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| kanzure | 768./Photofabrication of Surface Relief Gratings on Azobenzene Polymer Films.pdf | 00:00 |
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| kanzure | 660./Extreme impact and cavitation forces of a biological hammer: strike forces of the peacock mantis shrimp Odontodactylus scyllarus.pdf | 00:00 |
| kanzure | 504./Nonlinear structured-illumination microscopy: Wide-field fluorescence imaging with theoretically unlimited resolution GustafssonPNAS102_13081-6_2005.pdf | 00:00 |
| * ybit is sleepy and ready for bed... kanzure where are these actually? | 00:00 | |
| kanzure | 3104./Adaptation for Soft Whisper Recognition Using a Throat Microphone StanJou-September2004.pdf | 00:00 |
| kanzure | ybit: have only tracked down a few | 00:00 |
| ybit | i'm only seeing a listing | 00:01 |
| ybit | superkuh not have them? | 00:01 |
| kanzure | sure he does | 00:01 |
| kanzure | 4508./000-Bio And Chemistry/A Guide to Protein Isolation - Dennison 2002.pdf | 00:02 |
| ybit | so.. .ask him to give you them?.. | 00:02 |
| kanzure | 728./Nanostructured magnetizable materials that switch cells between life and death __Polte2007-JBMT.pdf | 00:03 |
| kanzure | ybit: I think I can find them myself. | 00:03 |
| kanzure | 1296./Successful choice behavior is associated with distinct and coherent network states in anterior cingulate cortex PNAS-2008-Lapish-0804045105.pdf | 00:04 |
| any38932354 | Price: Reg. $419.99 | 00:04 |
| any38932354 | Sale $350.79 | 00:04 |
| any38932354 | 3M™ PAPR Motor Blower (GVP-100) | 00:04 |
| any38932354 | UOM: Each | 00:04 |
| any38932354 | Provides a level of air flow that surpasses NIOSH requirements. Depending on headgear and cartridge, the airflow ranges from 7.0-9.5 cfm. This unit weighs only 1.1 pounds and has a life of about 1000 hours. | 00:04 |
| kanzure | 180./Surviving a Steam Rupture.pdf | 00:04 |
| kanzure | NIOSH requirements? | 00:04 |
| any38932354 | it's a blower for a air mattress that's being sold for supplied-air hoods | 00:04 |
| any38932354 | it's $10 at Kmart | 00:04 |
| fenn | ooo mini thermoacoustic refrigerator. where are these papers from? | 00:05 |
| any38932354 | no one is making that fridge at this time, iirc | 00:05 |
| fenn | oh superkuh | 00:05 |
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| any00550854 | fenn, anyone, how is my localhost pointing to adsl-69-208-3-29.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net ? my hosts says it's 127.0.0.1 , but i dns it to 69.208.3.29 | 00:35 |
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| any00550854 | you can http://adsl-69-208-3-29.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net/ there | 00:36 |
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| splicer | fenn: here? | 05:48 |
| splicer | fenn: what was the word you used yesterday about something like an organization separating? The word that had a negative connotation and I associated to speciation? | 05:50 |
| splicer | (maybe I should keep logs) | 05:50 |
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| kanzure | splicer: forking | 07:17 |
| kanzure | splicer: the word refers to programming | 07:18 |
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| kanzure | re: legos & regli - http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Using%20assembly%20representations%20to%20enable%20evolutionary%20design%20of%20Lego%20structures%20-%20Regli.pdf | 08:02 |
| kanzure | there were many more documents in the lego_GA folder however from the national design repository (regli's) | 08:02 |
| kanzure | hm that file includes a lego shape grammar | 08:05 |
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| splicer | kanzure: was it as simple as that? "forking is bad" | 08:35 |
| splicer | thanks | 08:35 |
| splicer | i just posted this: http://www.biopunk.org/don-t-bitch-about-it-speciate-t183.html | 08:40 |
| splicer | it's about that | 08:40 |
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| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * rac5647ee668a / (3 files in 3 dirs): worked on legos, added OCC.BRepAlgoAPI to pymates, wrote some more todo | 09:33 |
| kanzure | splicer: I think you should try an experiment where you instantiate a version control system and then fork it and see what forking does. | 09:34 |
| kanzure | the experiment should take about 5 minutes at most | 09:34 |
| kanzure | splicer: the idea has already got traction from long before my birth | 09:35 |
| splicer | this is not forking, it's evolution | 09:36 |
| splicer | (also worked since before you were born) | 09:36 |
| kanzure | splicer: ok but what I'm saying is that when I say "forking" it has a very particular meaning | 09:37 |
| kanzure | and you can 'experience' this meaning in a more pure way | 09:37 |
| kanzure | than trying to understand my pathetic and terrible explanations | 09:37 |
| kanzure | you can experience it by installing a repository and doing it (forking it) | 09:38 |
| kanzure | see here: http://web.media.mit.edu/~stefie10/technical/illicit_forks.html | 09:38 |
| splicer | you miss my point | 09:38 |
| splicer | my point is don't tell others to do it, get it rolling yourself. | 09:39 |
| splicer | set up the mother of all repositories, if that's the way you think it should be done... avoid forking | 09:40 |
| splicer | let others focus on what's important to them | 09:40 |
| splicer | i have no opinions on how you should build it.... i just think you should do it yourself. | 09:40 |
| splicer | become the goto guy for repositories... as mac and jason have become for diybio | 09:41 |
| kanzure | why the *hell* were passwords stored in plaintext on perlmonks.org? wtf | 09:42 |
| kanzure | splicer: I don't think you understand. it already exists. | 09:43 |
| kanzure | splicer: what's so hard to understand about throwing up a list of projects? | 09:43 |
| kanzure | "here's what the community is working on". very simple.. takes five minutes to type. | 09:43 |
| splicer | what's so hard to understand about 'do it yourself' | 09:43 |
| kanzure | but I've already done it | 09:44 |
| kanzure | what's the problem with that | 09:44 |
| splicer | if you've done it you wouldn't be complaining about it | 09:44 |
| kanzure | um? | 09:44 |
| kanzure | do you know what I am complaining about? | 09:44 |
| splicer | yeah... that others don't put up something you have done on their site | 09:45 |
| kanzure | not really | 09:45 |
| splicer | something you want them to put up | 09:45 |
| kanzure | something they claim they want to put up | 09:45 |
| splicer | i have to go buy an sd card for a netbook | 09:46 |
| splicer | kanzure: do it yourself | 09:46 |
| splicer | put the stuff you want there | 09:47 |
| splicer | i have to go | 09:47 |
| kanzure | splicer: they haven't given me ssh access | 09:48 |
| kanzure | or ftp acess | 09:48 |
| kanzure | *access | 09:48 |
| kanzure | either one would be adequate for putting it up there | 09:48 |
| kanzure | for putting up a page, I mean, or something | 09:48 |
| kanzure | "my brain is computing me" is it? | 10:16 |
| any96811805 | it thinks, therefor you are | 10:16 |
| kanzure | "When the world gives you nothing but lemons, learn genetic engineering." | 10:17 |
| splicer | kanzure: I tried to explain this before... I meant do it without diybio, do it yourself. | 10:50 |
| kanzure | why? | 10:52 |
| kanzure | git fsck --lost-found | 10:56 |
| kanzure | dangling commit, dangling blob | 10:56 |
