | an electrical nervous system wouldnt be a bad start either | 17:27 |
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| genehacker | hows the weather down there? | 17:28 |
| fenn | earthlike | 17:28 |
| genehacker | I was expecting horrible | 17:29 |
| fenn | it rained yesterday | 17:29 |
| genehacker | just looked at the radar for austin | 17:29 |
| genehacker | oops thats not in austin though | 17:30 |
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| kanzure | huh. go figure. | 18:50 |
| kanzure | http://www.n-a-n-o.com/lisp/cmucl-tutorials/LISP-tutorial-15.html | 18:50 |
| fenn | #s is make-struct? | 18:53 |
| fenn | or is defstruct make-struct/ | 18:54 |
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| fenn | it seems sort of magical.. how does make-foo know to do anything at all | 18:55 |
| kanzure | do not question the lisp! | 19:09 |
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| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/Visualization%20of%20targeted%20transduction%20by%20engineered%20lentiviral%20vectors.pdf.fig4.png | 19:55 |
| kanzure | anyone who doesn't think that's the most awesome thing ever should die | 19:55 |
| fenn | looks like a video game | 20:03 |
| fenn | yay yaml folding | 20:27 |
| fenn | edit .kde/share/apps/katepart/syntax/yaml.xml (you may have to download this) and after <general> add <folding indentationsensitive="1" /> | 20:28 |
| fenn | i'm sort of annoyed it's not on by default | 20:29 |
| kanzure | folding of what? is it just indentation-sensitive? | 20:34 |
| kanzure | oh | 20:34 |
| kanzure | I wonder if I read that before or after I asked the question | 20:34 |
| fenn | it's just indentation.. i'm trying to get it to work with other stuff now | 20:37 |
| fenn | vim syntax files are a lot easier to understand | 20:38 |
| kanzure | I've been meaning to set gedit up to do syntax highlighting for lisp. | 20:52 |
| kanzure | just been lazy | 20:52 |
| kanzure | hm. "make-*" doesn't appear anywhere in the sources | 21:03 |
| kanzure | ah, nevermind | 21:03 |
| kanzure | included an extra whitespace | 21:03 |
| kanzure | aha. create-fp. | 21:05 |
| kanzure | er, the constructor. of course .. what a novel idea. | 21:05 |
| * kanzure goes into a corner to cry | 21:05 | |
| fenn | you know i think coding may be bad for mental health | 21:25 |
| kanzure | "everything is an object!" | 22:01 |
| genehacker | do it for science | 22:50 |
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| ybit | fenn: do you have the fab lab, tech shop comparison on fennetic? | 23:09 |
| kanzure | graphs and diagrams uploaded | 23:09 |
| ybit | some of the links are missing from my grab | 23:09 |
| ybit | kanzure: was that to me? | 23:10 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/?C=M;O=D | 23:10 |
| kanzure | no, just in general. | 23:10 |
| kanzure | um, is there a way to clone antibodies? | 23:11 |
| kanzure | http://www.rndsystems.com/product_results.aspx?k=gasp-1 | 23:11 |
| kanzure | $315 for 25 micrograms of GASP-1, a potent inhibitor of myostatin | 23:11 |
| genehacker | kanzure | 23:14 |
| genehacker | follistatin | 23:14 |
| kanzure | it inhibits actin. | 23:14 |
| kanzure | no thanks. | 23:14 |
| genehacker | clone antibodies | 23:15 |
| genehacker | hmmm | 23:15 |
| genehacker | I think so | 23:15 |
| kanzure | I thoguht this was a relatively common technique | 23:15 |
| genehacker | yeah me too | 23:15 |
| kanzure | like, one of those that happens to be so common that I've just ignored it even though I shouldn't have | 23:15 |
| genehacker | I don't know how it's done or what it's called | 23:15 |
| genehacker | btw why do you want myostatin inhibitors | 23:16 |
| genehacker | is it for the obvious reason or do you have some mice? | 23:16 |
| kanzure | I used to have some mice. or relatives of mice, at least. | 23:16 |
| genehacker | http://nextbigfuture.com/2008/03/myostati-inhibitor-update-boosting.html | 23:17 |
| genehacker | what's GASP-1 | 23:18 |
| kanzure | didn't you read the papers I linked to? | 23:19 |
| kanzure | here: | 23:19 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/myostatin/ | 23:19 |
| genehacker | http://www.news-medical.net/news/2008/01/23/34633.aspx | 23:19 |
| genehacker | tendons | 23:19 |
| genehacker | WTF? | 23:20 |
| genehacker | my PDF reader isn't working in my webbrowser | 23:20 |
| genehacker | ADOBE! >:( | 23:21 |
| kanzure | why do you read papers in a browser | 23:21 |
| kanzure | http://www.pnas.org.ezproxy.lib.utexas.edu/content/105/1/388.abstract | 23:22 |
| kanzure | wonder if these were gene knockout mice | 23:22 |
| kanzure | there's a huge difference between partial inhibition and total inhibition by "uh, the gene no longer functions at all" | 23:23 |
| genehacker | waht you don't read papers in a browser | 23:24 |
| kanzure | hell no | 23:24 |
| kanzure | browsers are not PDF readers | 23:24 |
| genehacker | why? | 23:25 |
| kanzure | there are better tools that do the same job .. | 23:25 |
| kanzure | kpdf, xpdf, gs, etc. etc. | 23:25 |
| genehacker | what are those? | 23:26 |
| genehacker | am I missing something? | 23:26 |
| kanzure | they are PDF viewers. | 23:26 |
| kanzure | "gs" is "ghostviewer". (it's hard to search for two-letter programs) | 23:28 |
| genehacker | ok | 23:28 |
| genehacker | which one is the best? | 23:28 |
| kanzure | um. um.. | 23:28 |
| kanzure | one sec. | 23:28 |
| kanzure | http://pdfreaders.org/ | 23:29 |
| kanzure | I guess okular? | 23:29 |
| kanzure | I've never used it. | 23:29 |
| kanzure | ah, "evince" is the one that is installed by default on ubuntu | 23:29 |
| genehacker | well then I need to get ubuntu to work with the internet at my house | 23:31 |
| kanzure | http://wubi-installer.org/ | 23:31 |
| genehacker | the network has a very long encryption key | 23:31 |
| genehacker | got it installed | 23:32 |
| kanzure | search the net first for how to get ubuntu working with wireless then | 23:32 |
| kanzure | instead of doing it the other way around | 23:32 |
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