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| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r 56651f8 /import_tools/surf.py: o hai. just some stl2cad code. dont use it. | 00:08 |
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| * kanzure considers using python-cluster | 00:49 | |
| kanzure | wget http://sourceforge.net/projects/python-cluster/files/python-cluster/1.1.1b3/cluster-1.1.1b3.linux-i686.tar.gz/download | 00:49 |
| kanzure | oh scipy already implements that | 00:49 |
| kanzure | http://hackmap.blogspot.com/2007/09/k-means-clustering-in-scipy.html | 00:51 |
| genehacker | http://hci.stanford.edu/winograd/shrdlu/ | 01:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | they still working on shrdlu ? | 01:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | it's amasing that so long ago they had a code base that could answer questions like that, and no one has done better since? | 01:04 |
| genehacker | strange | 01:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | i do recall in the early 80's a computer program in Fla decided a dictator of a small country was a lot like a strict male parent of a human family,, and a couple years later, all data about it disappeared | 01:11 |
| genehacker | huh? | 01:14 |
| genehacker | I recall seeing a picture of a tiny submarine in a bloodvessel, it didn't work but I can' | 01:15 |
| genehacker | t find any documentation of it today | 01:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | huh? | 01:16 |
| genehacker | definately sounds cool | 01:16 |
| genehacker | though | 01:16 |
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| kanzure | black out :( | 05:53 |
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| kanzure | http://cadcamcae.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Outbound&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.linuxcnc.org%2Fcgi-bin%2Femcinfo.pl%3FList_Of_CAM_References | 09:12 |
| kanzure | http://cadcamcae.wikia.com/wiki/CallToAction | 09:12 |
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| katsmeow-afk | http://www.freebookspot.in/Books-Changeable%20and%20Reconfigurable%20Manufacturing%20Systems%20(Springer%20Series%20in%20Advanced%20Manufacturing).htm | 10:21 |
| kanzure | neat I found an IGES/VTK viewer built with OCC | 10:32 |
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| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/urls.txt | 11:33 |
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| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/urls.txt | 11:34 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/employees | 11:36 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/machines | 11:36 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/paths | 11:36 |
| fenn | Nizhny Novgorod region | 11:45 |
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| fenn_adl | i suppose i should fetch those papers on the linuxcnc wiki while i have paywall access | 11:55 |
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| fenn | is there a preferred way to access a paper in the form of "doi:10.1016/S0010-4485(97)00033-X" besides just constructing the url? | 12:29 |
| fenn | "Lee et al." sure writes a lot of papers | 12:34 |
| kanzure | fear the security? http://projects.opencascade.org//cgi-bin/secureippop/foo.txt | 12:35 |
| kanzure | fenn: there's a doi resolver out there | 12:35 |
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| fenn | you'd think someone would publish the sequal to "simulation of linearly moving tools" ("simulation of circularly moving tools") in the same journal, but no.. | 12:40 |
| fenn | it's in some other journal i don't have access to | 12:40 |
| fenn | IEEE bastards | 12:41 |
| fenn | can anyone give a simple 1 sentence explanation what a convolution is? | 13:07 |
| kanzure | http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:7y5earZ8-_kJ:lwn.net/1999/1209/bigpage.php3+matra+datavision+cvs&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=iceweasel-a | 13:08 |
| kanzure | $75 million for Cascade development? | 13:08 |
| kanzure | fenn: adl.serveftp.org has ieee access | 13:09 |
| fenn | apparently not | 13:09 |
| kanzure | if not then me.utexas.edu will have access | 13:09 |
| fenn | uh. not sure what you mean by that | 13:10 |
| fenn | can you get some papers for me? | 13:10 |
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| kanzure | yes | 13:10 |
| fenn | Maeng et al. (2004) "A fast NC simulation method for circularly moving tools in the Z-map environment", IEEE Proceedings of the Geometric Modeling and Processing 2004 (GMP’04) | 13:10 |
| kanzure | the ieee link would be nice | 13:10 |
