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genehacker | 's giy | 01:18 |
genehacker | what is git? | 01:18 |
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timschmidt__ | git is a version control application | 03:12 |
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CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r b23f03b7ba40 /doc/todo/TODO: more todo added | 09:35 |
CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 21302447f47a /pymates/pymates.py: prototypes for some possibly useful methods in pymates | 09:35 |
CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 9c22864c8f59 /doc/proposals/biology-protocol-ontology.yaml: fixed some lines in the biology protocol ontology proposal | 09:35 |
CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r a6aa23665497 /pymates/rapid-test.py: modified pymates rapid-test a while ago, committing | 09:35 |
CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 3e21023750c4 /taxonomy.yaml: added biology protocol ontology to skdb/taxonomy.yaml, see the proposal dir for a possibly more useful file | 09:35 |
CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r ca1f21fb92ea /pymates/tests.py: cleaned up pymates unit tests (in pymates/tests.py) | 09:35 |
CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 54aa32554049 /clients/skdb-get.py: preliminary skdb-get.py prototype- does not do anything yet | 09:35 |
CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 3e74f3444f27 / (5 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://bryan@adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb | 09:35 |
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kanzure | tools and reagents according to Nature Protocols: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/tools-and-reagents--nature-protocols.html | 09:42 |
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CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 4916aa82c290 /core/interface.py: documentation | 10:02 |
CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 3330ea4c92ef /geom/geom.py: python property stuff.. this probably doesn't work at all | 10:02 |
CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 88b6a3a43976 /packages/lego/grammar.yaml: attempt to quantify lego interface functionality | 10:02 |
CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r b15a3afb8c04 /unittests/test_geom.py: half of a unit test | 10:02 |
fenn | foo.IsEqual(gp_Pnt(0,0,0), Precision().Confusion()) == 1 | 10:06 |
fenn | where foo = gp_Pnt(0,0,0) | 10:06 |
kanzure | tuition paid :/ | 10:13 |
kanzure | fenn: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/repositoryData.png | 10:30 |
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kanzure | fenn: http://www.civfanatics.com/images/civ3/tech%20tree/c3c_ancient.jpg | 11:38 |
kanzure | or, rather | 11:38 |
kanzure | http://www.civfanatics.com/images/civ3/tech%20tree/c3c_industrial.jpg | 11:38 |
kanzure | or perhaps even better: | 11:38 |
kanzure | http://www.civfanatics.com/images/civ3/tech%20tree/c3c_modern.jpg | 11:38 |
kanzure | (the last two links are the better ones) | 11:38 |
kanzure | http://home.comcast.net/~pmm1/games/civ3_tech_tree_rev100.gif | 11:39 |
ybit | http://cloud.github.com/downloads/yoshiki/yaml-mode/yaml-mode-0.0.4.tar.gz | 11:45 |
ybit | ^_^ | 11:45 |
ybit | there's a mode for everything | 11:46 |
ybit | http://yaml-mode.clouder.jp/ | 11:46 |
kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/techtrees/ | 11:46 |
ybit | http://github.com/yoshiki/yaml-mode/tree/master | 11:46 |
kanzure | many of these are completely stupid however, so be careful with those images | 11:47 |
fenn | uh oh | 11:56 |
CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r 746d7b3f90e3 /doc/dependency-tree.svg: drool | 12:06 |
CIA-38 | skdb: fenn * r f7e301782985 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of ssh://adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb | 12:06 |
draz|lab | kanzure: who is johnathon cline? | 12:10 |
kanzure | jonathan is an odd guy who lives in the attic of the molecular biology building across the street from where I am atm | 12:16 |
ybit | why was the dependency-tree.svg removed? | 12:23 |
kanzure | removed? | 12:25 |
ybit | fenn * r 746d7b3f90e3 /doc/dependency-tree.svg | 12:26 |
ybit | the r stands for removed iirc | 12:26 |
kanzure | r stands for revision | 12:27 |
kanzure | fenn made the r go to the left because you can't copy r3840180187204hdfoahfd but you can copy r 304108r4afoljdaf8148 | 12:28 |
kanzure | user interface crap re: irc clients :/ | 12:28 |
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* ybit wonders why it's not in the repo browser on github | 12:30 | |
ybit | http://github.com/kanzure/skdb/tree/01df6b3bb73e08b2a5fc4f0302721b5424f10479/doc | 12:30 |
kanzure | sorry, let me push | 12:31 |
kanzure | ok have fun | 12:32 |
kanzure | but you should also consider using http://adl.serveftp.org/git/gitweb.cgi | 12:32 |
ybit | so ..cia is following adl's git repo? | 12:32 |
kanzure | yes | 12:33 |
ybit | guess i should change the origin then | 12:33 |
ybit | git remote -v | 12:33 |
ybit | origingit://github.com/kanzure/skdb.git | 12:33 |
kanzure | git remote add origin | 12:34 |
kanzure | git remote rm some_old_name_goes_here | 12:34 |
ybit | the adl remote name ..git or http://? | 12:35 |
kanzure | er | 12:35 |
kanzure | for your situation, do this: | 12:35 |
kanzure | git remote rm origin; | 12:35 |
kanzure | git remote add origin http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb.git/ | 12:35 |
kanzure | or, alternatively, since you have ssh: | 12:35 |
ybit | so it's http | 12:36 |
kanzure | git remote add origin ssh://ybit@adl.serveftp.org/var/www/skdb.git/ | 12:36 |
ybit | ah, good point since i will have to do that later anyway | 12:37 |
* ybit is going to convert diyhplus_org.org into yaml. it's similar to trans-tech.yaml in that it includes relevant technology, but it also includes how to organize groups to more quickly finish the projects | 12:41 | |
