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katsmeow-afk | IBM’s approach of using DNA molecules as scaffolding -- where millions of carbon nanotubes could be deposited and self-assembled into precise patterns by sticking to the DNA molecules - may provide a way to reach sub-22 nm lithography. | 01:09 |
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kanzure | http://xkcd.com/624/ | 07:07 |
kanzure | "GitHub for Lesbians: Just because you can't get married doesn't mean you can't commit" | 07:07 |
kanzure | < mollusc> [mollusc@desktop ~]$ yum search cigars | 07:15 |
kanzure | < mollusc> Warning: No matches found for: cigars | 07:15 |
kanzure | < mollusc> However am I supposed to smoke my cigar now? :3 | 07:15 |
kanzure | < Kliment> rpmfind? | 07:15 |
any02554638 | http://xkcd.com/18/ can be taken a couple ways | 07:19 |
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drazak | kanzure: ping | 07:49 |
drazak | fenn: ping | 07:49 |
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kanzure | http://www.xkcdb.com/?2220 | 08:16 |
kanzure | drazak: pong | 08:16 |
kanzure | but I have to go, so screw you :) | 08:16 |
drazak | yeah, nevermind | 08:22 |
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CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r c3913a1 /test_transformation.py: a method for testing gp_Ax2 from an interactive session | 09:33 |
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fenn | apt-get install vnc4viewer xvnc4viewer | 10:03 |
fenn | vncserver | 10:03 |
fenn | xvnc4viewer | 10:03 |
fenn | edit .vnc/xstartup to point to your wm, i.e. icewm instead of twm (since twm isn't installed on ubuntu) | 10:04 |
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kanzure | added a feature request: http://bitbucket.org/bobf/bpython/issue/55/wx-threading-like-in-ipython | 10:14 |
kanzure | added an issue re: some ncurses crap in bpython: http://bitbucket.org/bobf/bpython/issue/54/parsing-introspection-ncurses-viewer-neglects | 10:14 |
kanzure | also added pgup/pgdown as a request: http://bitbucket.org/bobf/bpython/issue/56/scroll-up-down-in-buffer-doesnt-work | 10:16 |
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kanzure | fenn: that was vnc4server not vnc4viewer | 10:23 |
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fenn | pipes generator http://www.oyonale.com/modeles.php?lang=en&page=20 | 13:19 |
fenn | #macro MadPipe(rPipe,lPipe,nPipe,dPipe,box_container,box_hole,nDeco,sd,doFile,fn | 13:25 |
fenn | ame) | 13:26 |
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kanzure | window 18 | 13:39 |
kanzure | well I fail at life | 13:39 |
genehacker | huh what happened? | 13:43 |
drazak | kanzure: you do know taht you can do /win right? | 13:44 |
genehacker | using winblows? | 13:44 |
genehacker | try hitting the computer harder | 13:45 |
bkero | Bahaha http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00989689000P | 13:45 |
kanzure | drazak: yeah | 13:46 |
kanzure | genehacker: no | 13:46 |
kanzure | pythonOCC update to 0.3 .. might as well install that since I've been recompiling everything on my end anyway | 13:50 |
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fenn_adl | rawr | 13:54 |
kanzure | a wild fenn_adl appeared! | 13:54 |
kanzure | quick, blastoise! use hydropump | 13:54 |
* fenn_adl counters with smelly sock attack | 13:55 | |
ybit | it won't work, he's not suceptible to water | 13:55 |
kanzure | then we'll have to use an aether-type attack | 13:55 |
kanzure | maxwell! use pde-solve | 13:55 |
fenn_adl | so, as i'll be saying in approximately another 300 seconds: | 13:55 |
* kanzure rewrote fenn's existence | 13:55 | |
fenn_adl | this doesn't look so bad: <ArtifactFile ArtifactFileType="1" ArtifactFileExtension="10134" >vacuumframe1-FILE</ArtifactFile> | 13:55 |
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kanzure | fenn_adl: did you look at vacuumframe1-FILE on the adl box? | 13:56 |
fenn_adl | so why are they referencing external files in this .repo file? | 13:56 |
kanzure | they are not external | 13:56 |
