| --- Day changed Mon Sep 21 2009 | ||
| kanzure | ybit: that url reminds me of http://www.robotwisdom.com/ai/timeline/0000.html | 00:03 |
|---|---|---|
| kanzure | or at least one of the other pages on there | 00:03 |
| * kanzure now visits ybit's link | 00:03 | |
| -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-40-12.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 00:04 | |
| kanzure | i feel like a failed evil mad scientist for not buying it | 00:05 |
| kanzure | sold: http://www.coolbiz.com/robodude/jet.jpg | 00:06 |
| -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-40-12.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap | 00:17 | |
| fenn | 00:44 | |
| fenn | huh | 00:44 |
| fenn | 00:44 | |
| fenn | i guess control-O counts as a character in irssi | 00:44 |
| kanzure | 00:45 | |
| genehacker | ? | 00:59 |
| -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-24-21-45-17.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 01:14 | |
| -!- nchaimov_ [n=cowtown@c-24-21-45-17.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap | 01:15 | |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/install-jmodelica | 01:16 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/install-openmodelica | 01:16 |
| -!- branstrom [n=branstro@85.224.28.237] has joined #hplusroadmap | 01:20 | |
| -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-40-12.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 02:12 | |
| wrldpc2_ | has anyone seen the singularity is near? | 03:07 |
| flamoot | http://www.boners.com/grub/798030.html | 05:05 |
| flamoot | 05:05 | |
| -!- ve [n=a@94-193-95-252.zone7.bethere.co.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap | 06:32 | |
| -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE3793.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Excess Flood] | 07:07 | |
| -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE3793.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap | 07:07 | |
| -!- kardan [n=kardan@p54BE4186.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap | 07:34 | |
| -!- davidnunez__ [n=davidnun@209-6-203-217.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [] | 07:42 | |
| -!- kardan| [n=kardan@p54BE3793.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 07:43 | |
| -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-67-128.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap | 07:55 | |
| -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-67-128.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 08:20 | |
| kanzure | in case anyone happens to care about my musical interests: | 08:51 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/music-anime | 08:51 |
| -!- dira [n=chatzill@de2-as1165.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #hplusroadmap | 09:14 | |
| jonathan__ | it's wierd, no one knows the building names even if they work at UT. everyone always says "what's MBB?" funny | 09:37 |
| jonathan__ | either that or this building is not famous | 09:37 |
| kanzure | it's new. | 09:39 |
| kanzure | "new" | 09:39 |
| kanzure | jonathan__: how do your scraper scripts work? | 09:42 |
| jonathan__ | how? | 09:43 |
| kanzure | i guess i'm asking how to use them, not how they work | 09:43 |
| kanzure | it looks like they work by "ieee <some url here>" right? | 09:43 |
| jonathan__ | go to the web site manually, and copy the link to the first journal | 09:43 |
| kanzure | ok so you supply a link | 09:43 |
| jonathan__ | some of them go "forwards" and some go "backwards" in chronology, depending on how I did it | 09:43 |
| jonathan__ | the ieee ones are more manual.. you have to save the pages in html | 09:44 |
| jonathan__ | the ieee site will have some link that is like [1 - 20] [21 - 49] [ 50 - ....] | 09:44 |
| jonathan__ | each link is a page, must be saved manually | 09:45 |
| jonathan__ | then it spiders thru those | 09:45 |
| jonathan__ | the base url is always the same, so it only needs those pages to work | 09:45 |
| jonathan__ | a simple top-top level script could fetch those pages too, but I havent gotten around to that | 09:45 |
| kanzure | i think at one point ieee tried to block my ip address | 09:46 |
| kanzure | (i was using my own script) | 09:46 |
| jonathan__ | it's pretty whack that before 1995 is nearly always unavailable online | 09:46 |
| kanzure | everyone knows the world began in 1995 | 09:46 |
| jonathan__ | well, you have to use the delays... | 09:46 |
| jonathan__ | it's just good practice anyway, to limit bandwidth | 09:47 |
| kanzure | right | 09:47 |
| kanzure | i wasn't using delays obviously :) | 09:47 |
| jonathan__ | maybe they have some fake url's in there, however my parsing gets around it, if there is | 09:47 |
| jonathan__ | since it's only getting pdfs, it is not spidering | 09:47 |
| -!- swabbie_strages is now known as strages | 09:49 | |
