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| xp_prg | http://www.azcobiotech.com/instruments/polonator.php | 00:32 |
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| xp_prg | they are saying the software that runs this is opensouce | 00:32 |
| xp_prg | where can it be found? | 00:33 |
| bkero | "Open Source", "License Free" | 00:35 |
| bkero | These tools will be made available to the community. | 00:35 |
| xp_prg | yes where can I get them? | 00:35 |
| bkero | It comes with 2 Duo Core PCs with 3 TByes of Storage | 00:36 |
| bkero | lowest price = eleventy billion cents | 00:36 |
| xp_prg | o maintain his vision for an Open system, all of the source code for this software, fully commented, is freely downloadable so that others can further optimize it as well as develop tools for others to use. (See software for the link to the ftp site). | 00:36 |
| bkero | Probably have to email | 00:36 |
| bkero | J Adams (May 31st 2009, 10:00pm) | 00:37 |
| bkero | We are currently upgrading the user interface and working on data processing capabilities. | 00:37 |
| xp_prg | e are working on an update that will be available then, or shortly after. You can obtain the source code for the current release by visiting the Church Lab?s web-site at: | 00:38 |
| xp_prg | http://arep.med.harvard.edu | 00:38 |
| xp_prg | I don't see it readily on this site | 00:39 |
| bkero | What a terrible web site | 00:39 |
| xp_prg | found it! http://arep.med.harvard.edu/Polonator/soft.html | 00:40 |
| bkero | Wonder what kind of hardware you'd need to run these | 00:41 |
| xp_prg | they run on a pc | 00:41 |
| xp_prg | they also run on linux based on my understanding | 00:42 |
| bkero | I know they run on a PC | 00:42 |
| bkero | I'm wondering what hardware is attached to the PC | 00:42 |
| xp_prg | some kind of camera that takes a huge amount of pictures is all I know right now | 00:44 |
| xp_prg | I would love, love, love to know more! | 00:46 |
| xp_prg | it appears they are using flourescing tags | 00:46 |
| bkero | http://gizmodo.com/5348493/cooking-with-magnets-an-intro-to-induction | 00:47 |
| xp_prg | bkero concentrate on this, who cares about anything else! | 00:48 |
| bkero | xp_prg: You have no idea how many things I do at the same time. | 00:49 |
| xp_prg | well help to figure this out, this is majorly exciting to me!!!!!!!!!!!! | 00:50 |
| xp_prg | they are using a bunch of python! | 00:55 |
| xp_prg | this is way cool | 00:55 |
| xp_prg | http://www.polonator.org/ | 00:59 |
| xp_prg | tell me more of what they are describing here please | 00:59 |
| xp_prg | bkero what does this mean: http://www.polonator.org/faqs.aspx | 01:01 |
| xp_prg | bkero hello? | 01:03 |
| bkero | Yes? | 01:03 |
| xp_prg | are you reading this, explain stuff to me please!! :> | 01:03 |
| bkero | Afraid I probably know less than you. | 01:03 |
| xp_prg | can you pretend to know what they are saying? | 01:04 |
| bkero | I could, but I wouldn't be able to tell you anything useful. | 01:05 |
| xp_prg | no pretend I said | 01:07 |
| xp_prg | pretend to understand what they are saying here: http://www.polonator.org/flowcells.aspx | 01:07 |
| bkero | The flow cell has a lot of imaging area, efficiently uses reagents, and has good thermal conductivity so thermal cycling is faster... | 01:10 |
| bkero | It's got two channels for doing two runs at once | 01:11 |
| bkero | Just a giant grid of cameras | 01:11 |
| xp_prg | what do the channels do, what reaction is occurring? | 01:12 |
| xp_prg | it appears pcr is occurring | 01:12 |
| xp_prg | what are they copying? | 01:12 |
| bkero | Depends on what you put in it | 01:12 |
| xp_prg | it is doing some kind of analysis of DNA is all I know | 01:13 |
| bkero | It's just a bunch of cameras and a bunch of stuff to make reagents work well | 01:14 |
| bkero | Probably to capture the reaction of a reagent's affect on the cell | 01:15 |
| bkero | kanzure: Am I anywhere ballpark? | 01:15 |
| * bkero knows dick-all about biology. | 01:15 | |
| xp_prg | well I guess dna is put in there and the reagents do stuff to make the dna be seen? | 01:15 |
| xp_prg | I am going to the ICSB conference at Stanford Tomorrow | 01:34 |
| xp_prg | only 45.00 for the tutorials and workshops! | 01:35 |
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| ybit | http://www.zeva.com.au/tech.php | 02:17 |
| ybit | meh, not what i was thinking. | 02:20 |