ybit | with yaml-mode, it's just as easy to fold as it is in org-mode | 12:42 |
kanzure | ybit: maybe you could just start editing trans-tech.yaml instead? | 12:44 |
kanzure | since that already exists and such | 12:44 |
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ybit | if you don't mind me adding the diyhplus hackerspace organizing part | 12:45 |
kanzure | not really | 12:46 |
CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r b1df996169b2 / (core/part.py geom/geom.py unittests/test_geom.py): added a Transform class, wrote (passing) unit tests for it in test_geom.py | 12:46 |
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ybit | alright then, trans-tech.yaml it is | 12:46 |
kanzure | http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1333265&cid=29034715 "Nobody is going to put you in the GNU/Death Camps." | 13:02 |
kanzure | "So you admit they exist then. | 13:02 |
kanzure | You are correct, nobody will put you in them. Indeed, you must assemble the GNU/Death Camp yourself. The chain-link fence, razor wire, etc. are available for you to use under the terms of the GNU/DCL. If you are having trouble with assembly or use of GNU/Death Camps, don't even think about posting questions here unless you've RTFM, googled it and searched the mailing list archives." | 13:02 |
bkero | What is Richard Stallman's position at this GNU/Death camp? | 13:03 |
kanzure | funny how people like to hate on RMS as if he's crazy | 13:08 |
* kanzure fully expects splicer to come in here now and tell me how crazy RMS is (and by extension, /me) | 13:09 | |
* bkero doesn't hate RMS. | 13:18 | |
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bkero | Nothing wrong with GNU | 13:18 |
kanzure | except how people don't understand that project | 13:22 |
ybit | kanzure: :P | 13:23 |
ybit | 13:05 * kanzure fully expects splicer to come in here now and tell me how crazy RMS is (and by extension, /me) | 13:23 |
draz|lab | kanzure: does he know anything? | 13:23 |
draz|lab | well uhm, RMS is crazy | 13:24 |
* ybit barks like an insane loon at draz|lab | 13:27 | |
ybit | draz|lab: i know he created the biopunk forum, can't recall if he knows much bio though | 13:27 |
ybit | he's highly defensive of mac & co | 13:28 |
draz|lab | ... awesome | 13:28 |
ybit | </sarcasm> i'm assuming | 13:29 |
ybit | speak of mac&co believing in gnu death camps, kanzure, did he ever put a link to the git repo on diybio.org? | 13:30 |
kanzure | no | 13:32 |
strages | gnu death camps? | 13:32 |
strages | wtf? | 13:32 |
kanzure | strages: it was a quote from slashdot | 13:32 |
ybit | hi strages | 13:32 |
draz|lab | ah yes | 13:32 |
kanzure | strages: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1333265&cid=29034715 | 13:32 |
draz|lab | gnu death camps | 13:33 |
strages | hey ybit | 13:33 |
draz|lab | kanzure: so does jcline know anything? | 13:33 |
kanzure | does anyone know anyone at the Chinese WTA? | 13:33 |
kanzure | draz|lab: yes | 13:33 |
kanzure | draz|lab: one week he decided to read all of the microfluidic EWOD papers and subsequently build a device | 13:33 |
draz|lab | not bad | 13:33 |
any44613385 | While the study showed deficits in facial reading among recovered alcoholics, the small number of subjects means that the study could not answer the question of whether the problem is a result of alcoholism or whether people who become alcoholics already had difficulty with facial cues. | 13:34 |
kanzure | he seems to have a background in EE and bio at the same time | 13:34 |
draz|lab | apparently I'm the only one in this lab that could do westerns properly the first time | 13:34 |
draz|lab | hmph | 13:34 |
any44613385 | "The upshot, really, is that people who have had serious alcoholism problems sometime in the past, they could be misreading facial cues," said Ksenija Marinkovic, assistant professor in residence in the radiology department at the University of California, San Diego. "Not everybody is able to read facial cues in the same way." | 13:34 |
kanzure | draz|lab: I need an ontology or way of organizing a few thousand biology lab protocols | 13:34 |
any44613385 | this smells like a commonality to aspergers, in some yet-unknown fashion | 13:35 |
draz|lab | kanzure: do a tree, like you would for taxonomy, start with qualitative or quantitative, then what it detects, then accuracy | 13:35 |
kanzure | any44613385: there was a study once that I read that pinpointed the region responsible for facial issues in aspergers | 13:35 |
kanzure | draz|lab: "what it detects" ? | 13:36 |
kanzure | are you sure that's the best way to do it? | 13:36 |
kanzure | not by the technique being used? | 13:36 |
any44613385 | kanzure, i read a report of autopsies that said some people are missing as many as 17 facial muscle groups, and couldn't make fine expressions anyhow | 13:36 |
kanzure | yeah it's a common issue- look at people next time they smile | 13:37 |
draz|lab | "what it detects" is like, dna, enzyme, etc, but no, this is better, because say you want a qualitative way to detect protein, you don't care what method it uses, unless you only have specific ones availible, and if so, you'd be able to find which one you have | 13:37 |
kanzure | you'll see that many people can't control one side of their smile | 13:37 |
draz|lab | detects is the wrong word | 13:37 |
draz|lab | oh shit | 13:38 |
any44613385 | what wasn't documented is whetehr or not those who lacked the muscles had aspergers, and that may be a kenesthetic feedback situation as to why they could not see that in other people, because they themselves could not make those expressions | 13:38 |
draz|lab | you meant other stuff too | 13:38 |
kanzure | some lab techniques do not involve detection, draz|lab | 13:38 |
draz|lab | like isolating enzymes and all that | 13:38 |
draz|lab | yeah | 13:38 |
kanzure | yes | 13:38 |
draz|lab | man, I'm working off 4 hours sleep and a secondhand potsmoke headache | 13:38 |
