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| katsmeow-afk | Search results for intelligence (87 torrents) | 00:22 |
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| fenn | chatty katty | 01:04 |
| katsmeow-afk | hmm ? | 01:05 |
| katsmeow-afk | he asked | 01:05 |
| katsmeow-afk | and then he went to bed! | 01:05 |
| bkero | Any of you guys use SAGE before? | 01:09 |
| bkero | Sage | 01:09 |
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| genehacker | wrong box | 01:51 |
| genehacker | we all know sage goes into email | 01:57 |
| bkero | ? | 01:58 |
| fenn | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SAGE_console.jpeg | 01:59 |
| fenn | i just think that thing looks really nice | 01:59 |
| bkero | Haha awesome | 01:59 |
| bkero | THat it does | 01:59 |
| bkero | The acrylic cased d-shell connector | 01:59 |
| fenn | that's how you know it's a museum piece | 02:00 |
| fenn | otherwise it'd just be a boat anchor | 02:00 |
| genehacker | oh yeah I saw that | 02:16 |
| genehacker | if you ever get a chance visit the computer history museum | 02:45 |
| genehacker | it's on of the essential nerd pilgirmiges | 02:45 |
| bkero | This scares the shit out of me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-altitude_airship | 03:45 |
| Phreedom | katsmeow-afk: lots of useful info. thanks :) | 04:00 |
| Phreedom | this probably makes boat living not much better than rv | 04:00 |
| fenn | bkero: it's unfortunate that the military is the first to do it, but all i can say is "it's about damn time" | 04:00 |
| Phreedom | katsmeow-afk: you probably can't expect your small boat to safely cross the ocean too :( | 04:02 |
| bkero | Stephen Hadley, the National Security Advisor formed a new division in 2006, the US HAA Line, which took over operation of airship flights. Airships will now prominently display the American flag on their fins and occasionally tour America to indoctrinate people with music and speeches from the air. | 04:02 |
| fenn | well i havent had a good indoctrination in ten years or so | 04:03 |
| bkero | Actually I just ripped that from | 04:03 |
| bkero | Hermann Göring, the Nazi Air minister, formed a new airline in 1935, the Deutsche Zeppelin-Reederei (DZR), which took over operation of airship flights. Zeppelins would now prominently display the Nazi swastika on their fins and occasionally tour Germany to indoctrinate the people with march music and Nazi propaganda speeches from the air. | 04:03 |
| fenn | aha | 04:04 |
| fenn | so did you find a country to escape to yet? | 04:04 |
| bkero | Nope | 04:04 |
| fenn | i was thinking iceland, brazil, thailand. but then iceland went into the shitter | 04:04 |
| fenn | oh and finland maybe | 04:05 |
| bkero | They're all governed by religious folks, have terrible quality of life/abject poverty, or have draconian property laws. | 04:05 |
| fenn | what does 'draconian propertly laws' mean? | 04:06 |
| bkero | Countries aren't going to let me make a cruise missile if I want to :) | 04:06 |
| fenn | oh.. i dont consider that property law | 04:06 |
| bkero | Also there's also the WIPO/IP thing | 04:06 |
| fenn | i dont consider that property law either ;P | 04:07 |
| bkero | What do you consider property law? | 04:07 |
| fenn | right to own things | 04:07 |
| fenn | non-right to mess with other peoples' things | 04:07 |
| bkero | Also ideally I'd like someplace without an extradition policy with the Unitd States. | 04:07 |
| fenn | not many of those | 04:08 |
| bkero | Nope | 04:08 |
| fenn | mars maybe | 04:08 |
| fenn | http://www.usextraditions.org/ | 04:08 |
| fenn | ok it's not funny | 04:08 |
| fenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties | 04:09 |
| bkero | I see Russia isn't on that list. | 04:11 |
| fenn | i wish all the wikipedia images had some explanation exactly how they made them | 04:11 |
| fenn | maps and graphs etc | 04:11 |
| bkero | China, micronesia | 04:12 |
| bkero | I'm beginning to think there's no place for me. :( | 04:12 |
| fenn | now you know why the idea of seasteading is growing in popularity | 04:13 |
| bkero | Humans are land animals though | 04:14 |
| fenn | actually we are amphibians | 04:14 |
| fenn | hence the downturned nose | 04:14 |
| fenn | babies know how to swim etc | 04:15 |
| bkero | We might be innately amphibious, but that doesn't make us amphibian :P | 04:15 |
| fenn | well, um. do you have the buddha nature? | 04:15 |
| bkero | What do you think? | 04:15 |
| fenn | that wasn't a very zen answer | 04:16 |
| bkero | I laugh at the Buddhists too. | 04:16 |
| fenn | i don't. i think they are probably the least dangerous religion, and as such it can be used as a sort of immunity to greater bullshit | 04:17 |
| bkero | With buddhism you'll come back as a duck. With islam, if you're REALLY good you'll come back as a man. | 04:17 |
| fenn | or maybe i just stole that from snow crash | 04:17 |
| bkero | I do love my snowcrash | 04:17 |
| bkero | and Buddhists are mostly useless | 04:17 |
| fenn | i dont understand | 04:18 |
| bkero | If someone's going to punch you really hard in the face, you just stand behind a buddhist. | 04:18 |
| fenn | maybe i am confusing with taoists, but arent they allowed to fight back if it's the right thing to do? | 04:19 |
| bkero | I've never known one to, but perhaps | 04:20 |
| fenn | “There are two schools. To the south we find Therevada Buddhism opposing any sort of violence because they see suffering as a means to liberate people from their own bad karma. On the other hand, the northern school maintains that a bodhisattva ought to be able to protect others – even if it brings suffering to the attacker." | 04:21 |
| bkero | Seasteading seems a lot easier than researching and terraforming something on Barnard's Star | 04:22 |
| fenn | terraforming is so 1940's | 04:23 |
| fenn | actually bernal had the right idea in 1920 even | 04:23 |
| bkero | Which was that? | 04:23 |
