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| genehacker | jonathan__ do you know anyting about the soldering labs here | 00:17 |
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| jonathan__ | no | 00:17 |
| genehacker | dang | 00:17 |
| drazak | does kanure know? | 00:21 |
| drazak | you could, you know, buy a soldering iron and some solder | 00:21 |
| katsmeow-afk | too avant garde | 00:21 |
| drazak | I need to figure out if they'll let me use the ceramics lab at UB | 00:25 |
| genehacker | why? | 00:38 |
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| genehacker | what do you need to do? | 00:38 |
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| kanzure | hey jonathan__ | 09:25 |
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| jonathan__ | yo | 09:25 |
| jonathan__ | sudo make me a breakfast burrito | 09:26 |
| kanzure | skdb currently only does apple pie | 09:28 |
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| jonathan__ | sudo get in the kitchen and bake me a pie! | 09:45 |
| kanzure | so uh, for some reason, people who like django seem to re-implement the same stuff over and over again | 10:09 |
| kanzure | "yet another twitter module for django!" and "yet another foaf module for django!" | 10:09 |
| kanzure | i thought the point of this was to /stop/ repeating work | 10:09 |
| bzSmari | kanzure, the problem is that people who develop Django stuff are way too lazy at distributing their apps. | 10:20 |
| kanzure | i think they get it all wrong | 10:23 |
| kanzure | the point shouldn't be to write yet-another-twitter-clone, | 10:23 |
| kanzure | it should be to have a framework for dealing with whatever networks each individual user is from | 10:23 |
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| nykodemus | So I'll be in NYC this time next week. Anyone have any suggestions on where to go/what to do? #maker wise, anyway... like nycresistor and such | 11:08 |
| ybit | there are labs specifically for soldering? strange. | 11:09 |
| ybit | nykodemus: wrldpc2 might be able to help you out, i'm not sure who else though. you could try messaging one of the dorkbot or nycresistor people | 11:11 |
| ybit | nykodemus: is nycresistor having some type of meetup? | 11:13 |
| nykodemus | ybit: not that I'm aware of | 11:13 |
| ybit | nykodemus: you are just going to nyc for the fun of it then? | 11:13 |
| nykodemus | ybit: and it doesn't look like their space is "open" all the time like ours | 11:13 |
| nykodemus | ybit: meeting with some old friends | 11:13 |
| kanzure | so i was reading through this: http://strategoxt.org/Transform/DecompilationResources | 11:28 |
| kanzure | * "Using a Decompiler for Real World Source Recovery", Mike Van Emmerik and Trent Waddington. In Proceedings of the Working Conference on Reverse Engineering, IEEE-CS Press, 2004. An extended version is available here. | 11:28 |
| kanzure | trent waddington is QuantumG iirc | 11:28 |
| kanzure | huh yep that's him | 11:30 |
| kanzure | http://quantumg.blogspot.com/ | 11:30 |
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| kanzure | hm i wonder why solidworks has a gp_Pnt class | 12:41 |
| kanzure | CATgp_Pnt2d, CATgp_Pnt, CATgp_Pnt, CATgp_XYZ, CATgp_Ax1, CATgp_Ax2d, CATgp_Dir, CATTColgp_Array1OfPnt2d, CATTColgp_HArray1OfPnt2d, Handle_CATTColgp_HArray1OfPnt2d, CATTColgp_HArray1OfPnt2d, etc. etc. | 12:43 |
| kanzure | gee too bad the opencascade license isn't standard, else they might have a case here.. | 12:44 |
| kanzure | http://www.opencascade.org/getocc/license/ | 12:44 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/solidworks_source_structure.txt (5 MB) | 12:52 |
| ybit | http://www.sciencechatforum.com/viewforum.php?f=112&sid=2e505a8f02891bd4fd9b1ca2930d96f5 | 13:50 |
| ybit | one thing i don't like is that google typically doesn't give decent results from forums | 13:50 |
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| ybit | hi ve | 14:00 |
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| kanzure | hello jonathan__. | 14:52 |
| jonathan__ | finally made it on campus | 14:52 |
| jonathan__ | everyone decided to wear orange for some reason... | 14:52 |
| kanzure | it's required uniform | 14:53 |
| jonathan__ | i'm wearing green. which may be the opposite | 14:55 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r e6ce40f /doc/proposals/action.py: make it optional to build an oven if you can allocate an oven | 14:57 |
| kanzure | might be getting too complicated | 14:57 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/doc/proposals/action.py | 14:57 |
| kanzure | in particular Pie's build method | 14:58 |
| kanzure | oops, affixed_pan is wrong (it doesn't point to some_pan and instead points to sterilized_pan) | 14:59 |
| genehacker | jonathan__ don't ever wear non-orange on non-gameday a drunken mob could attack you | 14:59 |
| genehacker | though today's chances of a drunken mob are low | 14:59 |
| jonathan__ | i will not yield! freeeeeeeddooooooommmmmmm! | 14:59 |
| genehacker | things that don't yield snap | 15:00 |
| CIA-32 | skdb: kanzure * r acd7839 /doc/proposals/action.py: minor bug fix: some_pan is not the same thing as affixed_pan | 15:01 |
| jonathan__ | and now for today's weather update, we have cumulus clouds forming off the coast of corpus today and in downtown austin, a drunken mob of orange shirts, so bring your umbrellas when you head outside today. and that's all for the weather, back to you jamie | 15:02 |
| genehacker | oh no | 15:03 |
| jonathan__ | everybody knows the cool kids ditch the game | 15:03 |
| genehacker | YEAH! | 15:03 |
