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ybit | genehacker: yes, get keebler to make it out will ya? | 00:04 |
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genehacker | yup, exactly what I want to do | 00:05 |
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fenn | so nobody has any fm2030 books? | 01:20 |
fenn | there sure is a lot of chatter _about_ him but very little actual content online | 01:21 |
genehacker | the frozen dude? | 01:30 |
genehacker | according to wikipedia some of his books are now in ebook form | 01:31 |
genehacker | http://openlibrary.org/b/OL13585005M/Telespheres | 01:32 |
fenn | ah i'm a fool.. they list all his works as "esfandiary" | 01:35 |
fenn | hm weird. "There is a problem with your library record. Please see a librarian." | 01:37 |
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wrldpc2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itmLxjMQdHE | 02:19 |
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fenn | don't ask me | 10:07 |
kanzure | transcript from ed boyden's talk: http://groups.google.com/group/diytranshumanist/msg/aaf0a01a3360008a | 10:11 |
kanzure | http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0408104 Title: On a group-theoretical approach to the periodic table of chemical elements | 10:26 |
kanzure | it turns out that jonathan cline is already well known among the transhumanism community | 10:36 |
kanzure | james clement, for instance, knew him pretty well | 10:36 |
fenn | o rly | 10:36 |
kanzure | yeah he's more into the SENS sector | 10:37 |
kanzure | ok how about fabuntu? | 10:45 |
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kanzure | fabuntu it is | 11:32 |
fenn | fabuntu is the name of your company? | 11:36 |
kanzure | why nto? | 11:36 |
kanzure | not | 11:36 |
fenn | um.. well.. do you even know what ubuntu means? | 11:36 |
kanzure | from humanity to something | 11:36 |
fenn | ... right | 11:36 |
kanzure | " A person with Ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole and is diminished when others are humiliated or diminished, when others are tortured or oppressed. | 11:37 |
kanzure | " | 11:37 |
kanzure | "Ubuntu speaks particularly about the fact that you can't exist as a human being in isolation. It speaks about our interconnectedness. You can't be human all by yourself, and when you have this quality - Ubuntu - you are known for your generosity." | 11:37 |
fenn | you've proven that you can copypaste | 11:37 |
kanzure | yay | 11:38 |
fenn | i think it's a bad name | 11:40 |
fenn | at least for what you are trying to do | 11:40 |
kanzure | even canonical sells support for ubuntu | 11:41 |
fenn | you are not canonical though | 11:44 |
kanzure | i'm not Canonical enough or not canonical (the word) enough? | 11:45 |
fenn | though ~= enough | 11:45 |
kanzure | er, right | 11:45 |
fenn | i'm having one of those moments where every word looks like it's spelled wrong | 11:46 |
kanzure | http://www.canonical.com/aboutus | 11:47 |
kanzure | (i've actually never investigated canonical) | 11:47 |
kanzure | http://www.humanityplus.org/read/2009/10/2009-h-summit/ | 11:51 |
kanzure | that's being organized by alex. don't know if i'm speaking there or not yet | 12:13 |
genehacker | fabuntu sounds cool | 12:14 |
genehacker | http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=fabuntu&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 | 12:14 |
genehacker | but it looks like it's taken | 12:14 |
kanzure | not really | 12:16 |
kanzure | it has kind of fizzled out | 12:16 |
genehacker | sounds a little ripoffy if you ask me | 12:16 |
genehacker | but it's a cool name | 12:16 |
genehacker | oh wait most people don't know about ubuntu | 12:17 |
kanzure | fab-oon-too | 12:21 |
kanzure | or is it fab-oont-oo? | 12:22 |
genehacker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy) | 12:26 |