| fenn | custom built space habitats | 04:23 |
| fenn | do you want to live in a cave? | 04:23 |
| fenn | no? then why do you want to live on a planet? | 04:23 |
| bkero | Heh | 04:24 |
| bkero | Because planets have tons of fuel | 04:24 |
| fenn | but you have infinite sunlight in space | 04:24 |
| fenn | infinite beats lots by a lot | 04:24 |
| bkero | MTBF of solar collectors isn't forever :P | 04:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | ther realestate in space is the priciest there is tho | 04:25 |
| fenn | i'm not talking about PV | 04:25 |
| bkero | Background radiation? | 04:25 |
| fenn | solar thermal and other wacky schemes | 04:25 |
| fenn | though i bet in 40 years we'll have the whole PV issue wrapped up | 04:26 |
| bkero | Seems a lot harder than finding some combustables :P | 04:26 |
| fenn | not when you don't have an atmosphere to begin with | 04:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | i bet in 40 yrs the air will be so polluted the pv won't work at sea level | 04:26 |
| fenn | you're thinking about it all wrong | 04:26 |
| fenn | bkero: imagine growing algae on orbit is 100% free lunch. should you use it for rocket fuel? | 04:27 |
| * bkero isn't sure he's following | 04:29 | |
| bkero | Use what? Compounds in the atmosphere? | 04:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | so if i have a "price FOB" from China, how close does that get the items thru customs and to me here where i live? | 04:29 |
| bkero | You can save a bundle if you go to an economic free trade zone :0 | 04:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | i do not know how to do that | 04:30 |
| bkero | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_trade_zone | 04:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | i am not there, where ever it is, to accept delivery, i am here | 04:31 |
| bkero | There are 3000 free trade zones around the world | 04:32 |
| bkero | Otherwise you get to pay whatever your countries trumped up import taxes are | 04:32 |
| katsmeow-afk | but i am here, iam not there | 04:33 |
| bkero | Then you get to pay whatever your countries trumped up import taxes are | 04:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | it's sure to be cheaper than flying there and back to get delivery :-| | 04:35 |
| bkero | There's probably one near where you live. | 04:35 |
| bkero | If you just want one thing from china, you request a demo unit, pay a little extra, and they send it to you without import taxes. If you want to buy a shitload of something you find something already in the country, or you go to a free port. | 04:37 |
| katsmeow-afk | like http://ia.ita.doc.gov/ftzpage/letters/ftzlist.html ? | 04:37 |
| bkero | That's the list I was looking at | 04:37 |
| katsmeow-afk | 80 tapered roller bearings, saves me 30% over buying made-in-usa parts | 04:37 |
| bkero | The scale probably isn't worth the effort then | 04:38 |
| katsmeow-afk | i am not sure i want to go with that however, because none i can find are strong enough, but i cannot find a way to keep a single ball type bearing/sleeve lubed under various loads, and not leak grease/oil | 04:39 |
| bkero | It's mostly to avoid the import, duty, and excise taxes. | 04:39 |
| bkero | When we had to use something like that on the solar challenge car we just used a brake master cylinder and a silicone boot. | 04:40 |
| katsmeow-afk | something like what? | 04:40 |
| katsmeow-afk | i need bigger than this: http://www.vxb.com/page/bearings/PROD/HR/Kit7381# | 04:44 |
| bkero | That's a curious part | 04:45 |
| bkero | That looks like an axle carrier | 04:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | with a 3 inch ball, i can count on 100,000lbs per coupling, in any direction | 04:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | but the cost gets outrageous | 04:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | and commercially made ones are very limited range of motion | 04:46 |
| bkero | Is this just to keep a big spinning rod in place? | 04:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | no | 04:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | the 3 inch ones are rated 10 degrees side to side, i want +/- 20 at least | 04:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | they don't make the center ball a true ball, it's flatted | 04:47 |
| bkero | Would a CV joint work? | 04:47 |
| katsmeow-afk | so the seals open up whent he "sleeve" passes over the flat | 04:47 |
| fenn | would a truck driveshaft work? | 04:47 |
| fenn | it's basically just a spherical bearing right? | 04:48 |
| bkero | http://www.automotive-technology.co.uk/downloadable%20files/CV%20joint.jpg | 04:48 |
| katsmeow-afk | cv wold have roller bearings rated 5000lbs, 2 for 10,000lbs,, long way from 100klbs | 04:48 |
| katsmeow-afk | driveshaft universal, same problem | 04:48 |
| fenn | um.. universal joint i mean | 04:48 |
| fenn | what about a really big truck | 04:48 |
| fenn | if you lived in bangladesh you could go to the ship breaking yard | 04:49 |
| katsmeow-afk | i calculate 60,000 lbs side force on the side hulls of my boat, average worst case broadside wave | 04:49 |
| katsmeow-afk | two 5000 lb capacity bearings won't make me happy | 04:49 |
| fenn | what does this do again? | 04:50 |
| bkero | Tripod joint? | 04:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | fenn, instead of ridgid ama-hull-ama spars, i use thos ball joints and let the amas float in a controleld manner | 04:50 |
| fenn | what is an ama spar? | 04:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | i have a design i can allow the ama to run 10ft out of position, and not break off | 04:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | umm,, arms holding side hulls to the center hull of a trimaran | 04:52 |
| fenn | ok | 04:52 |
| fenn | can you use a ginormous piece of rope? | 04:52 |
| katsmeow-afk | can't push a rope | 04:52 |