| kanzure | are apple pies more complicated than i thought? or did i just make it overly complex | 15:06 |
| kanzure | you can basically see my steps by looking at the comments rather than the code | 15:06 |
| ybit | just serve apple, minus the pie, and be done with it | 15:12 |
| kanzure | nono, i think this is a good demo/example to hash out | 15:13 |
| genehacker | to make an apple pie from scratch the first step is inventing the universe | 15:13 |
| ybit | the windcar named 'nemisis' from the 'zerocarbonista' guy is kind of neat | 15:13 |
| kanzure | not if you can allocate a universe first, genehacker | 15:13 |
| kanzure | we luckily happen to be in one | 15:13 |
| genehacker | ok | 15:13 |
| genehacker | anyway what type of apple pie? | 15:13 |
| * kanzure snipes the philosophers lurking in the channel | 15:13 | |
| genehacker | generic or fancy? | 15:14 |
| kanzure | well right now just apple pie, but i guess i can add in an option to add cinammon o something | 15:14 |
| genehacker | I'm assuming generic | 15:14 |
| jonathan__ | "anyway what type of apple pie?" yo mama | 15:14 |
| kanzure | sudo make me yo mamma's apple pie? | 15:14 |
| ybit | to build a universe or not, that is the question. /me ducks | 15:14 |
| jonathan__ | exactly | 15:14 |
| jonathan__ | make: yo mama not found | 15:14 |
| kanzure | i don't think yo mamma is going to be too happy about that | 15:14 |
| genehacker | that apple pie universe thing was from carl sagan | 15:14 |
| kanzure | really? | 15:15 |
| genehacker | yeah | 15:15 |
| kanzure | huh. "If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe." | 15:15 |
| kanzure | alright. that's kinda cool. | 15:15 |
| drazak | kanzure: do you have a copy of the Art of Electronics? | 15:16 |
| kanzure | yes | 15:16 |
| drazak | in .pdf? | 15:16 |
| kanzure | .djvu | 15:17 |
| ybit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water-fuelled_car#Claims_of_functioning_water-fuelled_cars | 15:18 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/books/Electronics/AoE.djvu | 15:18 |
| drazak | what's .djvu? | 15:18 |
| kanzure | bullshit | 15:18 |
| drazak | and how do I read it in linux | 15:18 |
| kanzure | it's like pdf's less hot cousin | 15:18 |
| kanzure | djviewer or something | 15:18 |
| genehacker | it is bullshit | 15:20 |
| genehacker | it's an obscure ebook format yay! | 15:20 |
| ybit | wow, everyone one of the companies or guys went down at some point | 15:21 |
| genehacker | that's not surprising | 15:21 |
| * ybit never bothered looking at water powered vehicles before, but it's kind of funny to read | 15:21 | |
| drazak | kanzure: got any good books on opamps? | 15:22 |
| kanzure | wtf how did michael jackson get into my trance stream >:( | 15:22 |
| drazak | rofl | 15:23 |
| ybit | their claims break down when @ the part of breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen | 15:23 |
| kanzure | drazak: nothing specifically devoted to the opamp | 15:23 |
| ybit | kanzure: discovery has a remix of a m.jackson song that's pretty sweet | 15:23 |
| ybit | how do you carry out electrolysis of water without some form of energy, hrm? impossible maybe? | 15:24 |
| ybit | question really doesn't even need to be asked | 15:25 |
| ybit | "impossible maybe?" was sarcasm ftr | 15:25 |
| genehacker | I need to check out your music kanzure | 15:28 |
| genehacker | meh | 15:33 |
| ybit | hehe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon The Ford Nucleon was a nuclear-powered concept car developed by Ford Motor Company in 1958. The design did not include an internal-combustion engine, rather, the vehicle was to be powered by a small nuclear reactor in the rear of the vehicle. | 15:36 |
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| jonathan__ | I found one of those in warehouse 23 | 15:43 |
| genehacker | sigh if we only had the giant nuclear powered car houses of the 50s retrofuture | 15:47 |
| jonathan__ | go play fallout to see what happened to THAT future | 15:50 |
| genehacker | nuclear powered cars that are so big they are houses, that never need refueling, just oiling | 15:52 |
| genehacker | kanzure did you guys in the ADL ever reverse engineer a water gun? | 15:55 |
| kanzure | fenn drew some boxes-and-arrows of a water gun | 15:56 |
| genehacker | do you have the gun and most importantly do you still need it? | 15:56 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/pngs/gs2-squirtgun-screenshot.png | 15:57 |
| genehacker | that is fine too | 15:57 |
| kanzure | it's lab property afaik | 15:57 |
| genehacker | ok | 15:59 |
| genehacker | just needed what you sent me | 16:02 |
| fenn | i don't think anyone is going to use it | 16:02 |
| fenn | i mean you can have the pieces if you want them | 16:02 |
| kanzure | genehacker: oh then you probably want the gxml file (not the png screenshot) http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/fenn/squirtgun.gs2.gxml | 16:03 |
| fenn | i accidentally broke the high pressure hose manifold | 16:03 |
| kanzure | you can open this file with "graphsynth" http://adl.serveftp.org/gs2/GS2.zip | 16:03 |
| kanzure | (windows only) | 16:03 |
| kanzure | unless you are a mono ninja | 16:04 |
| ybit | who is using the computer from the squitgun image? hehe, notice the firefox windowbar title "How to Take a Scree..." | 16:05 |
| ybit | it's as simple as 'print screen' :) | 16:05 |
| fenn | well excuse me for not knowing how to use windows, sheesh | 16:07 |
| fenn | i'm pretty sure i tried 'print screen' and it did nothing | 16:07 |
| kanzure | it does do nothing | 16:07 |
| kanzure | you have to go paste somewhere | 16:07 |