genehacker | how about naming it after those chinese copycat barons? | 12:26 |
kanzure | maybe another name | 12:28 |
genehacker | U-FAB | 12:29 |
genehacker | I would say U-fabit but that doesn't sound right | 12:30 |
kanzure | no | 12:30 |
kanzure | a uniquely googleable name | 12:30 |
fenn | we-fabit | 12:30 |
kanzure | fabacula | 12:31 |
genehacker | ufabit | 12:31 |
genehacker | taken nvm | 12:31 |
kanzure | fabacola? | 12:31 |
fenn | isn't there some program to do this for you? | 12:31 |
genehacker | fabman | 12:31 |
fenn | http://ygingras.net/yould | 12:33 |
fenn | that wasn't what i was thinking, but meh | 12:33 |
fenn | it just makes awful RPG-ish names | 12:33 |
genehacker | perhaps we could do something similar | 12:34 |
kanzure | thingybit | 12:34 |
fenn | that's the first not totally awful name yet | 12:34 |
genehacker | take a whole bunch of combining forms that denote stuff and fabrication and randomely put them together until we get something good | 12:34 |
kanzure | god we suck | 12:34 |
kanzure | web 2.0 name generator http://www.dotomator.com/web20.html | 12:35 |
genehacker | perhaps we could eliminate the ones that sound bad by taking into account vocal energy(IE how hard it is to pronounce a word, there are ways to calculate this, languages strive to minimize it) | 12:35 |
genehacker | talium? | 12:36 |
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kanzure | fabspan? | 12:37 |
katsmeow-afk | fabulous? | 12:38 |
genehacker | faberrific! | 12:38 |
fenn | i'm about to put you all on ignore | 12:38 |
fenn | genehacker: do you remember about a year ago we had a bunch of names that i said it would be a good idea to write down somewhere? | 12:39 |
katsmeow-afk | makeiter | 12:39 |
genehacker | how long ago was that | 12:39 |
genehacker | and do you remember anything you said | 12:39 |
kanzure | ok i found it | 12:39 |
fenn | how? | 12:39 |
genehacker | dang I think we had a good one too | 12:39 |
genehacker | so what'd you find? | 12:40 |
fenn | anchor plz | 12:40 |
fenn | so much for saving to a file.. sheesh | 12:40 |
katsmeow-afk | drat, not only is makeiter a word, so is makeiterator | 12:41 |
genehacker | I think I did save it | 12:41 |
fenn | makeuniq | 12:42 |
kanzure | fenn: i have logs on different machines | 12:42 |
kanzure | fenn: the keyword is "autofac" | 12:42 |
fenn | well i dont have it then | 12:42 |
genehacker | autofac | 12:43 |
genehacker | oh yeah | 12:43 |
genehacker | that is the keyword | 12:43 |
genehacker | well I'm going to lunch | 12:43 |
fenn | that is a short story by philip k dick | 12:43 |
kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/domain_ideas.txt | 12:43 |
katsmeow-afk | sounds car oriented | 12:43 |
genehacker | the autofac is also something from orions arm | 12:44 |
fenn | i'm sure they were referencing the story | 12:44 |
genehacker | go read orions arm on backyarders | 12:44 |
fenn | if you have fabvi you have to have diyemacs | 12:49 |
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genehacker | you guys figure it out yet? | 13:28 |
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kanzure | no | 14:25 |
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kanzure | fabracadabra | 15:12 |
wrldpc2 | W00T!! | 15:14 |
wrldpc2 | pwned | 15:14 |
kanzure | ? | 15:15 |
kanzure | hey did anyone see this? http://www.fabbaloo.com/2009/09/wanna-git-skdbing.html | 15:17 |
bkero | A blog article on skdb? | 15:17 |
kanzure | looks like it | 15:18 |
bkero | Fancy stuff | 15:18 |
bkero | gg on publicity | 15:18 |
kanzure | but i didn't do it | 15:18 |
kanzure | "fabget" could be used i guess | 15:23 |
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kanzure | openfab? | 15:51 |
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ybit | one day, skdb.freefab.org will exist | 16:30 |