kanzure | they are actually in the dot repo file | 13:56 |
fenn_adl | are they afraid of using a folder or something? | 13:56 |
kanzure | I wrote a script to extract files from the dot repo file | 13:56 |
kanzure | yeah apparently | 13:56 |
kanzure | honestly I don't know why they wanted to put the files in the xml file | 13:56 |
kanzure | and base64 encode them even | 13:56 |
kanzure | it makes it nearly impossible for me to get to the data | 13:56 |
kanzure | last year I had to write some base64 decoder by hacking the repositoryEntryApp | 13:57 |
kanzure | just to see how the fuck they encoded the data | 13:57 |
kanzure | so that I may have a chance of extracting the data | 13:57 |
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* kanzure doesn't remember whether or not he finished actually doing that | 13:57 | |
kanzure | at least I extracted the data | 13:57 |
kanzure | it's somewhere on davinci.. have fun I guess | 13:57 |
fenn_adl | vacuumframe1-FILE.10134 looks like ascii coded binary | 13:57 |
kanzure | path please | 13:58 |
kanzure | /home/bryan/lab/2008-10-13_newrepo/irobot_roomba/vacuumframe1-FILE.10134 ? | 13:58 |
fenn_adl | heh googling "10134" points to a lego kit | 13:58 |
fenn_adl | yes | 13:58 |
kanzure | are you sure that's not base64? | 13:58 |
fenn_adl | i dont care what you call it | 13:58 |
fenn_adl | it's some sort of binary coding in ascii | 13:58 |
kanzure | ok thought you were referencing some particular encoding scheme | 13:59 |
fenn_adl | so anyway what's the point of that? | 13:59 |
kanzure | of putting files into an xml file? | 13:59 |
fenn_adl | when they could just store the actual binary file | 13:59 |
fenn_adl | it's not in the xml file | 13:59 |
kanzure | you're looking at the xml files that I "cleaned" | 13:59 |
fenn_adl | huh? | 13:59 |
fenn_adl | the -FILE.* stuff is your work? | 14:00 |
kanzure | yes I extracted those from the xml files | 14:00 |
fenn_adl | oh. | 14:00 |
kanzure | this one should have the stuff in the XML: /home/bryan/lab/repo/irobot roomba.repo | 14:00 |
fenn_adl | i thought they had seen the light or something | 14:00 |
kanzure | no | 14:00 |
kanzure | er wait | 14:00 |
kanzure | that .repo file doesn't have it either | 14:00 |
kanzure | was there any external data for the roomba? | 14:00 |
kanzure | oh there it is | 14:01 |
kanzure | it's near the end (line 5180) | 14:01 |
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fenn_adl | ew that's all on one line | 14:01 |
kanzure | yes | 14:01 |
kanzure | 3990342 chars | 14:02 |
kanzure | somewhere my perl scripts are resting away | 14:03 |
kanzure | the ones that extracted the data from the repository | 14:03 |
kanzure | but honestly I'm not too interested in storing all of this binary data in a git repository | 14:04 |
kanzure | because it kind of totally misses the point | 14:04 |
kanzure | maybe storing them externally would be okay? | 14:04 |
fenn_adl | i dont understand xml | 14:04 |
kanzure | like, static content belongs at a static URI | 14:04 |
fenn_adl | why do you need to say color twice? <Color ColorName="black" /> | 14:04 |
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kanzure | fenn_adl: because these guys probably generated the XML from the database | 14:04 |
kanzure | and in the database table, I bet they have a table called Color | 14:04 |
kanzure | with a cell/column called "ColorName" | 14:04 |
kanzure | so when they dump the data to xml, they probably just use the column name as the attribute name in the XML element | 14:05 |
kanzure | nice to see you fenn | 14:05 |
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fenn_adl | /home/bryan/lab/2008-10-13_newrepo2/irobot_roomba | 14:30 |
kanzure | /home/bryan/lab/read_indices.pl | 14:31 |
kanzure | and make_pretty_3.pl | 14:31 |
kanzure | and make_pretty_2.pl | 14:31 |
kanzure | and extract_internal_repo_files.pl | 14:32 |
kanzure | also, I have no idea what this might be: base64decode.pl | 14:32 |
kanzure | huh these sound actually useful | 14:32 |