| fenn | a coil of rope | 04:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | specially after wet | 04:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | how willa rope push the ama back out? | 04:53 |
| fenn | i'm thinking of how to practically make a 50 ton flexture | 04:53 |
| genehacker | have you taken into account rogue waves? | 04:53 |
| bkero | Highest CV joint rating I can find is 10.5k | 04:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | gene, yeas | 04:53 |
| genehacker | wow | 04:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | bkero, hence i am not using CV joints | 04:53 |
| fenn | katsmeow-afk: something like a tensegrity | 04:53 |
| bkero | katsmeow-afk: Find something better? | 04:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | gene, i counted on 20ft of a wall of water near vertical slamming into the side at 90 degrees, and not breaking the ama off | 04:54 |
| genehacker | ok | 04:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | bkero, i already did,i gave the url to a smallversion of it | 04:54 |
| fenn | does the spacing have to be exact or can it be a squishy joint? | 04:55 |
| katsmeow-afk | fenn, define spacing | 04:55 |
| genehacker | a flexure joint? | 04:55 |
| fenn | the distance between surfaces the strut holds apart | 04:55 |
| bkero | .ne skeeos | 04:55 |
| katsmeow-afk | fenn, it will be in ocean water | 04:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | stranded wire rope is contraindicated | 04:56 |
| fenn | ok.. how about a tire with two plates bolted/sealed on either side to make a big pneumatic bladder | 04:56 |
| fenn | like an oversized truck air spring | 04:56 |
| fenn | um.. like the constant volume joints on 1950's spacesuits | 04:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | not enough movement without overstressing the rubber | 04:57 |
| fenn | or some other hydraulic bellows thing | 04:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | technically, the usa coastguard has banned the use of tires in water, even as dock bumpers | 04:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | as of last yr | 04:58 |
| fenn | really? | 04:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | really | 04:58 |
| fenn | because of mosquitoes? | 04:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | they leak oils and such as they break down | 04:58 |
| fenn | insane | 04:58 |
| fenn | what about the gigatons of poison they spray on boats | 04:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | i didn't ask | 04:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | some bottom paints are illegal now too | 04:59 |
| genehacker | it's much cheaper to not use tires than to get rid of the gigatons of poison | 04:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | ok, what gigatons of poison? | 04:59 |
| genehacker | I am assuming boat hull paint | 05:00 |
| katsmeow-afk | o | 05:00 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas,, Califonia is trying to eliminate all toxic boat paints inthe popular big marinas there | 05:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | they are saying the marina silt is a toxic waste dump from paint chips | 05:01 |
| genehacker | hmmm... hope my water doesn't come from a popular marina then(though there are national standards on water quality that dictate the safe amount of heavy metal) | 05:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | even this little one has a strength of 9 tons : http://www.qscomponents.com/34fr.html | 05:07 |
| genehacker | with what safety factor | 05:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | that one? i dunno | 05:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | like i said, if i build for 50tons in the coupling, and it's backed up with a 1 inch thick bulkhead to distribute the load thru the hull plating, i want the coupling pin to break before the hulls are distorted | 05:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | distorted hulls, probably cracked and leaking, will be a pain to fix, but roping the hulls together and making new pins is alot less of a pain | 05:20 |
| fenn | hmm why don't i have a command line japanese dictionary yet | 06:08 |
| kanzure | wordnet? | 06:09 |
| fenn | preferably an actual dictionary | 06:09 |
| kanzure | xjdic | 06:09 |
| fenn | why can't it just use unicode i wonder | 06:10 |
| genehacker | why would you need that? | 06:14 |
| Noahj | Maybe you hate gtk2 | 06:18 |
| Noahj | I don't have a unicode terminal at the moment | 06:19 |
| Noahj | I thought I compiled mrxvt with unicode | 06:20 |
| Noahj | But I guess not | 06:20 |
| Noahj | Oh, I think I need to re-do it with ja set | 06:21 |
| Noahj | Huh. | 06:21 |
| Noahj | I think you might be able to use links and Google translate | 06:21 |
| fenn | yah it's called surfraw and died a pathetic death | 06:22 |
| Noahj | ? | 06:23 |
| Noahj | Surfraw looks like some scripts that interface search engines | 06:23 |
| Noahj | Ah, it has babelfish support | 06:24 |
| genehacker | argh, the imperial system of measurements is killing me | 06:24 |
| fenn | anyway google translate is based on massive data mining, not actual human input | 06:25 |
| fenn | so it isn't guaranteed to be even close to correct | 06:25 |
| genehacker | if they datamine enough eventually they'll have something correct | 06:25 |
| Noahj | Eventually's a bit of a wait | 06:31 |
| Noahj | There're CGI interfaces to... er... edict and such | 06:31 |
| Noahj | http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi | 06:32 |
| Noahj | Which maybe you could prod a bit with curl into doing what you want | 06:32 |
| kanzure | edict is in debian | 06:33 |
| kanzure | not by default but it's there | 06:33 |
| Noahj | http://www.vultaire.net/software/jben/jben2.php.en < maybe this is what you want | 06:34 |
| Noahj | It parses kanjidic | 06:34 |
| kanzure | masten space videos: http://qik.com/NGLLC (they apparently won a recent competition?) | 06:35 |
