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| ybit | http://robotics.eecs.berkeley.edu/~ronf/MFI/mfi-papers.html | 03:07 |
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| kanzure | does anyone know of any neurosci papers re: "the ability to follow conversations/discussions"? | 08:18 |
| kanzure | I guess the 2001 study "Making sense during conversation: an fMRI study" is somewhat close. | 08:22 |
| kanzure | ah they call it "discourse comprehension" | 08:27 |
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| katsmeow-afk | Results 1 - 10 of about 71,900 for "discourse comprehension". | 08:37 |
| kanzure | "argumentation" discourse comprehension isn't bringing up much | 08:43 |
| kanzure | +chains doesn't help | 08:45 |
| kanzure | heh Automated discourse generation using discourse structure relations http://eprints.kfupm.edu.sa/27157/1/27157.pdf | 08:46 |
| kanzure | "Limited attention and discourse structure" is close.. | 08:51 |
| kanzure | stalk: Marilyn A. Walker | 08:54 |
| kanzure | hm no neuroimaging studies cite Walker | 08:55 |
| katsmeow-afk | what's the fastest hash of 10million unique strings, 50char to 400char long, hashing down to a 32bit integer, preferably with unique hashes? | 08:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | i haven't read "Automated discourse generation using discourse structure relations" yet, but it sure sound like another way of saying "pick random phrases with selected keywords, and call it conversation" | 09:00 |
| kanzure | there might be something related to the lateral prefrontal cortex or dorsolaterla prefrontal cortex that relates working memory to the hierarchical (or bush-like?) structure of a conversation which either can assist or impede the ability to figure out what the hell you were last talking about or why you bothered to go off on a certain tangent | 09:06 |
| kanzure | oh that's fairly specific | 09:07 |
| kanzure | no psych paper ever is going to use "tangent" for any other possible meaning than conversational tangents :p | 09:07 |
| katsmeow-afk | true, and the order the branching occurs in can alter the conversation dramatically | 09:08 |
| * katsmeow-afk shouldn't point out that "Questionnably" isn't a word, so won't | 09:09 | |
| kanzure | did I say that? | 09:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | topic of the channel | 09:10 |
| kanzure | it was quoted from an email | 09:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | o | 09:10 |
| kanzure | so we're making fun of it | 09:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | that's clear now, but not so self-evident | 09:10 |
| drazak | so my post finally made it's way to diybio | 09:12 |
| drazak | that only took 12 hours | 09:12 |
| kanzure | was it your first post? | 09:12 |
| kanzure | also, lots of people use primers for identifying the presence of particular genes or sequences | 09:13 |
| kanzure | which is sometimes species-specific | 09:13 |
| drazak | of course | 09:13 |
| drazak | but you'd have to do several genes, and have it mapped in all of your organisms that you want to test | 09:13 |
| drazak | and you'd have to do it against a housekeeping gene | 09:14 |
| kanzure | so? | 09:14 |
| drazak | well it's rt-pcr | 09:14 |
| drazak | a pcr machine is 600 bucks, an rt-pcr machine is 2000 (ignoring the open hardware versions) | 09:14 |
| drazak | big difference in my mind | 09:14 |
| kanzure | okay | 09:14 |
| kanzure | well, if you care about the money I guess sure | 09:14 |
| drazak | well you have to buy one, don't you? | 09:15 |
| drazak | or make one | 09:15 |
| kanzure | make one :) | 09:15 |
| drazak | right, cause it's easy to make a rt-pcr machine | 09:15 |
| kanzure | er if you find a cheap one though, go for it | 09:15 |
| kanzure | it should be easy to make anything | 09:15 |
| kanzure | the only thing that is lacking are the right instructions | 09:15 |
| kanzure | yay golgi apparatus on a cihp | 09:16 |
| kanzure | *chip | 09:16 |
| kanzure | from RPI, Linhardt, bloody hell. no paper reference. wtf is this, the internet? | 09:17 |
| drazak | indeed it is apparently | 09:37 |
| kanzure | huh I had no code that tested pymates' mating stuff? | 09:49 |
| kanzure | was just trying to see how I was doing it before | 09:49 |
| kanzure | ah I had pymates.compatibility() | 09:49 |
| kanzure | that kind of sucks | 09:49 |
| kanzure | "At least 21,000 new millionaires and billionaires were made in the United | 09:59 |
| kanzure | States during the World War." what? | 09:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | selling war materiel | 10:00 |
| kanzure | possibilities = skdb.options(screws, bearings); for option in possibilities: if skdb.processes.fastening.score(option) >= some_threshold: #do something | 10:05 |
| kanzure | fenn: you might want to write some comments eventually about the differences between the functionality attribute on line 25 in processes.yaml versus the same attribute in packages/screw/metadata.yaml | 10:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | hmm, where might i read up on skdb.processes.fastening.score(option) ? | 10:09 |
| kanzure | it doesn't exist yet but skdb.processes.abrasive_jet.score(option) sort of does | 10:11 |
| kanzure | which you can see here: http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/processes.yaml | 10:11 |
| * katsmeow-afk takes a hammer to FF | 10:13 | |
| kanzure | ? | 10:14 |
| kanzure | ff? | 10:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | firefox | 10:14 |
| kanzure | have you tried using uzbl? | 10:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | still waiting on a blank new tab | 10:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | no | 10:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | still waiting on a blank new tab | 10:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | to be fair, i am 3.5gb into swap space, 14 data miners running, and doing a dir /S on a drive with at least 6 million files on it, so it's busy | 10:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | got a tab! | 10:16 |
| kanzure | score is more like feasibility or something | 10:17 |
| katsmeow-afk | woah, this is detailed | 10:18 |
| fenn | what range is score and what does it mean? | 10:18 |
| kanzure | so I was thinking "next step" and I was wondering how exactly to consider the mating options between parts and interfaces etc. | 10:19 |
| kanzure | so one way to rate or score these options is by glancing at the fastening process | 10:19 |
| kanzure | or whatever package happens to implement the fastening process/technique | 10:19 |
| fenn | is this like machinability? (for the machining technique) | 10:19 |
| kanzure | machinability is relative to the machine that you're using right? | 10:20 |
| kanzure | on some mills it's impossible to machine certain shapes, yes? | 10:20 |
| kanzure | so machinability varies with the machining-hardware-setup? | 10:20 |
| kanzure | I was thinking of something like this instead: fastening_machine = skdb.load("fastening_machine").Machine(); fastening_machine.score(option) | 10:21 |