| kanzure | ah | 10:57 |
| kanzure | git merge my-lost-commit-id | 10:58 |
| * kanzure sighs | 10:58 | |
| fenn | what did you lose anyway | 10:58 |
| kanzure | sandbox/google/ | 10:59 |
| kanzure | sandbox/Cycles.py | 10:59 |
| kanzure | sandbox/legos/ | 10:59 |
| kanzure | sandbox/namespaces-in-python/ | 10:59 |
| kanzure | sandbox/skdb-packages/ | 10:59 |
| kanzure | sandbox/zotero/ | 10:59 |
| kanzure | sandbox/occ_stl.py | 10:59 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r743ce215ae9f / (4 files in 3 dirs): occ_stl from sandbox of doom (slow loading of stl, alternative to import_tools/occ_pyldraw.py), various updates to pymates-todo and assemblies.txt | 11:04 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * rcc5b767af210 /doc/todo/pymates-todo: updated todo list for 2009-07-30 | 11:38 |
| kanzure | fenn: any hints on drawing arrows in OCC? Have you done that yet? | 11:41 |
| fenn | no | 11:41 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: * rb10aa7a2283f /paths.py: fighting with OCC sweeps and crashes randomly. | 11:56 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: * ra94b07c47833 / (7 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb | 11:56 |
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| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r29377799d983 /pymates/pymates.py: committing pymates before I make drastic changes | 12:33 |
| kanzure | displaying arrows (maybe): http://www.opencascade.org/org/forum/thread_6303/ | 12:35 |
| kanzure | looks kind of long and complicated | 12:35 |
| kanzure | http://www.opencascade.org/org/forum/thread_1764/ | 12:36 |
| xp_prg | wow did you guys hear about the lego robot arm that did a biology thing? | 12:37 |
| kanzure | it was probably just NXT | 12:38 |
| xp_prg | well it was probably amazing too! | 12:56 |
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| xp_prg | legos are rocking! | 12:56 |
| xp_prg | kanzure you know what would be amazing for you to do? | 13:02 |
| ybit | go on? | 13:03 |
| ybit | btw, that robot arm was pretty sweet | 13:03 |
| xp_prg | it would be amazing if you found all the biology lego stuff and created a howto of how to do biology projects with them | 13:04 |
| ybit | heh, you could do that too.. | 13:04 |
| xp_prg | I don't understand how to make a biology project with them though :( | 13:04 |
| kanzure | xp_prg: figure it out | 13:07 |
| kanzure | anyway, that's what we're doing with skdb this week sort of | 13:07 |
| kanzure | figuring out how to load legos into the system | 13:07 |
| xp_prg | sweet! | 13:07 |
| kanzure | python + legos => geekgasm | 13:07 |
| xp_prg | heh | 13:07 |
| xp_prg | is there a python lego api or anything? | 13:07 |
| kanzure | no | 13:08 |
| kanzure | I'm writing one | 13:08 |
| kanzure | it's in skdb, go ahead and clone or pull | 13:08 |
| xp_prg | sweet! | 13:08 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb.git | 13:08 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/doc/proposals/legos.py | 13:08 |
| kanzure | also: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/legos/ | 13:09 |
| kanzure | fenn: please tell me when you get make_arrow() working | 13:19 |
| ybit | umm | 13:20 |
| ybit | i have found the 'massive communication matrix' which kanzure speaks of | 13:20 |
| ybit | yup | 13:20 |
| ybit | indeed | 13:20 |
| kanzure | ? | 13:20 |
| ybit | exactly as you describe | 13:20 |
| kanzure | it's called Make | 13:20 |
| ybit | it's called emacs+org-mode+gnus+bbdb+scripts | 13:21 |
| kanzure | gnus? | 13:21 |
| kanzure | bbdb? | 13:21 |
| ybit | you are really going to like this | 13:21 |
| ybit | http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2007/051607-linuxworld-mail-madness.html?page=1 | 13:21 |
| ybit | Sending Templated Mail | 13:22 |
| ybit | Here we venture into the gray area of templates and mail. Is it unethical to use Emacs to compose a large number of personalizable messages to people you know? Beats me -- but it saves a lot of repetitive text entry. Even if you cut and paste, even if you insert registers, even if you use keyboard macros, composing individual messages to lots of people takes a lot of time. That's why I wrote this little snippet that makes it easy for me to compose indi | 13:22 |
| ybit | Fortunately, my friends can not only sniff out auto-generated mail but are also the sort to be amused by the Emacs hack behind it. When I used this to confirm the postal addresses of a large number of people (personalizing each message with a note), quite a few friends teased me about Emacs gaining even more artificial intelligence. I had shown them M-x doctor before, and they wondered if that was the logical next step. I also received one intentionall | 13:22 |
| ybit | If you have friends who are likely to know and laugh at the automation, or your friends don't care if you use tricks like that to keep in better touch, go ahead and use the following code. Please do not use this for evil. | 13:22 |
| ybit | sacha chua | 13:23 |
| ybit | is elite emacs hax0r | 13:23 |
| * ybit emails her for scripts | 13:23 | |
| kanzure | how would orgs-mode be integrated into that? | 13:24 |
| kanzure | to me, making a make script seems easier at this point | 13:24 |
| ybit | org-mode is god to me right now | 13:24 |
| ybit | it's part of everything | 13:24 |
| ybit | but since you ask... | 13:25 |
| kanzure | I do | 13:25 |
| ybit | http://orgmode.org/worg/org-hacks.php#sec-12 | 13:25 |
| ybit | Link to Gnus messages by Message-Id | 13:25 |
| ybit | In a recent thread on the Org-Mode mailing list, there was some discussion about linking to Gnus messages without encoding the folder name in the link. The following code hooks in to the store-link function in Gnus to capture links by Message-Id when in nnml folders, and then provides a link type "mid" which can open this link. The mde-org-gnus-open-message-link function uses the mde-mid-resolve-methods variable to determine what Gnus backends to scan. | 13:25 |
| ybit | It has only been tested with a single nnml backend, so there may be bugs lurking here and there. | 13:25 |
| kanzure | is that lisp? | 13:25 |
| ybit | The logic for finding the message was adapted from an Emacs Wiki article. | 13:25 |
| ybit | elisp | 13:25 |
| kanzure | ackkk | 13:25 |
| ybit | the emacs dialect of lisp | 13:26 |
| ybit | emacs-lisp* | 13:26 |
| ybit | your welcome | 13:27 |
| ybit | gnus is massive indeed | 13:27 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: * r3083e8b58be1 /paths.py: make_arrow... fuck you OCC | 13:30 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: * ra586ca8963d8 /paths.py: oops | 13:31 |
| kanzure | Handle_Geom_TrimmedCurve? | 13:51 |
| kanzure | why don't I just get a Handle_Geom_Curve ? | 13:51 |
| kanzure | https://svn.physiomeproject.org/svn/cmiss/cmgui/branches/cmgui-cad/prototype/visualisation/occpartfactory.cpp | 13:55 |
| kanzure | according to that document, | 13:55 |
| kanzure | BRepBuilderAPI_MakeEdge should be able to handle Handle_Geom_TrimmedCurve | 13:55 |
| ybit | hmmm... the only place to work on an aritificial hippocampus: berger's lab | 14:06 |
| ybit | as a grad student | 14:06 |
| ybit | grrr | 14:06 |
| ybit | where's the replication that i've come to (not) expect in science | 14:07 |
| kanzure | the artificial hippocampus was more like a DSP, IIRC | 14:08 |
| kanzure | not sure how it was implanted (or if it ever was) | 14:09 |
| ybit | yup | 14:09 |