| genehacker | meh that's replaceable | 16:08 |
| ybit | graphsynth run on linux? | 16:08 |
| genehacker | I'm thinking of making my own watergun for the ASME assassin contest | 16:08 |
| ybit | nope | 16:08 |
| kanzure | ybit: gs1.9 runs ok. gs2's gui doesn't run on linux, but everything else does. | 16:08 |
| kanzure | but you can only run it under .NET, so it's useless | 16:08 |
| ybit | oh :\ | 16:08 |
| kanzure | for this reason i began rewriting graphsynth in python http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/thirdparty/graphsynth.py | 16:09 |
| genehacker | can graph synth be used to make just graphs? | 16:09 |
| genehacker | like reaction diagrams? | 16:09 |
| kanzure | yes but why would you | 16:09 |
| kanzure | i mean, there are other tools for doing chemical reaction graphs | 16:10 |
| genehacker | because I need to organize the reactions I have for making stuff for the dna synthesizer | 16:10 |
| kanzure | please write down the reactions in SMILES/SMIRKS/FROWNS. you'd be my hero. | 16:10 |
| genehacker | I don't know what you mean but ok sure | 16:11 |
| kanzure | they are notations for writing down a chemical reaction | 16:11 |
| kanzure | so you do something like HO2->H2O (except this isn't valid SMILES, i'd have to check wikipedia) | 16:12 |
| genehacker | sure | 16:12 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMILES | 16:12 |
| genehacker | but I was going to organize it in graph form so I can show the need for catalysts | 16:12 |
| kanzure | ok sorry, SMIRKS is the one that is like SMILES except includes reaction notation | 16:12 |
| genehacker | step one: combine ammonia and isopropyl alcohol in presence of Ni catalyst | 16:13 |
| kanzure | todo: http://www.daylight.com/dayhtml/doc/theory/theory.smirks.html implement smirks reaction grammar with graphsynth. | 16:13 |
| genehacker | step two seperate out diisopropylamine | 16:13 |
| drazak | man this is some smack shit | 16:17 |
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| ybit | grr, took 57m 48s to download AoE.djvu and djvu refuses to open. what exactly is that file anyway? | 16:19 |
| ybit | djview fefuses to open the file* | 16:20 |
| fenn | art of electronics? | 16:20 |
| ybit | oh, i've got that in pdf format | 16:22 |
| ybit | chmod -R 755 | 16:22 |
| ybit | hrm, kanzure that was meant for you | 16:23 |
| fenn | was i right? | 16:23 |
| ybit | fenn: i don't know. | 16:23 |
| ybit | fenn: you are, it was kanzure's response to drazak's request for it | 16:24 |
| fenn | i finally found something better than debian http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html | 16:26 |
| fenn | it even has a theme song! | 16:26 |
| ybit | tux needs a beard and a hard-on and that would be a great tribute to linux users :P | 16:27 |
| ybit | and maybe he needs to be peering from a peephole | 16:28 |
| drazak | ybit: you have it in pdf? | 16:32 |
| drazak | ybit: gimme it | 16:32 |
| ybit | yeah, one sec... | 16:35 |
| ybit | more like a couple mins, firefox is restarting after another xmonad crash in this distro | 16:36 |
| drazak | hate that | 16:36 |
| drazak | I hate vuze for my torrents | 16:36 |
| drazak | it wants to reboot every 10 minutes with updates | 16:36 |
| genehacker | fenn you've never heard of hannahmontana linux? | 16:40 |
| ybit | drazak: pm | 16:50 |
| ybit | when you grab the file, let me know, server will go offline then | 16:50 |
| kanzure | there's also christianlinux or something | 16:56 |
| drazak | jewbuntu | 16:56 |
| kanzure | i think HML is just more evidence that kde 4.2 sucks | 16:57 |
| kanzure | no i haven't actually used 4.2 yet | 16:57 |
| drazak | ybit: done | 17:03 |
| drazak | ybit: where's page 14-60? | 17:11 |
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| ybit | dunno, it was from some torrent | 17:25 |
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| ybit | http://rredc.nrel.gov/wind/pubs/atlas/maps/chap3/3-35m.html | 17:50 |
| ybit | so much for the wind turbine idea | 17:50 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk on the other hand, you might be able to do something with the wind | 17:51 |
| ybit | ..if you planned to stay in the states for very long :P | 17:51 |
| jonathan__ | command set for the FIALab Microsia 8 valve syringe pump: | 18:07 |
| jonathan__ | http://jcline.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jcline/laboratory-robots-tecan/Robotics-0.23beta/lib/Robotics/Fialab/Microsia.pm?revision=83&view=markup | 18:07 |
| genehacker | ybit get the wind up higher | 18:08 |
| genehacker | try acouple kilometers | 18:08 |
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| kanzure | print "hello %s" % (name) | 18:16 |
| kanzure | http://www.singularitysummit.com/program | 18:21 |
| kanzure | http://www.landley.net/ | 18:32 |
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| ybit | The tallest wind turbines in the U.S. have been installed in Texas ? the Vestas V90 turbines are 345 feet high, and are rated at 3 megawatts each. | 18:50 |
| ybit | genehacker: a couple of km you say? :P | 18:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | yea, way to do distributed wind energy! | 18:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | what's the payback timeframe on it? | 18:51 |
| kanzure | can anyone find the personal website of "tan yee siang" ? | 19:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | http://www.macropages.com/exiang/profile | 19:20 |
| kanzure | http://lazymonkey.info/ aha, another coauthor of the ODECAL system | 19:21 |
| kanzure | oops nevermind | 19:22 |
| genehacker | the energy payback is surprising | 19:36 |