| jonathan__ | I need some high thermal conductivity potting epoxy | 09:52 |
| jonathan__ | the scripts dont use cmd line args if thats what you're asking | 09:53 |
| kanzure | "since it's only getting pdfs, it is not spidering" warped definition of spidering imho.. but if it works, it works :) | 09:55 |
| jonathan__ | Synthetic Biology | 09:57 |
| jonathan__ | the technoscience and its societal consequences | 09:57 |
| jonathan__ | PublisherSpringer Netherlands | 09:57 |
| jonathan__ | DOI10.1007/978-90-481-2678-1 | 09:57 |
| jonathan__ | Copyright2009 | 09:57 |
| jonathan__ | fluff book | 09:57 |
| -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-153-199.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap | 09:58 | |
| jonathan__ | my question goes unanswered: "What is the bill of materials for the open gel box 2.0 ? " | 10:09 |
| kanzure | tito's a jerk.. he's started a company without actually having something | 10:11 |
| kanzure | i really doubt he has a BOM | 10:11 |
| jonathan__ | he is shipping product | 10:11 |
| kanzure | he did the design in google sketchup.. that should tell you something about him. | 10:11 |
| kanzure | wtf? | 10:11 |
| kanzure | arghadsl;jfal;kjfaj | 10:12 |
| jonathan__ | for at least a couple mos | 10:12 |
| jonathan__ | come on, there's no need for CAD when making a gel box, it takes more time than it is worth | 10:13 |
| jonathan__ | simple list of intructions & materials will do | 10:13 |
| kanzure | four prisms too hard to model for you? | 10:14 |
| jonathan__ | the google cad is worse, because dimensions arent obvious if they are stated at all | 10:14 |
| kanzure | five, maybe | 10:14 |
| kanzure | it's not even cad | 10:14 |
| jonathan__ | either way there is no BOM | 10:14 |
| kanzure | right | 10:15 |
| jonathan__ | and no block diagram etc | 10:16 |
| jonathan__ | the schematic is silly | 10:16 |
| jonathan__ | meaningless | 10:17 |
| kanzure | jonathan__: i have a bunch of .dwg files, do you have anything to convert these to STEP or IGES? | 10:17 |
| jonathan__ | no. i dont use CAD | 10:18 |
| jonathan__ | well, EE layout is a CAD but I dont consider it CAD | 10:19 |
| jonathan__ | diybio is following the standard "open source => secretive" trajectory, same as computer industry | 10:22 |
| jonathan__ | that is, if eveyrone could stop talking about the same old diy agar diy synthesis in order to discuss higher level projects | 10:23 |
| kanzure | nobody understands skdb :( | 10:23 |
| jonathan__ | you never explained it well | 10:24 |
| kanzure | why isn't there a repository on diybio.org yet? | 10:24 |
| kanzure | never? | 10:24 |
| jonathan__ | never | 10:24 |
| kanzure | didn't i explain it last year multiple hundreds of times? | 10:24 |
| jonathan__ | not well, no | 10:25 |
| kanzure | ah, well. yes.. | 10:25 |
| jonathan__ | "skdb is like apt-get for hardware" is not an explanation | 10:25 |
| kanzure | it is if you know what apt-get is | 10:25 |
| jonathan__ | see | 10:25 |
| kanzure | and if you don't, you should go install ubuntu | 10:25 |
| jonathan__ | see | 10:25 |
| kanzure | because it doesn't take that much time | 10:25 |
| jonathan__ | ha | 10:25 |
| kanzure | er not even install :) | 10:25 |
| jonathan__ | that attitude never works | 10:25 |
| kanzure | right that's why there's an explanation on the wiki | 10:25 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb | 10:25 |
| kanzure | but that might also be useless | 10:26 |
| jonathan__ | you need to be able to explain to some random guy in a coffee shop in less than 3 sentences | 10:26 |
| kanzure | why? | 10:26 |
| jonathan__ | thats why they call it "an elevator pitch" | 10:26 |
| kanzure | "download hardware over the web" | 10:26 |
| kanzure | that's what i've been saying recently | 10:27 |
| jonathan__ | hardware != web | 10:27 |
| kanzure | nobody said that.. | 10:27 |
| jonathan__ | download != hardware | 10:27 |
| kanzure | sigh | 10:27 |
| kanzure | i didn't say that either | 10:27 |
| jonathan__ | download != hardware != over web | 10:27 |
| kanzure | i could do that for anything you say too | 10:27 |
| kanzure | thats != why != they != call != it != "an elevator pitch" | 10:28 |
| jonathan__ | too many disseparate ideas in 1 sentence | 10:28 |
| jonathan__ | thats the point | 10:28 |
| -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-153-199.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 10:28 | |
| jonathan__ | "download hardware" = "what? " | 10:28 |
| jonathan__ | "what? huh?" | 10:28 |
| jonathan__ | "hardware over web" = "what? huh?" | 10:28 |
| kanzure | it's not something they have seen before | 10:28 |
| kanzure | if you have a better idea for a <1 sentence introduction, go for it | 10:29 |
| jonathan__ | ha, I'm not the project lead | 10:29 |
| jonathan__ | read up on elevator pitches, it will save you | 10:29 |