| ybit | http://www.rowetel.com/ev.html is decent, and it has a few qcad files | 02:22 |
| ybit | CAD file of G102 Charade To Zibo motor Adaptor Plate http://www.rowetel.com/downloads/G102_adap_plate_v1b.dxf for example | 02:23 |
| ybit | blargh, those cad files weren't great. time for sleep. when i wake up, i expect to have have the skdb-get pancakes package available ;) | 02:37 |
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| kroliczak | hello, what can I do with http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/doc/BOMs/ultimate-tool-buying-guide.yaml ? | 03:44 |
| kroliczak | I have yaml module for Python installed | 03:44 |
| fenn | kroliczak: that was just a transcription of a Make magazine article.. it's not useful at all | 03:55 |
| fenn | if you want to load it into python do this: | 03:55 |
| fenn | import yaml; foo = yaml.load(open('ultimate-tool-buying-guide.yaml')) | 03:56 |
| fenn | i guess nobody has actually tried loading it into skdb yet | 03:58 |
| kroliczak | i have loaded it into python | 03:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | i disagree, i have never owned a ball peen hammer, but have several small sledgehammers | 04:01 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r 586cf5d /doc/BOMs/ultimate-tool-buying-guide.yaml: plus sign screws up range expression | 04:01 |
| fenn | katsmeow-afk: all these lists are hopelessly incomplete to the point of not being useful | 04:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | no wonder there's no soldering iron mentioned | 04:03 |
| katsmeow-afk | mig welder: level: extremely useful ; welding mask: level: can do without | 04:05 |
| fenn | yeah what a dumbass | 04:05 |
| fenn | especially to publish that in something like Make where people will actually believe it because they don't know any better | 04:05 |
| katsmeow-afk | i have 3 welding facemasks, you never know when you run ovr one and then haveto do welding | 04:05 |
| katsmeow-afk | what does BOM stand for? | 04:06 |
| fenn | bill of materials | 04:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | k | 04:06 |
| fenn | they were clogging up inventory/ but weren't actual inventories | 04:06 |
| * fenn wonders whether 'extremely useful' is more useful than 'priority' | 04:09 | |
| katsmeow-afk | make it even worse: absolutely required for rare events, elsewise totally useless | 04:11 |
| fenn | yeah this whole list sort of goes against the idea of skdb | 04:11 |
| fenn | you should have a list of activities and the tools they require | 04:11 |
| fenn | if some tool shows up in 95% of activities then it's a good idea to get one | 04:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | i agree | 04:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | carpenters seldome need tigs | 04:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | egine rebuilders seldome need tilting table saws | 04:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | everyone needs a soldering iron | 04:13 |
| fenn | i dunno about that | 04:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | i once had a 140w gun, 12watt micro, 25w "normal", 60w standard, and 120w huge roofing iron | 04:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | i had them, because i needed them at one time or another | 04:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | i wish i could find the gun now, i have the 25w and 60w on the bench atm, lost the 120w roofing iron | 04:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | the 12 was in the car and got wet and died | 04:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | anyhoo, bbl | 04:16 |
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| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r 46a96a1 /doc/BOMs/ultimate-tool-buying-guide.yaml: convert usefulness ratings to a numerical scale. this doesn't make it suck any less though. | 04:18 |
| fenn | kroliczak: how did you hear about skdb? | 04:19 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r 6395874 /doc/BOMs/ultimate-tool-buying-guide.yaml: put blame where blame is due :P | 04:20 |
| kroliczak | i have heard about skdb via one of Bryan's mailing-list posts and #openkollab | 04:22 |
| kroliczak | CIA-32: are you writing into skdb ? | 04:23 |
| fenn | CIA-32 is a bot that relays updates to SKDB to this IRC channel | 04:24 |