| katsmeow-afk | the machine may not have the power or tool envelope, or workpiece positioning required | 10:21 |
| katsmeow-afk | who is filling in this data, and coming up with the fields? | 10:22 |
| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: fenn and I were thinking that different oem parts could be "mated" or "connected" in a way-- via a certain "technique"- and this technique would be defined/listed in that file that you're hovering over. | 10:23 |
| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: fenn typed it up, from a book (see the top). | 10:23 |
| fenn | mating is just assembly | 10:23 |
| fenn | i did a lot more than just type it up btw | 10:23 |
| kanzure | right but we were saying that you use a technique to make an assembly | 10:23 |
| kanzure | yes that's true | 10:23 |
| * katsmeow-afk looks impressed | 10:24 | |
| fenn | yay data | 10:24 |
| fenn | that's only 9 out of 150 to go | 10:25 |
| kanzure | I thought the other 141 were poorly defined | 10:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | you realise if this level of discrimination were extended, you could compete against cyc in data? | 10:25 |
| fenn | i dont want to compete against cyc | 10:25 |
| kanzure | cyc is mostly wordnet on steroids | 10:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | i didn't quantify your desires :-P | 10:26 |
| fenn | i didnt say you did :P | 10:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | but this degree is what's required for understanding, imo | 10:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | so i got interested | 10:26 |
| kanzure | let's not get philosophical | 10:26 |
| fenn | katsmeow-afk: at this jobby-job i was supposed to be linking that process data with a sort of generic simulation of the geometry produced by a process; for example an endmill would produce a negative swept cylinder | 10:27 |
| fenn | but it turns out opencascade is really lame when it comes to swept solids | 10:27 |
| fenn | so now i'm at loose ends | 10:28 |
| kanzure | what about computing the sweeps on your own? | 10:28 |
| fenn | OCC sucking: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/prism_not_sweep3.png | 10:28 |
| katsmeow-afk | well, i need to go afk | 10:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | bbl | 10:29 |
| kanzure | hm, a fastening technique and a milling technique have different considerations when they score the feasibility of some proposed input to their technique. i.e., the "input" must be different: with fastening things together, you don't need all the crazy shape data that endmilling might need | 10:31 |
| fenn | you don't? | 10:32 |
| kanzure | oh maybe you do | 10:32 |
| kanzure | er is there a better example that's actually correct that I could use? | 10:32 |
| fenn | i think the only processes that dont consider detailed geometry are things like annealing | 10:32 |
| fenn | but even there you have to consider the maximum section thickness | 10:33 |
| fenn | to know how fast the piece cools | 10:33 |
| kanzure | ok the majority of techniques will probably want to score feasibility based off of geometry of their input that they test/score/rate, yes | 10:33 |
| kanzure | but I'm trying to think of something deep in the taxonomy | 10:33 |
| kanzure | where they have specific information that other regions of the taxonomy wouldn't necessarily require | 10:34 |
| fenn | ok so look at the taxonomy | 10:34 |
| kanzure | so for electron beam welding thermal joining mass-conserving shaping techniques, for it to rate feasibility of some proposed scenario, it needs information that an endmill might not bother to check or require, yes? | 10:35 |
| fenn | there's two main types of geometry analysis going on: collision detection/path planning, and 'fourier analysis' for computing abstract properties like heat dissipation | 10:36 |
| fenn | electroplating too | 10:36 |
| kanzure | all of this text is spewing out from me because I'm wondering whether or not to make Process have a score() method that all processes automatically inherit and (should) redefine for themselves | 10:37 |
| fenn | some processes like welding have to do both kinds of analysis | 10:37 |
| fenn | yeah except could we call it feasibility? | 10:38 |
| kanzure | yes | 10:39 |
| fenn | it lines up with all the *-ility terminology already existing | 10:39 |
| kanzure | the input to the feasibility method should be an "option" object, so I was thinking every technique should define its own option class of sorts. skdb.techniques.shaping.mass_conserving.joining.thermal.welding.electron_beam.Option which has its own method for constructing a valid option object for the feasibility object | 10:41 |
| kanzure | that Option class would inherit from a generic skdb.Option class that is used otherwise. | 10:41 |
| kanzure | ack | 10:42 |
| kanzure | s/feasibility object/feasibility method's input/ | 10:42 |
| fenn | um, you know "joining" would inherit from mass_conserving which inherits from shaping etc | 10:47 |
| kanzure | ok? | 10:48 |
| fenn | mprg originally had unique process names, but i shortened them because i thought it was silly | 10:48 |
| kanzure | i feel like we're not talking about the same thing | 10:48 |
| fenn | what is an option object? | 10:49 |
| fenn | i dont like the sound of it | 10:49 |
| kanzure | we're rating the feasibility of *something* right? | 10:50 |
| fenn | a technique on a particular arrangement of artifacts | 10:50 |
| kanzure | yes | 10:50 |
| kanzure | or a vector or plane on the artifact or something (in the case of where there's only one artifact that the technique can deal with at a time) | 10:51 |
| drazak | lol bad rt-pcr data | 10:51 |
| drazak | 48 wells of shit | 10:51 |
| kanzure | in the case of the feasibility of snapping two legos together, it would look at the interface mating vectors | 10:52 |
| kanzure | what is the name of the technique that combines two legos, anyway? | 10:52 |
| fenn | what would look at the vectors? | 10:52 |
| kanzure | the feasibility scoring method of the technique | 10:52 |
| fenn | "press fit assembly" unless it's those snap pins | 10:52 |
| kanzure | assembly is an assembly though | 10:53 |
| kanzure | not a technique | 10:53 |
| fenn | an assembly is just the result of a technique (usually press-fit or snap-fit) | 10:53 |
| fenn | i need to add more to the process list | 10:53 |
| fenn | anyway think of a glued together assembly | 10:53 |
| fenn | that uses the chemical bonding technique | 10:54 |
| fenn | the stupid thing is people dont call a welded object a welded assembly | 10:54 |
| kanzure | what do they call it? | 10:54 |
| fenn | like because it's made from metal it's magically a new "thing" | 10:54 |
| fenn | anyway i dont know why you're obsessing about assembly in particular | 10:55 |
| fenn | there are lots of processes that have the same problems with collision detection and path planning | 10:55 |
| kanzure | maybe you don't know what assembly means | 10:55 |