| kanzure | oh man. ancient: http://web.archive.org/web/19961231061423/http://www.matra-datavision.com/ | 13:11 |
| fenn | well i suppose that's where i'm going wrong (the link) is this it? http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=977773 | 13:12 |
| kanzure | no | 13:13 |
| kanzure | ieee xplore is probably hosting it | 13:13 |
| fenn | also this one, which had a preprint online but links seems to be dead: Dragomatz and Mann, "A Classified Bibliography of Literture on NC Tool Path Generation", CAD 29(3), 1997 | 13:13 |
| kanzure | .. somewhere | 13:13 |
| fenn | does UT not have IEEE Xplore subscription? | 13:15 |
| fenn | aha.. this animated gif demonstrates convolution pretty well http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Convolution.html | 13:21 |
| kanzure | fenn: ut does, but it is sometimes not accessible through ezproxy | 13:23 |
| fenn | i'm not using ezproxy | 13:23 |
| kanzure | and sometimes me.utexas.edu has more access than students | 13:23 |
| fenn | i'm using minsky | 13:23 |
| kanzure | me.utexas.edu has more access than adl.serveftp.org | 13:23 |
| fenn | i don't have access to me.utexas.edu? | 13:23 |
| kanzure | right | 13:23 |
| kanzure | guess I could log in for you if you want | 13:24 |
| fenn | it's not a big deal, i'm just annoyed on principle | 13:24 |
| fenn | wow finally i know how "gaussian blur" works | 13:25 |
| drazak | kanzure: could you setup an ssh-proxy between me.utexas.edu and adl.serveftp.org? ssh -D8084 kanzure@me.utexas.edu | 13:35 |
| * fenn reads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probabilistic_context-free_grammar | 13:43 | |
| fenn | somehow i got here from deconvolution | 13:43 |
| fenn | (expectation maximization algorithms) | 13:44 |
| fenn | it's really amazing how much statistics they never bothered to even mention in statistics class | 13:50 |
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| kanzure | OCC 6.2 build fixes and patches http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~kraftche/OCC/patches.html | 15:16 |
| fenn | hey ybit wanna weld me up one of these? http://www.tflex.com/design/examples/exsa3_big.jpg | 15:32 |
| fenn | also you will want to anneal it for a few days afterward | 15:32 |
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| genehacker | blackout? | 15:57 |
| genehacker | power blackout? | 15:58 |
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| genehacker | So what's wrong with this statement: | 16:15 |
| genehacker | There are, however, a number of reasons for thinking that Blue Brain will not succeed, at least not in reproducing all of the brain's myriad faculties. One of these concerns what some scientists regard to be an inherent limitation of digital computers. In 1931, Austrian mathematician Kurt Gödel showed that complex mathematical systems contain statements that cannot be proved within the formalism of mathematics, even tho | 16:16 |
| genehacker | uh-oh | 16:17 |
| genehacker | article goes weird after this and is in dallas morning news | 16:19 |
| genehacker | nvm no big deal | 16:19 |
| fenn | godel is just about proving self consistency, which isn't strictly necessary for most things | 16:30 |
| genehacker | also there was a proof that showed neural networks can be taken as turing machines | 16:31 |
| genehacker | http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/points/stories/DN-cartlidge_13edi.State.Edition1.2fd8da9.html | 16:31 |
| genehacker | from this article here | 16:31 |
| ybit | thanks for http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~kraftche/OCC/patches.html kanzure | 16:39 |
| ybit | grr, no hilighted messages.. didn't see your message fenn, or i would have the machine on the spot ;) | 16:40 |
| ybit | s/have/weld | 16:41 |
| kanzure | "The stack can be smashed. Alexander Yurchenko <grange@rt.mipt.ru> wrote a | 17:03 |
| kanzure | proof of concept exploit for OpenBSD to demonstrate that arbitrary code could | 17:03 |
| kanzure | be executed through ".htaccess" files. | 17:03 |
| kanzure | " | 17:03 |
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| kanzure | http://nonifier.ovh.org/bezier/surface_bezier.gif | 17:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | [offtopic] On http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/directron_2069_41921581 | 17:28 |
| katsmeow-afk | My pci slots on the motherboard don't have two keys like that card has slots. Mine are only one key. Is this a new pinout, or did they eliminate a set of pins on the edge connector for reasons of their own, and this will still work in my computers? | 17:28 |
| kanzure | query: opencascade %7E | 17:31 |