| fenn | i wish we had a tinyurl thingy in the message so you could just click on it to see the diff | 04:25 |
| fenn | you can see here for example what the last change was http://adl.serveftp.org/git/gitweb.cgi?p=skdb.git;a=commitdiff;h=6395874 | 04:26 |
| fenn | i added the line "maintainer: bryan bishop" | 04:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | can anyone contribute data for the yaml files? | 05:15 |
| fenn | you mean like the manufacturing process stuff? | 05:18 |
| fenn | or "can anyone" as in "who is allowed"? | 05:19 |
| fenn | the idea behind git is that anyone can make a clone and it's the maintainer's job to merge in changes from other contributors | 05:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | or if i can provide data, should i keep my mouth shut? | 05:19 |
| fenn | you can make a fork on github.com pretty easily | 05:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | well, i know you, sorta, i am here because of you (historically), so i was aiming to give you a paw | 05:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | err,hand | 05:20 |
| fenn | thanks | 05:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | i wasn't trying to butt in and become a "member" or anything | 05:20 |
| fenn | i've spent the last month or so on this: http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/lego_snapping.png http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/lego_snapping2.png http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/lego_snapping3.png | 05:21 |
| fenn | so that's probably why it seems like there hasn't been much getting done | 05:21 |
| fenn | anyway you don't have to be a "member" to make changes | 05:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | i wasn't judging anything, i know you been doing things | 05:22 |
| fenn | it would be nice if there were books out there with data in them already we could just copy verbatim | 05:22 |
| fenn | but it seems 99.999% of human knowledge is just plain text subjective descriptions | 05:23 |
| katsmeow-afk | and wildly different formats | 05:23 |
| fenn | right | 05:23 |
| fenn | apparently there are 40,000 peer reviewed research journals now | 05:23 |
| fenn | why we still don't have a de-facto "results" format is beyond me | 05:23 |
| Utopiah | ResearchML ? could use the MIT AI-lab format they used for their fake AI-paper-writing trick | 05:24 |
| fenn | Utopiah: but nobody uses it! | 05:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | i think that was the point behind xml , but i don't see that stanndardised either,, even "job title",, i must have a million listed in Tiggr | 05:24 |
| fenn | yeah even individual ontologies are not internally consistent | 05:25 |
| fenn | like this crap bryan just typed up (technical-devices.yaml) | 05:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | you want any of this sorta data ? | 05:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | BABBITTER (machine shop) 709.684-022 | 05:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | Baby Sitter (domestic ser.) 301.677-010 | 05:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | BABY-STROLLER AND WHEELCHAIR RENTAL CLERK (retail trade) 295.367-014 | 05:29 |
| fenn | no, thanks | 05:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | k | 05:31 |
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| katsmeow-afk | 53-6041.00Traffic TechniciansTechnologyTrafficware Sim Traffic43232604Computer aided design CAD software | 05:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | 53-6051.01Aviation InspectorsToolsAircraft Technical Publishers ATP Maintenance Planner25191503Integrated maintenance information systems | 05:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | 53-6051.01Aviation InspectorsToolsAngled feeler gauges41111617Feeler gauges | 05:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | ? | 05:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | 53-5021.03Pilots, ShipToolsWind gauges41114401Anemometers | 05:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | 53-5021.03Pilots, ShipTechnologyJeppesen Marine Nobeltec Admiral43232504Route navigation software | 05:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | 49-9044.00MillwrightsToolsWorkshop bench vises27112102Bench vises | 05:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | 49-9044.00MillwrightsTechnologyAutodesk AutoCAD software43232604Computer aided design CAD software | 05:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | 32573 lines like that | 05:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | 11-3021.00Computer and Information Systems ManagersPlan, direct, or coordinate activities in such fields as electronic data processing, information systems, systems analysis, and computer programming. | 05:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | jobs directory : 83Mbytes, 68 files | 05:54 |