| kanzure | when you make something out of other parts, it's an assembly | 10:56 |
| fenn | only if you're using a CAD program | 10:57 |
| fenn | a bucket of screws; is that an assembly? | 10:58 |
| kanzure | sure, why not | 10:58 |
| fenn | i'd say it isn't because they just happen to be in the same place | 10:59 |
| fenn | there's no purpose the screws are intended to fulfill by being in the bucket | 11:00 |
| kanzure | presence-in-the-bucket is not a purpose? | 11:00 |
| * fenn pulls his boot out of the muck | 11:00 | |
| fenn | you were asking "what is the name of the technique that combines two legos" | 11:01 |
| kanzure | something I've noticed all this time that you've lived here is that you don't actually have any boots, so I have absolutely no idea who keeps losing boots in mucks | 11:01 |
| fenn | presumably you wanted to do something like press_fit.feasibility(brick1, brick2) | 11:01 |
| kanzure | yes | 11:01 |
| fenn | i do have boots, but there's no reason to wear them except when i expect it to drizzle philosophy | 11:02 |
| fenn | in case i need to kick some faces in, see | 11:02 |
| kanzure | except I don't want to say press_fit.feasibility(brick1, brick2) | 11:08 |
| kanzure | I want to say blah = press_fit.option(brick1, brick2) | 11:09 |
| kanzure | and then press_fit.feasibility(blah) | 11:09 |
| kanzure | so that the "construction" of the situation that would be checked for feasibility | 11:09 |
| kanzure | is abstracted out of the picture | 11:09 |
| kanzure | this way, all techniques will have the same parameters to the feasibility method | 11:09 |
| fenn | how about press_fit(brick1, brick2).feasibility() | 11:09 |
| kanzure | this is especially useful so that you can just use the same object over a list of different techniques that don't vary significantly | 11:10 |
| kanzure | er, wait. that doesn't actually work .. erm.. | 11:10 |
| kanzure | sigh | 11:10 |
| kanzure | why would press_fit have an __init__? | 11:10 |
| fenn | what doesnt work? | 11:10 |
| fenn | because you have to press something together right? | 11:11 |
| kanzure | the idea of using the same "option" or "blah" object across multiple feasibility methods for multiple techniques | 11:11 |
| fenn | otherwise it's zero hands clapping again | 11:11 |
| kanzure | this isn't a philosophical question :p | 11:11 |
| kanzure | just trying to figure out how to structure the api | 11:11 |
| fenn | option only works for one technique | 11:12 |
| kanzure | why should it | 11:12 |
| fenn | i might glue two legos together differently than press fit | 11:12 |
| fenn | i mean the glue technique has more options | 11:12 |
| kanzure | okay | 11:12 |
| fenn | techniques dont need interfaces | 11:12 |
| fenn | interfaces are handy shortcuts to a particular geometry feature, however | 11:13 |
| kanzure | I didn't assert techniques needed interfaces | 11:14 |
| fenn | what are 'option' objects supposed to be then? | 11:14 |
| kanzure | a particular scenario that a technique's methods can investigate for feasibility | 11:14 |
| fenn | arrangement of artifacts? | 11:15 |
| kanzure | not all techniques care only about arrangement of objects | 11:15 |
| fenn | what is 'scenario'? | 11:15 |
| fenn | pretend for a moment that i can't read your mind | 11:15 |
| kanzure | a scenario is what you (or a machine) construct in order to apply or execute the technique | 11:17 |
| fenn | ... | 11:17 |
| fenn | nice circular definition | 11:18 |
| kanzure | there are certain things that you provide the technique | 11:20 |
| kanzure | there are certain things that the technique provides (like the technique) | 11:20 |
| fenn | functionality | 11:20 |
| kanzure | "what you provide the technique" is called the scenario, which it can then score or rate for feasibility | 11:21 |
| kanzure | interference fitting calculations: http://www.eminebea.com/content/html/en/engineering/bearings/fitting.shtml | 11:31 |
| fenn | wow i had no idea the formula was that complicated | 11:33 |
| fenn | what do curly braces mean? | 11:33 |
| fenn | oh nm it's just grouping terms | 11:34 |
| kanzure | I can never be sure that it's not: | 11:34 |
| kanzure | (1) someone who doesn't know how to express something that requires a new syntax | 11:34 |
| kanzure | or (2) someone who is really meaning to say something that has been said before (i.e., grouping notation) | 11:35 |
| fenn | yay hieroglyphics | 11:35 |
| * kanzure hieroglyphs himself. | 11:35 | |
| fenn | the artist formerly known as kanzure | 11:36 |
| kanzure | I will now be known as unicode character 1C01 | 11:38 |
| kanzure | hm.. this looks like a simpler formula: http://www.engineersedge.com/manufacturing_spec/press_fit_force.htm | 11:38 |
| kanzure | but it's not the same problem | 11:38 |
| fenn | gah. why does engineersedge.com always give me 403 | 11:38 |
| kanzure | what is "pressure factor" | 11:39 |
| kanzure | apparently ipods only charge if the laptop doesn't have the lid closed | 11:43 |
| * kanzure blames the kernel | 11:43 | |
| kanzure | fenn: can I have the book now please? | 11:48 |
| fenn | sorry for the awful url: http://192.168.1.86/irc/Machinery's Handbook 27th Edition/ | 11:48 |
| * ybit has that book | 11:49 | |
| fenn | it's a good one | 11:49 |
| ybit | Machinery's Handbook Guide - 28th Edition (Malestrom) | 11:49 |
| fenn | in fact it's the only one :( | 11:49 |
| ybit | mine is the 28th edition | 11:49 |
| fenn | like CRC handbook, but for manufacturing | 11:49 |
| kanzure | what's CRC up to these days? 87th? | 11:50 |
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| fenn | The numbers are rounded values of the following five geometric series of numbers: 10^(N/5), 10^(N/10), 10^(N/20), 10^(N/40), and 10^(N/80), where N is an integer in the series 0, 1, 2, 3, etc. | 12:08 |
| fenn | that's worse than the IEEE 4.7k resistor crap | 12:09 |
| fenn | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/664898/hierarchy-traversal-and-comparison-modules-for-python | 12:18 |
| kanzure | blargh? brainvisa/toolboxes/t1mri/processes/segmentationpipeline/components/CorticalFoldsGraphUpgradeFromOld.py | 12:29 |
| fenn | hmmm | 12:31 |
| fenn | skdb.load(open('lego/metadata.yaml')) | 12:31 |
| fenn | <skdb.core.skdb.Package object at 0x8a7976c> | 12:31 |
| fenn | skdb.load(open('screw/metadata.yaml')) | 12:32 |
| fenn | .ConstructorError: could not determine a constructor for the tag 'tag:yaml.org,2002:python:object/skdb.tag_hack' | 12:32 |
| fenn | am i missing something? aren't they exactly the same? | 12:32 |
| fenn | d'oh nevermind | 12:33 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r8eb03bac048e /packages/screw/template.yaml: indent typo | 12:36 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r61fc1a31ede6 /packages/screw/metadata.yaml: another silly typo | 12:36 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r76d2bd9d05ab /packages/screw/metadata.yaml: i already fixed this; time to delete template.yaml? | 12:36 |
| fenn | looks like CIA's down | 12:36 |
| * fenn kills CIA-38 | 12:37 | |