| ybit | i can't recall if it has been tested in rats yet | 14:09 |
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| ybit | i was discussing el futuro with ev yesterday.. what's needed for distributed p2p research for say developing what berger is doing is, you guessed it, infrastructure | 14:16 |
| ybit | it's not there, skdb can definitely help | 14:16 |
| ybit | this type of research is good for maybe not being the first to get results but insuring that everyone has access to what comes of it | 14:17 |
| kanzure | line 452 in topology_local_operations.py is interesting | 14:18 |
| kanzure | gp_GTrsf() | 14:19 |
| kanzure | gtrf = gp_GTrsf() | 14:19 |
| kanzure | gtrf.SetTrsf(transform) | 14:20 |
| kanzure | tr = BRepBuilderAPI_GTransform(something.Shape(), grtf, True) | 14:20 |
| ybit | areer Profile: What do Biomedical Engineers do? | 14:29 |
| ybit | Biomedical engineers combine biology, medicine, and engineering and use advanced knowledge of engineering and science to solve medical and health-related problems. Biomedical engineers design massive MRI machines along with the microscopic machines used in surgery. They research and develop prostheses, evaluate the use of artificial organs, and improve instrumentation used in hospitals and clinics. | 14:29 |
| ybit | all closed source | 14:29 |
| ybit | unless in a research lab in which they are researching alternatives to traditional methods for medical devices | 14:30 |
| ybit | the artificial hippocampus has yet to be placed inside a rat | 14:31 |
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| flazmot | hippie campus | 14:39 |
| ybit | flazmot: you're in georgia? | 14:41 |
| kanzure | she forgot :( | 14:41 |
| ybit | :P | 14:42 |
| ybit | flazmot: you're of the female gender?.. | 14:42 |
| ybit | i'm starting to become less surprised when i see a woman interested in open hardware/h+ | 14:42 |
| ybit | which is kind of neat | 14:42 |
| kanzure | ybit: flazmot has been here all along | 14:42 |
| ybit | ? | 14:43 |
| kanzure | ybit: check yer logs | 14:43 |
| ybit | as a diff username? | 14:43 |
| ybit | hmm | 14:43 |
| -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 19 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal] | 14:43 | |
| kanzure | oh wait, nevermind | 14:43 |
| kanzure | flazmot: please forgive me | 14:43 |
| ybit | openluna and artemis need to combine maybe | 14:47 |
| ybit | openluna artemis and luf | 14:47 |
| kanzure | fenn: yes make_vertex() works correctly | 14:47 |
| ybit | or not | 14:51 |
| kanzure | openluna and artemis are both being rallied by charles f. radley so they are practically already 'joined' or something | 14:53 |
| ybit | glad to know | 14:53 |
| xp_prg | when you say something is due to something do you say do or due? | 14:53 |
| ybit | kanzure: how did you become aware of openluna btw? | 14:54 |
| ybit | xp_prg: due | 14:54 |
| * xp_prg hugs ybit | 14:54 | |
| ybit | er... dictionary | 14:54 |
| flazmot | hmm | 14:59 |
| kanzure | ybit: by randomly stalking open source space initiatives in 2007 | 15:06 |
| ybit | :) | 15:06 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r1111fa2227f5 /pymates/ (pymates.py rapid-test.py): make_vertex and show_interface_arrows added to pymates. remember to use radians and math.pi please. | 15:07 |
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| kanzure | hello embraceunity | 15:09 |
| kanzure | embraceunity: so you've been making reprap'd lego parts? | 15:09 |
| embraceunity | well | 15:10 |
| embraceunity | i intend to | 15:10 |
| kanzure | we've been adding legos to skdb recently | 15:10 |
| embraceunity | im just playing with the reprap parts themselves | 15:10 |
| embraceunity | which are close enought to legos | 15:10 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/doc/proposals/legos.py <-- take a look at the classes. | 15:10 |
| kanzure | maybe there's something that you'll see and fix or see and like lots | 15:10 |
| embraceunity | nice | 15:10 |
| embraceunity | http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/photo.php?pid=30852322&id=108300557&ref=mf | 15:11 |
| embraceunity | its me! | 15:11 |
| * ybit is already friends with you on facebook | 15:13 | |
| * ybit doesn't recall how | 15:13 | |
| ybit | 43 friends in common | 15:13 |
| embraceunity | hahaha | 15:13 |
| ybit | http://facebook/heathmatlock | 15:13 |
| kanzure | 26 friends in common | 15:13 |
| embraceunity | yea you added me awhile back | 15:13 |
| embraceunity | like a few weeks ago | 15:13 |
| embraceunity | sent a message about diyh+ | 15:14 |
| ybit | interesting | 15:14 |
| embraceunity | found me in the facebook group | 15:14 |
| ybit | _the_ facebook group? | 15:14 |
| * ybit is confused | 15:14 | |
| embraceunity | there is a diyh+ facebook group | 15:14 |
| ybit | ah | 15:14 |
| embraceunity | which nobody is active in | 15:14 |
| ybit | so a few days ago | 15:14 |
| kanzure | that's because we're all active in here | 15:14 |
| embraceunity | yea | 15:14 |
| ybit | yup | 15:14 |
| embraceunity | irc > facebook | 15:14 |
| embraceunity | facebook = proprietary crap | 15:14 |
| embraceunity | addictive proprietary crap | 15:15 |
| * ybit doesn't understand how college students have money to make a reprap | 15:15 | |
| kanzure | ybit: some college students have these things called "scholarships" | 15:16 |
| kanzure | fenn: DisplayColoredShape(shape,'RED') | 15:16 |
| ybit | i have a thing called grant, but even then i only get about 1,500 left over each semester | 15:16 |
| ybit | two semesters could probably pay for a reprap | 15:17 |
| kanzure | ybit: people who get full rides are getting $40k/semester apparently | 15:17 |
| ybit | o.O | 15:17 |
| kanzure | I'm sorry | 15:17 |
| kanzure | $40k/year | 15:17 |
| ybit | but that's for expensive schools | 15:17 |
| kanzure | not really | 15:17 |
| kanzure | but that's what I tell myself so that I can sleep at night | 15:18 |
| ybit | no? huh | 15:18 |
| ybit | evergreen state i think is $30k/year | 15:18 |
| * ybit had considered going there sometime ago | 15:18 | |
| ybit | when i didn't care about grades | 15:18 |
| ybit | still don't but now i take it as an insult if i don't get an A | 15:19 |
| ybit | so i tend to bust my arse off | 15:19 |
| embraceunity | i was able to begin my reprap in college, because i have been frugal since the age of 7 | 15:22 |
| embraceunity | it is in my blood or something | 15:22 |
| embraceunity | but cmon, repraps are cheap | 15:23 |
| ybit | $3k.. cheap? | 15:23 |
| embraceunity | no | 15:23 |
| embraceunity | more like 500 | 15:23 |
| embraceunity | if you build it yourself | 15:23 |
| embraceunity | and with this z-axis hack im doing | 15:23 |
| embraceunity | it is at least... 50 bucks cheapers | 15:23 |
| embraceunity | haha | 15:23 |
| ybit | wasn't smari that said that it costs $3k... /me greps | 15:24 |
| ybit | +it | 15:24 |
| embraceunity | that is totally wrong | 15:24 |
| embraceunity | i mean you can get a completely built one on makerbot | 15:24 |
| embraceunity | for 2.5k | 15:24 |
| embraceunity | but most of that is labor | 15:24 |
| embraceunity | the full kit un-built is a little over 1k | 15:25 |
| embraceunity | but that is because they are makerbot, and have special laser cut parts | 15:25 |
| embraceunity | i was shipped the 5th batch of reprapped parts | 15:25 |
| embraceunity | http://blog.reprap.org/2009/07/repstrapping-open-source-ecology.html | 15:25 |
