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| ybit | nice, someone from instructables just sent me the pdf: http://ybit.ath.cx/docs/papers/Build%20a%20Microwave%20Transformer%20Homeade%20Stick%20Arc%20Welder.pdf | 00:25 |
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| katsmeow-afk | ybit, compare the power input on a good growlbox to that of a microwave oven transformer | 00:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | my gowlbox kicks a 30amp 240v breaker when doing serious welding , you can't put that much into a nukebox xformer | 00:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | he talks about 1/16 rods, 3/32 rods, and 1/8 rods , i burn thru at least 100lbs of 1/8 rod every year, but never as much as 5lbs of 3/32, and i never use 1/16 rod | 00:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | and 60xx rod is crap, do not trust your life to 6013 or 6011 rod | 00:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | i use 7018 exclusively | 00:44 |
| katsmeow-afk | dc is best | 00:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | i used 600v 300amp low-drop diodes, i seldom go over 120amps | 00:47 |
| ybit | thanks katsmeow-afk, that will probably be useful to know when i start welding | 00:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | <curtsey> | 01:01 |
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| ybit | http://sonixgvn.blogspot.com/2008/10/fable-ii-original-soundtrack.html | 01:25 |
| ybit | the links from there are nice too, such as http://www.gamemp3s.net/ http://www.videogamemusic.us/ http://rpgmm.mopoo.com/user1/rpgmm/index.html etc | 01:26 |
| ybit | fenn, kanzure, you might like http://share.dmhy.org/ | 01:28 |
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| kanzure | hi droid | 07:22 |
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| kanzure | hello freeze | 07:58 |
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| CIA-31 | skdb: kanzure * r b07c767 /geom/geom.py: fix Direction class (type gp_Vec, not type gp_Dir) | 09:36 |
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| CIA-31 | skdb: fenn * r 03e0fad / (geom/geom.py unittests/test_geom.py): fix OCC_triple(gp_*) bug the right way (hope I didnt break the if statement) | 10:09 |
| fenn | so i guess i should use a graph class to represent the connection graph | 10:13 |
| kanzure | python-graph? | 10:13 |
| fenn | then when i want to walk the chain of transformations from one part to another, i traverse the graph and apply trsf's at each node | 10:13 |
| fenn | or maybe trsf is an arc | 10:13 |
| kanzure | I'll look up some screencast bullshit | 10:15 |
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| kanzure | fenn: know anything about getting an ffmpeg encoder working? | 10:25 |
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| ncravens | SAP!! | 10:34 |
| ncravens | I'm watching some folk play with something called tent at #esp http://wiki.openkollab.com/wagn/Tent_Help | 10:36 |
| ncravens | the prompt: skdb-make robot-maid: failed: @#@#@$@SDL!! | 10:37 |
| kanzure | hey ncravens | 10:42 |
| kanzure | yeah fenn's working on that at the moment | 10:43 |
| kanzure | ncravens: nice to see you in here | 10:44 |
| ncravens | its nice to see you out there too man. | 10:45 |
| kanzure | what? | 10:45 |
| ncravens | yes. | 10:45 |
| kanzure | you never show up in here, why is that? | 10:45 |
| kanzure | just wondering. thought you'd want to be up to date on the latest and greatest versions. | 10:45 |
| ncravens | because , well, I got burnt on chatting years ago, but now I realize ... there's stuff worth chatting about now | 10:45 |
| ncravens | latest and greatest versions of pink fluffy?! | 10:46 |
| timschmidt | Hey guys, I've designed, and am starting to manufacture some Arduino clones with additional features (relays, power mosfets, temp and light sensors, and the like) for sale. What would you like to see a purpose-built Arduino made to do? | 10:46 |
| kanzure | oh, you're selling them? | 10:46 |
| kanzure | you didn't tell me that, tim | 10:46 |
| timschmidt | sorry | 10:47 |
| timschmidt | didn't intend to not tell you. | 10:47 |
| timschmidt | designs will be FOSS, of course. | 10:47 |
| timschmidt | just building and selling for those who can't themselves. | 10:47 |
| timschmidt | The one I'm nearly done with is based on a clone that was licensed GPLv3, so it will be too. | 10:49 |