| * CIA-38 dies | 12:37 | |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/neuro/coordinates/mn2ital/ | 12:42 |
| fenn | 404 | 12:50 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/neuro/coordinates/mni2tal/ | 13:25 |
| kanzure | stupid typo :) | 13:25 |
| drazak | boring | 13:26 |
| drazak | you guys are boring | 13:26 |
| drazak | :P | 13:26 |
| * drazak is doing a BCA | 13:26 | |
| kanzure | drazak: contrary to popular belief, biologists aren't cool for making up acronyms | 13:27 |
| drazak | I'm not making anything up! | 13:28 |
| kanzure | someone did | 13:28 |
| drazak | it's the bicinchoninic acid assay! | 13:28 |
| kanzure | they should just say what they mean | 13:28 |
| kanzure | ok then say that | 13:28 |
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| kanzure | hello El_Matarife | 13:29 |
| drazak | fine, I'll call it the Smith Assay | 13:29 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r24bfb9dee193 /packages/screw/metadata.yaml: developer email only please | 13:32 |
| CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r00804c25dd77 /packages/screw/metadata.yaml: bah. users.sf.net doesn't work apparently | 13:32 |
| fenn | BCA assay is another of those funny run-on acronyms | 13:34 |
| drazak | yeah | 13:35 |
| drazak | it's in the incubator right now, plate reader next | 13:36 |
| kanzure | the last biology lab I was working in was too lame to have a plate reader | 13:36 |
| drazak | we have 2 pcr machines, an q-rt-pcr machine, a bunch of centrifuges, microfuges, some crap in the other room I have no idea what does, access to a nanodrop, a bunch of gel electrophoresis boxes, access to a flow cytometer | 13:38 |
| kanzure | be sure to write down an inventory list | 13:38 |
| drazak | yeah, that way I know what I'm taking when I take it | 13:38 |
| kanzure | you're stealing from the lab? :) | 13:39 |
| kanzure | you've learned so well from me | 13:39 |
| drazak | I'm not actually gonna | 13:39 |
| drazak | but if I was going to | 13:39 |
| fenn | you can't teach someone to think for themself | 13:39 |
| kanzure | context | 13:40 |
| drazak | fenn: so, should I respond to you on diybio outlining how I would do the cheese test? | 13:40 |
| fenn | hah http://www.utilitarian-essays.com/suffering-per-kg.html | 13:48 |
| fenn | wow chickens only live 42 days on average | 14:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | then they are killed as "fryers" | 14:13 |
| ybit | 71.207.247.209:64738 | 14:19 |
| ybit | someone want to test my mumble server? | 14:19 |
| ybit | i think i have my network issues finally resolved which means i should be able to ssh into this computer when scanning the books | 14:20 |
| ybit | it was such a *duh* moment | 14:20 |
| ybit | any takers? | 14:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | with winscp ? | 14:25 |
| ybit | not sure if that will connect to mumble.. think you have to use mumble | 14:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | then i think someone else will haveto test it, i dunno what mumble is | 14:26 |
| ybit | http://mumble.sourceforge.net | 14:26 |
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| ybit | apt-get mumble or emerge mumble or whatever it is that you use | 14:27 |
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| katsmeow-afk | ouch , 9,574,746 files on M:\ | 14:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | just got busy sorting them, sorry | 14:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | dunno why, but the dir listing dump to a txt file is 667megabytes , i gotta shrink it some | 14:31 |
| ybit | guess i'm off to grab a beer then scan and tunnel from another house | 14:32 |
| fenn | only ten million? you're holding out on us | 14:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | well, there's E: too | 14:33 |
| kanzure | bah who are you people, with all your talking and your words | 14:33 |
| fenn | read you this jibbery babble what make talky words | 14:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | and the slithery jibe do .... things or somthing | 14:34 |
| fenn | Did gyre and gimble in the wabe | 14:36 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas, those things | 14:36 |
| splicer | be ware the jabberwok my friend | 14:36 |
| fenn | "He knew full well, many years ago, what today's octopus wrestlers are just beginning to learn--that it is impossible for a man with two arms to apply a full nelson on an octopus; he knew full well the futility of trying for a crotch hold on an opponent with eight crotches." | 14:41 |
| kanzure | sounds like a job for buddha | 14:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | yea, and consider what's between the crotches on an aoctopus | 14:42 |
| fenn | do they make eight headed mongeese? | 14:43 |
| fenn | mongooses? | 14:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | that animal that's smaller than a badger, but more ferocious,, not a taz devil | 14:45 |
| fenn | hm i guess they're not really that good at catching snakes, just resistant to snake venom | 14:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | slackers | 14:46 |
| drazak | fenn: nice procedure :P | 14:51 |
| drazak | fenn: I think what I'm going to do tonight is put the proceedure into steps and list required tools and what not | 14:51 |
| drazak | could do it in YAML | 14:51 |
| fenn | knock yourself out | 14:52 |
| drazak | except I have nfc how | 14:52 |
| drazak | I mean, isn't the goal of YAML to be able to put shit like that into it? | 14:52 |
| fenn | yaml is just a data serialization format | 14:52 |
| drazak | what the hell does that mean? | 14:52 |
| fenn | the problem is we dont have any data structures for lab procedures | 14:52 |
| drazak | american english please | 14:52 |
| drazak | ah | 14:53 |
| fenn | there's no formal way to describe a lab procedure such that a computer can do something with it | 14:53 |
| fenn | well, there is, but only like 1 person on earth knows it | 14:53 |
| fenn | (and it's not anyone in this channel) | 14:53 |
| drazak | I have a pig primer for 16s | 14:54 |
| drazak | lulz | 14:54 |
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| drazak | I need tow rite a script that will do my blasting for me | 14:57 |
| drazak | and then do my primerings for me from the blasts | 14:57 |
| wrldpc2 | i need to find out where there is a lot of gold near me | 14:57 |
| wrldpc2 | what was that mineral locator site? | 14:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | none near Boston | 14:58 |
| drazak | wrldpc2: which ben are you? | 15:00 |
| fenn | mindat | 15:00 |
| wrldpc2 | thanks fenn | 15:01 |
| drazak | we have 3 ben's in here | 15:01 |
| fenn | i suggest looking in bank vaults | 15:01 |
| drazak | fucking crazy :D | 15:01 |
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| kanzure | Teen killed at chinese internet addiction camp | 15:10 |
| kanzure | http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1326445&cid=28958385 | 15:10 |