draz|lab | gimme a minute | 13:38 |
kanzure | any44613385: I don't think the lack of facial muscles correlates to aspergers. I'm fairly certain it's a common occurence. | 13:38 |
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kanzure | gah, why can't I find my papers | 13:39 |
kanzure | this is bothersome | 13:39 |
draz|lab | DNA/RNA/Cell Culture/etc|technique used| | 13:39 |
draz|lab | I dunno, actually | 13:40 |
kanzure | no | 13:40 |
any44613385 | kanzure, i see a cultural thing to "smile control", if you smile you are not serious, therefore to get a point across you must frown | 13:40 |
kanzure | yes it's a hard question | 13:40 |
draz|lab | I don't smile or frown consciously | 13:40 |
draz|lab | also I am hella bored | 13:41 |
draz|lab | waiting for my gel to set | 13:41 |
any44613385 | i have watched people switch back and forth in telling a joke between smiling and frowning, it's really odd, they want to smile, but to get the audience to listen, they frown | 13:41 |
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kanzure | it's also called being good at telling a joke | 13:42 |
kanzure | if you start cracking up before the joke gets out, it's less effective | 13:42 |
any44613385 | yeas, but the switching back and forth is unnerving and distracting | 13:43 |
ybit | timschmidt__: weird, i had a dream last night that you came to my house and needed help in coding some app and then your two kids (i don't even know if you have kids) stomped in wearing camouflage and started destroying my room | 13:43 |
any44613385 | i have no kids | 13:43 |
strages | draz|lab: electrophoresis? | 13:44 |
ybit | maybe the dream's a sign of spending too much time on irc :) | 13:44 |
ybit | any44613385 meet strages, strages meet any44613385 | 13:45 |
any44613385 | ? | 13:45 |
ybit | local alabamians | 13:45 |
any44613385 | i wass about to say | 13:46 |
strages | hi any44613385 | 13:46 |
any44613385 | hi strages | 13:46 |
ybit | any44613385, you're ~2 hours away from huntsville, correct? | 13:46 |
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katsmeow | and 30 min from Bham | 13:46 |
strages | phenix city? | 13:46 |
katsmeow | no, 15 min outside Pell City | 13:47 |
strages | ah ok | 13:47 |
katsmeow | you are up near ybit | 13:48 |
strages | I am | 13:48 |
ybit | strages is in huntsville | 13:48 |
strages | I live in west huntsville currently | 13:48 |
ybit | i have several family members in that area | 13:49 |
ybit | the Englands | 13:49 |
strages | Chris England? | 13:49 |
strages | 25 or 26? | 13:49 |
ybit | hrm, never heard of the guy | 13:50 |
strages | nevermind then | 13:50 |
ybit | probably related though | 13:50 |
strages | went to highschool with him | 13:50 |
strages | in Athens | 13:50 |
ybit | ah, no. huntsville, don't know anyone in the family in athens | 13:50 |
strages | ok | 13:50 |
ybit | anyway, katsmeow, strages is organizing a hackerspace convention that is set to take place in september, and you should be there :) | 13:52 |
ybit | strages is part of #makerslocal | 13:52 |
katsmeow | i don't think so, i want out of Alabama, and generally out of the usa, and to that end all my time and money is going towards the big boat | 13:53 |
ybit | :) | 13:53 |
ybit | katsmeow: where to? | 13:53 |
strages | seasteading? | 13:53 |
katsmeow | i don't care where to, as long as i can hoist sail and anchor and relocate | 13:53 |
ybit | you sound a lot like Phreedom | 13:53 |
ybit | he wants his own hovercraft | 13:54 |
katsmeow | tell him to get tomaking it | 13:54 |
ybit | give him ~15 years | 13:54 |
katsmeow | company in Louisiana makes and sells hovercraft kits that will sustain 10ft in horizontal travel | 13:55 |
ybit | i don't doubt that he's going to have it built | 13:55 |
katsmeow | company in Fla makes flying boats that will sustain 60ft, but will not hover | 13:55 |
ybit | he had a sweet plan for a RV if i can find it... | 13:55 |
ybit | katsmeow: link maybe? | 13:56 |
strages | katsmeow: flying boats? | 13:56 |
strages | you got a link to that company? | 13:56 |
ybit | that's what i'm wanting to see, never heard of them | 13:56 |
ybit | oh i see | 13:56 |
ybit | just google for it strages | 13:57 |
ybit | and preferablly, use www2.sandbox.google.com like katsmeow found yesterday | 13:57 |
* katsmeow checks Tiggr's data | 13:57 | |
ybit | hrm, it doesn't give images like google.com does | 13:57 |
katsmeow | it's beta | 13:57 |
ybit | though it is 3x faster as mention previously | 13:57 |
ybit | anyway, when you get your boat katsmeow, come visit me in a coruna, spain one day | 13:59 |
katsmeow | why coruna? | 14:00 |
ybit | great weather, spain, spanish, europe | 14:00 |
katsmeow | ah | 14:00 |
katsmeow | i'd hate to have a passport issue with them and never get outa prison | 14:01 |
katsmeow | political rules can ruin anything | 14:01 |
ybit | middle-east coast of south america is the safest geographical location on this planet from what i've found, no tornadoes, hurricanes, and little to no earthquakes | 14:02 |
katsmeow | cusswords, i have *got* to merge these dbs | 14:02 |
ybit | which dbs? | 14:02 |
katsmeow | mass dowloads into the hand-edited one | 14:02 |
ybit | it is appealing that ~50km away from the coast, you are essentially your own nation-state | 14:02 |
ybit | ? | 14:02 |
ybit | link? | 14:03 |
katsmeow | i have /kb/boats/ , but no link back to mirroring an entire site | 14:03 |
katsmeow | none online | 14:04 |
katsmeow | it's over 500gig | 14:04 |
katsmeow | afk, brb | 14:04 |
ybit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzxuEOxYSLE&NR=1&feature=fvwp | 14:05 |
ybit | car-boat challenge.. | 14:05 |
katsmeow | bak | 14:08 |
* ybit wants to see a vid of http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/10/FlyingBoatGI.jpg | 14:09 | |
* katsmeow wants a walkabout tour of the Alinghi | 14:10 | |
katsmeow | ybit, that url you gave looks like the hover boat i was thinking of | 14:10 |
katsmeow | it's slso sold with enclosed cockput, and 6 passenger | 14:10 |