| jonathan__ | how would you explain it to rothenburg in 3 sentences | 10:30 |
| kanzure | "Meir of Rothenburg (Mahram of Rothenburg), a major medieval German rabbi" ? | 10:30 |
| jonathan__ | dna orgami guy | 10:31 |
| kanzure | rothemund | 10:32 |
| kanzure | he and i talked over email actually, and i explained it to him as his professor's matter compiler project except not just for dna | 10:33 |
| jonathan__ | i'll tell ya, venture capitalists are equally "dumb" and they have the funding so.... | 10:33 |
| kanzure | he totally went nuts and wanted to spazz on about neil gershenfeld and fablabs | 10:33 |
| kanzure | so i would say it was fairly successful | 10:33 |
| kanzure | i don't think rothemund is a good target, pick someone less mainstream :) | 10:33 |
| drazak | -/n | 10:34 |
| jonathan__ | ok, then distill that "successful" down to 3 sentences | 10:34 |
| kanzure | drazak: ? | 10:36 |
| kanzure | jonathan__: would you help me? | 10:36 |
| jonathan__ | with? | 10:36 |
| kanzure | a "not terrible" elevator pitch | 10:37 |
| jonathan__ | no one else can help you, since it is your project it has to be your pitch | 10:37 |
| jonathan__ | you can solve this by trial & error, worst case. that is wht postdocs do | 10:38 |
| kanzure | postdocs don't have friends like you | 10:38 |
| jonathan__ | they tell random peope about their project, until the idea is finally distilled down | 10:38 |
| kanzure | doesn't seem that way from reading papers | 10:38 |
| kanzure | so "downloading from the web" is not distilled? | 10:39 |
| kanzure | i mean, "downloading" isn't distilled enough? | 10:39 |
| jonathan__ | a conclusion like "well if they dont know apt-get then they need to go install or read blah blah" is the first wall to break thru | 10:39 |
| kanzure | what's wrong with the "download hardware" statement? | 10:39 |
| kanzure | i can easily explain apt-get, but it's just me saying it and why would they believe me? | 10:39 |
| kanzure | i mean it sounds fairly extraordinary when you think about it | 10:40 |
| jonathan__ | there is no correct answer to "what is wrong with the X statement?" | 10:40 |
| -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-153-199.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap | 10:40 | |
| jonathan__ | the only measurement is: do people 'get' it or they 'dont get it' | 10:41 |
| kanzure | how can i tell if they do or do not get it? | 10:41 |
| jonathan__ | thus the primary way of finding the working pitch is just to practice | 10:41 |
| jonathan__ | then see if random people get it or dont get it, and try different ways of explaining it | 10:42 |
| jonathan__ | obviously they need to be new people, otherwise they are tainted | 10:42 |
| kanzure | hah | 10:42 |
| jonathan__ | you have the perfect environment for this.. pick random undergrads | 10:42 |
| jonathan__ | but pick ones who are not enginers.. maybe pick english majors or something | 10:43 |
| jonathan__ | you dont know the major apriori of course, tho basically it means, dont pick the nerdy looking people | 10:43 |
| drazak | kanzure: typo, I was doing /n | 10:44 |
| kanzure | nathan is so funny. "am i going to have to make an index.html so you can't peruse!!!" | 10:51 |
| kanzure | "nathan.. you gave me root on the server." | 10:52 |
| drazak | McCorkle? | 10:54 |
| kanzure | yes | 10:54 |
| kanzure | hm i need a way to distinguish my nathans | 10:55 |
| kanzure | drazak: there is a way to inject bare DNA through the tail of a rat and have it puncture the cells of the kidney (haptocytes) | 10:58 |
| kanzure | just thought i'd mention that re: your latest post | 10:59 |
| drazak | sure | 11:01 |
| drazak | but it's a bitch | 11:01 |
| drazak | I think nathan has a problem reading | 11:01 |
| drazak | "transdermal" = through the skin | 11:01 |
| kanzure | the harwell subroutine library has a terrible license | 11:07 |
| kanzure | what's the point of ipopt if it doesn't provide any solvers with its code base? | 11:09 |
| -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-153-199.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 11:17 | |
| -!- dira [n=chatzill@de2-as1165.alshamil.net.ae] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]"] | 11:38 | |
| -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 11:44 | |
| -!- wrldpc2_ [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] | 11:46 | |
| -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap | 11:50 | |
| -!- dira [n=chatzill@de2-as1165.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #hplusroadmap | 12:44 | |
| -!- kardan [n=kardan@p54BE4186.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 13:36 | |
| -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-55-92.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap | 14:02 | |
| genehacker | now what are you talking about with english majors? | 14:17 |