| kanzure | "Reportedly it was for not being able to run fast enough." | 15:10 |
| kanzure | Isn't that the reason why anyone gets beaten to death? | 15:10 |
| kanzure | drazak: bioperl already does blasting for you, fool | 15:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | and a great reason to hide in internet cafes | 15:11 |
| drazak | kanzure: I need to write it so it can do it the way I want | 15:12 |
| drazak | lol | 15:12 |
| fenn | wow these utilitarians are idiots sometimes | 15:30 |
| fenn | "with the money saved by eating beans for protein instead of chickens with lives barely worth living, you can raise a huge quantity of mice, because they are smaller.' | 15:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | lol | 15:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | i can't figure why you'd grow the mice at all if you are eating the beans for protein ,,,, please don't say "milk" | 15:33 |
| drazak | fenn: does the diybio mailing list respond faster than the site? IE. have you gotten my reply to the thread yet? | 15:33 |
| drazak | oh, see, there it goes | 15:34 |
| drazak | much faster today | 15:35 |
| fenn | i haven't received a reply to my reply to you | 15:35 |
| fenn | it arrived | 15:36 |
| drazak | cool | 15:38 |
| drazak | I gotta ask the bioinformatics guy something when he's done talking to some other dude | 15:40 |
| drazak | see reply, fenn | 15:44 |
| kanzure | drazak: to make the reply get to him faster, you can cc him | 15:50 |
| drazak | I could | 15:50 |
| drazak | but that sucks for email management | 15:50 |
| drazak | hm | 15:52 |
| drazak | I should be able to generate a biopython based blaster/primerer pretty easy | 15:52 |
| drazak | fenn: algurkey! | 16:16 |
| * fenn wonders whether to point genehacker at the transparent aluminum article | 16:18 | |
| fenn | reminds me of 'Angel Light' | 16:19 |
| kanzure | he'll read everything wrong and start bouncing invisible electrons off of massless aluminum or something because it's transparent right? | 16:22 |
| fenn | weird http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electride | 16:24 |
| drazak | what is the python program for making primers? | 16:25 |
| fenn | supposedly sodium electride is transparent | 16:25 |
| kanzure | fenn: YAMLObjectMetaclass on line 251 in __init__.py of yaml shows how to unload previous tags (er, sort of, you'll have to make an inference, but it's an easy inference) | 16:25 |
| fenn | can you access cls.yaml_loader? | 16:26 |
| kanzure | it might involve something with yaml.Dumper | 16:26 |
| kanzure | drazak: http://docs.google.com/www.biopython.org/DIST/docs/presentations/biopython.pdf | 16:27 |
| kanzure | see pg 24 | 16:28 |
| kanzure | wow they made this unnecessarily long | 16:29 |
| fenn | print skdb.Unit.yaml_loader.yaml_constructors | 16:30 |
| kanzure | yep that's it | 16:30 |
| drazak | kanzure: how do codon tables help me? | 16:31 |
| kanzure | page 24 should be something about automatic design of primers | 16:31 |
| kanzure | codon biases can help you figure out how to make particularly unique primers, fi that's what you're asking | 16:31 |
| kanzure | *if | 16:31 |
| drazak | we are looking at different pages | 16:32 |
| drazak | :D | 16:32 |
| drazak | your link doesn't work for me | 16:32 |
| kanzure | http://www.biopython.org/DIST/docs/presentations/biopython.pdf | 16:32 |
| drazak | ok | 16:33 |
| drazak | thanks | 16:33 |
| fenn | grapeseed flour is $22/kg | 16:34 |
| fenn | not quite powdered wine but it sounds interesting | 16:34 |
| drazak | ok | 16:34 |
| drazak | so if I can get everything into fasta format | 16:34 |
| drazak | I can just use this shit in this documentation to make my primers | 16:34 |
| drazak | yay | 16:34 |
| kanzure | it's nice when things work | 16:35 |
| drazak | so basically what I need it to do is search for a protein and for a species and have ti respond back with all of the acension numbers, and then from that download the fasta page for the gene | 16:36 |
| drazak | once I have the fasta page I can have it do the primer3 shit | 16:37 |
| kanzure | there might be a module in biopython that already queries ncbi for ascension numbers for proteins | 16:37 |
| drazak | well, I'm looking for the gene that codes the protein | 16:37 |
| kanzure | you can go from the amino acid sequence back to DNA | 16:38 |
| drazak | and in bio.entrez.nucleotide there is | 16:38 |
| kanzure | god I'm starting to sound like a bioinformatics guy | 16:38 |
| drazak | I can also search "vegfa AND sus scrofa" | 16:38 |
| drazak | dude the bioinformatics guy at the lab has nfc what biopython is | 16:38 |
| drazak | apparently they wrote their own batch blaster | 16:38 |
| kanzure | lots of biologists do that | 16:38 |
| kanzure | I mean, they reinvent the wheel | 16:39 |
| kanzure | constantly | 16:39 |
| drazak | yeah | 16:39 |
| drazak | he's a CS major | 16:39 |
| drazak | or something | 16:39 |
| drazak | I dunno what he is | 16:39 |
| kanzure | that's disappointing | 16:39 |
| drazak | but he's giving up coffee | 16:39 |
| drazak | fucking nut | 16:39 |
| drazak | NO COFFEE? | 16:39 |
| drazak | as a computer AND biology guy? | 16:39 |
| drazak | that's like being a mouse and not liking cheese | 16:39 |
| kanzure | speaking of people who like cheese.. | 16:39 |
| drazak | so apparently | 16:41 |
| drazak | I don't remember how to do jack shit in python | 16:42 |
| drazak | :( | 16:42 |
| kanzure | what are you trying to do | 16:42 |
| drazak | write a script that batch proceses all this shit, I have a list of genes that I need primers for | 16:42 |
| kanzure | I meant what did you mean by "so apparently" | 16:42 |
| drazak | I don't remember how to read and write from files | 16:43 |
| kanzure | open() | 16:43 |
| drazak | I just don't remember jack shit apbout it | 16:43 |
| kanzure | help(open) | 16:43 |
| drazak | lol | 16:43 |
| genehacker2 | coffee? | 16:44 |
| genehacker2 | I don't drink it | 16:44 |
| genehacker2 | I take caffeine intravenously | 16:44 |
| genehacker2 | topic | 16:45 |
| genehacker2 | oh | 16:45 |
| genehacker2 | technoanarchy? | 16:45 |
| genehacker2 | is that what we're calling it? | 16:45 |
| genehacker2 | I call it free-technology | 16:46 |
| drazak | yeah, he gave up caffeine | 16:46 |
| drazak | and thus coffee | 16:46 |
| drazak | he drinks mint tea | 16:46 |
| genehacker2 | oh | 16:46 |
| drazak | we were in the coffee/printer/whatever room | 16:46 |
| drazak | and he was like | 16:46 |
| drazak | "yeah, I gave up coffee, and caffeine..." | 16:46 |
| genehacker2 | I have used tea for my caffeine supply | 16:46 |
| genehacker2 | well this isn't that relavant | 16:46 |
| genehacker2 | what'd I miss | 16:47 |
| drazak | he drinks mint medley caffeine free tea | 16:47 |
| genehacker2 | maybe he's moved on to transition drugs | 16:48 |
| kanzure | genehacker2: the /topic is a quote from an email to openmanufacturing. we're making fun of the quote. | 16:48 |
| genehacker2 | oh | 16:49 |
| genehacker2 | technoanarchy is sort of where I'm trying to go with the gene synthesizer | 16:49 |