| kanzure | result: fenn.freeshell.org/bookmarks-09-20-08.adr | 17:31 |
| drazak | if it fits, and your computer posts, then it probably works | 17:31 |
| kanzure | get out of my search results >:( | 17:31 |
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| QuantumG | kanzure: http://www.philosophy.ox.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/3853/brain-emulation-roadmap-report.pdf got that one? | 17:32 |
| drazak | kanzure: is pyscholar working? | 17:32 |
| kanzure | no, it isn't | 17:32 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: somewhere. you want? | 17:32 |
| kanzure | is that the bostrom roadmap with anders? | 17:32 |
| QuantumG | nah, its all there | 17:32 |
| QuantumG | yep | 17:33 |
| QuantumG | any good? | 17:33 |
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| kanzure | I only glanced at it | 17:33 |
| kanzure | I thought it would be shit because bostrom was involved | 17:33 |
| kanzure | but it actually looked like it had a chance | 17:34 |
| QuantumG | Every time I hear Kurzweil talk he mentions all this great "brain scanning" research that is going on, then provides no references. One particular thing he says a lot is functional decomposition of the brain and how non-biologically plausible emulation of those functional centers can reduce the computational requirements of whole brain emulation. Yet I've seen no research on *that*. | 17:38 |
| * katsmeow-afk wrote off Kurzweil as not doing anything new, he merely does a news feed on his site now | 17:38 | |
| kanzure | what happened was that sometime in 2000 kurzweil read a few mailing lists and documented everyone's work | 17:39 |
| kanzure | if you read through the references in his books, they are basically all of the usual suspects that are still on the mailing lists | 17:39 |
| * katsmeow-afk nods | 17:39 | |
| genehacker | hehehe I think you forgot the he wrote a book part | 17:39 |
| kanzure | not really | 17:39 |
| kanzure | copy-pasta | 17:39 |
| QuantumG | I wrote him off around the time he started a hedge fund :) | 17:39 |
| genehacker | I think only one place is doing brain scanning and that would be that aggies | 17:39 |
| QuantumG | and now a "university" that is more like a church. | 17:40 |
| genehacker | THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH OF SAUNT KURZWEIL | 17:40 |
| fenn | the latest in agricultural technology: http://englishrussia.com/?p=2033 | 17:41 |
| genehacker | sigh | 17:42 |
| genehacker | people are cheaper than robots | 17:42 |
| genehacker | I can't wait till the opposite is true | 17:42 |
| fenn | whoare "the usual suspects" re: kurzweil sources | 17:45 |
| fenn | s/whoare/who are/ (no pun intended) | 17:45 |
| genehacker | who are kurzweil's mysterious hidden sources? | 17:49 |
| kanzure | http://pdesinc.aticorp.org/whatsnew/recprac209v1a.pdf <-- ap209 recommended practices | 17:51 |
| fenn | context please | 17:51 |
| kanzure | fenn: eli, eugene, anders, lee corbin, damien broderick, .. | 17:52 |
| kanzure | ap209 is stpe | 17:52 |
| kanzure | *step | 17:52 |
| fenn | oh | 17:52 |
| fenn | ... and what am i supposed to do with this file? | 17:53 |
| kanzure | nothing since you already have a step importer | 17:53 |
| fenn | ok just checking | 17:53 |
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| kanzure | guhr? http://opencascade.com//ex/att/92_Fan.brep | 17:54 |
| fenn | that's not what i expected a .brep to look like | 17:55 |
| fenn | actually OCC doesn't do AP209 | 17:57 |
| fenn | 209 is product data (like skdb metadata sorta) | 17:57 |
| fenn | maybe this is worth reading after all | 17:59 |
| fenn | it does seem sort of haphazard | 18:00 |
| fenn | for instance "product category" can be "assembly", "cast", "machined", "linear_static_analysis" | 18:02 |
| genehacker | kanzure can heekscad read .stl? | 18:05 |
| fenn | yes | 18:06 |
| genehacker | sweet | 18:06 |
| fenn | i bet it is slow for complex models though | 18:06 |
| genehacker | that's ok | 18:07 |
| genehacker | I just need to see a general shape | 18:07 |
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| ybit | _only_ 100k for a car crusher | 19:47 |
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| ybit | according to howstuffworks, $30k for an older model | 19:53 |
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| ybit | anyone familiar with these processes of recyclying vehicles? | 19:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | barely | 20:04 |
| katsmeow-afk | what part? | 20:04 |
| katsmeow-afk | car crusher: 8ft x 16ft 2 inch plate steel , apply repeatedly from altitude until the vehicle has assumed the requisite dimensions | 20:06 |