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| ybit | if anyone happens to have "the step by step guide to screen process printing" or a similar resource, i'm sure i'll need it here soon | 20:49 |
| * ybit still wants the basic book for my ebook collection: Fundamentals of Microfabrication: The Science of Miniaturization | 21:02 | |
| katsmeow-afk | just found my reciept for a 540 megabyte harddrive, for $185 , which was a great deal at the time, because the 528 meg barrier had been broken | 21:03 |
| kanzure | didn't i give you that, ybit? | 21:03 |
| ybit | kanzure: i don't recall, if you have it, go right ahead and linky again plz :) | 21:04 |
| ybit | and if you happen to have handbook of microlithography micromachining and microfabrication.. i'm game | 21:04 |
| kanzure | i'm not going to be able to find this one in my collection because it had an obscure file name | 21:05 |
| ybit | the first or second? | 21:05 |
| katsmeow-afk | i also ran across a hardcopy of Newscientist 1994 on self replicating mirco machinery | 21:05 |
| kanzure | fundamentals of microfabrication | 21:05 |
| ybit | grep fundamentals | grep microfabrication > largelist.txt && pastebinit largelist.txt | 21:06 |
| ybit | i'll search through it myself | 21:06 |
| genehacker | self reping micromachines? | 21:08 |
| genehacker | where? | 21:08 |
| * katsmeow-afk points up to the line she just said | 21:11 | |
| genehacker | what month? | 21:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | hold on, it's in the otehr room........ | 21:12 |
| genehacker | was it nanotech stuff or something else? | 21:12 |
| ybit | kanzure: did you ever get http://ybit.ath.cx/books/Freitas%20R.A.,%20Merkle%20R.C.%20Kinematic%20Self-Replicating%20Machines.pdf | 21:16 |
| ybit | not sure if i linked to the book before | 21:16 |
| kanzure | no, but it's on the web in non-pdf form which is preferable | 21:16 |
| kanzure | also are you sure merkle was an author on KSRM? | 21:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | Science News ; Nov 26 1994 Vol 146 No 22 Pages 353-368 "Artificial Self-Replicators" | 21:16 |
| * ybit wants | 21:16 | |
| kanzure | ybit: http://rfreitas.com/ enjoy. | 21:17 |
| katsmeow-afk | the name of the article itself : "Darwin in Vitro" | 21:17 |
| katsmeow-afk | The quest to make synthetic self-replicating molecules | 21:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | By Richard Lipkin | 21:18 |
| * katsmeow-afk has been oddly interested in this stuff for decades | 21:19 | |
| ybit | oh, i meant to direct the pdf to katsmeow-afk since she mentioned the self replicating stuff, my bad | 21:19 |
| ybit | anywho, kanzure did point to the book which is in htm format and that makes me happy | 21:20 |
| * katsmeow-afk slaps ybit with the largest feather she has | 21:20 | |
| kanzure | ybit: now that i look, this might be it: http://heybryan.org/books/papers/Microfabrication-and-nanomanufacturing-Pulsed%20water%20drop%20micromachining.pdf | 21:20 |
| kanzure | not quite "fundamentals of microfabrication". also, it's 26 MB | 21:21 |
| kanzure | (pulsed water drop micromachining is just a subchapter) | 21:21 |
| ybit | i already have microfabrication and nanomanufacturing, the book | 21:26 |
| ybit | it's alright, was wanting these other books though. /me is reminded of how important a book scanner is again | 21:26 |
| kanzure | a book scanner is nice, but more important is a zero-day distribution team. i have quite a lot that i'd be willing to distribute, but none of the "networks that matter" seem to care | 21:27 |
| fenn | tried flakk.org #bw ? | 21:30 |
| fenn | or was it #bookwarez | 21:30 |
| fenn | they are kinda weaksauce actually.. just server bots | 21:31 |
| kanzure | #bookwarez died before i was born or something | 21:31 |
| fenn | i expect you want someone willing to seed torrents | 21:31 |
| kanzure | i don't mind if there's a pre-torrent-seeding stage | 21:32 |
| kanzure | hm strrchr is not defined in strings.h? | 21:33 |
| kanzure | oh. string.h | 21:34 |
| kanzure | hah. ./configure --with-cal3d=/usr/ | 21:36 |
| ybit | what about the diyh+ mirrors? that should work | 21:36 |
| kanzure | what a terrible "--with-" arg | 21:36 |
| kanzure | ybit: sorry but our transhuman network is totally lame | 21:37 |
| kanzure | we don't even have any transhumans | 21:37 |
| ybit | bah | 21:37 |
| ybit | guess i will install the 1tb and start grabbing from you @ crazy hours of the day | 21:37 |
| kanzure | yeah i just need to remember to disconnect the external hard drive and bring it with me one of these days | 21:38 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: what was the process of you building your house? did you stay in a friend's house while building it? | 21:43 |
| * ybit has considered camping on site during the process | 21:44 | |
| katsmeow-afk | no, i pitched a 16x16ft shack for the first winter, and got the top floor bathroom enclosed during the winter, and the kitchen layout and wiring/plumbing, moved into that the next Spring | 21:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | got the utility room enclosed pronto, which was really quite empty and 8x16, and put the bed in there while i got the big bedroom done 16x24 | 21:46 |
| * katsmeow-afk listens to songs so old they specify "jet plane" to travel on | 21:48 | |
| fenn | pre-singularity culture | 21:49 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/screenshots/2009-09-26-cal3d.png | 21:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | i saw Bond movie Quantum of Solace a few days ago, finally, and was nostalgic over the DC-3(4?) | 21:50 |