| -!- xp_prg [n=xp_prg3@99.2.31.217] has joined #hplusroadmap | 14:24 | |
| jonathan__ | use them for experimentation | 14:25 |
| -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-175-30.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap | 14:41 | |
| genehacker2 | on? | 14:41 |
| kanzure | that took forever. | 14:43 |
| kanzure | adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/install-jmodelica | 14:43 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/install-jmodelica | 14:44 |
| kanzure | oops, didn't upload it. the lag is affecting my brain. | 14:45 |
| -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-55-92.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 14:46 | |
| -!- wrldpc2 [n=benny@ool-ad03fe34.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] | 14:51 | |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/screenshots/2009-09-21-jmodelica.png | 14:55 |
| kanzure | (that's the pendulum problem running) | 14:55 |
| -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap | 15:11 | |
| -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-175-30.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 15:14 | |
| -!- dira [n=chatzill@de2-as1165.alshamil.net.ae] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] | 15:33 | |
| -!- dira [n=chatzill@de2-as1165.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #hplusroadmap | 15:34 | |
| -!- dira [n=chatzill@de2-as1165.alshamil.net.ae] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]"] | 16:38 | |
| ybit | kanzure: that robotwisdom link is neat, wish it would go past 2004 though :) | 16:50 |
| ybit | jmodelica or openmodelica, still deciding? | 16:51 |
| kanzure | chemical informatics: http://code.google.com/p/cinfony/ | 16:53 |
| kanzure | ybit: uhrm. well, jmodelica works, but i'm not sure if it does anything other than optimization problems | 16:54 |
| kanzure | http://openbabel.org/wiki/Using_OpenBabel_from_Python | 16:54 |
| kanzure | http://rdkit.org/ | 16:54 |
| kanzure | (one of the openbabel professors got back to me and suggested some links) | 16:54 |
| ybit | 10:17 < kanzure> jonathan__: i have a bunch of .dwg files, do you have anything to convert these to STEP or IGES? | 16:55 |
| ybit | is that from the diy-CNC guy that you, kanzure, linked to yesterday? | 16:55 |
| kanzure | ybit: they are on adl:/home/achiestdragon/ | 16:55 |
| kanzure | yes | 16:55 |
| kanzure | hm paredis wants to do a proposal with campbell | 16:58 |
| ybit | 0:33 < kanzure> he totally went nuts and wanted to spazz on about neil gershenfeld and fablabs | 16:59 |
| ybit | as in liked fablabs or didn't? | 16:59 |
| kanzure | liked. | 16:59 |
| ybit | 10:41 < jonathan__> the only measurement is: do people 'get' it or they 'dont get it' | 17:00 |
| ybit | they usually get it, what exactly is wrong with the explanation right now? i don't think there's anything wrong with 'download hardware from the web, hardware package management system similar to apt-get, etc' | 17:01 |
| kanzure | ybit: no it was not from the diy-CNC guy, btw. | 17:02 |
| kanzure | different people, sorry | 17:02 |
| ybit | people understand the elevator pitches that have been presented, i don't think measuring if it's successful based on if they contribute any to the project is a correct measurement | 17:02 |
| ybit | ah, okay | 17:02 |
| ybit | people understand diybio, but many people don't contribute | 17:03 |
| ybit | maybe they feel like they can't contribute anything and are waiting for someone else to do the work? :-\ | 17:04 |
| ybit | as nykodemus has pointed out to me :) | 17:04 |
| -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-55-92.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap | 17:09 | |
| kanzure | this is what i am hoping jmodelica is capable of : http://www.iti.de/uploads/pics/scr_Modelica_02.jpg | 17:11 |
| kanzure | huh dymola is owned by dassault? doesn't dassault do solidworks? | 17:13 |
| kanzure | oh they do CATIA | 17:13 |
| kanzure | nice overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modelica | 17:14 |
| drazak | next time I'm at the lab when nobody else is I'm going to try agar vs. agarose vs. polyacrylimide for dna, image the results, and post them | 17:14 |
| drazak | I should try pre-run agar too, and pre-run then remelted and re-set agar | 17:15 |
| kanzure | "job requirements: you know your way around wireshark and you have published one public exploit picked up by security team. 'nough said." | 17:22 |
| kanzure | that was a job posting from a security company in austin today | 17:22 |
| kanzure | the guy who posted it contributes to the bodyhacking mailing list, a transhuman-friendly group here in austin | 17:23 |
| drazak | an article in scientific american this month mentioned h+ | 17:24 |
| kanzure | hah. "richard mendez: first webmaster of utexas.edu" | 17:41 |