| * katsmeow-afk stops browsing it and closes it | 05:54 | |
| fenn | there are endless lists of names of stuff, but nobody ever seems to actually explain what the stuff is or what it's good for | 05:59 |
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| any93601512 | erg | 06:02 |
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| CIA-32 | skdb: fenn * r fcc4049 /doc/technical-devices.yaml: make more hierarchical | 06:12 |
| fenn | this is pointless without pictures to go with it | 06:13 |
| fenn | i think most of these pictures are from patents so they're actually public domain | 06:13 |
| fenn | i'm not going to be the one to scan, crop, and label all 9000 of them | 06:14 |
| fenn | also one major bias to note is they mostly concentrate on mechanical things; i'm pretty sure that in 1971 they had more ways to measure time than stopwatch and pen recorder | 06:21 |
| fenn | vacuum tubes are much more fun to illustrate than semiconductor devices | 06:22 |
| fenn | likewise for rulers etc vs non-contact measurement | 06:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | umm,,, what format are the pic on, in relation to the data? | 06:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | ./TridionMutlimedia/ | 06:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | most common 7-word sentence in google : "an error occurred while processing this directive" | 06:55 |
| katsmeow-afk | most common 8-word sentence in google : "This site is best viewed with Internet Explorer" | 06:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | most common 6-word sentence in google : "Your browser doesn't support them" | 06:56 |
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| katsmeow-afk | some days it doesn't pay to steal a database: | 07:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | Contextually Similar Pages {...air tools...} | 07:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | o repairing tools | 07:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | o hand forged fireplace tools | 07:24 |
| katsmeow-afk | Contextually Similar Categories {...air tools...} : incinerator | 07:26 |
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| kanzure | heh I should rename skdb-get.py to gir.py... then we could say things like "GIR, make me a sandwich!" | 08:40 |
| kanzure | gir: http://www.waipahums.k12.hi.us/eportfolio05-06/wisportfolio05-06/team8d_portfolios/ty_christine_e_portfolio/images/InvaderZim-GIR4.jpg | 08:40 |
| kanzure | maybe a better description: http://www.designterrier.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Invader_Zim_by_Shadow_Raider02.jpg | 08:41 |
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| ybit | i second the name grr :) | 11:01 |
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| xp_prg | hi all, I am at the internation conference on systems biology! | 11:22 |
| xp_prg | international | 11:22 |
| kanzure | go away | 11:32 |
| kanzure | and stop sending me those emails like "I am in room 102" | 11:35 |
| kanzure | honestly I don't fucking care | 11:35 |
| xp_prg | I made code yesterday in biopython! http://code.google.com/p/pysynthbio/ | 11:45 |
| kanzure | doesn't look like it | 11:46 |
| kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/pysynthbio/source/browse/#svn/trunk | 11:46 |
| kanzure | nothing in there | 11:46 |
| kanzure | also that's not biopython | 11:46 |
| xp_prg | http://code.google.com/p/pysynthbio/source/browse/trunk/problem1/solution.py | 11:48 |
| kanzure | ok | 11:48 |
| xp_prg | http://code.google.com/p/pysynthbio/wiki/ProblemOne | 11:59 |
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| ybit | this probably needs to be put into skdb at some point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIA_Standards | 13:04 |
| ybit | or maybe not.. | 13:11 |
| kanzure | probably | 13:11 |