| fenn | i'd like a $10 temperature logger with optional 7 segment display | 10:49 |
| timschmidt | easy enough | 10:50 |
| ncravens | so how's the Austin lab shaping up? | 10:55 |
| kanzure | it's moved to california | 10:56 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: so, I think you should package up your kits into skdb | 10:57 |
| kanzure | this is the exactly right scenario | 10:57 |
| kanzure | they're GPL'd, you want to make some cash, and you need to get some more widespread knowledge of them, or something | 10:57 |
| kanzure | and even if you don't want to make them forever, still making a couple hundred or something would make you happy (right?) | 10:57 |
| ncravens | where in california? ; | 10:58 |
| CIA-31 | skdb: fenn * r 27d6e13 /doc/todo/TODO: doo | 10:58 |
| CIA-31 | skdb: fenn * r cd02214 / (geom/geom.py paths.py): now make_lego puts the brick in the scene such that interfaces[0] is at the origin and oriented along the Z axis | 10:58 |
| kanzure | the coast | 10:58 |
| kanzure | LA possibly | 10:58 |
| kanzure | ncravens: the austin fabratory is still ticking away | 10:58 |
| kanzure | however I might not stay here forever | 10:58 |
| ncravens | where you have in mind? | 10:59 |
| fenn | by "ticking" you mean that cricket noise when nobody's there? | 10:59 |
| timschmidt | kanzure: first batch will be 100. I would not be disappointed to make a few thousand. | 10:59 |
| kanzure | ok, that's a lot of manual labor, but sure | 10:59 |
| ncravens | kanzure: fenn: I'd like to get your input on this: http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0ATsf-IaJ1pQxZGcyanpkZnRfMjc1aGN2YzdnZ2Q&hl=en | 10:59 |
| kanzure | last I checked there was a few people over there | 11:00 |
| kanzure | ncravens: if this is another openkollab thing, I'm going to puke | 11:00 |
| ncravens | hehehe | 11:00 |
| kanzure | i'm tired of you not listening | 11:00 |
| kanzure | so I'm putting my foot down. | 11:00 |
| ncravens | I'm listening. ;) | 11:00 |
| fenn | i'm busy | 11:01 |
| kanzure | did you see the skdb presentation, ncravens ? | 11:01 |
| ncravens | where? | 11:02 |
| kanzure | ncravens: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/presentations/updates-from-austin.pdf | 11:02 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: there was a huge thread on diybio once about this | 11:03 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_frm/thread/f283180392f16cdd/7362d9da4b8bffdf?#7362d9da4b8bffdf | 11:04 |
| kanzure | you might get some ideas there for stuff that people want | 11:04 |
| kanzure | and have publicly admitted that they want :) | 11:04 |
| timschmidt | thanks | 11:08 |
| ncravens | kanzure: so what do you think of these espian folk? | 11:08 |
| kanzure | not interested | 11:08 |
| ncravens | have you talked to them about skdb? | 11:20 |
| kanzure | I mentioned it in #openkollab, no one was interested | 11:24 |
| ncravens | have you mentioned it to #esp? | 11:28 |
| ncravens | slide 36 'Consideration: product as graph' reminds me of Minsky's model of AI. | 11:29 |
| kanzure | luckily this doesn't require ai | 11:30 |
| ncravens | for the parts that require hand entry... ai would be nice? | 11:31 |
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| ncravens | your friend Sam Rose is having a chat with Suresh Fernando at #openkollab | 11:33 |
| ncravens | what does "f.s. c.f.g. d.a.m." on slide 36 mean? | 11:35 |
| ncravens | What evoked the ANGRY? | 11:37 |
| CIA-31 | skdb: fenn * r e386cbb /geom/geom.py: added skdb.Interface.get_transformation() | 11:53 |
| CIA-31 | skdb: fenn * r 6f809f8 /paths.py: playing with get_transformation(); implemented make_arrow_to() | 11:53 |
| kanzure | ncravens: "FS" means "function structure" | 12:01 |
| kanzure | "CFG" means "Configuration Flow Graph" | 12:01 |
| kanzure | "DAM" means something about a matrix regarding assembly of a part | 12:01 |
| kanzure | honestly that slide was thrown in from the lab professor | 12:01 |
| kanzure | it's not really as useful as you might think it sounds :p | 12:01 |
| ncravens | ahh... ic | 12:01 |
| ncravens | I just saw nodes and links from what appeared to be baser or simple objects below creating higher level stuff; just applying a similar pattern Marvin Minsky used for AI... am I close? | 12:03 |
| kanzure | no, the graphs have nodes which represent parts and the edges represent connections between parts | 12:03 |