| embraceunity | http://hydraraptor.blogspot.com/2009/07/hydraraptors-second-child.html | 15:26 |
| embraceunity | not having to pay for those parts | 15:26 |
| embraceunity | brought the cost down considerably | 15:26 |
| embraceunity | the only thing that kind of sucked is that i didn't already have a soldering kit or surface mounting kit | 15:27 |
| embraceunity | which made it 100 dollars more | 15:27 |
| ybit | hmm, grepping fails me | 15:27 |
| embraceunity | but since im donating this reprap to Factor e Farm, and will begin another one for Jata soon afterwards, and maybe another for me.... im sure the soldering stuff will get good use | 15:27 |
| embraceunity | it is a fixed cost | 15:27 |
| ybit | i originally was thinking it costs $700 or so until i was told by someone who has one that it would costs nearly $3k | 15:28 |
| ybit | ..usd | 15:28 |
| kanzure | embraceunity: jata said that a friend is shipping her a reprap | 15:28 |
| ybit | maybe that's for the bits and bytes laser cutting machine?.. | 15:28 |
| kanzure | she said that a few days ago actually | 15:28 |
| embraceunity | 700 might be correct for someone who doesnt own any soldering equipment, isn't using the z-axis hack, and has high shipping costs | 15:28 |
| kanzure | are you sure that she doesn't already have one? | 15:28 |
| embraceunity | maybe this is new | 15:29 |
| embraceunity | i havent spoken to her about it in awhile | 15:29 |
| embraceunity | in any event, Mendel will probably be out soon... so hopefully the next one I build will be a sexy version 2.0 one | 15:32 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: * r038326791391 /paths.py: i declare make_arrow finished! now what is it doing in this file? | 15:37 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: * rf815d053e2d5 /pymates/ (pymates.py rapid-test.py): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb | 15:37 |
| kanzure | er, what did you do to pymates.py? | 15:37 |
| kanzure | just a merge ok | 15:37 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r37265a38048b /doc/ (proposals/legos.py todo/pymates-todo): legos.py made to be slightly more compatible with pymates in the future; pymates-todo updated | 15:40 |
| kanzure | Eric Hunting just learned about http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/ ? wtf. | 15:42 |
| fenn | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site:groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing+++++++http://www.islandone.org/MMSG/aasm/+&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | 15:44 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: * rbf475b24c067 /paths.py: add some demo text (yeah it sucks) and fix silly bugs | 16:06 |
| draz|lab | can someone help me find a list of proteins uniquely expressed in cardiomyocytes | 16:48 |
| kanzure | can you give us the cell line ID? | 17:04 |
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| drazak | kanzure: HL-1 | 17:20 |
| kanzure | heh not easy to search with | 17:27 |
| drazak | yeah | 17:27 |
| drazak | I'm trying to find a more modern equivelent cell line | 17:28 |
| drazak | you can't even find the media that they used in the paper saying how they isolated HL-1s | 17:28 |
| kanzure | have you checked Nature Protocols? | 17:28 |
| drazak | not yet | 17:29 |
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| drazak | nope | 17:30 |
| kanzure | paper requests should be added to adl:/var/www/to-get.txt from now on | 17:41 |
| kanzure | not sure about the format of the file however | 17:41 |
| kanzure | fenn: any ideas why the coordinate axises are not being shown in pymates/pymates.py or pymates/rapid-test.py or even in pymates/shell.sh ? | 17:46 |
| kanzure | the pythonOCC demos do not do anything out of the ordinary to make it display | 17:46 |
| drazak | kanzure: we should setup a free ticketing thing to put paper and book requests in | 17:47 |
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| kanzure | drazak: ticketing? | 17:47 |
| kanzure | drazak: pyscholar should (eventually) be able to parse /var/www/papers/to-get.txt | 17:48 |
| kanzure | oh crap | 17:48 |
| kanzure | sorry.. I meant to say /var/www/papers/to-get.txt earlier | 17:48 |
| kanzure | not /var/www/to-get.txt | 17:48 |
| drazak | ok | 17:49 |
| drazak | but right now it can't | 17:49 |
| kanzure | actually it can if we want it to | 17:50 |
| kanzure | we just have to decide on the input format | 17:50 |
| kanzure | it is able to fetch PDFs from Google Scholar at the moment | 17:50 |
| kanzure | and there's a partially working ScienceDirect scraper | 17:50 |
| kanzure | this covers a lot of ground, but not the edge cases | 17:50 |
| kanzure | so this is a good start IMHO | 17:50 |
| drazak | then figure out a format :P | 17:52 |
| kanzure | wah | 17:52 |
| drazak | I need to work on a research proposal for what I want to do, IE: finding the best conditions for conditioning MSC's into cardiomyocyte precursors | 17:52 |
| kanzure | m-something stem cells? | 17:52 |
| drazak | mesencymal | 17:53 |
| drazak | bone marrow derived | 17:53 |
| kanzure | why not induced pluripotent stem cells? | 17:53 |
| kanzure | that way you have a common baseline from nearly anything | 17:53 |
| kanzure | and lots of people are going to be using iPSCs in their work more frequently now | 17:54 |
| * kanzure installs pyscholar on adl | 17:55 | |
| * kanzure wonders why he calls davinci 'adl' | 17:56 | |
| drazak | wellllll | 17:57 |
| drazak | because it's what the lab is working with | 17:58 |
| CIA-43 | pyscholar: kanzure master * rfc3be3f / sciencedirect-notes.py : namespace fix - http://bit.ly/3DprS | 17:58 |
| CIA-43 | pyscholar: kanzure master * r3682ee0 / (43 files in 7 dirs): moving stuff around - http://bit.ly/vQFfR | 17:58 |
| CIA-43 | pyscholar: kanzure master * rfcdcd2c / (8 files in 2 dirs): cleaning up the main directory - http://bit.ly/ZP4I6 | 17:58 |
| CIA-43 | pyscholar: kanzure master * raaec9f8 / (30 files in 2 dirs): moved test data - http://bit.ly/kD5db | 17:58 |
| drazak | we've already proved that they can stave off heart failure in TO-2 mice | 17:58 |
| CIA-43 | pyscholar: kanzure master * r68c99c5 / tests/tests.py : unit tests - http://bit.ly/22u9Hk | 17:58 |
| kanzure | wtf | 17:58 |
| kanzure | oh, I guess I didn't push to github in a while | 17:58 |
| kanzure | drazak: okay. | 17:58 |
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| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r04c9cf71648b /pymates/ (interface.py part.py pymates.py): cleaned up pymates. added docstrings. removed old/useless methods. | 18:20 |
| kanzure | gee it's nice when things work | 18:24 |
| fenn | whee | 18:24 |
| kanzure | I meant the code, not you :p | 18:25 |
| fenn | "Sensitive files including Secret Service safehouse locations, military rosters, and IRS tax returns can still be found on file-sharing networks... | 18:25 |
| fenn | In many cases, that's because federal government employees or contractors installed peer-to-peer software on their computers without paying attention to which documents would be shared" | 18:25 |
| drazak | kanzure: can it pull all the reviews? on mesencyhmal stem cells and then name them via their titles? | 18:25 |
| kanzure | some slashdotters thought it might be a hoax in an attempt to make up excuses for banning p2p whistleblowing on government networks | 18:25 |
| fenn | " That led some politicians to announce that new federal laws were necessary to stop inadvertent file sharing." | 18:25 |
