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| kanzure | ybit: i'll give you an invite the other day | 00:10 |
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| kanzure | genehacker2: not really | 00:10 |
| kanzure | bkero: which coast are you on? | 00:10 |
| kanzure | ybit: er, tomorrow. that's when i get one apparently | 00:10 |
| bkero | kanzure: Left | 00:11 |
| genehacker2 | what do you need the equations for? | 00:12 |
| kanzure | genehacker2: i'd tell you but you'd forget for the thousandth time | 00:16 |
| genehacker2 | ok | 00:17 |
| genehacker2 | the equations describing gears and levers are pretty obvious though | 00:21 |
| genehacker2 | and springs | 00:21 |
| genehacker2 | so for example if you had a spring element, do you need energy stored in deformation, force from deformation, or both? | 00:21 |
| genehacker2 | I guess you need these and distance | 00:29 |
| kanzure | yes | 00:31 |
| genehacker2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooke%27s_law | 00:32 |
| kanzure | yes i am aware of hooke's law | 00:34 |
| genehacker2 | that's what you would use | 00:34 |
| genehacker2 | is this what you are looking for? | 00:34 |
| CIA-23 | skdb: kanzure * r 1894fc5 /import_tools/ (5 files): stl2pov, pov2png, iges2stl, iges2png | 00:35 |
| genehacker2 | making skdb more like thingiverse? | 00:35 |
| kanzure | no thingiverse is just trying to be like skdb | 00:36 |
| kanzure | also thingiverse can't convert from iges to png :) | 00:42 |
| genehacker2 | heh | 00:42 |
| genehacker2 | also on the equation thing couldn't you get the software that campbell made? | 00:43 |
| kanzure | yes but it doesn't work | 00:45 |
| kanzure | also it's in lisp and impossibly hard to read/understand | 00:45 |
| genehacker2 | it doesn't work? | 00:46 |
| genehacker2 | what's the problem with it | 00:46 |
| kanzure | an error that i don't know how to fix | 00:47 |
| kanzure | actually i remember fixing the error | 00:48 |
| kanzure | but it's not obvious what to do next | 00:48 |
| kanzure | and campbell doesn't knwo either | 00:48 |
| kanzure | *know | 00:48 |
| genehacker2 | I think I need to read campbells paper again | 00:48 |
| genehacker2 | can I get a link to it? | 00:54 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/campbell/Matthew_I_Campbell_PhD_Dissertation.pdf | 00:56 |
| kanzure | other papers: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/campbell/A-design%20-%20an%20angent-based%20approach%20to%20conceptual%20design%20in%20a%20dynamic%20environment.pdf | 00:56 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/campbell/A-design%20-%20theory%20and%20implementation%20of%20an%20adaptive,%20agent-based%20method%20of%20conceptual%20design.pdf | 00:56 |
| kanzure | other other papers: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/campbell/ | 00:56 |
| kanzure | oh i guess there's also: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/campbell/The%20A-Design%20approach%20to%20managing%20automated%20design%20synthesis.pdf | 00:57 |
| genehacker2 | I'm wondering how campbell's system handeled linkages | 01:00 |
| genehacker2 | looks like it didn't | 01:05 |
| genehacker2 | perhaps you were trying to find this? | 01:12 |
| genehacker2 | http://www.swarthmore.edu/NatSci/echeeve1/Ref/LPSA/Analogs/ElectricalMechanicalAnalogs.html | 01:13 |
| genehacker2 | WTF | 02:27 |
| genehacker2 | it's possible to have gears that turn in the same direction as they mesh | 02:27 |
| genehacker2 | shit, this is going to give me nightmares until I figure out how the heck that's possible | 02:28 |
| katsmeow-afk | one is inside the other | 02:28 |
| genehacker2 | no | 02:29 |
| genehacker2 | not this weird gear | 02:29 |
| genehacker2 | this special gear can even have one inside the other and turn the outer gear in the opposite direction | 02:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | url? | 02:30 |
| genehacker2 | http://books.google.com/books?id=xcjM2xmxvBAC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=The+Kinematic+Geometry+of+Gearing&source=bl&ots=vOQ97SflJj&sig=njq76l7fa3k5YZoGZE1KzKP9Skk&hl=en&ei=OnzVSvKYDZCIswO2nJTQAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=involute&f=false | 02:30 |
| genehacker2 | see page 42 | 02:30 |
| genehacker2 | I want to make some of them | 02:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | 42 isn't gearing, it's escapement | 02:33 |
| genehacker2 | did you goto page 42? | 02:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | removing teeth from one or two gears for the purpose of allowing extra motion is common in clocks and few things | 02:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas, i am on 42 now | 02:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | hmmm, *fig* 42 is different | 02:35 |
| katsmeow-afk | err, 1.22 | 02:35 |
| katsmeow-afk | wtf | 02:35 |
| genehacker2 | yeah | 02:36 |
| genehacker2 | apparently it was discovered in russia | 02:36 |
| katsmeow-afk | that's gonna be a high fricton device | 02:37 |
| genehacker2 | yeah | 02:37 |
| genehacker2 | dang they don't have much information on them either | 02:38 |
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| ybit | kanzure: thanks, also if you get time today, would you mind helping the diy-h+ archive get started? if you don't have time, maybe just sending a drive to you is easier? | 08:54 |
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| katsmeow-afk | ... | 09:52 |