| genehacker | LCROSS impacts the moon on the 9th | 06:44 |
| kanzure | automatono | 07:06 |
| genehacker | still trying to figure out a name? | 07:10 |
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| kanzure | novodex physics | 08:13 |
| kanzure | http://www.nvidia.com/object/physx_new.html | 08:16 |
| kanzure | http://gpwiki.org/index.php/Novodex | 08:17 |
| kanzure | http://novodex.com/ seems to go to PhySX | 08:18 |
| kanzure | *PhysX | 08:18 |
| fenn | maybe they got bought out | 08:18 |
| kanzure | http://developer.nvidia.com/object/physx.html | 08:18 |
| kanzure | "NOTE: All binary PhysX SDKs are free for commercial and non-commercial uses*" | 08:18 |
| kanzure | "Source Code access for each SDK is available for a fee of $50,000.00 USD per platform and per game or application for the following platforms:" | 08:19 |
| kanzure | http://developer.nvidia.com/object/physx_downloads.html | 08:19 |
| fenn | i think physX is the "do calculations on the gpu" idea | 08:19 |
| fenn | i'm surprised they didnt say 'call for a quote' | 08:19 |
| kanzure | is $50k below the "call for quote" mark? | 08:20 |
| fenn | no not at all | 08:20 |
| fenn | oddly enough it seems the more expensive things are the easier to find the price | 08:20 |
| fenn | because they arent ashamed of it or something | 08:20 |
| kanzure | http://nxogre.org/ "what the back of your head looks like" | 08:22 |
| kanzure | http://github.com/betajaen/nxogre | 08:23 |
| kanzure | http://static.nxogre.org/releases/bloodymess/NxOgre.1.5.5.BloodyMess.zip | 08:23 |
| kanzure | tarbomb | 08:24 |
| kanzure | i guess i could make a swig wrapper to this if we really wanted one | 08:25 |
| kanzure | but the source code to the sdk is not available ($50k is far from "available") | 08:25 |
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| kanzure | http://eugen.leitl.org/pirateprogram.txt | 09:24 |
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| kanzure | http://teh.entar.net/~nick/mail/eugen-leitl-you-can-fuck-right-off-sir | 09:55 |
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| kanzure | http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2008-August/044719.html | 09:58 |
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| kanzure | http://twobits.net/ | 10:11 |
| fenn | rawr | 10:12 |
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| kanzure | christopher kelty | 10:14 |
| kanzure | http://twobits.net/pub/Kelty-complete.html.zip | 10:15 |
| fenn | thanks lazyweb | 10:15 |
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| kanzure | bugs in ode? http://floatingorigin.com/python/physics.html | 12:38 |
| kanzure | huh | 12:39 |
| kanzure | aren't unit tests supposed to check for this? | 12:39 |
| fenn | the proper way to submit a bug report is not to write a webpage about it | 12:43 |
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| kanzure | fenn: he sent it as an email to the pyode developers too | 12:49 |
| kanzure | anyone know how to check this out? https://svn.zeitkunst.org/viewvc/MSThesis/trunk/Creature/simulation.py?view=markup | 12:50 |
| kanzure | gasp someone who wrote code for a thesis | 12:50 |
| kanzure | oh but he's from the media lab | 12:50 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/pyode-samples.zip | 13:02 |
| kanzure | various collected samples | 13:02 |
| fenn | "college is a waste of time and money" as true today as it was in 1975: http://www.grossmont.edu/bertdill/docs/CollegeWaste.pdf | 13:02 |
| fenn | probably more so | 13:02 |
| kanzure | some of them crash on my laptop but i suspect it's for the same reason that pythonocc crashes | 13:02 |
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| fenn | hello immunology person | 13:05 |
| ekaterina | miaow... | 13:06 |
| Noahj | Or immunology cat | 13:07 |
| kanzure | that's not a cat noise | 13:07 |
| ekaterina | Hah. | 13:07 |
| ekaterina | It so is.. unless it's a fat cat..then it's Meuf. | 13:07 |
| fenn | i was sort of hoping the other cat would respond | 13:07 |
| kanzure | ekaterina: hi | 13:08 |
| kanzure | what's up? | 13:09 |
| ekaterina | So, I heard this is a group devoted to world domination? | 13:09 |
| fenn | more like world un-domination | 13:10 |
| kanzure | sometimes it's easier to just go build something else | 13:10 |
| ekaterina | Yes, i would have to agree. | 13:11 |
| Noahj | World deposition | 13:11 |
| ekaterina | I don't particularly want dominion over the earth , since there is really nothing to be proud off. | 13:11 |
| kanzure | one idea is to use free and open source hardware for that | 13:11 |
| ekaterina | Maybe we just need to start with a clean slate. | 13:12 |
| kanzure | (otherwise the tech is all hidden and murky) | 13:12 |
| kanzure | it doesn't look like anyone else is going to get us off this rock so we'll have to do that too | 13:13 |
| ekaterina | No, they're not..which is why extending our lifespans is goal Number 1 | 13:14 |
| ekaterina | solving the unified theory..and intergalactic travel comes later. | 13:14 |
| fenn | gah why is everyone PM'ing me | 13:14 |
| kanzure | sorry fenn | 13:14 |
| kanzure | was just wondering when i wrote this: http://heybryan.org/notes.html | 13:14 |
| fenn | before 2006 apparently | 13:15 |
| kanzure | huh | 13:16 |
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| fenn | Friedhofszwang == cremation? | 13:20 |
| fenn | why is that filed under "personal freedom"? | 13:20 |
| kanzure | ekaterina: so here's our "evil plan": http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb | 13:21 |
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| fenn | heh "Partial immortalization" | 13:43 |
| fenn | "i'm not dead yet!" | 13:43 |
| fenn | amazing | 13:48 |
| fenn | "[DNA barcoding techniques] will ultimately crack down on the widespread and growing international trade in bushmeat, a market estimated to be worth as much as $15 billion" | 13:48 |
| fenn | bushmeat is random wild animal meat | 13:49 |