kanzure | extract_internal_repo_files.pl has some comments | 14:33 |
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kanzure | rob's repo stuff is now officially known as .. | 14:39 |
kanzure | uh | 14:39 |
kanzure | stonerepo | 14:39 |
kanzure | http://designengineeringlaboratory.org/ | 14:39 |
kanzure | delrepo | 14:40 |
kanzure | ok. | 14:40 |
kanzure | fenn_adl: can you talk to me in the channel instead? | 14:41 |
kanzure | hm vim was showing a <95> thingy that was really a single character | 14:42 |
kanzure | I think this is the source of the encoding errors in monodevelop in SearchIO.cs (in graphsynth, in case anybody else is wondering what svn repo I'm talking about) | 14:42 |
fenn_adl | glug | 14:45 |
fenn_adl | stuff in /home/bryan/lab is not part of any other project right? | 14:46 |
kanzure | um | 14:46 |
fenn_adl | erm. the del repo scripts at least | 14:46 |
kanzure | stuff in /home/bryan/lab/ has all sorts of crap | 14:46 |
fenn_adl | base64decode.pl and extract_internal_repo_files.pl etc | 14:46 |
kanzure | do you mean just those files? yes, just those perl scripts were only a part of this particular "XML dot repo file cleansing" project | 14:46 |
kanzure | you can move those into a subdir if you want | 14:47 |
kanzure | nothing else really calls them | 14:47 |
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kanzure | uh oh | 14:54 |
kanzure | where's the actual svn repository? | 14:54 |
kanzure | apparently /var/www/adl/ hasn't been updated since 2008-08-08 | 14:54 |
kanzure | and I'm fairly certain campbell has made some changes since then, right? | 14:54 |
fenn_adl | dunno | 14:54 |
kanzure | fenn_adl: see also unbase64_CDDs.sh | 14:54 |
fenn_adl | i think /var/www/adl is it | 14:55 |
kanzure | check the "svn log" on that or something | 14:55 |
kanzure | or "svn changelist" | 14:55 |
kanzure | or "svn info" | 14:55 |
kanzure | oops, svn changelist doesn't do what I thought it would, sorry | 14:56 |
CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r 86e22ca /import_tools/del_repo/readme: short explanation what these files are about | 14:56 |
CIA-32 | skdb: Bryan Bishop * r 20d9e80 /import_tools/del_repo/ (3 files): yay revision control | 14:56 |
fenn_adl | hah | 14:56 |
kanzure | how do I get the equivalent of "git log" in svn? | 14:57 |
fenn_adl | svn log | 14:57 |
kanzure | nope | 14:57 |
kanzure | just shows me the last three or something | 14:58 |
kanzure | and even then doesn't show anything descriptive | 14:58 |
kanzure | because campbell doesn't actually tell us what he's committing | 14:58 |
fenn_adl | r94 is current? | 14:58 |
kanzure | yes | 14:58 |
fenn_adl | 2009-08-20 14:53 transactions | 14:59 |
fenn_adl | that was in /var/www/adl | 14:59 |
kanzure | what? | 14:59 |
kanzure | okay looks good | 14:59 |
kanzure | but I would like to see the log though | 14:59 |
fenn_adl | /var/www/adl/db/transactions | 14:59 |
kanzure | just for seeing what he's been up to | 14:59 |
fenn_adl | what log? | 14:59 |
kanzure | there's no quivalent to "git log" ? | 14:59 |
fenn_adl | does campbell do commit messages? | 14:59 |
kanzure | not really | 14:59 |
kanzure | but maybe there's something like "git log -p"? | 15:00 |
kanzure | gah I have to be the only guy on the planet that is asking for git->svn instead of svn->git | 15:00 |
fenn_adl | svn log | 15:00 |
fenn_adl | fenn@adl.serveftp.org's password: | 15:00 |
fenn_adl | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | 15:00 |
fenn_adl | r94 | bryan | 2009-08-20 14:53:14 -0500 (Thu, 20 Aug 2009) | 1 line | 15:00 |
fenn_adl | make fundamental classes and interfaces compile under monodevelop under linux without WPF (added some preprocessor directives)-- this will break the compilation on Windows, but it is avoidable by doing some platform specific ifdef preprocessor directives that I completely don't know how to do. | 15:00 |
kanzure | yeah that's just the last few commits though | 15:00 |
fenn_adl | there's only 94 commits | 15:00 |
fenn_adl | mine goes all the way back to r1 | 15:00 |
kanzure | oh I have to do --incremental apparently | 15:00 |