fenn | whatever broke in lego is not broken in 56b35589 (you have to delete "from threads import Thread" in skdb.py) to test: import skdb; skdb.load_package('lego').load_data() | 14:12 |
katsmeow | if you find their site, they have video | 14:12 |
strages | when I say flying boat I mean like a Catalina or something | 14:13 |
strages | something I can live in | 14:13 |
katsmeow | "normal" hovercraft : http://www.neoterichovercraft.com/ | 14:14 |
katsmeow | Catalina / PBY would use a lot of fuel and maintenance time | 14:14 |
katsmeow | and require faa certs | 14:14 |
strages | aye | 14:14 |
draz|lab | ahhahahaha | 14:16 |
draz|lab | my lab is on cnn | 14:16 |
katsmeow | http://www.hovercraft.com/content/index.php | 14:21 |
katsmeow | page has movies | 14:21 |
draz|lab | http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/07/14/heart.stem.cells/index.html | 14:28 |
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kanzure | http://xkcd.com/149/ | 14:34 |
kanzure | vid: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/27/sudo-make-me-a-sandw.html | 14:34 |
katsmeow-afk | strages , it may be interesting that a trimaran with two 15ft x 30ft airtight boxes tween the hulls has 129,600 square inches of horizontal surface space, so 1 psi in those boxes would lift a 60ton boat, with the added advantage that 4 of the box sides are the hulls | 14:37 |
katsmeow-afk | or it may not be interesting | 14:37 |
katsmeow-afk | downside is at one psi, over water, the water surface will be depressed a foot | 14:37 |
strages | neat | 14:39 |
katsmeow-afk | but the boat could still "fly" up onto sand bars, over low islands, or unbeach itself | 14:39 |
katsmeow-afk | and 60 tons is more boat than you are likely to build | 14:39 |
katsmeow-afk | once out of the water on air cushion, speed really builds | 14:39 |
katsmeow-afk | some large hydrofoil sailboats have hit 50mph and towed multiple skiers | 14:40 |
katsmeow-afk | i think it would be mind-blowing to see two old ww2 uboats apparently tied up to a floating dock, suddenly hop up to sitting atop the water, and take off at 200mph | 14:42 |
katsmeow-afk | they could do it with a 90ft x 300ft total "dock" area, given 1000ton uboats | 14:44 |
katsmeow-afk | 300ft isn't a problem, given ww2 uboats are ~300ft long | 14:44 |
katsmeow-afk | speaking of such, someone did a trial of a boat that resembled a catamaran, but the bottoms of the two hulls were hollow, so the boyancy was adjustable from 9ft draft to 2ft draft | 14:46 |
katsmeow-afk | at 2ft, the space tween the hulls grabbed enough air when in forward motion, the boat tried to fly, but wasn't designed for it | 14:47 |
katsmeow-afk | but it made good speed, because the bottoms of the two hulls was esentially air once inflated, so friction was zero | 14:48 |
katsmeow-afk | bbl | 14:48 |
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ybit | what's with yet another link to sudo make me a sandwich..? | 15:05 |
ybit | katsmeow-afk: meh, those hovercraft are small | 15:06 |
ybit | i was thinking something more like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountbatten_class_hovercraft or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zubr_class_LCAC | 15:07 |
ybit | so, draz|lab, you're in chicago? | 15:08 |
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draz|lab | ybit: no, the lee lab | 15:09 |
ybit | kanzure, what's smari been doing lately? | 15:09 |
draz|lab | ybit: buffalo | 15:09 |
ybit | i saw | 15:09 |
ybit | think i remember this coming up once too | 15:09 |
kanzure | ybit: trying to stop iceland from exploding | 15:19 |
bkero | kanzure: Do you have any idea how big NCBI is? | 15:20 |
genehacker | hovercraft? | 15:26 |
genehacker | how can one prevent iceland from exploding... | 15:26 |
ybit | by employing Brain and keeping Pinky away from him | 15:52 |
kanzure | bkero: no. many many terabtes. | 15:53 |
kanzure | terabytes | 15:53 |
bkero | At least it's in the right order of magnitude. | 15:54 |
kanzure | todo: subclass SetTranslation in Transform in skdb/geom/geom.py | 15:56 |
genehacker | yuck artifically created scarcity | 16:01 |
ybit | bkero: why are you asking, that would be a lot to copy. but if you could get a few labs to consider contributing space, you could have some type of distributed mirror maybe | 16:51 |
ybit | it's never bad to back-up after all | 16:51 |
* ybit wonders what their back-up solution is there | 16:51 | |
bkero | ybit: I happen to have a lab with a lot of space. | 16:52 |
ybit | bkero: maybe so, but enough for that...? | 16:56 |
bkero | I still need to know how many Terabytes it is | 16:57 |
ybit | email them? | 16:58 |
genehacker | ybit bkero has something like 200 TB of tape drive | 16:59 |
genehacker | isn't that right bkero? | 16:59 |
bkero | There's a stack of LTO-4 tapes here that will hold 1.6T each if that's what you're referring to | 17:00 |
genehacker | but we could use a second copy of NCBI | 17:12 |
bkero | This copy will be on I2 :) | 17:13 |
bkero | Which means gigabit to all universities! | 17:13 |
kanzure | bkero: would you be willing to back me up? | 17:14 |
bkero | kanzure: back you up? | 17:15 |
genehacker | in case of fire, drought, zombie apocalypse, swineflu pandemic, or nuclear holocaust | 17:15 |
kanzure | my data | 17:15 |
bkero | How much is there? | 17:15 |
kanzure | 700~ GB | 17:16 |
kanzure | not including movies | 17:16 |
kanzure | not including music | 17:16 |
bkero | Maybe | 17:17 |
bkero | Do you have iperf installed? | 17:17 |
genehacker | there's a /movies/? | 17:17 |
kanzure | genehacker: no | 17:17 |
kanzure | bkero: no | 17:17 |
bkero | kanzure: apt-get it real quick, it's very small | 17:17 |
genehacker | ok | 17:17 |
kanzure | bkero: ok | 17:17 |
bkero | kanzure: iperf -c ponderosa.osuosl.org | 17:18 |
kanzure | 89 Mbits/sec | 17:18 |
bkero | Not bad speed | 17:18 |
kanzure | fenn: do you have a reference for the "colder => better" ? | 17:19 |
fenn | no | 17:20 |