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| kanzure | fenn: http://www.humanityplus.org/read/2009/10/2009-h-summit/ | 14:41 |
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| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/singularity-summit-people | 14:52 |
| fenn | i will send you all personally targeted spam! | 14:53 |
| fenn | pew pew pew | 14:53 |
| fenn | 'blue light hazard' | 15:20 |
| fenn | i ran across it while researching how to fix my busted sleep clock | 15:20 |
| fenn | speaking of which, good night :0 | 15:24 |
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| kanzure | is anyone going to join fenn and me up at h+ summit? | 16:13 |
| bkero | hmm | 16:15 |
| bkero | Irvine, CA, huh? | 16:16 |
| bkero | kanzure: You're giving a talk, huh? Awesome. | 16:17 |
| kanzure | apparently | 16:17 |
| bkero | Hehe | 16:17 |
| bkero | SKDB :) | 16:17 |
| bkero | Oh damn, $150 | 16:17 |
| kanzure | bkero: you know a speaker | 16:18 |
| kanzure | you should be able to get in for free | 16:18 |
| bkero | :) | 16:18 |
| kanzure | in fact, we could say that you're a speaker | 16:18 |
| bkero | Hehe | 16:18 |
| kanzure | you've been with us since the beginning, right? | 16:18 |
| bkero | I have | 16:18 |
| kanzure | so there you go | 16:18 |
| bkero | Heh heh | 16:18 |
| bkero | I'm not sure I can get down to Irvine | 16:18 |
| bkero | December might change the situation | 16:18 |
| drazak | Hm, sunday I think I'll do some PCR and start an elisa incubating | 16:35 |
| drazak | tomorrow I'll isolate RNA and get the conditioned media for the ELISA | 16:36 |
| * ybit is game for the h+ summit, looks like a fun time | 17:08 | |
| kanzure | ok that's 3 of us | 17:11 |
| ekaterina | well, if enough people attend we can surely have our own secret meeting of doom ... | 17:11 |
| kanzure | we must | 17:11 |
| kanzure | it's a requirement, now | 17:11 |
| ekaterina | only 3...? | 17:11 |
| kanzure | ok, 4 | 17:11 |
| ekaterina | I'll bring the err...... | 17:12 |
| ekaterina | nuclear warhead? | 17:12 |
| kanzure | ok, i'll bring the uranium | 17:12 |
| kanzure | what are we holding the world hostage for? | 17:12 |
| ybit | i'll bring my clone-o-matic just in case we need more attending the secret meeting | 17:13 |
| ekaterina | clone-o-matic!!!....i want one of those.. | 17:13 |
| kanzure | ectogenetic chamber plus IVF? or what? | 17:13 |
| ekaterina | really would speed up my photographic storing of information | 17:13 |
| ekaterina | can we kill them all even if they give us what we want? | 17:14 |
| kanzure | no, we have to be nice | 17:14 |
| ekaterina | grrrr | 17:14 |
| ekaterina | :( | 17:14 |
| ekaterina | Fine, the wait will make that eventual day so much sweeter | 17:14 |
| ekaterina | is there going to be some dress code? | 17:15 |
| kanzure | no clothing | 17:15 |
| ekaterina | gah! | 17:15 |
| ekaterina | lol | 17:15 |
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| ekaterina | I'm not sure the focus would be towards the logistics of our plans if that were to happen | 17:16 |
| kanzure | oh, right | 17:16 |
| kanzure | well anyway, the h+ organizers seem to say to wear whatever | 17:16 |
| ekaterina | right...i guess I'll stick to the mini skirt and knee high leather boots then.. | 17:17 |
| ekaterina | lets not forget the whip | 17:17 |
| ekaterina | really throw people off when i open my mouth | 17:17 |
| * ybit starts to wonder what this secret meeting is about while kanzure is going nude and ekaterina is dressing like one of my many prostitutes | 17:19 | |
| kanzure | wait, wait, what? | 17:19 |
| ybit | is this one of those afk-meetings because i can pass :) | 17:20 |
| kanzure | i guess i have no problems with this | 17:20 |
| ybit | ass-fucking-kanzure, really? | 17:20 |
| kanzure | what? | 17:20 |
| kanzure | where? | 17:20 |
| ybit | in the secret meeting of doom | 17:21 |
| kanzure | the secret meeting of doom is a take-over-the-world meeting | 17:21 |
| ybit | for a sec it sounded like a swinger's club | 17:21 |
| ybit | there's no way asterisk is taking up more mem than firefox | 17:24 |
| kanzure | what are you using asterisk for? | 17:24 |
| ybit | nothing right now, but on occassion i mess around with it since i'm sure it will be handy one day | 17:25 |
| kanzure | how is it? | 17:26 |
| ybit | it works | 17:26 |
| ybit | no complaints so far | 17:26 |
| ybit | ah, htop was sorted by time | 17:27 |
| * ybit is off to do one of those ritualistic acts of celebrating someone's birth | 17:28 | |
| kanzure | gorging yourself with cakes? | 17:28 |
| ybit | that's the plan :) | 17:28 |
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| genehacker2 | singularity summit, now h+ summit | 17:29 |
| genehacker2 | how do you have time for this sort of stuff | 17:30 |
| kanzure | i skip school | 17:30 |
| genehacker2 | oh | 17:30 |
| kanzure | you should try it some time | 17:30 |
| genehacker2 | I am a sleepless zombie | 17:30 |
| kanzure | that doesn't sound healthy | 17:30 |
| genehacker2 | I've had 3 tests so far and a lab report and I'm studying for the 4th one | 17:31 |
| genehacker2 | it's educational | 17:31 |
| kanzure | i've had only two tests | 17:31 |
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| ekaterina | Grah, I had to go actually eat something | 17:32 |
| ekaterina | such a waste of time. | 17:32 |
| genehacker2 | two tests, didn't you go to sing sum over the weekend? I have forgotten the details of what happened before tuesday due to the fact I'm a sleepless zombie | 17:32 |
| kanzure | yes i went to thes ummit | 17:32 |
| kanzure | *the summit | 17:32 |
| kanzure | i met ekaterina there among other mortals | 17:32 |
| kanzure | for a list of people i met: http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/meetlog.txt | 17:33 |
| ekaterina | we'll see who's a mortal once Derya analyzes my blood! | 17:33 |
| genehacker2 | also fluid equations are fucking awesome | 17:33 |