| genehacker2 | hence my emphasis on being able to make all reagents from scratch | 16:49 |
| genehacker2 | IE, it won't be something that can be regulated | 16:50 |
| drazak | hmm | 16:51 |
| drazak | why won't Entrez.read(handle) not working | 16:51 |
| kanzure | drazak: it's entirely possible that it's a scraper and entrez has changed. can you search your python/site-packages/biopython/ dir and figure whether or not there are some unit tests to see if it works at all? | 16:52 |
| kanzure | why does my wisdom tooth socket hurt? | 16:52 |
| kanzure | or, not hurt, but why is it sensitive today but not yesterday? | 16:52 |
| kanzure | maybe it's something to do with all this yawning | 16:52 |
| QuantumG | you're getting old | 16:53 |
| kanzure | gah I suck | 16:53 |
| drazak | kanzure: nah, the rest of it seems to work | 16:56 |
| drazak | I think I did something wrong somewhere | 16:56 |
| kanzure | what is handle? | 16:56 |
| drazak | a variable | 16:56 |
| drazak | I think | 16:56 |
| kanzure | .. | 16:56 |
| drazak | I assume it is | 16:56 |
| drazak | it acts like a variable | 16:56 |
| kanzure | what did you set it to? | 16:56 |
| drazak | it's used like a variable | 16:56 |
| drazak | handle = Entrez.esearch(db="nucleotide", term="vegfa AND sus") | 16:57 |
| kanzure | do help(handle) | 16:57 |
| kanzure | or do type(handle) and see what type it is | 16:58 |
| kanzure | if it's NoneType you're screwed :) | 16:58 |
| kanzure | or None | 16:58 |
| drazak | instance | 16:58 |
| fenn | so helpful | 16:58 |
| kanzure | hah | 16:58 |
| kanzure | okay, do blah = handle | 16:58 |
| kanzure | then do type(blah) | 16:58 |
| drazak | hold on | 16:58 |
| kanzure | drazak: it may help to use ipython or bpython as your interpreter | 16:58 |
| fenn | yeah right | 16:58 |
| kanzure | no? | 16:58 |
| kanzure | sarcasm? | 16:59 |
| fenn | that would involve scary things like installing software | 16:59 |
| kanzure | to get it: hg clone https://bitbucket.org/bobf/bpython/ | 16:59 |
| fenn | or *gasp* compiling it | 16:59 |
| drazak | >>> results = Entrez.read(handle) | 16:59 |
| drazak | Traceback (most recent call last): | 16:59 |
| drazak | File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> | 16:59 |
| drazak | File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.6/Bio/Entrez/__init__.py", line 286, in read | 16:59 |
| kanzure | or easy_install bpython | 16:59 |
| drazak | record = handler.run(handle) | 16:59 |
| drazak | File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.6/Bio/Entrez/Parser.py", line 95, in run | 16:59 |
| ybit | fucking a, go me. i have it setup correctly | 16:59 |
| drazak | self.parser.ParseFile(handle) | 16:59 |
| drazak | xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: no element found: line 1, column 0 | 16:59 |
| drazak | k | 16:59 |
| kanzure | huh | 16:59 |
| kanzure | looks like it's wanting a file handler | 16:59 |
| ybit | yup, i'm tunneled. from a damn mac at my friend's house | 16:59 |
| kanzure | so you should say handle = open("some/file/goes/here") | 16:59 |
| drazak | no | 17:00 |
| drazak | I'm doing exactly what it says to do in the biopython tutorial | 17:01 |
| drazak | this is how it outlines doing a search | 17:01 |
| drazak | but it doesn't work | 17:01 |
| kanzure | it may be that they defined "handle" earlier in the presentation | 17:01 |
| drazak | not the one you gave me | 17:01 |
| kanzure | pg 24? | 17:01 |
| drazak | no | 17:01 |
| drazak | the actual tutorial from the biopython home page | 17:01 |
| drazak | and I don't think they did because they give each codesnippet from the start, importing entrez from bio | 17:02 |
| drazak | page 87 and 88 | 17:03 |
| drazak | OH | 17:06 |
| drazak | I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED | 17:06 |
| drazak | it couldn't find it | 17:06 |
| drazak | so it gave me shit | 17:06 |
| drazak | if it can't find it it will return shit | 17:07 |
| drazak | I ran it with a different search and it seems to run fine | 17:07 |
| drazak | kanzure: can you give me an example open() usage? | 17:18 |
| drazak | it doesn't like my syntax | 17:18 |
| kanzure | my_file = open("/some/file/here","r") | 17:20 |
| kanzure | my_file.write("jerks") | 17:20 |
| kanzure | my_file.close() | 17:20 |
| drazak | oh | 17:20 |
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| drazak | I'm missing quotes | 17:20 |
| drazak | got it | 17:20 |
| * kanzure clobbers drazak with rtfm stickers | 17:21 | |
| katsmeow-afk | tv news just said we have a new element called Molly-b-denum | 17:21 |
| drazak | dude | 17:21 |
| drazak | I haven't done python since I was 13 | 17:21 |
| drazak | katsmeow-afk: they mean old element Mol-ib-den-um | 17:21 |
| drazak | katsmeow-afk: >>> blah = open("/home/drazak/blah","r") | 17:23 |
| drazak | >>> blah.write("stuff") | 17:23 |
| drazak | Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> | 17:23 |
| drazak | IOError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor | 17:23 |
| drazak | er | 17:23 |
| drazak | kanzure: ^^ | 17:23 |
| kanzure | maybe the arguments go the other way around | 17:23 |
| kanzure | do help(open) | 17:23 |
| drazak | the open is fine | 17:23 |
| drazak | it's the write | 17:23 |
| kanzure | oh, why are you doing "r" then? | 17:23 |
| kanzure | you should do "w" | 17:24 |
| kanzure | or "rw" if you want read+write | 17:24 |
| drazak | I did rw | 17:24 |
| drazak | well | 17:24 |
| drazak | I tried r and rw | 17:24 |
| kanzure | it says you did r | 17:24 |
| drazak | I've done it r, rw, and rwx | 17:24 |
| kanzure | how about ">w" ? | 17:25 |
| drazak | all give the same error | 17:25 |
| kanzure | "File <stdin>" just doesn't sound right for this sort of error | 17:25 |
| drazak | a | 17:25 |
| drazak | I need a | 17:25 |
| drazak | except that did nothing | 17:25 |
| kanzure | a+? | 17:25 |
| drazak | just a | 17:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | drazak, i know | 17:28 |
| katsmeow-afk | i was relating how STUPID the southern usa is | 17:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | they don't know the word, and either can't figure out a dictionary, or can't think thru to use one to pronounce the unknown word properly | 17:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | claim that positive self-deception is a normal and beneficial part of most people’s everyday outlook. They suggested that average people hold cognitive biases in three key areas: a) viewing themselves in unrealistically positive terms; b) believing they have more control over their environment than they actually do; and | 17:39 |
| katsmeow-afk | c) holding views about the future that are more positive than the evidence can justify. The typical person, it seems, depends on these happy delusions for the self-esteem needed to function through a normal day. It’s when the fantasies start to unravel that problems arise. | 17:39 |
| drazak | flight of the bumbleebee people | 17:39 |
| drazak | flight of the bumblebee | 17:39 |