| genehacker | where's that? | 17:44 |
| kanzure | http://utexas.edu/teamweb/ | 17:45 |
| kanzure | i was looking around at stuff because i was annoyed that ecac.engr.utexas.edu doesn't remember that i registered with them last year | 17:45 |
| kanzure | so i can't use their spiffy resume generator dealy to update my pdf file | 17:45 |
| genehacker | going to expo? | 17:48 |
| -!- rook [n=rook4@ip68-226-92-62.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap | 17:50 | |
| rook | what about fibonacci indexed-placeholders in programmed array's in c/c++ or java | 17:51 |
| kanzure | hello rook | 18:07 |
| rook | hi | 18:07 |
| kanzure | why would i use fibonacci numbers as indices in an array? | 18:07 |
| Utopiah | number thery applied to data structure indexing? o_0 | 18:09 |
| fenn | drazak: why not just do it next time you're at the lab? it's not like you're cooking up LSD | 18:19 |
| drazak | fenn: weird looks mostly | 18:20 |
| drazak | fenn: and "why are you doing that's | 18:20 |
| fenn | SCIENCE | 18:21 |
| drazak | yeah well | 18:23 |
| rook | oh, i write code too, fibonacci numbers -- i was wondering myself what would happen with visualization of the output when fibonacci number sequence 11235.. .were used to place the index of some visualization, where the 11235 numbers would simply represent the amount of times to shift [0..1..3] in a direction in the array, if the array index of the array, if the ends of the array are reached by the index [playhead] bounce back n' forth , e | 18:38 |
| rook | r.. circular buffer? | 18:38 |
| rook | sry its like 1/2 in the middle of dinner time, i didn't mean to be rude or anything, i hope i didn't offend anyone | 18:38 |
| kanzure | why are you here? | 18:58 |
| -!- dira [n=chatzill@de2-as1165.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #hplusroadmap | 19:08 | |
| ybit | kanzure: thanks for anime music, i forget how nice it is for background music | 19:22 |
| ybit | because i don't understand a word so i'm not distracted by what they say and it's upbeat | 19:23 |
| drazak | infected mushroom is good for that too | 19:31 |
| drazak | I lost all my IF though :( | 19:31 |
| ybit | some girl was telling me about 'infected mushroom' the other day while she was rubbing my leg, don't ask why | 19:36 |
| ybit | 19:31 < drazak> I lost all my IF though :( | 19:37 |
| ybit | eh? | 19:37 |
| ybit | think i've heard these guys before | 19:39 |
| -!- Netsplit orwell.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: tarbo2, bct | 19:47 | |
| drazak | they're good | 19:57 |
| -!- tarbo2 [n=me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #hplusroadmap | 19:57 | |
| -!- bct [n=bct@S0106001c1041555b.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap | 19:57 | |
| ybit | options for a hackerspace atm: | 20:15 |
| ybit | 1) Take the house, build a garage which friends are welcome to use (can't make it an official hackerspace where people can come at anytime during the night for neighbors' sake) | 20:15 |
| ybit | 2) Form the NPO, get stuff donated to build a warehouse on the farm, and run the risk of the property being sold | 20:15 |
| ybit | 3) Find an unused warehouse and pay rent | 20:15 |
| ybit | 4) Go to Spain and eventually get around to forming one there | 20:15 |
| ybit | leaning toward 1 or 2 | 20:15 |
| kanzure | how about you come down to austin | 20:15 |
| ybit | warehouse there? | 20:16 |
| ybit | take that as a no :( | 20:18 |
| genehacker | we got one | 20:18 |
| ybit | http://pastebin.ca/1574698 | 20:19 |
| genehacker | no goodies though | 20:19 |
| ybit | still working through that mess and a sugar shock at the same time | 20:19 |
| ybit | that's the last time i have 4 biscuits with jelly, 3 cornbread muffins, sugared down ketchup and blueberry cheesecake ice cream, _ever_ :) | 20:20 |
| ybit | genehacker: seriously? what's the square footage? | 20:20 |
| genehacker | ask kanzure | 20:21 |
| kanzure | 3000sqft | 20:21 |
| drazak | hm | 20:21 |
| drazak | maybe I should come down to austin | 20:21 |
| drazak | help you guys set up the warehous | 20:21 |
| ybit | kanzure: woah, that's not bad, how tall is the ceiling? | 20:22 |
| kanzure | tall enough to lug big stuff | 20:23 |
| ybit | even a 16 foot tall airplane? | 20:23 |
| ybit | ~40ft wingspan | 20:23 |
| kanzure | yes | 20:23 |
| kanzure | 40ft ? hm. | 20:23 |
| kanzure | no, the garage door is only 40 by 15 or something :p | 20:23 |
| ybit | renting or owned? | 20:24 |
| drazak | although you guys would all be mad at me | 20:24 |
| kanzure | renting | 20:24 |
| drazak | I'd buy commercial crap | 20:24 |
| ybit | drazak: why so? :P | 20:24 |
| ybit | oh, bah, nah | 20:24 |
| kanzure | drazak: if you have money to buy it, that's not terrible | 20:24 |
| drazak | used or refurbed | 20:24 |
| drazak | kanzure: it's called a job | 20:24 |