| kanzure | navier stokes? | 17:33 |
| genehacker2 | yeah | 17:33 |
| genehacker2 | it makes sense | 17:33 |
| kanzure | yes they can be fun | 17:33 |
| kanzure | when i first discovered the basic rectangular cross section explanation i freaked | 17:33 |
| genehacker2 | yeah I had that today and acouple days ago | 17:34 |
| genehacker2 | still trying to understand the tensor thing | 17:34 |
| genehacker2 | think I'm going to derive some stuff over the weekend for fun | 17:34 |
| genehacker2 | anyway you're not dropping out of school are you? | 17:35 |
| kanzure | i dunno | 17:35 |
| kanzure | i'm definitely finishing up this semester | 17:35 |
| kanzure | maybe i'll take a break | 17:35 |
| genehacker2 | seriously you really ought to take some of the hard engineering classes | 17:35 |
| kanzure | they won't let me | 17:35 |
| kanzure | maybe i should just show up | 17:36 |
| ekaterina | you two go to the same school together? | 17:36 |
| ekaterina | Oh, how i miss the wonders of Imperial biochem students.....not | 17:36 |
| kanzure | i stumbled across genehacker sometime last year | 17:36 |
| kanzure | we were talking about transhumanism, repraps and world domination | 17:37 |
| ekaterina | just your everyday stuff...i see.. | 17:37 |
| kanzure | pretty much | 17:37 |
| genehacker2 | well one way I've to get their attention is to do really well on the tests and then show up and eat the final | 17:37 |
| genehacker2 | yup | 17:37 |
| genehacker2 | I'm not really myself at the moment | 17:37 |
| ekaterina | that's the only way to do it.. | 17:37 |
| ekaterina | just absolutely ace some test at the beginning of the year | 17:38 |
| ekaterina | how I got by without constantly being reprimanded for reading magazine and not paying any attention | 17:38 |
| genehacker2 | but I want to make DNA synthesizer capable of synthesizing more than 3 gigabases in one go using a DLP projector | 17:38 |
| genehacker2 | if you happen to know anything about the protecting groups used to protect the bases during oligonucleotide synthesis, that would help | 17:39 |
| ekaterina | Unfortunately that's not in my database of information right now | 17:41 |
| ekaterina | I'll really have to pick up pace if i plan to be this data entity you mentioned bryan | 17:41 |
| kanzure | meep | 17:42 |
| genehacker2 | SKDB stuff? | 17:42 |
| kanzure | and the data integration entity | 17:43 |
| ekaterina | Although i suppose the fact that i know more immunology than Derya after 2 weeks is encouraging. | 17:43 |
| kanzure | wait, is it? that sounds more scarry than anything else | 17:43 |
| kanzure | does he know much? | 17:43 |
| ekaterina | haha | 17:43 |
| ekaterina | he knows a lot | 17:43 |
| genehacker2 | immunology eh? | 17:44 |
| ekaterina | he's purposely trying to slow my progress | 17:44 |
| ekaterina | by encouraging me to brainstorm random subjects and not continue photographic absorbtion | 17:44 |
| genehacker2 | got a question then, how the heck do antigen binding sites work | 17:44 |
| ekaterina | well, that depends what antigen binding site you're talking about | 17:45 |
| ekaterina | on which cell of the immune system | 17:45 |
| * kanzure goes to the grocery store | 17:45 | |
| ekaterina | and what antigen is binding.. | 17:45 |
| ekaterina | hahah | 17:45 |
| genehacker2 | interesting | 17:45 |
| kanzure | i think there might be a hydrogen bonding motif involved in some cases? | 17:45 |
| ekaterina | there are non covalent interactions involved basically | 17:46 |
| ekaterina | electrostatic, yes hydrogen, | 17:46 |
| genehacker2 | and how are antibodies for x antigen generated? | 17:46 |
| ekaterina | van der walls | 17:46 |
| kanzure | usually by inoculating a bacteria culture | 17:46 |
| kanzure | or a rabbit | 17:46 |
| ekaterina | you mean in vivo or in vitro.. | 17:46 |
| ekaterina | you mean for clinical use? | 17:47 |
| ekaterina | then kanzure is correct. | 17:47 |
| genehacker2 | after the innoculation part how do cells make the antibody, specifically how do choose the antigen binding site, surely they can't have a library of all possible antigen binding sites and they generate them on the go? | 17:48 |
| ekaterina | the cells you are talking about are called B cells | 17:48 |
| ekaterina | and each B cell is only specific to one antigen | 17:48 |
| ekaterina | or epitope of the antigen | 17:48 |
| ekaterina | a series of amino acids. | 17:48 |
| ekaterina | B cells have immunoglobulins/antibodies on their surface that recognize these antigens, however their activation and differentation into cells that can then produce secretion antibodies requires T helper cell activation. | 17:49 |
| ekaterina | so..they must also meet a T cell that is specific for the antigen they are specific too | 17:50 |
| ekaterina | and the library you mentioned is generated via genetic recombination of the receptors on both B and T cells. | 17:50 |
| ekaterina | they have these segmented genes/modules V, D, J, C.. | 17:51 |
| genehacker2 | and they recombine them into different sequences? | 17:51 |
| ekaterina | that are recombined to give a repetoire around 10 to the power of 6 different kinds of B cells and T cells | 17:51 |
| ekaterina | yes..obbiously this is very condensed | 17:51 |
| ekaterina | the process itself is extremely complicated | 17:51 |
| ekaterina | lots of details....I like details :) | 17:52 |
| genehacker2 | so the modules determine the shape of the antigen binding protein correct? | 17:52 |
| genehacker2 | and allow antibody for almost every protein correct? | 17:53 |
| ekaterina | not quite so specifically, but yes | 17:53 |
| ekaterina | the receptors for the antibodies dont actually differ that much | 17:53 |
| ekaterina | its select amino acids that are changed. | 17:54 |
| genehacker2 | how many amino acids are changed? | 17:54 |
| ekaterina | well, once again this depends what cells we're talking about | 17:54 |