| fenn | so i'm making a list of stuff that happened in 1969 with the argument that the singularity actually happened in 1969 | 21:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | the engines were sure new tho, it wasn't a vintage plane | 21:50 |
| kanzure | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=quantum_of_phallus | 21:51 |
| fenn | i know there's a lot more than what's on there already: microprocessor invented, internet begins, engelbart demo, unix invented, moon landing, woodstock | 21:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | how did the singularity happen then, when almost nothing has changed since then?? : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-maher/new-rule-if-america-cant_b_299383.html | 21:51 |
| fenn | katsmeow-afk: it only seems like nothing has changed since because things were changing so fast | 21:51 |
| kanzure | fenn: how are you getting past the singularitarian's argument that "singularity is only about ai"? | 21:52 |
| fenn | i guess 'woodstock' doesn't really capture the whole civil rights thing | 21:52 |
| katsmeow-afk | only per Moore's law in semiconductors, i've seen little else advancing at any speed | 21:52 |
| fenn | kanzure: just by using definitions of the terms | 21:52 |
| fenn | kanzure: if someone wants to redefine a term then they're just being a body part | 21:53 |
| fenn | it's only obvious in retrospect what happened | 21:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | new automobiles look different that 1960's models, but it's still a gas burner with gears, belts, etc | 21:53 |
| kanzure | boo hoo. kats didn't get her flying car. | 21:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | so the Japanese showed us a beter way to make Vega and Pinto engines, what else is new? | 21:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | kanzure, no, i am only trying to see where fenn sees the "rapid improvements" | 21:54 |
| fenn | it was a point of rapid change which had unpredictable outcome | 21:55 |
| katsmeow-afk | you must be speaking of the social goings-on | 21:55 |
| fenn | i guess.. everything is social in some sense | 21:55 |
| kanzure | i'm not | 21:55 |
| ybit | chemical suppliers, i need a good site which links to them. i know of one which i've shown Phreedom | 21:56 |
| ybit | just need to find it in the bookmarks archive | 21:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | Maher's editorial is supporting my hypothesis that the collective total world IQ remains the same, even as the population increases | 21:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | the cause of that, i don't know | 21:57 |
| fenn | substrate overload in the universe simulator | 21:57 |
| ybit | it's so odd how that works, if true, because the information is much more prevalent than it was so many years ago | 21:57 |
| fenn | it just runs low res copies of the humans :) | 21:58 |
| fenn | matter only exists if you perceive it right? | 21:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | i found my olde Berol rapidesign green plastic template R-542 , it's different than the one i bough a few yrs ago because i coldn't find the original | 21:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | ybit, i think it's because there's no value on a human knowing anything,, fast food places now hire people who don't even speak rudimentary english | 21:59 |
| fenn | hmm i think maher is really talking about "the revolution of lowered expectations" | 22:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | she actuially did a poor job of spanish too, she said "es mal", i said "por que es mal?" ,, and she looked stunned and went away | 22:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | had to wait on a english speaker to get my Frosty (tm) pseudo-food-stuff | 22:01 |
| ybit | then again, i notice from logs from certain family members using this computer that maybe tech such as txt messaging, web-browsing, and other tech enables/encourages stupidity as well | 22:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | and i am "unemployable" | 22:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | forking soie ;o4n284y5n8ykhsdk,bgx, humans | 22:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | ybit, that's been suggested as well, leading to add | 22:03 |
| fenn | will your boat have a frosty generator? | 22:03 |
| katsmeow-afk | turns out, forced multitasking doesn't help | 22:03 |
| ybit | i called customer service for some company the other day and the guy who answered wasn't able to understand my clear english, he had to turn the phone over to what seemed like a boss | 22:03 |
| katsmeow-afk | fenn, no , i intend to be healthy | 22:03 |
| ybit | we have a frosty generator at work :P | 22:04 |
| fenn | it's true, and drug addled "ADHD" kids don't have any baseline experience to compare distraction-land to | 22:04 |
| ybit | just put it together this week | 22:04 |
| ybit | what's wrong with adhd, huh? we're just immune to the parasite 0, that's all :) | 22:04 |
| ybit | m0 or whatever it was called | 22:05 |
| fenn | well it's a problem when you pretend to be writing code and watching tv and IRC and checking your email | 22:05 |
| kanzure | what the hell is my sister up to? | 22:05 |
| kanzure | http://firefly009.weebly.com/chinese-curses.html | 22:05 |
| fenn | and end up doing all of them poorly | 22:05 |
| fenn | s/irc/your preferred text based communication medium/ | 22:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | and to think i been adding task switching to my code to give it adhd | 22:06 |