fenn | i remember reading somewhere that cold climates were good for thinking | 17:20 |
fenn | i think it was "guns, germs, and steel" | 17:20 |
kanzure | jared diamond | 17:21 |
* kanzure wonders if he should have read that by now | 17:21 | |
fenn | and it's well known that you can't think straight when overheating | 17:21 |
kanzure | it's one of those books you read by osmosis just by being around people who have read it | 17:21 |
fenn | so apply some linear wishful thinking... | 17:21 |
kanzure | you mean eliezer-thinking? | 17:21 |
fenn | i didnt actually read it | 17:21 |
genehacker | ah yes guns germs and steel is an interesting book | 17:21 |
fenn | really more like interpolation than extrapolation | 17:22 |
genehacker | had to know stuff about it for one of my classes in high school | 17:22 |
CIA-38 | skdb: kanzure * r 140a67a2d68e /geom/geom.py: convert from assert to raise | 17:22 |
kanzure | genehacker: one of your classes required you to read it? | 17:22 |
kanzure | was this high school or the fake high school? | 17:22 |
kanzure | is stormfront.org the white supremacy forum? | 17:23 |
kanzure | nevermind. there was a thread there suggesting something about having to plan more in colder climates in evolutionary history, but then I realized that a white supremacy forum might not be the best place to read that | 17:24 |
fenn | historically people haven't been living in one place for very long anyway | 17:25 |
kanzure | right | 17:25 |
fenn | what's a couple thousand years wrt evolution | 17:25 |
kanzure | and even if they were, they would quickly mate with some other groups that weren't local | 17:26 |
genehacker | no we didn't read it | 17:31 |
genehacker | we watched a movie about it | 17:31 |
genehacker | real highschool | 17:31 |
genehacker | not the fake-highschool-college-highschool | 17:32 |
kanzure | there was a movie? | 17:33 |
genehacker | I think there was something like a TV documentary thing | 17:35 |
fenn | http://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/ | 17:36 |
genehacker | yeah I think it's that one | 17:36 |
genehacker | nothing about cold climates | 17:37 |
genehacker | as far as I can recall | 17:37 |
genehacker | his main premise is that domesticated plants and animals can move more easily accross same latitudes than different latitudes | 17:38 |
fenn | you'd expect there to be more about the link between heat and not being able to think straight | 17:40 |
fenn | :%s/foo\(.*\)/\1/ | 17:41 |
fenn | foobar -> bar | 17:41 |
kanzure | I'm trying to do this: | 17:43 |
kanzure | :%s/\([0-9].\)*/\1/ | 17:44 |
kanzure | doesn't seem to work | 17:44 |
kanzure | ok fixed | 17:47 |
CIA-38 | brain: kanzure master * r3511ba2 / allenbraininstitute/entrez_geneid_list_human-cortices.txt : list of genes in the human cortices according to the Allen Brain Institute - http://bit.ly/2okLV | 17:47 |
kanzure | does anyone have a entrez gene id -> entrez gene name script? | 17:48 |
draz|lab | kanzure: if you're using biopython it's really easy | 17:48 |
draz|lab | it'sz something like: | 17:48 |
draz|lab | something = entrez.fetch(db=nucleotide,id=blah) ; something2 = entrez.read(something) | 17:49 |
draz|lab | it's very similar to that | 17:49 |
genehacker | well this one company is marketing a brain cooler for people whose brains overheat | 17:51 |
genehacker | or something like that | 17:51 |
draz|lab | I think my brain overheated today | 17:52 |
draz|lab | but that was fromt oo much coffee, too hot a building, and not enough sleep | 17:52 |
-!- draz|lab is now known as drazak | 17:52 | |
genehacker | there's a reference to heat making you not think straight in Macbeth | 17:54 |
genehacker | hey I can use qcad in linux right? | 18:00 |
genehacker | sudo apt-get qcad correct? | 18:00 |
kanzure | drazak: got it | 18:00 |
kanzure | er, got it many minutes ago :p | 18:01 |
kanzure | ut anyway, it's working now | 18:01 |
kanzure | I was thinking of maybe using a wet towel around the head | 18:01 |
genehacker | are you over clocking yourself? | 18:01 |
genehacker | well the sharper image(or what's left of them anyway) | 18:02 |
genehacker | used to sell a device you place around your neck to cool you down | 18:02 |
kanzure | no, I don't want to overclock myself | 18:03 |
kanzure | there's just something weird about how I'm always sweating | 18:03 |
kanzure | it's really not conducive to work | 18:03 |
genehacker | the idea is that since you get a lot of bloodflow through your neck you can cool yourself down | 18:04 |
genehacker | any turn up the airconditioning | 18:04 |
fenn | "overclocking considered harmful" http://www.logarithmic.net/pfh/overclocking | 18:04 |
kanzure | wasn't there something similar on supermemo.com ? | 18:05 |
kanzure | fenn: is the connection slow for you? | 18:06 |
kanzure | wtf | 18:08 |
kanzure | the gene with entrez id 376475 does not seem to have a gene symbol | 18:09 |
kanzure | but it seems to have the name "XXYorf1-related protein" | 18:09 |
kanzure | sorry, "CXYorf1-related protein" | 18:09 |
drazak | there's a bunch like that | 18:10 |
kanzure | orly? | 18:11 |
CIA-38 | brain: kanzure master * raa2e7bc / scripts/annotations.py : added annotations.py - figure out entrez gene name and symbols from entrez identification numbers - http://bit.ly/eerLy | 18:12 |
CIA-38 | brain: kanzure master * r1739c01 / scripts/annotations.py : minor alterations to the gene name retrieval script - http://bit.ly/13vahA | 18:12 |
CIA-38 | brain: kanzure master * r7d9181a / allenbraininstitute/brain_genes.yaml : added a list of genes appearing in the human brain according to the Allen Brain Institute, in yaml - http://bit.ly/2vH23 | 18:12 |
ybit | brain is... | 18:24 |
ybit | at adl? | 18:24 |
ybit | or only github | 18:24 |
kanzure | github | 18:26 |
drazak | kanzure: yeah | 18:31 |
drazak | kanzure: a particular geneid will be tagged if you search for like, vegf, but it'll be the whole chromosome | 18:31 |