| kanzure | ybit: please send storage | 10:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | he's at work atm | 10:23 |
| genehacker | kanzure | 10:32 |
| genehacker | gears can turn each other in the same direction | 10:32 |
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| kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/occray/ "python library for generating realistic images from pythonOCC using Yafaray" | 10:51 |
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| kanzure | i wish i knew about that /before/ i wrote iges2png | 11:06 |
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| fenn | kanzure: you suck, sorry | 11:53 |
| kanzure | no go away | 11:53 |
| * fenn finishes his book | 11:54 | |
| fenn | http://craphound.com/overclocked/Cory_Doctorow_-_Overclocked_-_After_the_Siege.html read it if you want | 11:54 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/pythonocc-imagecad notes on figuring out how to take a pixmap from occ | 12:09 |
| kanzure | http://www.geuz.org/gl2ps/ <-- gl2ps | 12:29 |
| kanzure | what is this? it seems to have stuff like gl2psDivideQuad, etc. | 12:30 |
| kanzure | i would expect gl2ps to just take an image | 12:30 |
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| fenn | "I’m more interested in the theory of how to do something than actually doing it. I don’t really have time for reality any more." | 12:51 |
| kanzure | nick taylor? | 12:53 |
| fenn | reprap mendel is out.. looks good to me | 13:00 |
| fenn | dunno how the hell they manage to spend $630 on it though | 13:05 |
| fenn | 300 nuts 200 bolts and 700 washers? | 13:08 |
| fenn | how come we never saw this? | 13:22 |
| fenn | “From the producers that brought you MYTHBUSTERS comes an explosive new series, WEAPONIZERS (3 x 60 min) premiering on Discovery Channel US, May 11, 2009 at 9pm. | 13:22 |
| fenn | This new program combines creativity, military-like strategy and engineering as two teams of master builders — dubbed “Weaponizers” — turn ordinary vehicles into remote-controlled machines of destruction. With the pace and intensity of a video game, the vehicles are completed with live-ammunition machine guns and other seemingly ordinary objects that are transformed into powerful weapons. | 13:23 |
| genehacker | never saw what? | 13:23 |
| fenn | it's like battlebots that doesn't suck | 13:23 |
| kanzure | i saw commercials for that | 13:23 |
| fenn | i don't think i ever saw that show or any advertisements for it | 13:23 |
| kanzure | iges2png output looks like this: http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/pythonocc-tools/bearing.png | 13:24 |
| kanzure | i was using bearing.iges provided with OCC 6.3.0 | 13:24 |
| genehacker | oh shit | 13:25 |
| genehacker | that show | 13:25 |
| genehacker | I never saw that either | 13:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | is it a training film put out by anyone in the "middle east" ? | 13:39 |
| fenn | those darn easterners | 13:41 |
| katsmeow-afk | yep, inventive as the vietnamese | 13:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | or the koreans | 13:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | or,, hmm, otherpeople | 13:42 |
| genehacker | try finding the videos on youtube | 13:44 |
| katsmeow-afk | would that be like furiously waving a big red flag? | 13:44 |
| fenn | they just need to spend more money on it | 13:46 |
| fenn | then middle easterners wont be able to make use of the info | 13:46 |
| fenn | or whoever | 13:47 |
| fenn | blah | 13:47 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas, the usa once put out a "top secret" research paper, disinformation, on a corregated submarine hull | 13:50 |
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| katsmeow-afk | sure it was amazingly strong crosswise, but it would have accordianed under pressure | 13:50 |
| katsmeow-afk | i dunno anyone serious who's have built it, but doing so may have blown the right people's sub budget | 13:51 |
| katsmeow-afk | making wireless mobile bombs is right up that alley: deploy them and anyone can trash the control freqs so they don't work,, but in the meantime someone left a paper trail buying the parts shown in the tv show, and blew gobs of cash doing it | 13:53 |
| fenn | who said anything about wireless | 13:53 |
| katsmeow-afk | <Collossus> There is another. | 13:53 |
| fenn | you can do object recognition on a $100 PC | 13:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | you going to make wired mobile tankbusters? | 13:54 |
| fenn | why the colossus comment? (i saw the movie; i just dont get it) | 13:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | oh, so it will be moving really slowly, inconspicuously, towards the target? | 13:54 |
| katsmeow-afk | the paper trail led to the collusus comment | 13:55 |
| fenn | driving a car isn't that hard if the goal is to blow some shit up | 13:55 |
| katsmeow-afk | yea, but the bigger the miss, the bigger the bomb hasto be | 13:55 |
| fenn | paper trail: some RC servos, a commodity PC, a webcam, some bombs | 13:56 |
| fenn | now they already have the bombs | 13:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | <bomb> is that a usa battle tank or the garage door to a shop? | 13:56 |
| fenn | who cares, it's a warzone | 13:56 |