| kanzure | however, the lab's format for this is not developed- there's some software that uses it, but it's too generic and not useful for engineering | 12:04 |
| kanzure | (it's for "conceptual" design) | 12:04 |
| ncravens | which means? | 12:06 |
| kanzure | that the computer can't use the information to do anything useful... so don't confuse it with skdb. | 12:06 |
| CIA-31 | skdb: fenn * r db2d712 / (geom/geom.py unittests/test_geom.py): add Point((1,2,3)) | 12:23 |
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| kanzure | hello kroliczak | 12:47 |
| CIA-31 | skdb: fenn * r 12df8d4 /packages/lego/grammar.yaml: this was getting annoying | 13:02 |
| CIA-31 | skdb: fenn * r c50f774 / (geom/geom.py paths.py): implement show_interfaces(); playing around with order of transformations; added some keybindings | 13:02 |
| drazak | kanzure: so who is jake on diybio? | 13:26 |
| kanzure | not sure | 13:26 |
| drazak | he semms nice but a little bit of an ass | 13:27 |
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| kanzure | he's a biologist IIRC | 13:41 |
| kanzure | for some reason Misc/Misc.i and Visualization/Visualization.i doesn't exist in the latest pythonOCC revision | 14:00 |
| CIA-31 | skdb: fenn * r 588c463 /geom/geom.py: something goes horribly right when i use the wrong vector | 14:05 |
| fenn | it's almost worse when it works unexpectedly | 14:07 |
| kanzure | ok got it | 14:34 |
| kanzure | my string was wrong on the pythonocc notes for environment.py fixage | 14:34 |
| kanzure | debian users may need to make a correction in environment.py related to /usr/include to /usr/include/opencascade (search for the part in environment.py that says “Fill in this part with your own settings”) | 14:34 |
| kanzure | updated notes: http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/pythonocc | 14:39 |
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| CIA-31 | skdb: fenn * r 91124d4 /geom/geom.py: get rid of side effects in mate_connection | 15:49 |
| CIA-31 | skdb: fenn * r 0c9bdd8 /paths.py: i think this demonstrates a flaw in gp_Trsf.SetTransformation | 15:49 |
| any56289043 | Arntzen and colleagues used a genetically engineered plant virus called the tobacco mosaic virus to start their vaccine. | 15:51 |
| any56289043 | "We force it to make the protein which is the vaccine against norovirus," Arntzen told the news conference. "We call them nanoparticle vaccines because the protein we produce in our tobacco plant self-assembles into a little round ball." | 15:51 |
| CIA-31 | skdb: fenn * r 626f7fd /core/interface.py: print interface numbers | 15:59 |
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| fenn | kanzure: this is what i have in .bashrc: | 17:00 |
| fenn | HISTTIMEFORMAT="%k:%M " | 17:00 |
| fenn | HISTFILESIZE=1000000000 | 17:00 |
| fenn | HISTSIZE=1000000 | 17:00 |
| fenn | shopt -s histappend | 17:00 |
| kanzure | anyone know how to increase your buffer length in bash? | 17:27 |
| kanzure | for non-developers I can see the advantage to a short buffer | 17:27 |
| kanzure | and piping to less doesn't always work | 17:28 |
| kanzure | because of stderr, etc. etc. | 17:28 |
| kanzure | and sometimes you want to go back to previous command output, etc. | 17:28 |
| Phreedom | kanzure: bash? why not increase buf size in konsole? ;) | 17:38 |
| kanzure | well I would except for some reason I'm not using konsole *or* xterm | 17:39 |
| kanzure | for some reason my wm is gnome too | 17:39 |
| kanzure | I'm all screwed up :( | 17:39 |
| kanzure | victory! | 17:41 |
| kanzure | http://diybio.org/projects/ | 17:41 |
| * kanzure does a dance | 17:44 | |
| ybit | it looks like i may stop working at k-mart because some company in elgin, al will be hiring me. i don't know all the details, but if you have an idea for a product randomly, the purpose of the company is to make the product. they have a bunch of machining equipment is what i'm told, haven't been told everything they have but he mentioned something about a lathe, a mig welder, arc welder, and designing circuit boards and a little programming is all part | 18:10 |
| ybit | and they also have a second company in the same building, same people own it, they repair electric vehicles from the ~80s | 18:11 |
| * ybit is kind of happy and could do a dance as well | 18:12 | |
| ybit | computerized manufacturing process planning systems finished scanning sometime this week | 18:13 |