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| katsmeow-afk | some cut the frame the engine sits on, selling the engine and tranny to a reseller, some cut the rear spring shackels to resell the diferential if a rear wheel drive | 20:07 |
| katsmeow-afk | if the doors are in high demand, either cut the hinges, or unbolt them | 20:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | remove anyting else needed, a la chop shop | 20:08 |
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| katsmeow-afk | cause whatever is left to assume the smallest size convienent for shipping to a place which will drop it into a big chipper (like a log chipper, only heaver), or a gawdawefull compressor | 20:09 |
| katsmeow-afk | as opposed to a normal affordable compressor | 20:09 |
| katsmeow-afk | gas tanks must be removed, they have been known to explode at inconvienent times during the recycling | 20:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | some metals, like platinum in the convertors, or aluminum pistons, heads, blocks, tranny housings, are usually worth pulling for separate recycling | 20:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | some places put entire engines into aluminum pots and screen out the steel bits when they pour the molten al out | 20:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | if the engine and tranny and differential are removed, the gawdawefull masher will reduce a car or pu truck to a 2x2x2 block | 20:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | a regular masher is top-down only, making the vehicle more vertically challenged, to short to get into, otherwise same dimensions | 20:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | in poor neighborhoods, steel belted tires are saved, the tires are burned in large fires, the steel belts sold as scrap,, these fires must be cool, not hot, and therefore massively smokey, else the steel will oxidize away in the fire | 20:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | for the olde C2, C3, C4, FMX, etc big trannies, a lot of people will stand them up onthebell housing,and whack the output shaft with a sledge hammer or drophammer, busting all the insides out the front end, pouring the tranny fluid into the ground | 20:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | if the wire is yanked from the vehickle to recycle the copper separately, the wire is also put in a fire to burnthe insulation off | 20:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | brass or aluminum radiators or ac coils are salvaged often, and melted down | 20:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | carburators are removed with a sledgehammer and melted | 20:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | it's a dirty and cruel business | 20:20 |
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| * katsmeow-afk has witnessed this cruelty :-(.. | 20:22 | |
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| ybit | http://www.eshield.net/ ... | 20:36 |
| ybit | just thinking of ways to reduce energy costs | 20:38 |
| ybit | heated tile or concrete floors is another | 20:38 |
| ybit | eshield or insulating foam.. | 20:38 |
| katsmeow-afk | who are you talking to? | 20:39 |
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| ybit | someone had mentioned heat shields as a way to reduce energy costs | 20:39 |
| ybit | anyone who happends to comment on this babble :P | 20:39 |
| ybit | maybe this should be in #hackerspaces since it's all for building a hackerspace | 20:39 |
| katsmeow-afk | http://www.eshield.net/ is bs, they deal only in radiant heat, and won't deal with convective | 20:40 |
| katsmeow-afk | use closed cell foamif you can, or high density cotton or fiberglass | 20:40 |
| ybit | alternative to searchirc: http://irc.netsplit.de/ | 20:41 |
| katsmeow-afk | insulation can pay for itself, i can heat this room for weeks with no other heat input, keeing it above 72F 24hrs/day , with 2 kerosene lamps on low, or one single burner propane lamp on medium | 20:41 |
| katsmeow-afk | that's when some 24hrperiod don't get above 32 outside | 20:42 |
| ybit | one of the things i've been doing today is figuring out the cost to build such a facility as outlined yesterday | 20:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | what about the "paying forit" part? | 20:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | got $millions ? | 20:43 |
| ybit | the land isn't flat, so we'd have to build it up. that's not a problem, you get concrete companies that need a place to get rid of concrete to come and dump it there, it would probably take 2 years for them to make the land which isn't flat (~12 acres) level with the road | 20:44 |