| kanzure | drazak: that's the idea.. at the moment it does not download PDFs from google. but it wouldn't be hard to make it do that | 18:25 |
| kanzure | drazak: take a look at adl:/home/bryan/code/pyscholar/results/ | 18:26 |
| fenn | so we need new laws to protect the government from their own employees? | 18:26 |
| kanzure | drazak: microfluidics-gene-synthesis.yaml and PDMS.yaml are the output of the Google Scholar module | 18:26 |
| drazak | wtf is a yaml? | 18:26 |
| fenn | not a markup language | 18:27 |
| * drazak eyerolls | 18:27 | |
| kanzure | drazak: it's like pickle except not | 18:27 |
| drazak | ok | 18:27 |
| drazak | well, it'd be cool if it could do that something before the end of the weekend | 18:27 |
| drazak | :P | 18:27 |
| kanzure | drazak: could you add a list of queries that you want me to run to pyscholar/tests/ | 18:28 |
| drazak | sure | 18:28 |
| kanzure | preferably, move to your ~ on adl and git clone | 18:28 |
| kanzure | and then commit the list | 18:28 |
| kanzure | and then I'll clone | 18:28 |
| kanzure | er, pull | 18:29 |
| fenn | '"the nuclear option is to block the Gnutella protocol" on a national basis.' LOL | 18:29 |
| drazak | git clone... what? | 18:29 |
| kanzure | drazak: git clone /home/bryan/code/pyscholar/ | 18:29 |
| drazak | yeah, got it | 18:30 |
| kanzure | actually I guess you could commit it from my code directory | 18:30 |
| kanzure | and it should preserve your user information | 18:30 |
| drazak | I don't know shit about git | 18:30 |
| drazak | so in tests/requests.txt? | 18:30 |
| kanzure | yes please | 18:30 |
| kanzure | then do: "git add tests/requests.txt" | 18:30 |
| kanzure | then do: "git commit" | 18:30 |
| kanzure | then do: "kanzure you fucktard! pull!" | 18:31 |
| kanzure | this way I'll have something to test pyscholar's google scholar wrapper on :) some nice juicy queries, I hope | 18:31 |
| kanzure | nothing particularly crazy please .. i.e., something that preferably will turn up some results heh' | 18:31 |
| drazak | they should all pull results | 18:32 |
| drazak | drazak@dhcp-84-253:~/pyscholar/tests$ git commit | 18:33 |
| drazak | [master 62c6715] Drazak's requests 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) create mode 100644 tests/requests.txt | 18:33 |
| drazak | cia doesn't report for me apparently | 18:33 |
| fenn | cia only reports changes on github (which only kanzure has write access to) or skdb | 18:33 |
| drazak | ah | 18:33 |
| kanzure | also, it wouldn't announce your changes anyway | 18:34 |
| kanzure | since you git clone'd | 18:34 |
| kanzure | and cia is some extra config | 18:34 |
| drazak | ah | 18:35 |
| CIA-43 | pyscholar: kanzure master * r5147b17 / tests/tests.py : fixed a typo error in tests.py - http://bit.ly/Ig1yn | 18:35 |
| CIA-43 | pyscholar: drazak master * r62c6715 / tests/requests.txt : Drazak's requests - http://bit.ly/IAjYe | 18:35 |
| drazak | ah | 18:35 |
| kanzure | some nice discussions happening on zotero-dev | 18:45 |
| kanzure | ybit: will you post orgs-mode+gnus+bbds to diytranshumanist? | 18:46 |
| drazak | kanzure: could you parse the requests file so that I could have a section, you could, fenn could, etc, and then have it put them in ~user/public_html/papers ? | 18:49 |
| drazak | in a folder under the name of the request | 18:49 |
| kanzure | drazak: which requests file | 18:50 |
| kanzure | tests/requests.txt or /var/www/papers/to-get.txt ? | 18:50 |
| kanzure | drazak: actually, why not put it in ~user/public_html/papers/requests.txt ? | 18:50 |
| kanzure | and then I'll just look for users that have requests | 18:50 |
| kanzure | not sure about the "in a folder under the name of the request" part though. | 18:51 |
| drazak | that'd work | 18:51 |
| drazak | ok | 18:51 |
| kanzure | neat | 18:52 |
| drazak | so the request is, say, "mesenchymal stem cells" have it make a folder named mesenchymal_stem_cells and then put the scraped papers in tehre | 18:52 |
| kanzure | I think the request should be more specific | 18:52 |
| kanzure | gimme a sec | 18:52 |
| drazak | instead of lumping them into ~/papers/ | 18:52 |
| kanzure | oh, sure | 18:53 |
| kanzure | yeah there's also /var/www/papers/unsorted/ btw where humans have not ventured yet | 18:53 |
| drazak | that's a good idea | 18:55 |
| kanzure | ok check out adl:/home/bryan/code/pyscholar/doc/proposals/to-get.yaml | 18:55 |
| kanzure | how about that format? | 18:55 |
| drazak | there's no such file | 18:56 |
| kanzure | huh | 18:57 |
| kanzure | well I pushed | 18:57 |
| drazak | drazak@dhcp-84-253:/home/bryan/code/pyscholar/doc$ ls | 18:57 |
| drazak | TODO | 18:57 |
| kanzure | yeah I see the same thing on the server | 18:58 |
| drazak | need to pull on the server | 18:58 |
| kanzure | no, I pushed from where I am at the moment to the server | 18:58 |
| kanzure | which usually works .. hrm. | 18:58 |
| drazak | welllllllllllllll it didn't! :P | 18:58 |
| kanzure | ok check again | 18:59 |
| kanzure | for some reason "git status" on adl said "deleted: proposals/to-get.yaml" | 18:59 |
| kanzure | so I had to do "git reset --hard" | 18:59 |
| drazak | we have to limit it to 10 results? | 19:00 |
| drazak | I wanted all of them :P | 19:00 |
| drazak | that way I could get them instantly when I'm not at work | 19:00 |
| kanzure | I just randomly typed 10, sorry :p | 19:00 |
| drazak | oh, ok :) | 19:00 |
| drazak | could 0 be all? | 19:00 |
| kanzure | google does 10 to 100 results per page | 19:00 |
| kanzure | why not just say "all" | 19:00 |
| kanzure | instead of "10" | 19:00 |
| drazak | oh, sounds good | 19:01 |
| kanzure | :) | 19:01 |
| drazak | :) | 19:01 |
| kanzure | on zotero-dev, bruce and I were talking about making a new standard for some scrapers | 19:02 |
| drazak | and the it'll put it into ~$requester/public_html/papers/ | 19:02 |
| kanzure | there should be a separation of the scraper that maps attributes to xpaths | 19:02 |
| drazak | and the it'll put it into ~$requester/public_html/papers/$query/ that is | 19:02 |
| kanzure | and then there should be a separate way to say, "this is how you clean up the data that you harvested" | 19:02 |
| kanzure | because typically there are certain special things you have to do with the data | 19:02 |
| kanzure | and in each language it varies slightly differently | 19:02 |
| kanzure | in javascript versus python, the string manipulation routines are different | 19:03 |
| kanzure | maybe a regular expression would be adequate, maybe nto | 19:03 |
| kanzure | *not | 19:03 |
| drazak | kanzure: requester should be self evident though, because it should pull the requester from the ~ that the request file is in | 19:05 |
| kanzure | okay | 19:06 |
| kanzure | in yaml, all of these attributes are optional | 19:06 |
| kanzure | that's the beauty of yaml | 19:06 |
| kanzure | so you don't even need to have a "date" attribute there | 19:06 |
| kanzure | but if you wanted a reminder for when it was put in as a request, well, there you go | 19:06 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * rb8dcd0d7fe8c /pymates/models/ (blockhole.yaml peg.yaml): got the rotations right this time I hope | 19:07 |
| drazak | ah | 19:08 |
| ybit | kanzure: yeah, will do it shortly. heading to my bro's house will have time to do it then | 19:08 |
| drazak | kanzure: should I commit a revised requests.txt? | 19:08 |
| kanzure | drazak: sure | 19:09 |
| drazak | done | 19:10 |
| kanzure | cool | 19:12 |
| kanzure | I hate your date format :p | 19:12 |