kanzure | btw what's your svn version? | 15:00 |
kanzure | mine seems to be: svn, version 1.5.1 (r32289) | 15:01 |
fenn_adl | 1.5.4 | 15:01 |
kanzure | how is it that you're ahead of me on everything but you're not on experimental? or something | 15:01 |
fenn_adl | what's "non-incremental" log? | 15:01 |
kanzure | it's one that goes into the future (maybe) | 15:01 |
fenn_adl | this is ubuntu, which is typically ahead of debian stable but behind debian unstable | 15:01 |
fenn_adl | i'm not sure where testing is relative | 15:01 |
fenn_adl | to ubuntu* | 15:01 |
kanzure | bah, all this package wrangling is what package managers are supposed to be doing for me | 15:02 |
kanzure | and if not the manager software then at least the package maintainers | 15:02 |
fenn_adl | package wrangling? | 15:03 |
* fenn_adl reads m | 15:04 | |
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fenn_adl | s|m| http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/Debian | | 15:04 |
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fenn_adl | hmm @ http://lego.bldesign.org/LSculpt/ | 15:14 |
fenn_adl | that link is a must-see | 15:15 |
genehacker | kanzure do you have a nice attributes file format yet? | 15:19 |
genehacker | a nice file format that list out say voltage requirements and torque output for say a stepper motor | 15:20 |
genehacker | and other stuff like is said stepper motor corrosion resistant | 15:20 |
fenn_adl | wow the guy who wrote that is "at the University of California, Berkeley. I work in the Human Engineering Laboratory on the exoskeleton project." | 15:22 |
fenn_adl | and his personal lego models are pretty badass | 15:23 |
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kanzure | genehacker: yeah there is | 15:37 |
kanzure | genehacker: just tell me when you want to take a look at it | 15:43 |
kanzure | ldraw-parts-library-unix-complete.tgz | 15:44 |
kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/legos/ldraw-parts-library-unix-complete.tgz | 15:44 |
kanzure | fenn_adl: try /home/bryan/leocad-notes | 15:51 |
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kanzure | :%s/34//g | 16:01 |
kanzure | :%s/32//g | 16:01 |
kanzure | :%s/(34|32|36)//g | 16:01 |
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genehacker | I'd like to take a look | 16:19 |
genehacker | is it simple? | 16:19 |
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fenn | yo ho ho and a barrel of cats | 17:09 |
kanzure | no | 17:09 |
kanzure | no cats | 17:09 |
kanzure | genehacker: it's so simple it will make your mother weep | 17:09 |
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any08645351 | going to be severely weatherly here so going to disconnect awhile : http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=35201 | 17:22 |
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kanzure | http://heybryan.org/school/Physiology/01-04-07,%20Muscle%20Contraction.html | 17:45 |
kanzure | http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/anneal/www/matt3.gif | 17:49 |
kanzure | opie:Matthew Campbell:mc76@andrew.cmu.edu | 17:53 |
fenn_ | aha. seb kuzminsky http://highlab.com/family/2009.05.05.april/index.html | 17:56 |
fenn_ | seb's pictre reminded me of (xabier barandiaran) a debian maintainer(?) i met at an artificial life conference: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/72/167392239_2d9bff3501.jpg?v=0 | 18:01 |
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genehacker | speaking of artificial life | 18:05 |
kanzure | genehacker: ok, here's your link | 18:05 |
kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/packages/screw/metadata.yaml | 18:05 |
kanzure | see also: | 18:06 |
kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/packages/screw/ | 18:06 |
genehacker | I'm wondering what a search algorithm would find as an optimal space fighter design | 18:06 |
kanzure | space fighter? | 18:06 |
genehacker | yeah | 18:06 |
genehacker | a space fighter | 18:06 |
kanzure | like, "clutter it up! clutter it up!" | 18:06 |