| kanzure | what job? | 20:24 |
| drazak | I dunno | 20:25 |
| drazak | I'd have to go to college down there | 20:25 |
| drazak | and then find a job from that | 20:25 |
| kanzure | it sucks here | 20:25 |
| drazak | aye | 20:25 |
| drazak | I could make some money doing data entry | 20:25 |
| drazak | it's boring as shit | 20:25 |
| ybit | i figure if i form a npo (yuck) then businesses will assist me in building a warehouse. i haven't had problems in the past with businesses helping npos and charities out | 20:25 |
| drazak | but you can do it online | 20:25 |
| ybit | jobs are boring. | 20:25 |
| ybit | grants for research are fun though | 20:26 |
| drazak | yeah well | 20:26 |
| drazak | need a helluva a good grant | 20:26 |
| drazak | which we couldn't get easily | 20:26 |
| drazak | well that's not true | 20:26 |
| drazak | there's some stuff at natures website where you can write proposals and get like 5 grand each | 20:26 |
| drazak | I could do that shit | 20:26 |
| * ybit is thinking that if the warehouse is built on the farm, there's already a well dug, just need pipes to transport the water to the building using pipes that are donated, setup a few solar panels (donated *fingers crossed*), etc. go off the electrical grid and the only bills to pay would be property tax | 20:28 | |
| ybit | the members' money wouldn't all go to bullshit bills, just prop tax, rest toward building things | 20:28 |
| kanzure | so, it's not that hard to get a small loan under $50k | 20:30 |
| ybit | ..for? | 20:30 |
| kanzure | to just do my shit | 20:30 |
| kanzure | maybe i'll get the loan and a few of you can come down here to work on skdb | 20:31 |
| drazak | I couldn't work on skdb though | 20:31 |
| ybit | didn't you look at this already? | 20:31 |
| * ybit could :) | 20:31 | |
| drazak | I'm biology only ;P | 20:31 |
| kanzure | no | 20:31 |
| kanzure | drazak: why not | 20:31 |
| ybit | drazak: skdb has bio though | 20:31 |
| drazak | kanzure: I don't know how to program and my documentation writing sucks | 20:31 |
| kanzure | you don't do programming? | 20:31 |
| drazak | I've said this like 10 times | 20:32 |
| ybit | drazak: might as well start now | 20:32 |
| drazak | :P | 20:32 |
| ybit | it's not too difficult, seriously, start with some python tuts | 20:32 |
| drazak | I know enough to know what a piece of code does, and enough to write little hackish scripts | 20:32 |
| kanzure | what do you not know? | 20:32 |
| drazak | it's not difficult, I know, I just can't do it | 20:33 |
| drazak | kanzure: I can't think the right way to do it | 20:33 |
| drazak | I think parralel, not linear | 20:33 |
| kanzure | what does that mean | 20:33 |
| ybit | re:grants, kanzure, what grants are you referencing? didn't you already look into this? | 20:33 |
| kanzure | no not grants | 20:33 |
| kanzure | a loan | 20:33 |
| ybit | oh, yeah, slightly diff... hmm.. | 20:34 |
| drazak | I can't go A-F I go A-B and C-D and E-F and then B-C and D-E | 20:34 |
| drazak | we could get grants | 20:34 |
| drazak | it's not that hard to get grants if you can write and think andread | 20:34 |
| genehacker | so kanzure I got an idea for some stuff you could sell as a kit | 20:34 |
| kanzure | drazak: it's not hard if you have previous grants to back it up | 20:34 |
| kanzure | genehacker: so? | 20:35 |
| genehacker | or something to sell interim | 20:35 |
| drazak | kanzure: nah, just start with small ones | 20:35 |
| drazak | kanzure: 100k grants, not 4mil grants | 20:35 |
| ybit | depends on what for, i've heard from it's easy and i've heard it's difficult | 20:35 |
| drazak | it's difficult | 20:35 |
| kanzure | drazak: have you done it? | 20:35 |
| drazak | but if you apply for 5 grants you'll likely get one | 20:35 |
| genehacker | kanzure you might consider selling repraps | 20:35 |
| drazak | kanzure: I've done westerns and such for 3 grant applications | 20:35 |
| ybit | genehacker: i thought of doing the samw | 20:35 |
| drazak | kanzure: and helped outline two of them | 20:36 |
| kanzure | drazak: the NSF guys told me the chances are more like %5 | 20:36 |
| drazak | kanzure: depends on the grant | 20:36 |
| kanzure | genehacker: i don't want to sell repraps. go away. | 20:36 |
| genehacker | ok | 20:36 |
| ybit | 20:36 < drazak> kanzure: depends on the grant | 20:36 |
| ybit | is what i was saying | 20:36 |
| drazak | kanzure: certain grants are easy | 20:36 |
| kanzure | bullshit | 20:36 |
| drazak | well | 20:36 |
| drazak | certain grants have 30% acceptance | 20:36 |
| kanzure | show me | 20:36 |
| ybit | selling repraps isn't bad, especially if it's by word of mouth | 20:36 |
| drazak | nystem grants for non-cell systems are 30% acceptance | 20:37 |
| kanzure | i don't want to sell repraps | 20:37 |
| kanzure | you guys suck | 20:37 |
| * kanzure goes away | 20:37 | |
| ybit | :P | 20:37 |