CIA-38 | brain: kanzure master * ra6de58b / (3 files): find longest brain gene name - http://bit.ly/O2Szh | 18:33 |
CIA-38 | brain: kanzure master * r1f5dbab / allenbraininstitute/brain_genes.yaml : fix brain_genes.yaml - http://bit.ly/13gUI4 | 18:33 |
CIA-38 | brain: kanzure master * re1e7e74 / allenbraininstitute/gene_names_by_len : the human brain gene with the longest name is aldo-keto reductase family 1, member C2 (dihydrodiol dehydrogenase 2; bile acid binding protein; 3-alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase, type III) - http://bit.ly/Flgz1 | 18:33 |
-!- kanzure changed the topic of #hplusroadmap to: aldo-keto reductase family 1, member C2 (dihydrodiol dehydrogenase 2; bile acid binding protein; 3-alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase, type III) | 18:34 | |
ybit | vegetarians are always cold, become vegetarian if you are looking to overclock your system ;) | 18:45 |
kanzure | gah, I'm not looking to overclock | 18:47 |
kanzure | I'm not normal .. my body is too hot most of the time (maybe) | 18:47 |
kanzure | or I have some sort of weird sweating condition | 18:47 |
kanzure | or I have an aversion to heat | 18:48 |
kanzure | I'm really not sure what it could be. | 18:48 |
* kanzure needs to design a few experiments | 18:48 | |
genehacker | http://brodylab.eng.uci.edu/~jpbrody/reynolds/lowpurcell.html | 18:57 |
genehacker | interestin article about low reynolds number propulsion | 18:59 |
CIA-38 | brain: kanzure master * r1732b44 / (3 files in 2 dirs): added mouse brain genes, also found brain genes by length - http://bit.ly/1E7IF3 | 19:02 |
kanzure | hm need to find a way to organize this information by organelle | 19:11 |
genehacker | blast pump broke on my heat exchanger | 19:11 |
kanzure | for instance, synaptogyrin is involved in vesicles, not necessarily any other part of a neuron | 19:11 |
kanzure | huh, the mouse brain only has DNA polymerase N? | 19:13 |
kanzure | "Unusual for an A-family DNA polymerase, POLN is a low fidelity enzyme incorporating T opposite template G with a frequency of 0.45 and G opposite template T with a frequency of 0.021. The frequency of misincorporation of T opposite template G is higher than any other known DNA polymerase." | 19:13 |
CIA-38 | brain: kanzure master * re930f6f / scripts/receptors.sh : added a small script to quickly find some receptor-related genes in the mouse brain gene list - http://bit.ly/bIhOD | 19:21 |
CIA-38 | brain: kanzure master * rcce5a12 / scripts/filter.sh : simple grep wrapper script - http://bit.ly/14QbMq | 19:26 |
genehacker | testing my personal cooling system | 19:38 |
genehacker | cannot discern if it is workign | 19:39 |
genehacker | it works, but not too well | 19:43 |
genehacker | oh yeah it works | 19:49 |
drazak | lol | 19:51 |
drazak | we have like a billion frezers at the lab | 19:52 |
drazak | I could just stick my head in one for 30secs | 19:52 |
genehacker | do you live in texas where it's hot outside? | 19:55 |
drazak | no | 19:56 |
drazak | it was 91 and 87% humidity here | 19:56 |
genehacker | oh that's even worse | 19:56 |
drazak | yeah | 19:56 |
drazak | it's nasty here | 19:56 |
genehacker | I need more heat transfer though | 19:57 |
drazak | and the freezers make the lab hot | 19:57 |
genehacker | vinyl tubing doesn't work that well at transferin heat to ice | 19:57 |
genehacker | heh damn thermodynamics | 19:57 |
genehacker | ideally we could harness all the energy in heat so that coolers generate electricity as opposed to using it | 19:58 |
genehacker | that's odd | 20:00 |
genehacker | why's my battery pack heating up? | 20:00 |
kanzure | does anyone have a photograph of a myostatin-inhibited silverback gorilla? | 20:03 |
genehacker | myostatin inhibited silverback gorilla? | 20:12 |
kanzure | ""Gumilid Lantod was alone in the jungle catching bats on Mindoro Island in the Philippines when a 23ft (7m) python bit him on the foot and squeezed him to death. Then the monster swallowed the 154lb (60kg) man. Friends later found the snake and slit it open, finding the father of six already half digested."" | 20:12 |
genehacker | is this something that happened naturally? | 20:12 |
kanzure | apparently | 20:14 |
genehacker | cool | 20:14 |
genehacker | are battery pack supposed to get hot? | 20:18 |
drazak | yes | 20:18 |
genehacker | hot enough to nearly burn? | 20:18 |
genehacker | do you know why? | 20:18 |
drazak | do you know the chemistry behind batteries? | 20:20 |
drazak | or stuff about electricity? | 20:20 |
drazak | resistence=heat | 20:20 |
drazak | drawing current=heat | 20:20 |
genehacker | ok understood | 20:21 |
genehacker | then I need to move my batteries... | 20:21 |
katsmeow-afk | why didn't Gumilid Lantod convert the python into steaks before the snake got to his arms? | 20:24 |
katsmeow-afk | as the snake had a mouthful of his foot, surely he could locate the snake's head and remove it | 20:24 |
genehacker | with what? | 20:27 |
katsmeow-afk | his machete | 20:28 |
kanzure | what might happen if you started slowly replacing the genes that encode the megaptera brain? | 20:35 |
genehacker | with what genes? | 20:40 |
genehacker | what are you trying to do with whale brains? | 20:40 |
genehacker | make a giant biocomputer? | 20:41 |
kanzure | "rs34516635, a SNP in the IGF1R gene, claimed to be of significance based on a study of centenarian Ashkenazi females" | 20:41 |
kanzure | heh Melanie Swan's snp data: http://www.snpedia.com/index.php/User:MelanieSwan | 20:44 |
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genehacker | fenn you run qcad correct | 21:22 |
genehacker | ? | 21:22 |
ybit | genehacker: what do you need to know? | 21:25 |
genehacker | how to install qcad community edition on linux | 21:26 |
genehacker | apparently I have to compile it from source | 21:26 |
ybit | genehacker: what's wrong with apt-get install qcad? | 21:27 |
genehacker | oh let me try that | 21:28 |
genehacker | wow | 21:29 |
ybit | next time you are curious if something is in the ubuntu repo, try this from the cli: apt-cache search <whatever_keyword> | 21:29 |