| fenn | and s/code/work-like activity/ | 22:06 |
| ybit | superkuh: maybe it was you that i talked to about sites for purchasing chemicals, i can't remember who it was now, and i'm not tempted to look through these 50bajillion usb drives atm | 22:07 |
| katsmeow-afk | is superkuh talking in here? | 22:08 |
| fenn | not often | 22:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | superkuh has been idle 2hrs 55mins 16secs | 22:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | i was afraid i may have inadvertently put him on ignore | 22:08 |
| fenn | kanzure: unfortunately that chinese transliteration doesn't really tell you how to pronounce it, because chinese is a tonal language | 22:09 |
| kanzure | is there some particular reason there's this random chinese and random lego set on these pages? | 22:09 |
| ybit | thanks for the utex.org link kanzure | 22:09 |
| fenn | is summer glau supposed to be chinese? | 22:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | no | 22:10 |
| ybit | btw, kanzure, that's probably normal for children to do. i remember it was fashionable to do this at some point as a little kid | 22:10 |
| kanzure | when i was 13, my websites were way better | 22:10 |
| kanzure | pokemon totally rocks serenity and firefly | 22:10 |
| fenn | ugh | 22:10 |
| fenn | i'm pretty sure pokemon is worse | 22:11 |
| kanzure | oh. hm. | 22:11 |
| fenn | at least i generally don't have to shield my eyes from firefly | 22:11 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20020923005046/animeu.hey.nu/index.php?a=instructions&valid_user=&password=&color1=373637&color2=202020 | 22:16 |
| kanzure | oh man. how terrible. | 22:16 |
| kanzure | maybe she has it right after all | 22:16 |
| ybit | http://www.mae.cornell.edu/mpeck/ found it after reading an article entitled 'starship on a chip' which mentioned him | 22:26 |
| drazak | firefly is good | 22:27 |
| drazak | :D | 22:27 |
| fenn | based on the requirement for an ionosphere to complete the current loop, i think so-called "lorentz force" drives are really just a form of ion propulsion | 22:29 |
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| fenn | it's still cool because you don't necessarily need to store propellant | 22:30 |
| genehacker | not sure about that fenn | 22:38 |
| genehacker | lorentz force drives work by lorentz force | 22:38 |
| genehacker | a charge moving through earth's magnetic field experiences lift | 22:38 |
| fenn | an equal and opposite charge moves back through the ionosphere, imparting an equal momentum to the ions in the opposite direction | 22:39 |
| fenn | sound familiar? | 22:39 |
| genehacker | it's not necessary though | 22:40 |
| genehacker | no | 22:40 |
| fenn | yes it is | 22:40 |
| genehacker | doesn't | 22:40 |
| fenn | uh huh | 22:40 |
| genehacker | that's a tether | 22:40 |
| fenn | you can't have current flow in one direction indefinitely | 22:40 |
| ybit | http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4579860 :: 1800 Mechanical Movements, Devices and Appliances :: brought to you by timshmidt | 22:40 |
| genehacker | http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=969 | 22:41 |
| genehacker | in djvu | 22:41 |
| genehacker | downloaded it | 22:41 |
| genehacker | it's good | 22:41 |
| fenn | genehacker: how is that not exactly what i just said? | 22:42 |
| fenn | also i don't get why it matters that it's a capacitor | 22:43 |
| genehacker | fenn what did you learn in highschool about electrons moving in a magnetic field? | 22:43 |
| fenn | they curve, why? | 22:43 |
| genehacker | because they experience a force! | 22:43 |
| genehacker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force | 22:44 |
| fenn | oh, that "other" lorentz force | 22:44 |
| genehacker | http://www.sr.bham.ac.uk/xmm/images/fmc/lhr_340_287.gif | 22:44 |
| genehacker | yeah | 22:44 |
| genehacker | though I wonder if this works: | 22:45 |
| fenn | i still don't see how being charged will increase your momentum | 22:45 |
| genehacker | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=9&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhandle.dtic.mil%2F100.2%2FADA273824&ei=H-C-St3lO5GysgPo5Pk7&usg=AFQjCNGIkh9RKLlGxZc-vrjbixBKFBbsgQ&sig2=g21QEdz_zfUcaxVYqbH-vQ | 22:45 |
| genehacker | http://arxiv.org/abs/0805.3332 | 22:46 |
| kanzure | ybit: "1800 mechanical movements" was a library on cmu.edu wasn't it? | 22:47 |
| fenn | no | 22:47 |
| genehacker | no this is a book | 22:47 |
| fenn | you're thinking kmoddl | 22:47 |
| genehacker | kmoddl has files to make some of the movements | 22:47 |
| genehacker | which I find cool | 22:47 |
| genehacker | was also made by our friend Hod Lipson | 22:47 |
| genehacker | fenn second link is the paper on how that charged thing works | 22:48 |
| fenn | 'essentially, a current loop exposed to a non-uniform magnetic field will experience a net force' | 22:49 |
| fenn | is that the idea? | 22:49 |
| genehacker | yeah | 22:49 |
| genehacker | they make the magnetic field nonuniform though | 22:49 |
| genehacker | which has me suspicious | 22:49 |
| fenn | why? | 22:49 |
| fenn | earths' field is non-uniform around the poles | 22:50 |
| genehacker | bolonkin published a paper on essentially the same thing | 22:50 |
| fenn | of course that would restrict you to a polar orbit | 22:50 |
| genehacker | I suspect he stole from this one | 22:50 |
| genehacker | keep reading the paper | 22:50 |
| fenn | it's an obvious idea | 22:51 |
| fenn | treat the earth as a giant AC motor stator | 22:51 |
| genehacker | the idea is to shield part of the current loop so that it experiences less force than the other unshielded part | 22:51 |