| drazak | nystem for cell systems are like 10% | 20:37 |
| drazak | we get 1/3 of every nystem grant we apply for | 20:37 |
| genehacker | you're a molecular biology lab | 20:37 |
| drazak | we're a cardiology lab | 20:39 |
| drazak | half of what we do is an animal model | 20:39 |
| genehacker | aren't you at a university | 20:39 |
| drazak | yup | 20:40 |
| kanzure | ok then shut up | 20:40 |
| genehacker | well I'm outta here | 20:40 |
| drazak | lol | 20:40 |
| ybit | OT: anyone carry a gun on them? | 20:41 |
| * ybit is considering it. i've already got a few shotguns, but i was thinking of obtaining a handgun with alt bullets (the one which paralyze) | 20:42 | |
| ybit | ones* | 20:42 |
| * ybit has never used the shotguns except as a wee little man | 20:43 | |
| ybit | pepper spray just doesn't cut it for me either, especially if the intruder has a gun and is several feet away making the spray ineffective | 20:43 |
| drazak | shotguns are nice | 20:44 |
| drazak | what kind of shotguns do you have? | 20:44 |
| ybit | dunno, i know they're 10 gauge | 20:45 |
| ybit | i do know how to use them if need be, but i'd much prefer a handgun w/ alt bullets | 20:46 |
| drazak | 10 gauge? | 20:47 |
| drazak | that's rare | 20:47 |
| drazak | iirc | 20:47 |
| ybit | i don't think so | 20:49 |
| ybit | btw, there's some 'open source' ak-47 designs floating around supposedly | 20:50 |
| drazak | they don't really make shells for it anymore | 20:51 |
| drazak | it's the biggest gauge availible | 20:51 |
| * ybit is curious where swig defines compiler flags | 20:51 | |
| drazak | the most common is 12, then 20, then .410, then 28 | 20:51 |
| ybit | i knew "the most common is 12, then 20" not "then .410, then 28" | 20:52 |
| genehacker | wtf | 20:53 |
| * ybit can't find i686 in setup.py, plenty of i386 and -m32 though | 20:55 | |
| ybit | genehacker: what are you wtfing over? | 20:55 |
| genehacker | oh nothing | 20:57 |
| * ybit makes a skeptical look toward to genehacker | 20:59 | |
| ybit | fsck grammar | 20:59 |
| genehacker | I think I just broke math | 21:00 |
| drazak | ybit: my uncle is a competition skeet shooter | 21:00 |
| ybit | genehacker: g?del beat you to it ;) | 21:02 |
| ybit | drazak: i played that on nintendo once :P | 21:02 |
| * ybit was flawless lying on the bed and shooting gangsta style | 21:03 | |
| ybit | ...while the gun was on the screen :) | 21:03 |
| drazak | ... | 21:03 |
| drazak | I used to shoot a 20 | 21:04 |
| ybit | 20 what? | 21:04 |
| ybit | what gun that is | 21:04 |
| -!- rook [n=rook4@ip68-226-92-62.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] | 21:06 | |
| ybit | rook is from the atl area it seems | 21:09 |
| -!- splicer [n=acme@h107n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap | 21:18 | |
| ybit | atm, i'm being fucked in every hole by both pythonOCC's build systems | 21:35 |
| fenn | welcome to the club | 21:36 |
| fenn | is this your first time? | 21:36 |
| ybit | fenn: yes | 21:36 |
| ybit | # ECA = ['-O0','-march=%s'%architecture]^M | 21:36 |
| ybit | i could have swore i had a successful build on gentoo awhile back, oh well | 21:36 |
| ybit | anywho, if i can findout where that is being declared, i might be able to work around the m32/i686 error | 21:37 |
| kanzure | pastebin the output | 21:37 |
| kanzure | i have recently become a makefile and autoconf ninja | 21:37 |
| ybit | 20:19 < ybit> http://pastebin.ca/1574698 | 21:38 |
| kanzure | togetic? | 21:39 |
| kanzure | my pikachu can totally womp on your togetic | 21:40 |
| ybit | also http://pastebin.com/m739a6b48 is the scons build | 21:40 |
| ybit | hells no he can't, there's about to be a throw-down in here | 21:40 |
| kanzure | you don't have stdlib.h ? | 21:40 |
| kanzure | wtf mate? isn't that in build-essentials or something? | 21:41 |
| ybit | i already have build-essential | 21:42 |
| * ybit locates | 21:42 | |
| kanzure | try libstdc++ | 21:42 |
| fenn | this is good, keep track of packages you have to install (and plz dont add packages that didnt solve the problem) | 21:48 |
| ybit | well it's funny, installing python-dev fixed the scons problem awhile back, seems it was uninstalled recently and now i have the same error. so i re-installed, same error presents itself, guess i will try libstdc++ in just a bit | 21:52 |
| ybit | um, yeah /usr/include/stdlib.h | 21:52 |
| ybit | so that lib dir just needs to be specified | 21:53 |
| ybit | where does setup.py get it's i686/m32 shiz? it's not from sconstruct obviously | 21:59 |
| fenn | btw ybit you know about apt-file right? | 22:00 |
| ybit | yeah | 22:00 |
| kanzure | try environment.py | 22:02 |
| ybit | Checking whether c++ compiler "gcc" works...no | 22:02 |
| ybit | Checking for swig ...(cached) yes | 22:02 |
| ybit | Checking for C++ header file libstdc++... no | 22:02 |
| kanzure | can you read the configure file to see what the actual check is? | 22:02 |