| drazak | lol | 19:12 |
| drazak | how would you prefer it? :P | 19:12 |
| drazak | I did it that way because when we save shit at work wehave to do it like that | 19:13 |
| drazak | CURSED WINDOWS | 19:13 |
| kanzure | it's ok, I fixed it | 19:14 |
| drazak | :P | 19:14 |
| CIA-43 | pyscholar: kanzure master * rc6124fa / doc/proposals/to-get.yaml : proposal for to-get file format - http://bit.ly/K42pZ | 19:14 |
| CIA-43 | pyscholar: drazak master * r1ba6194 / tests/requests.txt : Revised requests file for correct format - http://bit.ly/16Kjyt | 19:14 |
| CIA-43 | pyscholar: Bryan Bishop master * rbfe40ce / doc/proposals/common-scrapers.txt : common-scrapers.txt - http://bit.ly/uIFQu | 19:14 |
| CIA-43 | pyscholar: Bryan Bishop master * r2e9a233 / tests/requests.txt : Merge /home/bryan/../drazak/pyscholar - http://bit.ly/WpPE0 | 19:14 |
| CIA-43 | pyscholar: Bryan Bishop master * r0ae215d / tests/requests.txt : fixed drazak crap :p - http://bit.ly/zwXTq | 19:14 |
| drazak | hey I has no crap! | 19:16 |
| drazak | well, just hilight me on irc when you get it to scrape for my requested papers | 19:23 |
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| kanzure | http://buildyourcnc.com/blacktoe.aspx | 19:30 |
| -!- fenn changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: cool, practical, legal; pick two | 19:31 | |
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| ybit-scanning | i've considered holding off on posting something to diyh+, but i will go ahead and post something | 19:47 |
| ybit-scanning | i can post my screencasts later | 19:47 |
| ybit-scanning | i was thinking screencasts might be more helpful for those not familiar with emacs/gnus/bbdb/org | 19:48 |
| ybit-scanning | that's what i was thinking of on the way to this house at least | 19:49 |
| ybit-scanning | ack, my arm is starting to hurt. i may have injured myself scanning a book :P | 20:08 |
| drazak | lol | 20:08 |
| kanzure | maybe you should sue the book company for endangerment | 20:09 |
| drazak | :P | 20:10 |
| ybit-scanning | http://www.rewardprograms.org/thefreegeek/features/the_diy_guide_to_becoming_a_real_cyborg.html | 20:12 |
| fenn | ybit-scanning: it's probably emac's crippling keybindings :P | 20:13 |
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| ybit-scanning | fenn: :P | 20:16 |
| ybit-scanning | and voila problem solved | 20:16 |
| ybit-scanning | it was coming from having to hold the book on the scanner so that it didn't fall off and so that the scanner could scan all the pages... with a little thinking, the problem has been resolved | 20:17 |
| ybit-scanning | \o/ | 20:17 |
| drazak | C-x C-m C-hurtme | 20:17 |
| fenn | you used your robotic alarm clock to prop the book up | 20:18 |
| ybit-scanning | fenn: something like that | 20:18 |
| ybit-scanning | drazak: you got it all wrong | 20:18 |
| ybit-scanning | C-x C-m C-bdsm | 20:19 |
| fenn | C-x C-m butterflies-attack! | 20:19 |
| drazak | :P | 20:19 |
| kanzure | damn emacs users clogging up my tubes | 20:19 |
| ybit-scanning | that's what she said | 20:20 |
| fenn | does emacs have a TCP/IP stack? | 20:20 |
| ybit-scanning | dunno | 20:22 |
| ybit-scanning | haven't checked | 20:22 |
| drazak | hmm, what are good places to print 1350 pages for free? | 20:23 |
| drazak | universities somewhere? | 20:24 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM | 20:25 |
| ybit-scanning | drazak: unsuspecting friends | 20:25 |
| drazak | ybit-scanning: lol | 20:25 |
| ybit-scanning | or work @ a library. i know i abused our laser printer there until they finally started making employees pay if it was 20 pages or more | 20:25 |
| drazak | I don't know if my work would be happy with me doing that | 20:25 |
| * drazak is new | 20:26 | |
| fenn | lots of university students have leftover printing allotments at the end of the year/semester | 20:29 |
| fenn | but why would you want to print all that? | 20:29 |
| drazak | so I can put it all into a big binder so I can refer to it without finding the fucking paper again | 20:29 |
| drazak | and seperate every paper by a divider thing | 20:29 |
| fenn | here's a hint: put your pdf's in directories | 20:29 |
| drazak | that doesn't help me much :P | 20:30 |
| drazak | that means I have to have a computer I can log into | 20:30 |
| fenn | put them on a DVD? | 20:30 |
| fenn | you DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER? | 20:30 |
| drazak | I can't log into the shite at work for like 5 months | 20:30 |
| drazak | they take forever to put people into the system | 20:30 |
| fenn | get a netbook; they're 99 times more powerful than a 1990's computer and only cost $200 | 20:30 |
| kanzure | bring a laptop? | 20:30 |
| kanzure | ok. netbook. | 20:31 |
| drazak | yeah | 20:31 |
| drazak | I think that's what I'm gonna start doing | 20:31 |
| fenn | and likely to never break, unlike laptops | 20:31 |
| drazak | but I prefer hardcopy | 20:31 |
| drazak | :S | 20:31 |
| * drazak oldschool | 20:31 | |
| fenn | in which case i suggest getting a stone engraving machine | 20:31 |
| fenn | Because You Never Know | 20:31 |
| drazak | lol | 20:31 |
| drazak | I'm just gonna print them over a long time | 20:32 |
| drazak | I won't know what I want until friday anyway | 20:32 |
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| ybit | b | 20:59 |
| kanzure | ? | 21:04 |
| kanzure | Ian_Daniher: so, what equipment have you built or do you have laying around? | 21:09 |
| Ian_Daniher | Over the past few years, I've obtained | 21:09 |
| Ian_Daniher | 7 100ml beakers, a handful of pyrex testtubes, a 10ml and 100ml graduated cyl, a large selection of vacuum flasks | 21:10 |
| Ian_Daniher | a 1L 3 necked flask | 21:10 |
| Ian_Daniher | I'm working on an overhead stirrer and a chloralkali cell | 21:10 |
| kanzure | there was this great article once about how to do easy glassblowing "in the name of science" | 21:10 |
| Ian_Daniher | hm | 21:10 |
| kanzure | so, quick question | 21:11 |
| Ian_Daniher | I have a couple dozen 10cm soda-lime glasses | 21:11 |
| kanzure | do you use linux ever? | 21:11 |
| Ian_Daniher | for glassblowing special apparatus | 21:11 |
| fenn | it's not like you can't just use pyrex measuring cups | 21:11 |
| Ian_Daniher | yes, I use arch linux on my netbook | 21:11 |
| Ian_Daniher | and I use debian on my XO laptop | 21:11 |
| kanzure | Ian_Daniher: do you know about "apt-get"? I don't know what arch has. archer, maybe | 21:11 |
| Ian_Daniher | and on my server | 21:11 |
| Ian_Daniher | yeah, I'm familiar with apt-get | 21:11 |
| kanzure | okay I'll take that as a yes | 21:11 |
| Ian_Daniher | and apt-cache | 21:11 |
| kanzure | well heres the project plan in here | 21:11 |
| kanzure | apt-get but for hardware :) | 21:11 |
| kanzure | apt-get me a damn chemical vapor deposition machine | 21:11 |
| Ian_Daniher | hrm | 21:12 |
| Ian_Daniher | content management system for FOSH? | 21:12 |
| kanzure | not really a CMS | 21:12 |
| Ian_Daniher | coupled with a rep-rap type machine? | 21:12 |
| fenn | any day now and we'll be able to print instructions for assembling legos :P | 21:12 |
| fenn | but it's general enough to expand to anything | 21:12 |
| kanzure | Ian_Daniher: coupled to any type of manufacturing equipment | 21:12 |
| fenn | so for instance if you don't have enough legos it will print them out on your reprap | 21:12 |
| Ian_Daniher | huh | 21:12 |
| Ian_Daniher | cool | 21:12 |