| fenn | no, that's crap i'm afraid | 22:51 |
| genehacker | how? | 22:51 |
| fenn | you're trying to make a magnetic monopole | 22:52 |
| fenn | the field will leak out somehow | 22:52 |
| genehacker | the field may leak out but it can't get in? | 22:52 |
| fenn | no, shielding works both ways | 22:53 |
| genehacker | fuck this argument | 22:53 |
| genehacker | I'll try simulating this set up | 22:53 |
| fenn | ok have fun | 22:53 |
| genehacker | and surely that will prove it doesn't work | 22:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | "SpaceX announced recently that it would be integrating a stripped-down test version of its own Dragon cargo capsule as the payload for its first Falcon 9 test launch. The Falcon 9 rocket is currently scheduled to launch on November 29 of this year if everything goes according to plan. However, Elon Musk admits that launch day will likely slip to sometime early next year. | 22:54 |
| genehacker | but yeah I see what you mean | 22:54 |
| fenn | an idea i just came up with is to have two spacecraft in opposite orbits that mutually attrach each other with magnetic fields to increase speed | 22:55 |
| genehacker | in that paper they claim that because a current loop that had both current contours shielded experienced less torque that his would work | 22:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | wouldn't they spin up beyond reasonable? | 22:56 |
| fenn | can't quite reach geocentric orbit though | 22:56 |
| fenn | erm. geostationary orbit | 22:56 |
| genehacker | fenn do you know what retrograde orbit is and why no one has ever put a satellite in retrograde orbit? | 22:57 |
| fenn | why do you say no one has ever done it? | 22:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | it's been done | 22:57 |
| fenn | it just means you launch west instead of east | 22:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | take a bit more fuel, and the orbit decays a tiney bit faster | 22:58 |
| genehacker | it has | 22:58 |
| genehacker | that's surprising | 22:58 |
| fenn | you lose about 2000mph due to earth's spin | 22:58 |
| genehacker | yeah | 22:58 |
| genehacker | it's hard | 22:58 |
| fenn | 3000mph | 22:58 |
| genehacker | supposedly if stuff in retrograde orbit collides with stuff in normal orbit you could get a lot of space junk | 23:00 |
| fenn | i guess | 23:00 |
| fenn | i'd expect polar/non-polar to be worse | 23:00 |
| kanzure | ImportError: ./_cal3d.so: undefined symbol: __cxa_guard_acquire | 23:01 |
| kanzure | i think that means i need to add -lstdc++ to my gcc line, but that doesn't fix the problem | 23:01 |
| kanzure | ok adding -fPIC seems to help it along, but now it's complaining about __gxx_personality_v0 | 23:05 |
| kanzure | aha. and to fix __gxx_personality_v0 i have to use g++, apparently gcc ignores -lstdc++ | 23:06 |
| kanzure | er. nevermind. | 23:06 |
| fenn | cal3d doesn't have a makefile? | 23:07 |
| fenn | also i wonder why you're doing character animation | 23:08 |
| kanzure | because you told me to | 23:08 |
| kanzure | cal3d has a make file | 23:08 |
| fenn | no i told you to make some simulation of pies and apples flying about | 23:08 |
| kanzure | pycal3d doesn't, it's old 2002 swig stuff that is for 2001 cal3d stuff which is outdated | 23:08 |
| kanzure | damn it jim | 23:08 |
| fenn | or teleporting if you prefer | 23:08 |
| kanzure | what's the point of that | 23:09 |
| fenn | well flying would be better of course | 23:09 |
| fenn | i just think trying to animate a human is too much work at this point | 23:09 |
| fenn | but go ahead and do whatever you want | 23:09 |
| kanzure | just seems lame to move around a giant cube | 23:09 |
| kanzure | can't you visualize that yourself? | 23:09 |
| fenn | no | 23:10 |
| kanzure | why not? | 23:10 |
| fenn | the computer is supposed to visualize it, thats why | 23:10 |
| kanzure | no it's not.. | 23:10 |
| kanzure | it's supposed to put a pie in a kitchen | 23:10 |
| kanzure | or something | 23:10 |
| fenn | i wouldn't trust a robot that can't tell me what it's about to do | 23:10 |
| kanzure | i'm so confused | 23:11 |
| genehacker | I wouldn't either | 23:11 |
| kanzure | do i have to ld cal3d_wrap.o together with libstdc++.so or something? | 23:12 |
| fenn | does libstdc++ have the symbol __cxa_guard_acquire? | 23:13 |
| * kanzure nods | 23:14 | |
| fenn | how do you know that? | 23:14 |
| kanzure | it seems to resolve the __cxa_guard_acquire symbol error | 23:14 |
| fenn | strings libstdc++.so | grep __cxa_guard_acquire | 23:15 |
| fenn | try that with gxx_personality (it probably doesn't have it) | 23:15 |
| fenn | the whole gcc/g++ thing is pretty lame really | 23:16 |
| kanzure | this is the first time it's bitten me | 23:16 |
| ybit | kanzure: there's now way i'm going to be able to diff the svn repos on this comp | 23:16 |
| ybit | i'm just going to ask for help on the python-occ mailing list | 23:16 |
| kanzure | ybit: just be sure to look at my changes to setup.py and src/environment.py | 23:17 |
| ybit | were you operating in the svn or release dir? | 23:18 |
| kanzure | fenn: yes libstdc++ has the symbol __cxa_guard_acquire according to strings and grep | 23:18 |
| kanzure | ybit: i was in /home/kanzure/local/pythonOCC/pythonOCC-0.3/ or something. | 23:18 |
| ybit | right, but you were initially in /home/heath/builds/pythonOCC or pythonOCC-0.3? | 23:21 |
| ybit | do you recall? | 23:21 |
| kanzure | i preserved the directory name so whatever the dir name says, that's what i copied | 23:21 |
| fenn | are past singularity summit talks/transcripts/fallout online? | 23:27 |