| ybit | afk, bbl | 22:03 |
| -!- katsmeow [n=someone@75-121-60-152.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap | 22:53 | |
| -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-55-92.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 23:01 | |
| -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-55-92.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap | 23:09 | |
| flamoot | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRslKeT0EmQ During a routine Speech Kasparov is stopped in his tracks by an adapted Pico | 23:20 |
| flamoot | Helicopter with a giant Penis. | 23:20 |
| -!- splicer [n=acme@h107n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] | 23:20 | |
| ybit | sudo ln -s /usr/lib/libTKWOK-6.3.0.so /usr/lib/libTKWOK.so | 23:22 |
| ybit | http://pastebin.com/m4dd304a5 | 23:24 |
| ybit | gots to enjoy sharing one computer in a household | 23:24 |
| fenn | why only one computer? | 23:25 |
| ybit | anyway, i realized that i was previously using the dir what was extraced from the tarball, forgot i had even used a tarball at one time.. so the most recent pastebin is from the svn v. | 23:26 |
| fenn | apt-file search libTKDCAF | 23:26 |
| fenn | the answer should be libopencascade-draw | 23:26 |
| ybit | fenn: i have other comps, but only one that is currently functional, and this one is the fastest of all of them o.O | 23:26 |
| fenn | i thought that would have gotten pulled in by default tho | 23:26 |
| ybit | cpu MHz: 1132.914 | 23:27 |
| ybit | cache size: 256 KB | 23:27 |
| ybit | amd athlonx xp :P | 23:27 |
| fenn | i'd rather use a release because then i can tell people what to do and expect it to work | 23:27 |
| fenn | svn could be broken (probably will be too) | 23:27 |
| fenn | oh wait a minute, you just had to ln -s the 6.3.0 libs | 23:28 |
| fenn | i thought i listed all of those | 23:28 |
| ybit | except for TKDCAF it seems :) | 23:29 |
| kanzure | ok andrew wants to pay me a few hundred bucks to fuck up pinkarmy.org | 23:30 |
| fenn | to what end? | 23:30 |
| ybit | so everyone there can have username-afk? | 23:30 |
| kanzure | just random sysadmin bullshit | 23:31 |
| fenn | that doesnt sound like it's really solving any problem | 23:31 |
| kanzure | why not? | 23:31 |
| ybit | glad you reminded me, if i ever get free time, i need to read hessel's stuff or just watch the presentation vid | 23:31 |
| fenn | er.. does he have a business plan yet? | 23:31 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/pinkarmy.html | 23:32 |
| fenn | there are 7 people signed up | 23:32 |
| kanzure | sorry, what? | 23:33 |
| fenn | $40 life membership would mean he's squandering it all on sysadminning | 23:33 |
| fenn | that's not a business plan | 23:33 |
| kanzure | is this a business? | 23:33 |
| fenn | is it? | 23:34 |
| kanzure | doesn't look like it | 23:34 |
| fenn | hrm | 23:34 |
| fenn | if you're trying to get paid somehow you need to go where money is going | 23:35 |
| ybit | down the toilet? | 23:36 |
| ybit | *comedy drums* | 23:36 |
| * ybit waits for the tomato slinging | 23:36 | |
| kanzure | maybe i should stop being excited about the system | 23:37 |
| kanzure | and more excited about .. ? what's supposed to be the alternative? | 23:37 |
| ybit | btw.. | 23:38 |
| ybit | E: Couldn't find package libopencascade-draw | 23:38 |
| ybit | it doesn't exist | 23:38 |
| kanzure | did you update your /etc/apt/sources.list file? | 23:38 |
| ybit | yup | 23:38 |
| ybit | heath@togetic:~$ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list | 23:38 |
| ybit | http://pastebin.com/f50c1b3a | 23:38 |
| ybit | aha | 23:42 |
| ybit | else:^M | 23:42 |
| ybit | ECA.append('-march=%s -m32'%platform.machine())^M | 23:42 |
| ybit | just had to remove (without quotes) ' -m32' | 23:52 |
| ybit | then | 23:52 |
| ybit | ln -s /home/heath/builds/opencascade/ros/inc/* /home/heath/builds/pythonOCC/src/wrapper/SWIG/linux_darwin | 23:52 |
| ybit | so here's where i'm at now: | 23:53 |
| ybit | heath@togetic:~/builds/pythonOCC/src$ pastebinit fuck.txt | 23:53 |
| ybit | http://pastebin.com/f6aeda4f8 | 23:53 |
| ybit | hrm, seems ln -s /home/heath/builds/opencascade/ros/src/Standard/* /home/heath/builds/pythonOCC/src/wrapper/SWIG/linux_darwin has alredy been done | 23:56 |
| ybit | ln: creating symbolic link `/home/heath/builds/pythonOCC/src/wrapper/SWIG/linux_darwin/Standard_Size.hxx': File exists | 23:57 |
| ybit | ln: creating symbolic link `/home/heath/builds/pythonOCC/src/wrapper/SWIG/linux_darwin/Standard_Static.hxx': File exists | 23:57 |
| ybit | ln: creating symbolic link `/home/heath/builds/pythonOCC/src/wrapper/SWIG/linux_darwin/Standard_Stream.hxx': File exists | 23:57 |
| ybit | etc | 23:57 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.0.dev0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