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kanzure | i now officially hate the three letters 'f', 'a' and 'b' in consecutive order | 17:08 |
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drazak | diyfab.org | 17:33 |
kanzure | what a terrible name | 17:33 |
kanzure | i don't think "diy" should be in the name | 17:33 |
ybit | diy, fab, so cliche, and yet each domain in possession has those characters. guess the reason to grab them is because it's what immediately comes to people's mind | 17:44 |
* ybit was prescribed retalin, wonder how that will work out | 17:44 | |
ybit | ritalin* | 17:44 |
kanzure | are you on ritalin right now? | 17:45 |
ybit | not yet, got the prescritpion today | 17:45 |
* ybit doesn't understand why the adrafanil worked the first day, but after getting little sleep consecutively for so many days, its effect was never the same | 17:46 | |
ybit | i even took over 1kmg one day, it just gave me a minor headache | 17:46 |
* katsmeow-afk notes the same effect | 17:53 | |
katsmeow-afk | on lesser doses | 17:53 |
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drazak | ybit: a what? kilomilligram? you mena a gram? | 18:07 |
drazak | learn fucking metric prefixes | 18:08 |
ybit | 1 thousand milligrams | 18:08 |
ybit | :P | 18:08 |
drazak | 1 gram moron | 18:08 |
ybit | uhuh | 18:09 |
ybit | for modafinil, the recommended dosage is 300 - 600 mg/day, for adrafanil it's the same | 18:09 |
ybit | well, 600 mg to 1200 | 18:10 |
ybit | katsmeow-afk: did you try adarafanil or modafinil? | 18:11 |
ybit | grr, excuse grammar | 18:12 |
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genehacker | The radioisotope battery can provide power density that is six orders of magnitude higher than chemical batteries. | 18:48 |
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bkero | Is it rechargable and cheap? ;) | 19:08 |
kanzure | how about | 19:34 |
kanzure | "mechautomate"? | 19:34 |
kanzure | i think i choked while pronouncing it | 19:35 |
ybit | what about pybiomechautomate? ;) | 19:37 |
ybit | or pyautomatebiomech or pamba for short | 19:39 |
katsmeow-afk | pybiomechfabautodyimate? | 19:40 |
ybit | hehe | 19:40 |
ybit | or just skdbus | 19:40 |
katsmeow-afk | adrafinal, 300mg por un comprime` , it does help alertness, and 7-keto dhea gave energy, but the energy was shortlives, and i wonder if the boost in accuity now is trading it against the long term | 19:41 |
katsmeow-afk | pimabuite | 19:42 |
ybit | ssma "sudo make me a..." | 19:44 |
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ybit | skdbuilders | 19:45 |
ybit | skdbmake | 19:45 |
katsmeow-afk | Makers-<reverse>R</reverse>-Us | 19:48 |
ybit | ffuck, or flying ferrets utilize computers knowledgeably | 19:50 |
katsmeow-afk | lol | 19:51 |
* ybit has always wanted a company to be called 'go fuck yourself' | 19:51 | |
ybit | ah, the wonders of nnimap. what mua do you all use? | 19:55 |
* ybit thinks he has asked this once | 19:55 | |
ybit | fenn, i know you're a pine nut | 19:55 |
drazak | mua? make up artist? | 19:55 |
ybit | mail user agent | 19:56 |
ybit | ya know, gnus, mutt, pine and alpine, unix mail, etc. | 19:56 |
drazak | aye | 19:57 |
ybit | cron + mua of choice is helpful if you aren't aware of it | 19:59 |
drazak | in another channel I'm in uses muas for make up artists | 19:59 |
drazak | it's a photography channel | 19:59 |
ybit | ##photography? | 20:00 |
ybit | er, i mean #photogeeks? | 20:00 |
drazak | aye | 20:00 |
ybit | i'm in there as well :P | 20:00 |
drazak | do you know where I can find translations for ecce romani II? | 20:00 |
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ybit | not a clue, have you tried google eecce romani (II|2) +(torrent|ebook|pdf|rar|zip) ? | 20:01 |
drazak | I'm googling it | 20:02 |
ybit | s/google/googling | 20:02 |
drazak | not finding much | 20:02 |