| genehacker | http://www.anthus.com/Recipes/CompCook.html | 23:27 |
| genehacker | kanzure you see that graph? | 23:27 |
| genehacker | got anything for making graphs like that? | 23:27 |
| fenn | graphsynth | 23:27 |
| fenn | erk | 23:27 |
| fenn | not graphsynth, no! | 23:27 |
| kanzure | graphviz? | 23:27 |
| fenn | graphviz, yeah that's it | 23:28 |
| genehacker | the online one | 23:28 |
| fenn | you can run it locally | 23:28 |
| ybit | oh right, kanzure, mind doing a chmod -R 755 on /home/ybit/irclogs since i'll need to refer to the previous conversations when typing this email | 23:28 |
| kanzure | fenn: singularity summits are lame like that. jata claimed to be trying to kick them into gear.. | 23:28 |
| fenn | 'dot' would give a result sorta like that recipe tree | 23:28 |
| kanzure | ybit: done. | 23:29 |
| fenn | apparently only kurzweil's video is online? | 23:29 |
| ybit | kanzure: ty | 23:29 |
| genehacker | fuck singularity summits | 23:29 |
| genehacker | they don't get anything done | 23:30 |
| fenn | oh, and drexler | 23:30 |
| kanzure | ed boyden is doing some pretty cool stuff, genehacker. | 23:30 |
| genehacker | like what? | 23:30 |
| kanzure | optical control of neurons | 23:30 |
| kanzure | "synthetic neurobiology" | 23:30 |
| genehacker | can you get em to glow back? | 23:30 |
| kanzure | grow black? | 23:31 |
| kanzure | er | 23:31 |
| fenn | genehacker: i tend to agree that conferences are a waste of time, but how else is anyone supposed to put together a good video presentation? | 23:31 |
| genehacker | ok good point | 23:31 |
| genehacker | but this reminds me of the fate of the technocrats | 23:31 |
| fenn | poor technocrats | 23:31 |
| fenn | wait a minute, who? | 23:31 |
| genehacker | the technocrat movement | 23:32 |
| kanzure | james hughes? | 23:32 |
| fenn | they had bad pr and so nobody remembers them? | 23:32 |
| genehacker | oh wait | 23:33 |
| genehacker | nevermind that was politics | 23:33 |
| genehacker | this is tech | 23:34 |
| fenn | hay guys u gotta use my new super powerful Technocracy Technate design, it's the best | 23:34 |
| kanzure | another gnurd in austin: andyhowell@austin.rr.com | 23:34 |
| kanzure | (he apparently asked a question about __cxa_pure_virtual) | 23:35 |
| genehacker | where? | 23:35 |
| fenn | heh "membership is open to any citizen of North America, except politicians" | 23:35 |
| genehacker | I've heard that | 23:35 |
| genehacker | oh wait | 23:35 |
| genehacker | I think I've met with him | 23:35 |
| genehacker | not sure | 23:36 |
| genehacker | I know I've heard that name before | 23:36 |
| fenn | apparently it's the only thing he's ever posted on the net | 23:36 |
| fenn | Re: Static library for gcc compiling | 23:36 |
| kanzure | nah, there was another one for something with gEDA and another for valgrind | 23:37 |
| * kanzure wasn't aware that anyone took valgrind seriously | 23:37 | |
| fenn | apparently it's useful | 23:37 |
| fenn | still not clear on whether it's any better than gdb | 23:37 |
| fenn | for backtraces at least | 23:37 |
| kanzure | er wait, i'm thinking of something else sorry | 23:37 |
| kanzure | what is the weird CAD library with a name similar to valgrind? | 23:38 |
| fenn | varkon? | 23:38 |
| kanzure | yes | 23:38 |
| kanzure | hm. not quite close. | 23:38 |
| fenn | nobody takes varkon seriously | 23:38 |
| kanzure | but it's swedish, it must be good! | 23:38 |
| * kanzure leers at nsh_ | 23:38 | |
| fenn | i thought he was british and living in finland | 23:40 |
| ybit | i thought he died | 23:41 |
| fenn | apparently back in .uk | 23:41 |
| fenn | branstrom is swedish | 23:41 |
| fenn | and splicer | 23:42 |
| kanzure | anyone from europe is obligated to be swede | 23:42 |
| ybit | trying to poke as many people as possible? you should probably list each nick and we can then play a guessing game of what countries they are from ;) | 23:43 |
| fenn | who is zvader? | 23:43 |
| -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 33 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 33 normal] | 23:43 | |
| ybit | i dunno, but i don't like him, my nick was the last on the list of nicks until that punk showed up :P | 23:43 |
| kanzure | looks like UT's IP block | 23:44 |
| fenn | first logged in from heckle.icmb.utexas.edu | 23:44 |
| kanzure | yeah, institute for cellular and molecular biology | 23:45 |
| fenn | odd, only ever said one thing | 23:45 |
| kanzure | anything interesting? | 23:46 |
| fenn | no | 23:46 |
| kanzure | do we really have 33 nicks in here? | 23:46 |
| kanzure | didn't we used to be only four plus or minus one bot? | 23:46 |
| fenn | the channel of dreams.. "if you ramble they will come" | 23:47 |
| kanzure | how do i choose which library to link in? lots of different libraries match for __gxx_personality_v0 but i'm sure some of them are bad choices | 23:51 |
| kanzure | i'm guessing libvtkRenderingPythonTkWidgets.so.5.0.4 is the wrong choice | 23:52 |
| kanzure | hm libstdc++ matches, but i'm already linking it in | 23:52 |
| genehacker | yeah who is zvader? | 23:54 |
| fenn | google says "use g++ instead of gcc" | 23:54 |
| kanzure | fenn: but i am :( | 23:54 |
| kanzure | i have to admit i like zvader's "real name" | 23:54 |
| genehacker | which is? | 23:55 |
| kanzure | genehacker: do: /whois zvader | 23:55 |
| fenn | funnily enough this is more or less the same conversation you had last time zvader said something | 23:57 |
| genehacker | oh forgot that | 23:59 |
| genehacker | using a new client | 23:59 |
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