| ybit | probably looking at initially a $300k profit each year | 20:44 |
| ybit | $200k at the min. | 20:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | who is going to profit by dumping concrete during a housing slump? | 20:45 |
| ybit | no i'm talking about running the junkyard and purifying alluminum, and selling other metals | 20:45 |
| kanzure | selling to who? | 20:46 |
| ybit | kanzure: i have no clue | 20:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | if you keep on top ofit, yeas, but if you hold the metals, and the bottm drops, you find you paid more for the scrap than you can sell the refined metals | 20:46 |
| kanzure | then where is all that profit coming from? | 20:46 |
| kanzure | sorry, I must not understand math | 20:46 |
| ybit | :P | 20:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | and,itis seriously dirty business in all ways, you will meet drunkards, theives, scam artists, etc | 20:47 |
| ybit | this is coming from dad who has worked it for several years | 20:47 |
| katsmeow-afk | and you are liable for environemntal cleanup | 20:47 |
| katsmeow-afk | people will sell you aluminum cans with dirt in them | 20:48 |
| katsmeow-afk | they'll sell you cars they don't own, with gas tanks full of water,,and you'll pay steel prices for that water and deal with the cops the next day over th stolen car | 20:49 |
| ybit | recently my grandfather became sick, he wasn't running the business like it should be, he was expecting to die or something, i dunno... but it wasn't ran like it should be (see the junkyard right beside for an example of a somewhat better system), anyway, my dad and i are considering re-opening the place, and i want it to become a place for working with metal, rebuilding engines, and eventually doing what i'm doing right now, which is designing and fab | 20:49 |
| ybit | i want it to be a hackerspace where anyone can come in and build whatever the heck they want | 20:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | you'llhear of a massive generator theft, or ac unit theft, and the next day you get al this copper and aluminum, and you'll buy it and keep your mounth shut or they'll burn your business | 20:50 |
| ybit | i don't doubt that | 20:51 |
| ybit | i've heard several stories from my grandfather | 20:51 |
| ybit | he wasn't the cleanest businessman when he started off | 20:52 |
| ybit | anyway, this is only one of several things i've been thinking about | 20:52 |
| katsmeow-afk | k, as long as you know it isn';t glamourous and won't attract decent women,, altho you could prolly pimp hookers there too | 20:53 |
| ybit | lol | 20:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | if you are on a railroad line, yu could prolly scrap railroad cars and engines, lots of metals and heavy equipment there , but you'll need dedicated heavy demolition tools too | 20:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | 1000's hp diesels, 1000's hp electric motors, etc | 20:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | i picked up a couple camshaft drive gears fromone, each *camshaft* gear is 5x the weight , and are bigger than, the *flywheel* on my 350 truck engine | 20:58 |
| kanzure | ybit: fenn and I were planning these modular deconstructable pieces for the warehouse | 20:59 |
| kanzure | i think you shouldn't get yourself rooted down to one location | 20:59 |
| kanzure | to be honest you're not much help being somewhere else | 21:00 |
| kanzure | especially since we all share essentially the same ideas | 21:00 |
| kanzure | no reason to not also share tools and other stuff. | 21:00 |
| ybit | so come here? :) | 21:00 |
| * katsmeow-afk pats out the burns on the ybit | 21:01 | |
| ybit | :P | 21:01 |
| kanzure | well we should go where the support is | 21:01 |
| kanzure | los angeles was looking like a good target | 21:01 |
| kanzure | but at the moment I'm very confused about the status of that gig | 21:01 |
| kanzure | jata hasn't been online in weeks, so it's unusual | 21:02 |
| ybit | imo, hackerspaces have the potential for being the next big thing in manufacturing.. hackerspaces + skdb | 21:02 |
| kanzure | to be honest I haven't seen a hackerspace doing anything particularly well | 21:02 |
| kanzure | ieee electrical engineers have better electronics workbenches than hackerspaces in most cases | 21:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | but how many where you are will invest in it there, or pay to be part of it, ybit? | 21:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas, tools tend to walk off | 21:03 |
| kanzure | the point that alex lightman was originally trying to make was that there are a number of similar initiatives on the web that kind of need the same backend tools in order to happen | 21:04 |