ybit | p2p file sharing clients, usenet, or emailing and PMing people who may have it | 20:03 |
ybit | and lastly to the library and scanning it yourself | 20:04 |
ybit | or whatever it is | 20:04 |
drazak | I have the textbook | 20:04 |
drazak | I wnat the translations | 20:04 |
kanzure | mechanii? | 20:07 |
drazak | what? | 20:08 |
ybit | ooh, a latin twist on the name, i almost like if the implications of a dead language weren't tagged to it | 20:13 |
ybit | it almost sounds japanese just because of the Wii | 20:16 |
ybit | and when you think japanese, you have to think futuristic tech or perverted grown men, either way it's kind of intriguing | 20:17 |
ybit | ..in a weird oriental way | 20:20 |
* ybit finally got gnus working on this debian machine | 20:20 | |
ybit | what nntp server do you ladies and gentlemen use? | 20:21 |
ybit | guess it doesn't matter | 20:24 |
ybit | it wasn't gnus having problems, it was my imap server syncing properly | 20:25 |
ybit | servers* | 20:25 |
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ybit | so i'm a little behind, but i did find it: http://www.newzbot.com/ | 20:42 |
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genehacker | what are you looking for? | 22:12 |
ybit | genehacker: more newsgroups with decent content | 22:47 |
ybit | katsmeow-afk: how much are you estimating to build your houseboat? | 22:47 |
genehacker | oh nvm | 22:48 |
katsmeow-afk | it's not classified as a houseboat, it's classified as a trimaran yacht | 22:50 |
katsmeow-afk | houseboats have a bathtub hull | 22:50 |
* ybit was looking at prices of yachts, it seems quite expensive | 22:51 | |
katsmeow-afk | very | 22:52 |
ybit | oh, genehacker, drazak was looking for a translation of eecce romani 2 | 22:52 |
ybit | for a damn cheap yacht... | 22:52 |
ybit | 22:41 <ybit> ~$8k starting off | 22:52 |
ybit | 22:41 <ybit> then you have to install solar ~$13k | 22:52 |
ybit | 22:41 <ybit> and you need to redo the broken down yacht ~15k^ | 22:52 |
ybit | my terribly inadequate estimate | 22:53 |
katsmeow-afk | 15K is all? new engine, drive, prop, rudder willc ost you that much | 22:53 |
ybit | i was waiting for you to correct my figures :) | 22:53 |
katsmeow-afk | it's not all in materials, half the cost is it sittin on someone's land while you do the out-of-water stuff, and some sites charge $2k to take the boat out, and then $2k to putit back in | 22:54 |
ybit | that's another problem i ran across, marina fees | 22:54 |
katsmeow-afk | $13k for solar is 2kw pointed directly to full noon sun , less if you buy more efficent panels to fit them all on the boat at once | 22:55 |
ybit | rvboatlife mentioned some site in N.C. where you could stay two nights | 22:55 |
katsmeow-afk | marina fees to live quietly, no boat overhauling, is $350+ | 22:56 |
ybit | ..for free, and i'm sure there's others | 22:56 |
* ybit knows nothing about boating | 22:56 | |
katsmeow-afk | Fla has state parks with docks, you can tie up for the cost of camping for 30 days per park per year, and there's 13 parks on the Gulf/Atl | 22:57 |
katsmeow-afk | and some inland | 22:57 |
ybit | what price? | 22:57 |
katsmeow-afk | afaik, you can legally drop anchor in nooks and crannies off the ICW, over nite, but expect the cops to drop in unexpectedly | 22:57 |
katsmeow-afk | $2 - $5 / nite, iirc | 22:58 |
katsmeow-afk | you get to use a campsite if there are some free, and washing/restroom facilities on land | 22:58 |
katsmeow-afk | beware, some sites are under-docked, and people have been known to triple park their boats (crawling over yours to get toland) | 22:59 |
katsmeow-afk | also, for liveaboards, some Fla land communitied have been trying to outlaw dropping anchor in the ICW overnite, but their efforts have been overturned in court | 23:00 |
katsmeow-afk | there were a lot of marinas for liveaboards, but no new ones have been approved on 20 yrs, some old marinas still exist | 23:00 |