| ekaterina | for example...antigen presenting cells. | 17:55 |
| genehacker2 | what is the lowest amount of antibodies changed | 17:55 |
| ekaterina | ie dendritic cells, macrophages, B cells, present via MHC molecules that pick up the antigent | 17:55 |
| genehacker2 | *amino acids changed | 17:55 |
| ekaterina | the MHC mols all only really differ by about 50 amino acids. | 17:55 |
| ekaterina | it key anchor residues that make the different | 17:55 |
| ekaterina | like MHC class I molecules, usually anchor residues are amino acids 2 and 9 because they make the contact with the peptide. | 17:56 |
| genehacker2 | so can specific antibodies for any protein be made? | 17:57 |
| genehacker2 | using just the set of amino acids that change | 17:57 |
| ekaterina | yes, the immune system is technically capable of generating antibodies for any type of antigen | 17:58 |
| genehacker2 | ok thanks | 17:58 |
| ekaterina | so, how was the grocery shopping kanzure? | 18:00 |
| kanzure | not done yet :) | 18:02 |
| ekaterina | online? | 18:03 |
| ekaterina | or are you just teleporting it all over using your mind? | 18:03 |
| genehacker2 | nah here we download grocery assembly instructions from an online database and have our automatic robot factories make them | 18:05 |
| ekaterina | I would have expected as much | 18:05 |
| genehacker2 | unless of course the grocery in question requires materials which have been depleted, in which case a team of automatic material requisitioning robots is sent out | 18:06 |
| ekaterina | what!!...you don't have the nanotechnology to generate these materials from their individual atoms yet??...How very unprogressive..:) | 18:06 |
| ekaterina | thats really the final step.. | 18:07 |
| ekaterina | then every material gain will become obsolete. | 18:08 |
| genehacker2 | no | 18:09 |
| genehacker2 | we don't need nanotechnology to do this | 18:09 |
| genehacker2 | though individual atom manipulating nanotech would be great | 18:10 |
| genehacker2 | it's just that it's nearly impossible to bootstrap | 18:10 |
| ekaterina | key world being nearly.. | 18:12 |
| ekaterina | word* | 18:12 |
| ekaterina | where theres a concept theres a way.. | 18:12 |
| ekaterina | i'll just be sitting around wating for a while so best work on my anti-aging theories. | 18:13 |
| ekaterina | or help out in crygenics...one or the other. | 18:13 |
| ekaterina | can't help but want the easy frozen for 50 years way out. | 18:13 |
| genehacker2 | actually by nearly impossible, I mean it can be done, it's just that it might take a long time to get there | 18:19 |
| genehacker2 | have you read about making tool tips for nanoassemblers? | 18:20 |
| ekaterina | nope. | 18:20 |
| ekaterina | not in detail anyway | 18:21 |
| genehacker2 | some step involved require a lot of human intervention | 18:23 |
| genehacker2 | and that the human intervention be done in a short time period | 18:23 |
| genehacker2 | I think the figure is that the tool tips made last only about 17 minutes(due to degradation from the few air molecules that weren't removed from the vacuum) and the yield of tool tips is very low | 18:25 |
| genehacker2 | actually if you get frozen now theres a good chance it could take more than 50 years to revive you... | 18:26 |
| kanzure | still not gone yet :( | 18:27 |
| kanzure | fake mom here.. | 18:27 |
| genehacker2 | due to cracking and other annoying process that occur during vitrification that could make informatic recovery harder | 18:27 |
| genehacker2 | anyway if you can figure out how to make cells not die or degrade for long periods without oxygen that'd help... | 18:30 |
| ekaterina | ill just add to to the list of things to do.. | 18:31 |
| genehacker2 | and a cryoprotectant that isn't poisonous... that too | 18:32 |
| ekaterina | :) | 18:33 |
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| * kanzure nom nom on sushi | 19:41 | |
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| bkero | I want sushi :( | 20:27 |
| kanzure | no sushi for you until you write 10k lines of code | 20:27 |
| drazak | rofl | 20:28 |
| drazak | I get to do something new on monday! | 20:28 |
| drazak | ELISA | 20:28 |
| katsmeow-afk | the idiot software? | 20:28 |
| kanzure | no that's eliza | 20:28 |
| katsmeow-afk | k | 20:28 |
| drazak | katsmeow-afk: Enzyme-Linked Immunosorbent Assay | 20:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | i know i entered 3 minutes in the microwave, because i can't do that to the refridgerator | 20:31 |
| drazak | rofl | 20:46 |
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| drazak | kanzure: give me the abstract on openvirgil? | 20:58 |
| kanzure | it's us | 21:05 |
| kanzure | we're fucked :( | 21:05 |
| kanzure | basically openvirgil morphed into openmanufacturing | 21:05 |
| kanzure | skdb is openmanufacturing except "we're actually doing it" | 21:05 |
| drazak | I kinda figured | 21:06 |
| kanzure | i like how when google made "project virgil" paul fernhout immediatley jumped on it and started "doing it for reals" | 21:06 |
| kanzure | hehe | 21:06 |
| kanzure | go open source | 21:06 |
| kanzure | except he doesn't actually do anything | 21:06 |
| drazak | :D | 21:07 |
| drazak | someone was telling me about it | 21:07 |
| drazak | and I'm like | 21:07 |
| drazak | "I know this bryan bishop guy..." | 21:07 |
| drazak | and theybasically said I didn't | 21:07 |
| kanzure | that you didn't know me? | 21:08 |
| drazak | yeah | 21:08 |
| kanzure | haha | 21:08 |
| kanzure | please go on | 21:08 |
| drazak | I kinda pointed to diybio and this channel | 21:08 |
| drazak | and they were like | 21:08 |
| drazak | "oh" | 21:08 |
| kanzure | maybe i have a dopelganger? | 21:08 |
| drazak | I've known you for like 2 years | 21:08 |
| drazak | I dunno man | 21:08 |
| drazak | but on and off for two years I've been hanging out here | 21:09 |
| kanzure | oh shit ieee president at usc | 21:45 |
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| kanzure | hello trey | 22:03 |