| kanzure | imho if he is still interested in funding us, I say take it | 21:04 |
| katsmeow-afk | my stepfather would goto a hobby shop for the sole reason to steal tools | 21:04 |
| ybit | not everyone can afford to have large machines at their place, until there's a matter compiler, people will need access to these machines | 21:05 |
| kanzure | I don't think the "access" model works | 21:06 |
| ybit | please explain | 21:06 |
| kanzure | the reason why the philanthropy model works is because it's a protective bubble against civilization's bullshit while we fix it | 21:06 |
| ybit | and what's with you capitlizing your "I's" ;) | 21:06 |
| kanzure | that's a good question | 21:07 |
| kanzure | I can't seem to make up my mind | 21:07 |
| ybit | if someone complains about lower-case, tell them to write a script and be quiet | 21:08 |
| ybit | when you say access model...? | 21:09 |
| ybit | what are you saying exactly, businesses? | 21:09 |
| ybit | philantrhopy == hackerspaces | 21:09 |
| ybit | i'm guessing | 21:09 |
| kanzure | where you have an allocation model and the livelihood of the overall kernel (the infrastructure, system, etc.) depends on people being happy with the allocation schedule | 21:09 |
| kanzure | when in fact it may be computationally impossible to make them all happy due to how many of them there are | 21:09 |
| ybit | so eliminate the jews already ;) | 21:09 |
| kanzure | it shouldn't be about making them happy, it should be about you doing what you need to do | 21:09 |
| kanzure | meanwhile if you try to do a business on your own, mission integrity can easily be compromised by current civilization bullshit | 21:12 |
| kanzure | maintain coherence of vision. | 21:13 |
| ybit | what's the plan to remove the occ dependencies or at least to bundle everything into a nice package for skdb? | 21:13 |
| * ybit wants kanzure to define civilization bullshit or at least give just a few examples | 21:14 | |
| katsmeow-afk | civilization bullshit = you can't do that here | 21:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | civilization bullshit = we think you are trying to make robots take over th w orld | 21:15 |
| kanzure | wait, aren't we? | 21:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | civilization bullshit = stock market crashed, there's no money to hack in your space | 21:15 |
| ybit | okay, on the same page | 21:16 |
| kanzure | civilization bullshit means, rent. | 21:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | civilization bullshit = new sewagetreatment plant next door to you | 21:16 |
| ybit | hmm, metacurrency might fix that | 21:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | well, ybit's dad owns that place, no rent | 21:16 |
| kanzure | how about no currency | 21:17 |
| ybit | hey! i have rent... | 21:17 |
| ybit | that they save for me... | 21:17 |
| katsmeow-afk | suuurrree they do | 21:17 |
| ybit | hehe | 21:17 |
| ybit | so i'm told, at least i'm happy with the "allocation schedule" here :P | 21:18 |
| kanzure | until you're not, and then it's too late | 21:18 |
| ybit | *cough*buzzkill*cough* ;) | 21:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | life is a buzz kill | 21:19 |
| ybit | wow, i now know why i take anti-depressants, it's because i hang in here too much :P | 21:19 |
| kanzure | what the fuck man? | 21:20 |
| kanzure | we're kicking ass. (sort of) | 21:20 |
| kanzure | relatively I mean :) | 21:21 |
| katsmeow-afk | can i have some of them? | 21:21 |
| bkero | Bahaha, http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/kotaku/full/~3/CGI7ZZWRZdI/a-post+apocalyptic-marriage-proposal | 21:21 |
| ybit | they are just tiding me along until adrafanil lands in the mailbox sometime in the next few days | 21:21 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: i have about 5 left | 21:22 |
| ybit | they are only 10mg | 21:22 |
| ybit | each | 21:22 |
| * katsmeow-afk looks for a source | 21:23 | |
| ybit | get on a boath and make some already katsmeow-afk | 21:27 |
| ybit | boat* | 21:27 |
| bkero | Boats? | 21:27 |
| ybit | bkero: katsmeow-afk is planning on making a hovercraft iirc | 21:27 |
| bkero | Sweet | 21:27 |
| bkero | What powerplant? | 21:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | hover assist, not a normal condition | 21:27 |
| ybit | Phreedom plans on it as well | 21:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | hover is way down the line, i don't plan on launcing th eboat with a hover system in place | 21:28 |