| kanzure | so yeah, chemical hardware would be awesome to add to the packages | 21:13 |
| Ian_Daniher | very cool | 21:13 |
| fenn | what's a 3 necked flask for? | 21:13 |
| fenn | all i know is they're illegal in texas | 21:13 |
| Ian_Daniher | any DIY Bio Bostonians in here? | 21:13 |
| kanzure | Ian_Daniher: wrldpc and a few others | 21:13 |
| Ian_Daniher | fenn: used for some complex organic syntheses | 21:13 |
| Ian_Daniher | fenn: and, as with most pieces of labware, they're useful for the synthesis of amphetamine-class street drugs | 21:14 |
| fenn | is there such a thing as a chemical experiment cell? so you dont have to stick your face right next to the boiling vat of explosive carcinogenic acid | 21:14 |
| Ian_Daniher | automating chemical syntheses? | 21:14 |
| fenn | ideally i'd just program in some parameters and watch it go | 21:15 |
| kanzure | well, there's a few ideas for doing that with microfluidics | 21:15 |
| Ian_Daniher | it's something I have a lot of interest in | 21:15 |
| kanzure | like "print out a factory on a CD" | 21:15 |
| Ian_Daniher | except on a microindustrial scale | 21:15 |
| kanzure | right | 21:15 |
| Ian_Daniher | above that of microfluidics | 21:15 |
| kanzure | Ian_Daniher: do you know about retrosynthetic analysis? | 21:15 |
| kanzure | it's a way of figuring out how to go from "some complex gnarly chemical" to something simpler | 21:15 |
| * Ian_Daniher googles | 21:15 | |
| kanzure | so that you can go from simple compounds to more complex compounds | 21:15 |
| kanzure | so, with the right automated design tools, | 21:15 |
| kanzure | you could literally "print" out a factory that synthesizes some gnarly chemical | 21:16 |
| Ian_Daniher | huh | 21:16 |
| Ian_Daniher | that's a really interesting concept | 21:16 |
| kanzure | it won a nobel prize in the 60s IIRC | 21:16 |
| Ian_Daniher | cool | 21:16 |
| Ian_Daniher | my interests have been artificially focused around the synthesis of reagents due to the immense difficulties in procuring chemicals in today's day and age | 21:17 |
| kanzure | maybe it's easier to have just a few square meters of chemlab than it is to duplicate Dow's hundred thousand acres | 21:17 |
| kanzure | right | 21:17 |
| Ian_Daniher | so the scale I've been studying most is the microindustrial scale of tens or hundreds of MLs | 21:17 |
| Ian_Daniher | studying/working on | 21:17 |
| kanzure | Ian_Daniher: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/microfluidics/ might be of interest to you. | 21:18 |
| kanzure | Mega liters? | 21:18 |
| fenn | that would be macro-industrial | 21:18 |
| Ian_Daniher | ml | 21:18 |
| Ian_Daniher | mea culpa | 21:18 |
| kanzure | shame on you | 21:18 |
| Ian_Daniher | mL? | 21:18 |
| fenn | ml | 21:18 |
| Ian_Daniher | indeed. | 21:18 |
| kanzure | I'd prefer mega however | 21:18 |
| kanzure | so feel free to do that | 21:18 |
| Ian_Daniher | haha. I see more merit in multiple ml-scale reactors in each household or lab than I do with a small handful of ML reactors | 21:19 |
| kanzure | purification seems to be the bottleneck at the moment | 21:19 |
| fenn | instrumentation too | 21:20 |
| Ian_Daniher | the loss in efficiency for downscaling is partially made up via reduced transportation costs, and a decentralized infrastructure is harder to hurt and signficiantly more conducive to the hobbiest | 21:20 |
| Ian_Daniher | kanzure: why did you ask about distillation apparatus? | 21:20 |
| kanzure | recent obsession with purification equipment | 21:20 |
| Ian_Daniher | haha | 21:20 |
| Ian_Daniher | why? | 21:20 |
| kanzure | because one of our projects in here is to do diy DNA synthesis | 21:21 |
| fenn | distillation is pretty easy | 21:21 |
| fenn | i dont think it works for stuff like nucleotides though | 21:21 |
| kanzure | right | 21:21 |
| * Ian_Daniher agrees | 21:21 | |
| Ian_Daniher | reduced pressure steam distillation maybe? | 21:22 |
| fenn | i think you need special "resins" whatever that means | 21:22 |
| kanzure | column chromatography should be fine. but distillation was just a side-venture I guess. | 21:22 |
| ybit-scanning | bastards, i think they may have cancelled my domain by accident | 21:23 |
| ybit-scanning | Org Agenda + Appt + Zenity | 21:25 |
| ybit-scanning | ""Russell Adams posted this setup on the list. It make sure your agenda appointments are known by Emacs, and it displays warnings in a zenity popup window. " | 21:26 |
| ybit-scanning | that may be of interest in alerting you that you haven't sent an email to so and so | 21:27 |
| ybit-scanning | especially if you start using emacs for everything which it seems i'm starting to do | 21:27 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r5547ecb4d78a /pymates/pymates.py: screw everything up | 21:32 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r5933f5b0c72e /pymates/models/peg.yaml: more yaml changes | 21:32 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * r0b305bd878bf / (7 files in 3 dirs): pymates.py has now been verified to be working. changed some numbers around in the models. | 21:32 |
| fenn | so, does the lego stuff go in pymates? | 21:33 |
| kanzure | or does pymates go into the lego stuff? | 21:33 |
| kanzure | I think lego->pymates | 21:33 |
| fenn | oo that's deep man | 21:33 |
| kanzure | it's only 9 inches | 21:34 |
| fenn | typical philosopher turn you on your head technique | 21:34 |
| kanzure | were you asking a different question? | 21:34 |
| fenn | is pymates supposed to be a general purpose interface compatibility engine? | 21:34 |
| kanzure | yes | 21:35 |
| fenn | erm. so, uh. shouldn't the general classes from lego go in pymates, and the rest get put into a new lego package? | 21:36 |
| fenn | lego.py i mean | 21:36 |
| kanzure | yes | 21:36 |
| kanzure | lego should probably inherit from pymates.Part | 21:38 |
| kanzure | er, Lego | 21:38 |
| kanzure | and really pymates.Part should eventually become skdb.Part | 21:38 |
| kanzure | but let's not worry about that right now | 21:38 |
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| ybit-scanning | argh, hate repeating myself | 21:46 |
| ybit-scanning | did it in the diyh+ email, guess i'm tired | 21:47 |
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| kanzure | ybit died :( | 21:48 |
| fenn | can't i just do from pymates import Part (in skdb.py) | 21:49 |
| kanzure | yes | 21:50 |
| kanzure | er, maybe not. | 21:50 |
| kanzure | from pymates.part import Part | 21:50 |
| fenn | you'd put stuff in a separate python file? | 21:51 |
| fenn | what is the point of one class per file? | 21:51 |
| kanzure | you'd rather say from pymates.pymates import Part ? | 21:52 |
| fenn | no i'd rather say from pymates import Part | 21:52 |
| kanzure | why would that work if it's in pymates/pymates.py | 21:52 |
| fenn | because your __init__.py includes everything | 21:52 |
| kanzure | oh right | 21:52 |
| kanzure | you can already say that actually | 21:53 |
| kanzure | "from pymates import Part" | 21:53 |
| kanzure | so nevermind | 21:53 |
| kanzure | have fun | 21:53 |
| fenn | you know when i rant about not polluting namespaces i dont mean you should have to prefix everything with its absolute path | 21:54 |
| kanzure | oh | 21:54 |
| kanzure | then what do you mean? | 21:54 |
| * kanzure hears clicking. indicating pasting.. | 21:55 | |
| fenn | well for example you could do: display = OCC.Display.wxSamplesGui.display and save a lot of typing | 21:55 |
| kanzure | the other day you admitted that the typing doesn't actually take that long | 21:55 |