| ybit | +will be | 18:13 |
| drazak | kanzure: zomg your stuff made it onthere | 19:17 |
| ybit | that's cool, but where's the f' them attitude i've come to expect :) | 19:20 |
| * ybit doesn't see any mention of regulations for co2 | 19:23 | |
| kanzure | co2? | 19:26 |
| kanzure | oh | 19:27 |
| kanzure | ybit: well even if I did say fuck them, it's still nice to see it mentioned on there | 19:27 |
| kanzure | now if only I can convince them to let me make it dynamic content | 19:27 |
| ybit | firefox needs to have its history in a text file, not a db. | 19:28 |
| drazak | ybit: I've been saying that forever | 19:30 |
| drazak | it's not grepable | 19:30 |
| ybit | annoying when you are tunneled into a computer and can't do -X -Y tunneling either | 19:31 |
| ybit | trying to respond to eugen on diybio, but it's near impossible because there's no way i'm going to be able to replicate my searching patterns on this computer | 19:31 |
| kanzure | hm there's only 24 results for "international locust control organization" | 19:32 |
| ybit | there is no regulation of co2, but it's the drugs which are administered after surgery which have me slightly concerned.. that and i'm not sure co2 is the best agent to use | 19:32 |
| drazak | I need to figure out what's in the extracellular matrix of the heart | 19:32 |
| ybit | memories? :) | 19:33 |
| ybit | have you guys/gals ever read or saw interviews with people who have had heart transplants and speak of having memories from the previous heart's owner? | 19:34 |
| * nsh has read | 19:35 | |
| nsh | jesus, the configure script for openssh is endless... | 19:36 |
| kanzure | hi nsh | 19:37 |
| nsh | hey | 19:38 |
| nsh | ../includes.h:33: error: expected declaration specifiers or ‘...’ before string constant | 19:49 |
| nsh | is a sign that i'm missing a stdlib include, but which one? | 19:49 |
| drazak | ergh | 19:49 |
| ybit | via FCM) or actual parts used in past | 19:57 |
| ybit | fcm? | 19:58 |
| ybit | fuzzy cognitive map? :P | 19:58 |
| ybit | umr | 19:58 |
| ybit | uninitialized memory reads? | 19:58 |
| ybit | wikipedia seems to not have a clue either :) | 19:59 |
| * fenn reads http://hubpages.com/hub/Cellular-Memories-in-Organ-Transplant-Recipients | 19:59 | |
| fenn | reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Will_Fear_No_Evil | 20:00 |
| kanzure | humdrum! | 20:54 |
| fenn | bah | 20:54 |
| kanzure | that's going into the lexicon | 20:54 |
| fenn | just think, you could be digging in a field for ancient extraterrestrial visitors right now | 20:55 |
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| kanzure | hi genehacker | 21:24 |
| genehacker | beginning hivemind synchronization procedures | 21:24 |
| genehacker | hello kanzure | 21:25 |
| genehacker | I'm back | 21:25 |
| kanzure | why were you gone? | 21:25 |
| genehacker | I went to cozumel mexico and got dive certified | 21:26 |
| genehacker | tried to connect to hplusroadmap while I was down there but I couldn't | 21:27 |
| genehacker | either the software doesn't work on my ds or the internet was splotchy | 21:28 |
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| kanzure | fenn: gp_Ax3 only has gp_Ax3.SetXDirection and gp_Ax3.SetYDirection | 22:02 |
| kanzure | no SetZDirection | 22:03 |
| kanzure | gp_Ax3(gp_Ax2(gp_Pnt(x,y,z),gp_Dir(normal_x, normal_y, normal_z),gp_Dir(Vx_x,Vx_y,Vx_z))) <-- if you wanted to use a right-handed coordinate system and let OCC convert it to a left-hand (gp_Ax3) system | 22:07 |
| fenn | ax3 isn't left hand | 22:08 |
| fenn | (ax2 is i think) | 22:09 |
| kanzure | ax3 is definitely left handed | 22:09 |
| kanzure | it's in the docs | 22:09 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/doc/ReferenceDocumentation/FoundationClasses/html/classgp__Ax3.html | 22:10 |
| kanzure | "either or" | 22:10 |
| fenn | Unlike a gp_Ax2 coordinate system, a gp_Ax3 can be right-handed ("direct sense) or left-handed ("indirect sense"). | 22:10 |
| kanzure | wtf why do they use a carrot in their formulae? | 22:10 |
| kanzure | are they seriously taking an exponent? | 22:10 |
| fenn | you mean caret? | 22:10 |
| kanzure | I want to chew them down to size | 22:10 |
| fenn | cross product? | 22:11 |
| CIA-31 | skdb: kanzure * r cbc0554 /test_transformation.py: playing around with some tests for transformations, please ignore. gp_Ax2 versus gp_Ax3? etc. | 23:08 |
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