ybit | apt-cache search qcad | 21:29 |
ybit | for instance | 21:29 |
genehacker | thank you ybit | 21:29 |
ybit | apt-cache search bio | 21:29 |
ybit | etc | 21:29 |
genehacker | I think I love linux now | 21:29 |
ybit | np | 21:29 |
ybit | welcome to the family | 21:29 |
ybit | it only gets better | 21:30 |
genehacker | you know any good irc clients? | 21:33 |
ybit | genehacker: irssi | 21:34 |
ybit | you'll really like screen + irssi | 21:34 |
ybit | otherwise, konversation is n00b friendly | 21:34 |
ybit | some like xchat | 21:34 |
ybit | elites prefer screen + irssi or screen + weechat | 21:34 |
ybit | screen allows you to restart your X server and resume your shell sessions without losing any data | 21:35 |
ybit | i.e. you could restart your X server and when you resumed your irc client, you wouldn't lose any of the chat conversation | 21:36 |
ybit | also, if you were to ssh tunnel into your computer from some other computer you could view the screen shells from there too | 21:36 |
ybit | by just doing screen -d -r <screen #> | 21:36 |
ybit | true elites no weechat is where it's @ though ;) | 21:37 |
* ybit has recently become fond of it | 21:37 | |
ybit | it's highly extensible | 21:37 |
ybit | the command line (cli for short) will become your best friend just to let you know | 21:40 |
ybit | it allows you to do things much quicker than clickity clicking away | 21:40 |
ybit | you will eventually move into the text editing wars as well, vim or emacs (screw the rest) | 21:42 |
ybit | the shell wars were never big, but zsh rules the roost imho | 21:42 |
genehacker | what's this git thing everyone talks about | 21:42 |
ybit | it's a version control system for files | 21:43 |
ybit | apt-cache search git | 21:43 |
ybit | oh right.. so since you are new.. man pages and google will help a lot | 21:43 |
ybit | when you download software type in 'man <software' into your cli prompt | 21:43 |
ybit | man git | 21:44 |
ybit | man man | 21:44 |
ybit | man vim | 21:44 |
ybit | man emacs | 21:44 |
ybit | etc | 21:44 |
ybit | it will give you an overview of the software, its commands, and related man pages | 21:44 |
ybit | i'm sure there are several 'new to linux?' type how-tos out there as well | 21:45 |
ybit | say you want to clone a repo, you just do 'git clone <repoaddress>' | 21:45 |
ybit | you'll be using git status, git add <file(s)>, git commit -a -m "<comment>" and git push often before long | 21:47 |
ybit | your command line is a scripting language itself | 21:48 |
ybit | bash, zsh, etc. | 21:48 |
ybit | echo "mplayer -playlist /var/www/audio/playlists/alarm1.m3u" | at now + 9 hours && sleep 20m && mplayer -playlist /var/www/audio/playlists/alarm2.m3u && sleep 3m && mplayer /var/www/audio/playlists/alarm3.m3u | 21:49 |
ybit | that's a bad example of code, but it shows what can be done | 21:49 |
ybit | notice the | symbol? | 21:49 |
ybit | that's called piping | 21:50 |
ybit | you can pipe output to other programs | 21:50 |
ybit | in this case, i was able to pipe the output from the program 'echo' to the program 'at' | 21:50 |
ybit | the double ampersand (&&) means to perform a command after another has been completed | 21:51 |
ybit | the semi-colon is similar | 21:52 |
ybit | the double ampersands wait for a program to exit successfully before continuing | 21:52 |
ybit | the semi-colon ";" executes the command regardless if the previous program exited succesffully | 21:52 |
ybit | another example... | 21:53 |
ybit | for file in * ; do cp $file $file.bak; done | 21:53 |
ybit | this makes a simple backup of all files in a directory | 21:53 |
ybit | also... (and you really should be thankful i'm saving you time ;) | 21:53 |
ybit | ...aliases.. | 21:53 |
ybit | they become helpful the more you use a shell | 21:53 |
ybit | you can make your own commands (called aliases) by editing you shell's config file | 21:54 |
ybit | for bash, and since you are using ubuntu, you are by default using bash, the config file is /home/genehacker/.bashrc | 21:54 |
ybit | you would do something like vim ~/.bashrc or emacs ~/.bashrc | 21:55 |
ybit | nano ~/.bashrc | 21:55 |
ybit | nano is alright if you are new to text editing using a cli | 21:55 |
genehacker | ok | 21:55 |
ybit | apt-get install vim emacs nano | 21:55 |
ybit | either or all doesn't matter | 21:55 |
ybit | so.. to create your own command.. you will put this in your config... | 21:56 |
ybit | alias grep='grep -i -r' | 21:56 |
ybit | alias mv='mv -i' | 21:56 |
ybit | alias "hci"='runhaskell Setup clean && runhaskell Setup configure --prefix=$HOME --user && runhaskell Setup build && runhaskell Setup install' | 21:56 |
ybit | those are a few i have in mine | 21:56 |
ybit | you can have aliases for different ssh sessions as well | 21:57 |
ybit | for kicks, you can do "sweeet"="echo 'this is so cool!'" | 21:58 |
ybit | save the file and exit | 21:59 |
ybit | and from the cli type.. source ~/.bashrc | 21:59 |
ybit | then type your alias/new command | 21:59 |
ybit | </mini_linux_101_lecture> | 21:59 |
ybit | the alias is sweeet (just in case you were wondering) | 22:01 |
ybit | and lastly /join #linux and /join #ubuntu from whatever irc client you decide to use, that will be a big help for you | 22:05 |
kanzure | ybit: it's not apt-cache search git; apt-cache search git-core .. on ubuntu and debian repos, it's git-core, not git (for some stupid reason) | 22:10 |
ybit | something fun to show complete n00bs is to show them 'apt-get install <awesome_looking_3d_game>' openarena tremulous sauerbraten etc | 22:10 |
ybit | apt-cache search git will show git-core | 22:10 |
ybit | it's keyword search | 22:10 |
kanzure | sure | 22:11 |
ybit | anyway, and then ask them if they know of any other operating system that by default allows them to freely download such games | 22:11 |
ybit | always brings a smile to their faces | 22:11 |
kanzure | have you tried bzflag? | 22:11 |