| kanzure | or something | 21:55 |
| kanzure | "the other day" being a few weeks ago | 21:55 |
| fenn | well, ok | 21:55 |
| Ian_Daniher | kanzure: you mentioned you nearly went to olin; where else did you look / where did you wind up? | 21:55 |
| kanzure | Ian_Daniher: http://heybryan.org/school/universities.html is a list of everywhere that I considered | 21:56 |
| kanzure | Ian_Daniher: I ended up at the University of Texas at Austin. | 21:56 |
| fenn | it's in pymates.py 14 times, just sayin.. | 21:56 |
| Ian_Daniher | looks like heybryan is down | 21:57 |
| CIA-43 | skdb: kanzure * rcbcc3418c02c /pymates/ (interface.py mate.py pymates.py): integrated legos.py into pymates, without the Hole and Peg interfaces and Lego class- which should go into its own sepcial package I guess | 21:57 |
| kanzure | Ian_Daniher: it just takes forever to load | 21:57 |
| kanzure | Ian_Daniher: it's on a residential connection, and I have a retarded ISP | 21:57 |
| fenn | i got 404 | 21:58 |
| fenn | <200b/s :( | 21:58 |
| Ian_Daniher | The requested URL /school/universities.html was not found on this server. | 21:58 |
| kanzure | ack | 21:58 |
| kanzure | how dare I forget a link on my own server | 21:59 |
| fenn | have you considered blocking robots access to pdf files? | 21:59 |
| kanzure | how would people download them then? | 21:59 |
| fenn | they would click on it, or instruct their robots to ignore robots.txt | 21:59 |
| fenn | you could also convert pdf to html if you want to lure people in with google | 22:01 |
| kanzure | aha | 22:01 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/school/edu.html | 22:01 |
| fenn | the problem is the robots constantly downloading huge files | 22:01 |
| kanzure | how do you know that | 22:01 |
| fenn | well i don't | 22:01 |
| kanzure | you don't have my webalyzer stats | 22:01 |
| kanzure | secretly it's because of the porn server I'm runninng | 22:01 |
| fenn | "you don't know anything about me!" | 22:01 |
| kanzure | :'( | 22:01 |
| kanzure | ok, robots.txt updated | 22:03 |
| fenn | this is where you're supposed to run into your room and cut yourself, because only the pain eases the pain of being misunderstood | 22:03 |
| Ian_Daniher | oh dear is that slow :P | 22:03 |
| Ian_Daniher | 156b/s | 22:03 |
| Ian_Daniher | I have a residential line and I get 70kbps up :D | 22:03 |
| Ian_Daniher | and we're on a midling plan | 22:04 |
| kanzure | try now? | 22:04 |
| fenn | the cable modem seems to get clogged at >20kB/s | 22:04 |
| kanzure | there's a fan pointing directly at it | 22:05 |
| fenn | i thought this was amusing http://heybryan.org/school/ss/process.txt | 22:05 |
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| kanzure | fenn: it was my old studying routine for history class | 22:06 |
| Ian_Daniher | kanzure: you looked at pretty much the same schools I did | 22:07 |
| Ian_Daniher | actually, you looked at significantly more than I did | 22:07 |
| kanzure | that was the plan :) | 22:07 |
| Ian_Daniher | I looked at CWRU, Olin, RPI, UC, and [wishfully] MIT | 22:07 |
| kanzure | MIT told me I wasn't a team player | 22:07 |
| kanzure | so I'm supposed to hate all of you | 22:07 |
| kanzure | rawr | 22:07 |
| Ian_Daniher | ahah | 22:08 |
| Ian_Daniher | *haha | 22:08 |
| Ian_Daniher | ouch | 22:08 |
| Ian_Daniher | I didn't apply to MIT, and I'm legit regretting it, considering Olin is harder to get into than MIT | 22:08 |
| kanzure | my grandmother wanted me to go to olin | 22:08 |
| kanzure | so I decided not to go | 22:08 |
| Ian_Daniher | haha | 22:08 |
| Ian_Daniher | did you apply/get in? | 22:08 |
| kanzure | no | 22:08 |
| kanzure | no | 22:09 |
| * Ian_Daniher nods | 22:09 | |
| fenn | you let your grandparents opinion change your decision? wtf | 22:10 |
| kanzure | that wasn't my actual decision process, fenn | 22:10 |
| kanzure | but it does get kind of annoying to have suggestions constantly pounded into your head | 22:10 |
| kanzure | unsolicited suggestions, even | 22:11 |
| fenn | Hey you should make a DNA synthesizer out of gum wrappers | 22:11 |
| kanzure | I think I was more of a robot back in school than I am now | 22:11 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/school/Physics.html | 22:11 |
| * ybit lives! cue the booing and beer bottle throwing | 22:11 | |
| fenn | they used to make this gum with packaging that was sort of like a 96 well plate, except it only had 6 wells | 22:12 |
| kanzure | confusion | 22:12 |
| fenn | </genehacker> | 22:12 |
| kanzure | genehacker is not an XHTML tag, at least not yet anyway | 22:12 |
| Ian_Daniher | it's an XML tag though :P | 22:13 |
| ybit | Ian_Daniher makes a point | 22:14 |
| Ian_Daniher | does anyone else in here attempt to maintain a decently stocked chemical supply room? | 22:16 |
| * Ian_Daniher is looking for someone sympathetic to his plight concerning reagent acquisition | 22:17 | |
| ybit | you're in the right channel | 22:17 |
| Ian_Daniher | either here or ##chemistry | 22:17 |
| Ian_Daniher | but ironically enough, I've found ##chemistry to be populated by a large number of newbs and noobs | 22:17 |
| ybit | Ian_Daniher: are you looking to exchange or something? what are you asking exactly? | 22:19 |
| Ian_Daniher | ybit: potentially looking to trade, but mostly just looking for someone else who I can talk to about sources and such | 22:20 |
| * ybit subscribes to Ian_Daniher on identi.ca | 22:21 | |
| Ian_Daniher | ybit: twitter.com/itdaniher | 22:21 |
| ybit | ..and twitter | 22:21 |
| fenn | ew | 22:21 |
| Ian_Daniher | ybit: what's your interest in such things? | 22:22 |
| * ybit forgets, it isn't polite to use these words in front of fenn | 22:22 | |
| Ian_Daniher | fenn: get over it. twitter has its uses. :P | 22:22 |
| Ian_Daniher | fenn: I admit that twitter is populated by a lot of worthless people talking about worthless events and worthless lives, however, it's useful and interesting from a technical aspect | 22:23 |
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| ybit | Ian_Daniher: eventually i'd like to have scientific work distributed away from the universities to homes; ideally, some collaboration in garages on neuroeng topics | 22:24 |
| ybit | s/garages/home labs | 22:24 |
| ybit | Ian_Daniher: you are forgetting that there are such messages on identi.ca too | 22:25 |
| ybit | "busy busy busy :/" | 22:25 |
| ybit | "Always hardcore." | 22:25 |
| ybit | "winter formal...?" | 22:25 |
| ybit | just so you know :) | 22:26 |
| Ian_Daniher | ybit: twitter/identi.ca feeds into my facebook account. that's my rationalization for tweeting about worthless things :P | 22:26 |
| Ian_Daniher | ybit: and I haven't used identi.ca for a long long time | 22:28 |
| * ybit has never used it | 22:28 | |
| ybit | just squatting on the username heath | 22:28 |
| Ian_Daniher | haha | 22:28 |
| ybit | just in case i ever decide to use it | 22:28 |
| fenn | yay namespaces | 22:29 |
| fenn | hashtags.. that was another awful idea | 22:29 |
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| genehacker2 | kanzure lego robotic arm? | 22:37 |
| kanzure | no | 22:39 |
| ybit | argh, have to go the hospital. later everyone | 22:39 |
| kanzure | be sure to not die | 22:40 |
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| genehacker2 | hope he doesn't need a standby team | 23:19 |
| genehacker2 | kanzure have you signed up with alcor? | 23:19 |
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