kanzure | ? | 18:06 |
genehacker | perhaps it will find something with retractable radiators that looks like it has wings | 18:07 |
genehacker | after all thermal dissipation is a big problem in space | 18:07 |
genehacker | well it's not related | 18:07 |
genehacker | I like that file format | 18:08 |
genehacker | trying to figure out how I'd write one up for my stepper thing though | 18:08 |
genehacker | you might be able to extract dependencies from thingiverse if it ever takes off | 18:11 |
genehacker | now if you only had a nice gui for making templates we'd be set | 18:14 |
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kanzure | it was not obvious that "svn info" takes an argument (the file name) | 18:19 |
kanzure | and that it defaults to the current directory | 18:19 |
kanzure | so that was why I was seeing that the "last changed rev:" was so old | 18:20 |
fenn | genehacker: ah, you mean star wars designs aren't realistic enough for you? :) | 18:20 |
fenn | read "footfall" by niven+pournelle | 18:20 |
fenn | they have an orion ship with EMP-powered gamma ray laser fighters | 18:20 |
fenn | the aliens have high power solid state lasers and some kind of fusion rockets | 18:21 |
fenn | here is a drawing of it http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=977 | 18:23 |
fenn | the laser thingies were launched from tubes with steam pressure.. i think they were just cylinders about 1.5m diameter 10m long with the human in a little sphere on one end | 18:25 |
fenn | peroxide rockets | 18:26 |
fenn | must admit i'm skeptical about attaching a space shuttle to the side of it | 18:27 |
genehacker | yeah | 18:28 |
genehacker | I just finished a game with a spaceship that was semi-real | 18:29 |
genehacker | had wing things | 18:29 |
genehacker | so that gave me an idea of how to solve the radiator achilles heal | 18:30 |
genehacker | have retractable radiator fins that only open when firing | 18:30 |
fenn | there's a linux video game which obeys newtonian gravitation | 18:30 |
fenn | it's really fucking hard | 18:30 |
genehacker | what's it called | 18:31 |
fenn | everything we've been taught about spaceships has been a lie | 18:31 |
QuantumG | I'm doing some GA this morning for rocket guidance simulation | 18:31 |
genehacker | cool | 18:31 |
genehacker | yeah the game I played was 2d | 18:31 |
QuantumG | doesn't work real well, but I'm too lazy to learn how to do it myself | 18:32 |
genehacker | do you know PID control? | 18:32 |
genehacker | 10 year olds can learn how to program PID based control systems | 18:32 |
genehacker | I've seen it happen | 18:32 |
genehacker | fenn is that game 3d? | 18:33 |
genehacker | I'd really like to see a 3d space game that's reality based | 18:35 |
fenn | well i can't find it again | 18:37 |
fenn | it was 2d with really crappy graphics, i think the background was white | 18:37 |
fenn | might have been java based | 18:37 |
fenn | or maybe just sdl | 18:37 |
fenn | PID is hard to understand until you sit down and play with it | 18:38 |
genehacker | did it have triangular crafts and planets? | 18:38 |
genehacker | yeah | 18:38 |
fenn | it wasn't slingshot | 18:38 |
genehacker | just something I saw | 18:38 |
genehacker | yeah that's what rigidchips lets you do | 18:38 |
fenn | celestia has a realistic motion mode | 18:38 |
drazak | kanzure: who thefucksays paywall | 18:39 |
fenn | me | 18:39 |
fenn | what do you call it? | 18:39 |
fenn | "toll booth on the information superhighway"? | 18:40 |
fenn | more like highway robbery | 18:40 |
genehacker | heh | 18:42 |
genehacker | so what do we do when bandwidth is free? | 18:42 |
fenn | it is practically free | 18:43 |
genehacker | no | 18:43 |
fenn | as far as journal articles at least | 18:43 |
genehacker | when it is free | 18:43 |
fenn | you can download 500 journal articles in the time it takes you to sip your coffee | 18:43 |
genehacker | fast and free | 18:43 |
fenn | the wifi is free with the coffee | 18:43 |
fenn | so are you paying for the coffee or the bandwidth? | 18:43 |