| bkero | I wonder how feasable it would be to get a lot of magnets over my body and levitate myself in a chamber with a gigantic electromagnet on the bottom | 21:28 |
| katsmeow-afk | be aheck of a way to get unbeached at low tide tho | 21:29 |
| drazak | you can do it without magnets on you, if the electromagnet is big enough | 21:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | bkero, great, till you rolled over and the magnets were on the upper side and crushed you | 21:29 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk has a point | 21:30 |
| * ybit wonders how katsmeow-afk is typing away while being afk | 21:30 | |
| ybit | or maybe afk stands for AssFuckingKitties | 21:30 |
| * ybit shrugs | 21:31 | |
| bkero | Poor kitties :( | 21:31 |
| bkero | Maybe it stands for ask fucking kanzure | 21:31 |
| ybit | ah :) | 21:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | :-/ | 21:31 |
| ybit | katmeow has sure been afk a lot lately | 21:32 |
| katsmeow-afk | i am busy elsewhere, sorry if by dropping in i other you | 21:32 |
| katsmeow-afk | bother | 21:32 |
| ybit | bah | 21:32 |
| ybit | we like you katsmeow-afk, even if afk represents an obscene action none of want to imagine | 21:33 |
| ybit | +us | 21:33 |
| ybit | 21:17 < kanzure> how about no currency | 21:34 |
| ybit | like the gift economy i suppose | 21:34 |
| ybit | which iirc works well with metacurrency | 21:34 |
| ybit | 21:13 < kanzure> maintain coherence of vision. | 21:36 |
| ybit | i'm guessing NPOs have a difficulty with that as well | 21:36 |
| * ybit is curious what building costs are for a mid-sized plant | 21:37 | |
| kanzure | ideally not a gift economy | 21:37 |
| kanzure | planned parenthood and planned civilization hood is a good idea | 21:38 |
| ybit | what materials are needed and how much of it that is | 21:38 |
| kanzure | however, planned parenthood isn't necessary if you're generally working within some assumed bounds | 21:38 |
| kanzure | mid-sized what? | 21:38 |
| ybit | the drawing from yesterday, wondering how much it would costs to build something like that | 21:39 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: not sure if it was your or not, but didn't you give me the 1 foot of concrete tip? maybe it was kanzure | 21:39 |
| ybit | getting concrete isn't that big of a deal, i'm mostly curious what these reconfigurable walls are made out of and if i can build them or should i purchase them. and what material should the overall building structure be made from... | 21:41 |
| kanzure | don't purchase them | 21:41 |
| ybit | kanzure, fenn: what version of debian are you two running, i'm going to make the switch soon enough, compile times are killing my productivity | 21:47 |
| ybit | stable,testing,unstable | 21:48 |
| kanzure | usually I install stable first and upgrade to unstable/experimental | 21:48 |
| ybit | how unstable is debian unstable? | 21:49 |
| kanzure | not very | 21:50 |
| ybit | so just a few problems here and there aren't easily resolved with a little intuition or searching | 21:50 |
| ybit | +that | 21:50 |
| kanzure | not even that | 21:51 |
| kanzure | debian "stable" means "if it crashes I will eat my hat" | 21:51 |
| kanzure | debian experimental and unstable means "you have a good number of nines there" | 21:51 |
| kanzure | and not too many dependency problems | 21:52 |
| kanzure | the one major complaint I have is that they took away my xmms within the past two years | 21:52 |
| kanzure | but you can install that from a private deb | 21:52 |
| kanzure | so it's not too terrible :) | 21:52 |
| * ybit doesn't understand "you have a good number of nines there" urbandictionary tells me it's equivalent to a bullet so.. "you have a good number of bullets there" which i interpret as you have a few bullets blasting at you from time to time that you may have to be aware of.. which scares the shit out of me | 21:53 | |
| kanzure | no, "nine nines" is usually a metric in uptime/stability | 21:54 |
| ybit | phew, okay | 21:54 |
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| genehacker | speaking of vehicle recycling you guys here about what happened with biodegradable wiring? | 22:03 |
| genehacker | in the EU, they passed a law that said all vehicles had to have biodegradable wiring to make them easier to recycle | 22:04 |
| genehacker | s/wiring/insulation | 22:04 |
| genehacker | proved to be disasterous when the wiring degraded | 22:04 |
| ybit | one thing i'm curious is to how the plastics are removed | 22:18 |
| ybit | that's one thing i don't know about, don't really see us smashing our own cars though, not much to gain by doing that | 22:19 |
| ybit | 7 2009 501 | 22:22 |
| ybit | data from the amount of posts, that happens to be the busiest time of the year for the interwebs iirc | 22:22 |