| danielcc | hey there | 22:04 |
| danielcc | who all is here? | 22:04 |
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| kanzure | lots of anonymous folks. | 22:04 |
| kanzure | Noahj is in the fab academy | 22:05 |
| kanzure | katsmeow-afk is some chick living on the high seas | 22:05 |
| kanzure | drazak is in a biology lab somewhere | 22:05 |
| kanzure | fenn is sleeping in my closet atm | 22:05 |
| kanzure | various other people | 22:05 |
| danielcc | lol | 22:06 |
| kanzure | genehacker is a mechanical engineering student at ut austin | 22:06 |
| danielcc | since this is involving biology so heavily, i know another guy that might be worth bringing into this project... | 22:06 |
| danielcc | a friend of mine is currently at clemson with a 4.0 in micro biology | 22:07 |
| kanzure | actually i would greatly appreciate anybody you know who knows about "feeds and speeds" | 22:07 |
| danielcc | he he really up to par with how all of these things work | 22:07 |
| kanzure | sure, bring him on in :) | 22:07 |
| kanzure | manufacturing people are desperately needed | 22:07 |
| kanzure | it's hard to find open source software people with experience in manufacturing or engineering | 22:08 |
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| kanzure | (and not software engineering) | 22:08 |
| kanzure | hey wrldpc2 | 22:08 |
| danielcc | most anyone engineering has some experience with manufacturing since it mostly revolves around it | 22:08 |
| kanzure | some people have this "magical thinking" where they just expect manufacturing "to work" | 22:08 |
| kanzure | and thus you get the crappy designs that machinists scratch their head over | 22:09 |
| kanzure | hopefully this can be mitigated | 22:09 |
| danielcc | i might should add i have access to the machine shop at usc.. | 22:10 |
| kanzure | oh cool, i'd love to look at the equipment inventory sometime | 22:10 |
| danielcc | as in i have the key to the front door of one of them... | 22:10 |
| kanzure | i have some lists of different tools and machines in various environments | 22:10 |
| kanzure | for instance, for fablabs: | 22:10 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/doc/BOMs/comparison/fablab.yaml | 22:10 |
| kanzure | techshop: http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/doc/BOMs/comparison/techshop.yaml | 22:11 |
| kanzure | and in general: http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/doc/BOMs/ultimate-tool-buying-guide.yaml | 22:11 |
| danielcc | its mainly a lath and mill for this one... and a random silicon wafer slicer lol | 22:11 |
| kanzure | but it's always good to learn about alternative ways to outfit a shop | 22:11 |
| kanzure | cool. not a crystal puller, though right? | 22:11 |
| danielcc | no that is kept in another part of the lab | 22:12 |
| danielcc | we grow outside of that room | 22:12 |
| kanzure | the ut has too many machine shops to count across campus, but the mechanical engineering shop has a few CNC machines, a row of lathes and mills, a casting area, etc. | 22:12 |
| kanzure | neat, i wasn't expecting that | 22:12 |
| danielcc | and bring the ingots to the machine shop to slice | 22:12 |
| kanzure | i don't think we grow our own crystals | 22:12 |
| kanzure | or if we deal with them at all (not sure) | 22:12 |
| danielcc | the main machine shop has alot more than the sic one but it costs $ | 22:13 |
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| danielcc | have you ever worked on any semiconductor projects? | 22:15 |
| kanzure | just some microprocessor architecture design | 22:15 |
| kanzure | tried to route out the whole semiconductor manufacturing process once for the hell of it | 22:16 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/semiconductor.html | 22:16 |
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| kanzure | huh according to that page i knew QuantumG in 2007? | 22:17 |
| kanzure | (he sometimes shows up in here) | 22:17 |
| danielcc | cool | 22:18 |
| danielcc | how did this project turn out? | 22:19 |
| kanzure | the microprocessor architecture work ended up being a high school presentation in my sophomore year | 22:19 |
| kanzure | got to present to some UT professors, had a blsat | 22:19 |
| kanzure | *blast | 22:19 |
| kanzure | didn't do any simulations, it was mostly boolean algebra and a little VHDL/verilog | 22:19 |
| danielcc | sweet | 22:20 |
| danielcc | the majority of my projects in highschool involved alternative power and high temp furnaces | 22:20 |
| danielcc | i once managed to power a small radio off of a long antenna | 22:21 |
| danielcc | it was kind of neato | 22:21 |
| kanzure | i need to sleep for a while but i'll be back in a few hours | 22:21 |
| kanzure | ybit should keep you entertained for a while :p | 22:21 |
| danielcc | lol | 22:22 |
| danielcc | ok | 22:22 |
| danielcc | it is 11:30 here so i will be leaving soon as well | 22:23 |
| kanzure | feel free to idle | 22:24 |
| danielcc | kk | 22:25 |
| danielcc | either way i'm sure i will catch up with you soon enough | 22:25 |
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| * ybit is through entertaining danielcc | 23:37 | |
| ybit | 23:33 <ybit> please improve pv for me will ya? | 23:37 |
| ybit | 23:33 <danielcc> already on it | 23:37 |
| ybit | 23:34 <ybit> $20k just isn't worth it | 23:37 |
| ybit | 23:34 <danielcc> yeah | 23:37 |
| ybit | 23:34 <danielcc> we have a direct bandgap polymer on the way | 23:37 |
| ybit | 23:34 <danielcc> it is pretty baller | 23:37 |
| ybit | 23:34 <danielcc> also some nice quantum dot cells | 23:37 |
| ybit | 23:35 <danielcc> which use quantum wells and junk... | 23:37 |
| ybit | he promised to tell me more later, so someone hold him to this :P | 23:37 |
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| ybit | oi wrldpc2 | 23:38 |
| * ybit is off to bed | 23:38 | |
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