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| kanzure | todo: save assembly graph and reload in paths.py | 14:20 |
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| xp_prg | I am learning cell designer :> | 14:25 |
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| xp_prg | drazak you here? | 14:30 |
| kanzure | no go away | 14:46 |
| xp_prg | cell designer is cool! | 14:54 |
| xp_prg | kinetic reaction = reactants + modifiers => products | 14:55 |
| xp_prg | I created a protein catalyst reaction then put it in a cell compartment | 15:05 |
| xp_prg | now working on a complex | 15:05 |
| kanzure | does that mean you can leave now? | 15:06 |
| xp_prg | nope, got 4 more hours of tutorials | 15:08 |
| kanzure | no I mean leave this channel | 15:09 |
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| kanzure | hey embraceunity | 15:10 |
| embraceunity | hi | 15:10 |
| xp_prg | http://www.yeastgenome.org/cgi-bin/locus.fpl?locus=YHR023W | 15:11 |
| xp_prg | cell designer can search databases as well | 15:11 |
| kanzure | we already know this | 15:11 |
| kanzure | go away | 15:11 |
| xp_prg | do you use cell designer?! | 15:11 |
| kanzure | used it last year | 15:11 |
| kanzure | now piss off | 15:11 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXFnd32egRM | 15:43 |
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| kanzure | not sure how to wrap TopoDS_Shape | 16:29 |
| kanzure | since the constructor takes no arguments | 16:30 |
| kanzure | maybe copying the __dict__ of a TopoDS_Shape object is enough? | 16:31 |
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| genehacker | hello davidnunez | 16:32 |
| genehacker | didn't you say you could do medical tests with PCR? | 16:33 |
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| kanzure | ann arbor maker faire images from the reprap-mi group: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dugsong/sets/72157622053470559/ | 17:43 |
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| kanzure | http://givenimaging.com/ | 18:35 |
| xp_prg | how much is one of those? | 18:44 |
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| genehacker | this is odd | 19:08 |
| any17863947 | we knew that | 19:09 |
| genehacker | there is nothing even resembling or as big as a book in the books folder for the proprietary textbook thing | 19:09 |
| genehacker | now this is downright creepy | 19:16 |
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| genehacker | heh | 19:46 |
| genehacker | I found the proprietary book format | 19:46 |
| genehacker | I found my textbook woo! | 19:46 |
| fenn | you still lose | 19:52 |
| genehacker | Abstract | 19:54 |
| genehacker | A system for providing digital rights management of protected content includes a client and a DRM manager. The client is capable of receiving at least one piece of content, the piece(s) of content being encrypted with at least one encryption key regardless of client user(s) authorized to access the piece(s) of encrypted content. To facilitate the client accessing one or more of the piece(s)... | 19:54 |
| genehacker | ...of content, the DRM manager is capable of transferring the encryption key(s) to the client, the encryption key(s) being encrypted with a private key of a public key/private key pair unique to a client user associated with the client. The client can thereafter decrypt the encryption key(s) using the public key of the public key/private key pair unique to the client user. Then, the client... | 19:54 |
| genehacker | ...can decrypt the piece(s) of content using the decrypted encryption key(s), and access the decrypted piece(s) of content. | 19:54 |
| genehacker | yeah I still do | 19:54 |
| genehacker | found the patent | 19:54 |
| genehacker | it's rather confusing | 19:55 |
| genehacker | I wonder if I could crack it | 19:55 |
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| genehacker | I mean I know some of the message | 19:57 |
| genehacker | as I can read the text and copy it out | 19:57 |
| genehacker | is there anyway I can see what my computer is doing when decrypting the book? | 19:58 |
| genehacker | maybe I should just wrangle me some compsci's | 20:00 |
| kanzure | gearotica | 20:12 |
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| genehacker | let me guess | 20:16 |
| genehacker | HOT MESHING ACTION! | 20:16 |
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