| ybit | right before everyone goes back to school, people tend to do a lot more with online communities | 22:23 |
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| ybit | and then the rate at which community transactions take place is slowed down.. but i wouldn't say progress isn't being made, it's just less talk and more doing | 22:24 |
| kanzure | unit tests aren't that good of a metric to be honest | 22:26 |
| kanzure | especially in the early stages of a project | 22:26 |
| kanzure | classes change every single commit, it seems | 22:26 |
| kanzure | but over time the testing framework should solidify as we start to see how things are working out | 22:27 |
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| genehacker2 | what's the surface area of the testing framework? | 22:29 |
| kanzure | I'm sorry, what? | 22:30 |
| genehacker2 | nvm | 22:30 |
| kanzure | are you asking how many tests we have? | 22:30 |
| kanzure | =========================================================== 11 failed, 53 passed in 35.02 seconds =========================================================== | 22:31 |
| ybit | http://www.popularmechanics.com/marketing/covers/?fullSize=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.popularmechanics.com%2Fimages%2Fcovers%2F200910.jpg&caption=October%2C 2009 does anyone have access to this | 22:33 |
| genehacker2 | no | 22:34 |
| genehacker2 | it was a failed attempt at a joke | 22:35 |
| superkuh | ybit: http://rapidshare.com/files/277948930/Popular_Mechanics_2009-10ab.rar (14MB) | 22:37 |
| ybit | thank you superkuh | 22:39 |
| ybit | http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-328198 photo 9, anyone have a clue what that is? | 22:39 |
| kanzure | motion blur | 22:40 |
| ybit | looks like birds | 22:40 |
| ybit | at an extremely high altitude :P | 22:40 |
| ybit | Popular_Mechanics_2009-10ab.rar is not RAR archive | 22:55 |
| ybit | No files to extract | 22:55 |
| ybit | hmm | 22:55 |
| ybit | ah, silly me | 22:56 |
| kanzure | heekscad just committed some code for sketches, genehacker2 | 22:59 |
| kanzure | about two minutes ago | 22:59 |
| kanzure | so it's probably been tested for all of about ten minutes | 22:59 |
| kanzure | (how's that for bleeding edge?) | 22:59 |
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| genehacker2 | does anyone know what it's called when you tell a function which function to use? | 23:04 |
| kanzure | a "callback" | 23:05 |
| genehacker2 | ok | 23:05 |
| genehacker2 | for example I'm trying to write a program where I specify which equation the program uses in calculations | 23:06 |
| kanzure | in python and some other scripted languages, you would do something like this: | 23:07 |
| kanzure | (1) define function1 | 23:07 |
| kanzure | (2) define function2 | 23:07 |
| kanzure | suppose function1 and function2 do different algorithms | 23:07 |
| kanzure | (3) run the search and pass function1 as the callback (unless you want to use function2) in order to provide whatever's calling the callback with some information about what to do next | 23:07 |
| genehacker2 | function1 needs call function 2 and input variables into function 2 | 23:07 |
| kanzure | what? | 23:08 |
| kanzure | um that's just a function call | 23:08 |
| genehacker2 | but I need to tell function1 which function it needs to call to input variables into | 23:08 |
| kanzure | yep that's a callback then. | 23:09 |
| kanzure | do you have python installed? | 23:09 |
| genehacker2 | no | 23:10 |
| ybit | genehacker2: i thought you were using ubuntu at some point? | 23:10 |
| genehacker2 | I'm trying to program in something my teachers might understand | 23:10 |
| genehacker2 | I'm using winblows at the moment | 23:11 |
| ybit | if they can't understand python, there's a problem with your teacher | 23:11 |
| kanzure | genehacker2: try this, http://pastebin.com/f3ee408ea | 23:11 |
| kanzure | just a quick demo to show you what i am talking about | 23:12 |
| genehacker2 | I don't know python | 23:13 |
| kanzure | is it hard to understand | 23:13 |
| genehacker2 | http://www.charlesrcook.com/archive/2008/05/27/matlab-uncertainty-analysis.aspx | 23:15 |
| genehacker2 | I'm trying to do this | 23:15 |
| genehacker2 | except I can't do it like they do it | 23:15 |
| genehacker2 | because the matlab on the appserver doesn't have the symbolic math toolkit installed | 23:15 |
| kanzure | i thought symbolic math is the point of matlab | 23:16 |
| genehacker2 | matlab does stuff with matrices | 23:17 |
| genehacker2 | I think I got an idea of what I need to do | 23:25 |
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