| katsmeow-afk | thing is, given that, it's a total wonder to me why adults don't understand why psychiatric drugs can *cause* suicide in teens | 17:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | they are trying hard to be properly deluded adults so they can function, and the drugs stop that , so they are *less* functioning | 17:44 |
| fenn | the correct way to say it is 'molly is the num' not molly b de num | 17:44 |
| katsmeow-afk | molly be damned | 17:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | well, the unsinkable molly be floats | 17:45 |
| fenn | damn. i managed to keep a song fragment in my head for 41 minutes while searching for it | 17:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | i went into a doc office once and said i needed a drug to make me psychotic, to believe the world was a wonderful place, so i could be cheery, and the doc said since i knew the problem i wasn't qualified to get the drugs | 17:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | so i asked for a drug to make me forget the problems, and asked for buspar, and got it | 17:47 |
| katsmeow-afk | took it at 1/3 recommended dose, i didn't wanna be a southern moron | 17:47 |
| kanzure | I'm not convinced that general reasoning about what everyone else is thinking, is useful or not. | 17:48 |
| fenn | yeah you might just forget everything | 17:48 |
| katsmeow-afk | fenn, it causes whatever you are thinking about the most to get disconnected | 17:49 |
| fenn | right | 17:49 |
| fenn | scary shit | 17:49 |
| katsmeow-afk | interesting drug, needs an anti-drug | 17:49 |
| fenn | um, adderall? | 17:49 |
| katsmeow-afk | noonehere wold prescribe that for me, i can't afford now to goto a doc for it, and i can't afford the drug | 17:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | had to cancel health insurance to pay lawyers over the neighbor's dogs | 17:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | damned news: "bizzare mind of the shooter" ,, i was like "well duh, who didn't see that coming? is this the first time this has happened or what??" | 17:52 |
| katsmeow-afk | afk | 17:52 |
| kanzure | fenn: the problem is that if you load metadata.yaml first, | 18:17 |
| kanzure | and then data.yaml, you get all this bullshit for data.yaml | 18:17 |
| kanzure | instead of screws or something | 18:17 |
| fenn | can you load the classes before metadata.yaml? | 18:17 |
| kanzure | what? | 18:17 |
| kanzure | why would I do that? | 18:18 |
| fenn | import screw; yaml.load(open('metadata.yaml')) | 18:18 |
| kanzure | why would I do that too | 18:18 |
| fenn | because then the classes (and their tags) would be defined before you call tag_hack | 18:18 |
| kanzure | that's not what I'm doing. | 18:19 |
| fenn | so what | 18:19 |
| kanzure | well it's stupid | 18:19 |
| fenn | whatever you're doing is not working | 18:19 |
| kanzure | you already know that the class name is "screw" from the metadata | 18:19 |
| fenn | no, you havent loaded the metadata yet | 18:19 |
| kanzure | in your way | 18:19 |
| fenn | tag_hack has to be called before loading metadata | 18:20 |
| kanzure | that's right | 18:20 |
| kanzure | and then we're done with tag_hack | 18:20 |
| kanzure | so we have to turn it "off" | 18:20 |
| fenn | so how do you know what the class is called? | 18:20 |
| kanzure | it's specified in the metadata | 18:20 |
| fenn | gah | 18:20 |
| kanzure | under the "classes" attribute | 18:20 |
| kanzure | so after the metadata is loaded, that's it | 18:20 |
| kanzure | "tag_hack" should be turned off, the dummies should be unloaded | 18:20 |
| fenn | ok, so then remove it from yaml_constructors | 18:20 |
| kanzure | right | 18:20 |
| kanzure | people should not name their songs "Africa" | 18:21 |
| fenn | hey at least you know what it's called | 18:22 |
| kanzure | how does that help | 18:24 |
| kanzure | if anything this makes it worse, because now I'll be searching through millions of pages about "Africa" | 18:25 |
| fenn | well i've been searching for a song stuck in my head for the last hour and half | 18:25 |
| fenn | by fast-forwarding through 10 albums | 18:25 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa_(Toto_song) guess this might be it | 18:27 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57z0-599ZQQ | 18:28 |
| kanzure | gah | 18:28 |
| kanzure | yeah that's what I was thinking of | 18:28 |
| fenn | are you sure it wasnt http://192.168.1.86/irc/africa.mp3 | 18:29 |
| kanzure | do not name your songs after continents | 18:30 |
| kanzure | gah | 18:30 |
| kanzure | this is not a hard rule to understand | 18:30 |
| fenn | but it's about africa! | 18:30 |
| kanzure | also, I am forming a coalition against the misuse of gah | 18:30 |
| fenn | wow i feel sorry for you | 18:32 |
| fenn | that is terrible | 18:32 |
| kanzure | it's horrible. | 18:32 |
| drazak | kanzure: can arrays contain strings? | 19:17 |
| fenn | aha. yaml.loader.Loader.yaml_multi_constructors['!screw'] | 19:37 |
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| fenn | bpython has packages in debian unstable at least.. is this new? | 20:04 |
| fenn | and testing | 20:05 |
| kanzure | drazak: yes | 20:08 |
| fenn | kanzure would you mind doing 'sudo route add 192.168.1.86 eth1:1' on leibniz | 20:10 |
| kanzure | ok | 20:11 |
| kanzure | that do the trick? | 20:12 |
| fenn | yes, thanks | 20:12 |
| fenn | for future reference it's still slow but good enough for what i'm doing right now | 20:15 |
| drazak | kanzure: yeah, I know what I was doing wrong wnow | 20:16 |
| drazak | kanzure: so I know how to load all of the shit I want to search in nucleotide into an array | 20:17 |
| fenn | it's actually a list | 20:18 |
| drazak | it probably is | 20:20 |
| drazak | :D | 20:20 |
| drazak | I know shitall about python | 20:20 |
| fenn | hm. kanzure did you actually type eth1:1 or just eth1? | 20:23 |
| kanzure | eth1:1 | 20:33 |
| kanzure | also, wtf: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Low-hanging%20fruit%20for%20human-level%20artificial%20intelligence%20augmentation%20-%20Biohack.html | 20:33 |
| kanzure | did I just happen to totally forget about that? | 20:33 |
| fenn | i believe you've linked to it several times in the last month | 20:34 |
| fenn | oh wait i must be thinking of something else | 20:35 |
| kanzure | doesn't seem to have as much content as I hoped it would | 20:39 |
| kanzure | bkero: Stalk down "John Bruno" sometime and ask him about KYNA. | 20:43 |
| drazak | programming is harder than it looks | 20:44 |
| kanzure | the trick is to make it look easy | 20:44 |
| fenn | come on, python is probably the easiest language in the universe | 20:44 |
| kanzure | me agrees | 20:45 |
| drazak | I have zippo programming experience | 20:45 |
| drazak | :D | 20:45 |
| drazak | zero | 20:45 |
| drazak | zilch | 20:45 |
| fenn | then it's amazing you can do anything at all :) | 20:45 |
| kanzure | and you run linux? | 20:45 |
| drazak | yes | 20:45 |
| kanzure | huh | 20:45 |
| drazak | I mean | 20:46 |
| drazak | I can write a little bash script | 20:46 |