katsmeow-afk | you can expect boarding by cops to inspect the boat for everything | 23:01 |
katsmeow-afk | you better have land-based paperwork too, showing a permananent land-based residence | 23:01 |
katsmeow-afk | if you go out of 200 miles EEZ, and return, they will jail you for indeterminate time (months) if you do not have passport on you | 23:02 |
katsmeow-afk | many marinas have some form of ethernet | 23:03 |
katsmeow-afk | once marina that looked interesting in Boston had pilings in their harbor with power, water, wired internet, for $300/mo, and pumpout boats came to you when you called | 23:04 |
ybit | this is good info katsmeow-afk, keep it coming please :) | 23:04 |
katsmeow-afk | newpapers and mail couldbe delivered | 23:04 |
katsmeow-afk | some marinas have a water taxi, so you don't need to put your dinghy in the water and worry about where to tie up to go get a pizza | 23:05 |
katsmeow-afk | some have mailboxes, and at least a few will open and fax your mail to you | 23:05 |
katsmeow-afk | land bases satinternet is cehapcompared to boat-basedsatinternet, because of the dynamic pointing requirements and saltwater intrusion problems, expect to pay $k's more for boat-based | 23:07 |
katsmeow-afk | 50ft seems to be a general length break point for marinas for dock tieups | 23:08 |
katsmeow-afk | hauling out a 50ft boat is expensive, most sites cannot haul a cat or tri out for any amount of money | 23:08 |
katsmeow-afk | most marinas are shallow, if you have a sailer, it better have a retractable centerbd | 23:09 |
katsmeow-afk | most marinas want liability insurance, some will not allow docking of a hull that overhangs or juts under a dock | 23:09 |
katsmeow-afk | many have 2 forms of power: 20a@120vac, or 50a@240vac , you pay for which you want, price per kw is individual per marina, most are unmetered | 23:11 |
katsmeow-afk | if they see you liveabd and have an ac, expect to pay a lot | 23:11 |
katsmeow-afk | you do not want to swim in a marina, the water will be fouled with anti-algae boat paints and prolly sewage | 23:12 |
katsmeow-afk | some marinas are first-come, most charge reasonable for months, double for day rates, and a month off for a yr paid in advance, no refunds | 23:13 |
katsmeow-afk | keeping up with wildlife protected areas will be a serious pita, all of SE Alaska coast became federally protected sea otter habitat today, no idea what that means for small boaters | 23:14 |
katsmeow-afk | if a cop plane ovreflies you in the everglades area, and sees you kicking up silt with the prop, they WILL send a boat for you and WILL take your boat from you | 23:15 |
katsmeow-afk | if you anchor in coral *anywhere* in usa waters, expect to lose your boat | 23:16 |
katsmeow-afk | there are two protected coral banks south of the Ms/Lo line way out in the Gulf | 23:16 |
katsmeow-afk | the *entire* keys from Miami almost to Tampa is in multiple overlapping protections | 23:17 |
katsmeow-afk | if you are in the ICW with a sailer, be prepared to demast to clear inoperative lift/swing bridges | 23:18 |
katsmeow-afk | if you think you see a huge area of clear water you can sail across for any reason, doesn't mean you can, it may be military training ground,, err, water | 23:19 |
katsmeow-afk | there's numerous munitions dumping grounds off Fla, and btw it's illegal to be on the water with out CG charts of the water and bottom | 23:20 |
katsmeow-afk | you drop anchor on a bomb and it detonates, it's your fault | 23:20 |
ybit | almost certain to have some questions for you tomorrow, thank you very much for the info katsmeow-afk | 23:22 |
ybit | time to call it a night here | 23:22 |
katsmeow-afk | Lake George in Fla has a nice state park on it's entire west side,, the lake was also training grounds for aerial torpedo and bomb dropping | 23:22 |