genehacker | well per entertainment hour it's incredibly cheap | 18:44 |
genehacker | cheaper than drugs | 18:44 |
fenn | btw orionsarm.com has a lot of realistic space concepts | 18:45 |
genehacker | but I will not consider it free until it's fast enough for me to ship a telerobot with stereo cameras and manipulators across the pacific ocean to the austrailian outback and get the full experience of being there without being there | 18:47 |
genehacker | cool | 18:47 |
fenn | you drive a hard bargain | 18:47 |
genehacker | apparently 0.50 peso coins have an cycloidal pattern on there edges | 18:48 |
genehacker | they are almost cycloidal gears | 18:48 |
genehacker | oh wait just the pattern on the inside | 18:50 |
fenn | engine turning? | 18:56 |
genehacker | huh? | 18:56 |
fenn | http://www.cnccookbook.com/img/OthersProjects/Guilloche.jpg | 18:57 |
genehacker | yup | 18:58 |
genehacker | that's it | 18:58 |
genehacker | that cycloidal pattern around the side | 18:58 |
fenn | sorry i guess that's guilloche not engine turning | 18:59 |
fenn | i guess i was thinking 'rose engine turning' | 18:59 |
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kanzure | fenn: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/2008-10-13_newrepo.txt or /home/bryan/lab/2008-10-13_newrepo.txt | 20:52 |
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kanzure | jr;;p s[;ocer | 20:57 |
kanzure | hello splicer | 20:57 |
splicer | hi kanzure | 20:57 |
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kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/gp-ax2-test.txt | 21:29 |
kanzure | ok refresh | 21:36 |
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kanzure | ok yet another one | 21:48 |
kanzure | fenn: when it has no text for the result, it's a standard constructor error | 21:49 |
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genehackerclone | ugh | 23:19 |
genehackerclone | blue singularity of death windows error | 23:19 |
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ybit | 13:38 < drazak> kanzure: you do know taht you can do /win right? | 23:25 |
ybit | you can also make your own command such that /w represents /win so all you have to do is /w 18 | 23:26 |
ybit | katsmeow: you weathered teh storm with no damage? | 23:32 |
katsmeow | afaik | 23:33 |
katsmeow | i have not been outside to verify, it's all dark out there | 23:33 |
genehackerclone | heh | 23:42 |
genehackerclone | I can see storms in ohklahoma | 23:43 |
ybit | http://www.instructables.com/id/Easy-to-Build-Desk-Top-3-Axis-CNC-Milling-Machine/ just saw the video to this instructable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6drMZqmyXQc&feature=related | 23:48 |
ybit | </tweet>0 | 23:48 |
ybit | that's cool that you recieved a diving cert. genehackerclone, bet that was lots of fun | 23:49 |
* katsmeow looks jealous | 23:50 | |
ybit | http://www.instructables.com/id/My_30_Milling_Machine/ | 23:51 |
ybit | okay, i have to build something like this if it's only $30 | 23:51 |
ybit | sleepy time | 23:52 |
katsmeow | how does one take a heavy steel rod,a nd make it so it accepts milling bits at one end? | 23:53 |
katsmeow | bore it 1/2 inch, slot it, taper it, and put a collar over it to collapse it onto the bit's shank? | 23:53 |
fenn | drill a hole in the end and add a set screw? | 23:54 |
fenn | (that's what i did) | 23:54 |
katsmeow | surely that's not accurate enough | 23:55 |
fenn | accurate enough for what | 23:55 |
katsmeow | whatever people say it's not accurate enough for whatever i do with it | 23:55 |
fenn | it acted like a pneumatic piston when pushing the shank into the hole | 23:55 |
katsmeow | drill a vent hole :-) | 23:55 |
fenn | nah i was too entertained by it | 23:55 |
katsmeow | heh | 23:55 |
fenn | katsmeow: i step drilled it by 1/8"s and then one letter size under before a final pass with 3/8" bit (i have 3/8" shank end mills) | 23:57 |
katsmeow | what size was the shaft? | 23:59 |
fenn | 1.25 i think | 23:59 |
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