| drazak | but that's scripting | 20:46 |
| fenn | i guess you dont know what bash is capable of | 20:46 |
| kanzure | btw this is the work that I was thinking of duplicating for pyscholar: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Semantic%20Search%20Facilitator.html | 20:47 |
| kanzure | huh I have fabuntu on leibniz | 20:57 |
| bkero | kanzure: Who's Jon Bruno and KYNA? | 21:07 |
| kanzure | someone at ohio state | 21:07 |
| kanzure | KYNA is an interesting regulator of cortical acetylcholine | 21:07 |
| kanzure | whatever he's making, take some of it | 21:07 |
| fenn | i'd like to see an x-ray of a NXT servo in this lineup: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=226615 | 21:11 |
| fenn | or one of those really tiny lego motors | 21:13 |
| bkero | Haha | 21:24 |
| kanzure | I have a new hobby: reading old science fiction that I wrote and hid somewhere (and then proceeded to entirely forget about) on my terabytes of hard drive storage | 21:32 |
| fenn | my new hobby is sneaking bad scifi onto kanzure's hard drive | 21:41 |
| kanzure | uh oh | 21:41 |
| ybit | i eat llamas | 21:41 |
| ybit | ..since we're talking about hobbies | 21:42 |
| ybit | my secret job is to make everyone realize that irc is wasteful and that they should be working instead of playing | 21:43 |
| QuantumG | fuck you | 21:43 |
| ybit | :) | 21:43 |
| ybit | hmm, that smiley face kind of looks gay after that comment | 21:43 |
| ybit | not that there's anything wrong with being gay, kanzure, please don't take offense | 21:44 |
| QuantumG | .|. | 21:44 |
| ybit | \o/ | 21:45 |
| * katsmeow-afk is fascinated that males prefer to do things with each other, but it's not being "gay" | 21:45 | |
| kanzure | lesbians are hot, deal with it | 21:45 |
| * ybit lost his virginity to a lesbian | 21:45 | |
| ybit | damn ca priv. keys not creating, grr | 21:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | err, women who are bi aren't lesbian | 21:46 |
| ybit | it was experimental... | 21:47 |
| katsmeow-afk | praps they told you that to turn you on | 21:47 |
| ybit | she's straight-up gay now | 21:47 |
| fenn | maybe she thought he was a girl | 21:47 |
| ybit | guess i confirmed to her that guys aren't what they are all cracked up to be? | 21:47 |
| fenn | or perhaps was totally turned off by the experience | 21:47 |
| ybit | no no, we had discussed this beforehand while sober | 21:47 |
| ybit | right, i made sure she stayed gay | 21:48 |
| fenn | your contribution is duly noted | 21:48 |
| ybit | ty ty | 21:48 |
| katsmeow-afk | now, what's her phone number? | 21:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | :-P | 21:50 |
| ybit | i'll give it to you the next time we are both together and high, which should be a few days from now | 21:51 |
| kanzure | how do I do newlines in my regular expressions in vim, anyway? | 21:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | i didn't have that scheduled | 21:51 |
| kanzure | ah, \r | 21:51 |
| ybit | afk for a bit | 21:51 |
| kanzure | "At the intersection of the now-cancerous galaxy and the next merging galaxy (where many exploding stars and rearrangements of materials and peoples has been occurring for the last fifty million years) there has been this militant, tactical group of pathologists that are trained to fight the spread of the disease throughout the galaxy and to carefully nudge the galaxy back on track towards spore" | 21:54 |
| fenn | does anyone recognize these legos? http://img.lugnet.com/ld/30364.gif http://img.lugnet.com/ld/30365.gif | 21:55 |
| kanzure | no | 21:56 |
| fenn | i'm guessing from the part number that it's fairly new | 21:56 |
| fenn | seems to only be in star wars kits | 21:57 |
| wrldpc2 | those legos look familiar | 21:57 |
| wrldpc2 | i want to say drawbridge or castle sets | 21:57 |
| fenn | here's more pics http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/30364 http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/30365 | 21:59 |
| wrldpc2 | has anyone in here read any of bucky's books? | 22:00 |
| fenn | i read "operating manual for spaceship earth" | 22:00 |
| fenn | and i think i read about half a page of synergetics volume 1 | 22:01 |
| wrldpc2 | cool ... does anybody in here take any nootropics? | 22:02 |
| wrldpc2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CX717 | 22:03 |
| wrldpc2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampakine | 22:05 |
| wrldpc2 | forgive the wiki links but whateva | 22:05 |
| kanzure | what's your favorite place to order from? | 22:08 |
| wrldpc2 | my friend boris recommended some random place but the site itself was shit. Can't recall. | 22:10 |
| wrldpc2 | this was a while ago | 22:10 |
| ybit | <off-topic> not really important, but thought i'd mention it: looking back at the past 2 years, i only get high ~4-6 times/year and drunk about the same number of times. usually it happens a few days from each other too. | 22:15 |
| fenn | yeah and i'm not addicted to chocolate, i havent eaten any for two whole weeks | 22:15 |
| fenn | well, except for three chocolate chip cookies last week | 22:16 |
| ybit | hah, i swear | 22:17 |
| * ybit doesn't eat chocolate often either | 22:18 | |
| ybit | or meat. and who was it complaining about vegans killing animals in a lab?.. it could just be a health decision, it's a lot easier to keep up with what nutrients are consumed as a vegetarian. it's hard to tell exactly what you exactly one gets in a piece of meat | 22:20 |
| fenn | jeez searching for 'toothed joint' brings up exactly the lego interface i was looking for, first hit | 22:20 |
| ybit | i drink and consume mj often, i just typically constrain its use | 22:24 |
| ybit | </off-topic> | 22:24 |
| ybit | any geeky something i could wake up to now that i use this computer as my alarm clock as well? | 22:26 |
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| ybit | maybe a few good talks? or even a text-to-audio conversion of something... | 22:27 |
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| fenn | music with a nice long slow intro | 22:28 |
| fenn | bach cello suites would be good | 22:28 |
| * ybit has a huge collection of nature sounds that has been being mixed with music | 22:28 | |
| ybit | now that's an idea, classical music interwoven with these songs | 22:29 |
| ybit | time for sleep 9h && mplayer *m3u | 22:29 |
| ybit | later | 22:29 |
| fenn | i have some samples of AK-47 being fired if that would help | 22:29 |
| ybit | haha, maybe that should be something to wake up after pressing snooze?.. | 22:30 |
| fenn | 'at' might be more reliable than sleep | 22:30 |
| fenn | whatever floats your boat | 22:31 |
| ybit | so i've been told | 22:31 |
| ybit | but why would at be more reliable? | 22:32 |
| fenn | power goes out; computer boots up and at daemon keeps going (sleep is dead and forgotten meanwhile) | 22:33 |
| ybit | oh | 22:33 |
| fenn | or you could do a cron job | 22:33 |
| ybit | noted | 22:34 |
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