katsmeow-afk | during WW1 and 2 | 23:22 |
katsmeow-afk | in between and after | 23:23 |
* katsmeow-afk waves gnites to ybit | 23:24 | |
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katsmeow-afk | most bays, estuaries, etc can be deceptive in : currents, depth, tide flows | 23:25 |
katsmeow-afk | most have wrecks, these wrecks may cost you an anchor when it get tangled | 23:26 |
katsmeow-afk | in related new, LosAngles will be dredging it's bay and depositing 400,000cu yds of fill on a 3 mile long swath to cap over 130 tons of ddt off the coast there, expected operations 2010-2012 | 23:28 |
katsmeow-afk | re: right of way of sailing boats: does not apply to comemrcial boats avoiding you on the oceans/gulf or in dredged areas, they may cut your boat in two, or swamp you with 20ft waves, and do not haveto throw you a life vest | 23:29 |
katsmeow-afk | and it's generally illegal as hell to anchor anywhere on the mississippi shores now, due to mesh retaining mats being hauled up with anchors | 23:30 |
katsmeow-afk | many smaller rivers, beware of barge "trains", they geenrally park along the shore at dark, they will not see your small boat, will not call out on the radio, | 23:32 |
katsmeow-afk | and have more than enough tonnage to mash you into the river bottom permanenetly | 23:32 |
katsmeow-afk | it's happened | 23:32 |
katsmeow-afk | it's up to you, whereever you are, to park where you are not an obstruction to anyone else | 23:33 |
katsmeow-afk | or they may park on you | 23:33 |
katsmeow-afk | the Atl is a bigplace, the area from Bahamas to Mediterranean is often used as military training grounds | 23:34 |
katsmeow-afk | do not expect emergency signalling equipment to work, especially the kind that automagically transmistts when it gets wet | 23:35 |
katsmeow-afk | it may still work, but transmit it's burp while underwater, and do so only once, despite the blinky lites | 23:36 |
katsmeow-afk | thee's 2 bands of emergency alerts, one is being phased out 08/09 | 23:36 |
katsmeow-afk | don't buy a cheap alert system for a band no one is monitoring | 23:36 |
katsmeow-afk | anything on a tower, mast, flying bridge, may be fried by lightning, keep handheld stuff clear of the permanently mounted electronics stuff | 23:39 |
katsmeow-afk | if you do not have a radar reflector, it's your fault for getting yourself run over | 23:39 |
katsmeow-afk | military ships arenot required to avoid you | 23:40 |
katsmeow-afk | i have video where they don't even avoid themselves | 23:40 |
katsmeow-afk | technically, there should be someone at all times scanning the horizon, meaning awake at the throttle to get out of someone else's way | 23:41 |
katsmeow-afk | some boats do a min awake, 10 min sleeping, i hear it's rough | 23:41 |
katsmeow-afk | it is not rare to snag a submarine in a net, and they will keep going and likely pull you under | 23:42 |
katsmeow-afk | no matter why you are fishing, there's strictly enforced catch rules, know what fish you just caught and if yo can keep it at the time of catch, and have fishing permits for that location | 23:44 |
katsmeow-afk | basically: CYA and scour the internet and CG stations for rules, you will be small fry and easy to put in jail | 23:45 |
katsmeow-afk | have 2 sat positioning systems, they better agree if you have any question about where you are | 23:46 |
katsmeow-afk | some countries that may accept you with open arms last yr, may not this yr | 23:47 |
katsmeow-afk | if you goto another country, clear customs, have radio gear for that place | 23:47 |
katsmeow-afk | there's flotillas of private boats in some places, like from Fla (Jax, Miami, etc) to Bahamas , because of pirate attacks | 23:48 |
katsmeow-afk | you hit bottom , in some places, in some countries (Bahamas, Bermuda, etc), you goto jail | 23:49 |
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