ybit | (after showing the game in action of course) | 22:11 |
ybit | yeah | 22:12 |
kanzure | how is it? | 22:12 |
ybit | been a long time, i didn't like the controls, seemed really slow compared to openarena | 22:12 |
ybit | which is my addiction.. | 22:12 |
ybit | however.. since this fresh install of gentoo, i've kept myself from playing games | 22:12 |
ybit | i have more of a mind game going with myself now | 22:12 |
kanzure | I only play tetris. do you have any recommendations? I don't do FPSes. | 22:12 |
ybit | 'how many tasks can i complete in a day' is one objective of this game | 22:13 |
kanzure | the problem with todo lists and me is that I inevitably begin spending four or five hours a day obsessively updating the todo list | 22:13 |
ybit | er.. well... what do you want? | 22:13 |
ybit | artisitic intepretations of 8bit games? because i have several 8 bit game recommendations | 22:13 |
kanzure | sure | 22:13 |
ybit | if you want rts, spring is the way to go | 22:13 |
ybit | gles is more traditional | 22:14 |
ybit | btw, genehacker, you'll probably like battle (of|for) wesnoth | 22:14 |
ybit | apt-cache search wesnoth | 22:14 |
kanzure | yeah I played wesnoth for a while | 22:14 |
kanzure | then I broke down and got starcraft | 22:14 |
ybit | games # ls | 22:14 |
ybit | 8bit_killer MondrianProvoked_1.1.exe aether gabaaba.exe mr_heart_loves_you_very_much.zip papermoon-gamma-public | 22:14 |
kanzure | er, wait | 22:14 |
ybit | Between_v5_UnixSource Passage_v3_UnixSource battlecode games i've yet to play n_v1linux pingpong.exe | 22:14 |
kanzure | it's not wesnoth that I am thinking of | 22:14 |
ybit | Disco Space Invader.zip WorldOfGoo.tar.bz2 bgm.dll judith.tar.gz openarena-0.8.1 sunset_runner.exe | 22:14 |
ybit | Don't Look Back.exe Wubly_final_.zip bloody.zip mod-x owlcountry-win.zip | 22:15 |
kanzure | what's the warcraft-like rts that I'm thinking of? | 22:15 |
kanzure | heh World of Goo. is that supergoo? | 22:15 |
kanzure | there used to be this app called supergoo, and I spent way too many hours with it | 22:15 |
ybit | papermoon-gamma and passage are two neat games | 22:15 |
kanzure | alex4 is worth checking out | 22:16 |
kanzure | even if you're trying to stop playing games | 22:16 |
kanzure | it's rather short | 22:16 |
ybit | no, it's a playstation2|3 (i think) or maybe it was a pc game that was ported to linux | 22:16 |
ybit | you'll have to torrent it | 22:16 |
kanzure | can't seem to torrent properly any more | 22:16 |
ybit | there was some action-adventure game that i had... | 22:17 |
kanzure | any time I try any port number, every thing is shaped | 22:17 |
ybit | 256_seconds.zip DoomedPlanet.zip Pazzon.zip bloody_zombies.zip fireflies-osx.zip shitgame.zip | 22:17 |
ybit | 4mins33secs.zip Execution.zip Torque.zip dive.zip flow_04142006.zip stdbits.zip | 22:17 |
ybit | BlottoBrace_Final.rar Frozzd.zip arcade.zip downloads\TheDepthsToWhichISink.zip papermoon-gamma-public.zip | 22:17 |
ybit | those are games i never got around to playing | 22:17 |
ybit | genehacker: there are also several decent 3d mmorpg games | 22:18 |
genehacker | world of goo for linux? | 22:19 |
genehacker | I don't play rpgs | 22:20 |
* ybit became a puzzle addict before moving onto math and logic problems, before finally and lastly moving onto coding problems | 22:20 | |
ybit | now if i can find some links... | 22:20 |
katsmeow-afk | vectorTD | 22:22 |
ybit | genehacker, you'll also like these programs gimp inkscape blender and a bunch of other programs from the ubuntustudio repo | 22:22 |
genehacker | I don't use blender | 22:23 |
genehacker | have no use | 22:23 |
ybit | http://www.pythonchallenge.com/ http://www.spoj.pl/ http://projecteuler.net/ http://battlecode.mit.edu/2009/ http://domino.research.ibm.com/Comm/wwwr_ponder.nsf/pages/index.html | 22:26 |
ybit | are all fun | 22:26 |
ybit | if you have time to spare | 22:26 |
ybit | so are the numb3rs genius challenges | 22:27 |
ybit | i ended up creating my 'game of life' though and have been creating rules with it. it's a way of ensuring productivity | 22:32 |
ybit | it's fun and productive, can't beat it | 22:33 |
ybit | fifo_dir = /tmp | 22:34 |
ybit | socket_dir = /tmp | 22:34 |
ybit | con_path = $HOME/.local/share/uzbl/uzbl.png | 22:34 |
ybit | whoops that was supposed to go to someone having problems in #uzbl | 22:37 |
-!- mason-l [n=x@202-89-188-136.static.dsl.amnet.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap | 22:44 | |
ybit | mason-l: welcome to 'where all the cool kids hang' | 22:44 |
ybit | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers may be of interest | 22:44 |
ybit | fenn and kanzure have been putting a lot of work into this git repo: http://adl.serftp.org/skdb.git | 22:45 |
ybit | also on github, check out http://github.com/kanzure | 22:45 |
ybit | mason-l: relevant mailing list: groups.google.com/group/diytranshumanist | 22:47 |
ybit | wasn't andrew hessel in australia...? | 22:53 |
ybit | he had some word on curing cancer iirc | 22:57 |
ybit | s/word/work | 22:57 |
genehacker | time to see if I can't see perseids | 23:16 |
ybit | don't forget a helment genehacker ;) | 23:31 |
ybit | mason-l is helping to form a hackerspace in perth, western australia if anyone is interested. i'm guessing most everyone is sleeping | 23:31 |
genehacker | we need to set up a hackerspace system | 23:46 |
ybit | go on.. | 23:46 |
genehacker | so hackers all over the world can know where hackerspace are and collaborate with them | 23:47 |
genehacker | whenever they happen to be in the area | 23:47 |
genehacker | sorta like how masonic lodges used to be | 23:47 |
ybit | genehacker: #hackerspaces might be interested in discussing this when people are actually around and not sleeping | 23:47 |
strages | hackerspaces.org | 23:47 |
genehacker | also isn't there some sort of algorithm for approximated a circle of radius r with n line segments? | 23:48 |
genehacker | *approximating | 23:49 |
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