| fenn | i imagine a tank would be easier to recognize than most things | 13:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | big black object? | 13:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | ok, other colors | 13:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | with all the money bin Laden is purported to have, i can't figure why he's not deployed a single uav, it's not like they can see a small glider at 30kft dropping grenades | 13:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | i dunno, not alot makes much sense about this whole war scenario unless you tune out the politicians | 13:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | hire Korean electronics firms to protect usa bases, they've got track/fire robotics to hide in tree stumps,, 1000 people attack, there's 2 or 3 massive boombooms, and the entire force falls down dead | 14:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | one bullet per attacker | 14:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | but instead, the wrong people die | 14:02 |
| * katsmeow-afk hopes to be the proud owner of a Tektronixs DC503 soon | 14:04 | |
| katsmeow-afk | it will go ito the rack with the FG and DM | 14:04 |
| fenn | are you talking about the samsung sentry gun? | 14:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | most likely, yeas | 14:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | as far as you know :-) | 14:06 |
| fenn | for multiple targets the hedgehog things would work better than a machine gun | 14:09 |
| fenn | forget what they are called IRL | 14:09 |
| katsmeow-afk | hedghogs are sprayer, i was thinking synchronised targetted action | 14:10 |
| fenn | electronically fired bullets stacked in a barrel | 14:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | oh,, i know what you mean, i don't rememmeb the name either | 14:10 |
| fenn | instead of slewing the gun all the way around, you slew so that one barrel aligns with the target, fire then slew another barrel to another target | 14:10 |
| fenn | it's a parallel machine gun instead of a serial machine gun | 14:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | it can fire another bullet instantly as the previous leaves the "barrel" | 14:11 |
| fenn | right | 14:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | ok, either way, just thinking if they are pricision units, the amount of airborn ordinance can be minimal | 14:12 |
| fenn | yes i mean active targeting, not just a bomb that goes off | 14:12 |
| katsmeow-afk | multiple units, synchonous fire, leaveslettle time of actors for return fire,, a sniping of the battlefield, so to speak | 14:13 |
| fenn | can they shoot down bullets yet? | 14:13 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas | 14:13 |
| fenn | i've seen the tank defense shape charge thingies | 14:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | the israelies perportedly can take down bullets from 6 directions with active tank defences | 14:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | they fire a bullet (or 50) to be in the way at about 6ft out from the tank | 14:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | the point was taking out shaped charges coming at them, but it's supposedly much more accurate and fast enough for larger bullets as well | 14:15 |
| fenn | ... and then it explodes, sending out a planar jet, right? | 14:15 |
| fenn | so the bullet doesn't have to be aimed accurately, only timed accurately | 14:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | notmuch info was released | 14:15 |
| katsmeow-afk | right | 14:16 |
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| katsmeow-afk | if you trash the shape of a shaped charge, it's less of a threat to the passive armor, but it also took out 50cal gunfire, to a point,,, the tank could run out of defensive firepower | 14:17 |
| fenn | of course now i have no idea what keywords to find this with | 14:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | and of course, it was pretty dmaging to friendly forces standing about outside the tank | 14:18 |
| fenn | yeah | 14:19 |
| fenn | so is an incoming missile | 14:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas | 14:19 |
| fenn | "active defense" | 14:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | iirc, it was covertly modded to deal with approaching people as well, they supposedly dropped that plan because of public outrage | 14:20 |
| fenn | http://defense-update.com/products/i/iron-fist.htm | 14:20 |
| katsmeow-afk | "i dare you to go over and kick that car's tires" | 14:20 |
| fenn | still, an RPG is not quite the same as a bullet | 14:21 |
| * katsmeow-afk waits on a broswer | 14:21 | |
| fenn | "The system has also been designed to counter tank fired (kinetic) threats." | 14:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | it didn't track small bullets, or respond well to them, but then, i doubt they'd be much of a threat | 14:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | ok, got a browser | 14:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | "Ssystem" ? | 14:23 |
| fenn | can you see videos? | 14:23 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas, but no sound | 14:23 |
| katsmeow-afk | that url says 2 directions, my understanding was 6 max | 14:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | possibly a variable based on speed, timing, size, velocity, etc | 14:25 |
| katsmeow-afk | defending against bullets is prolly not a good idea, it was only said it could target them | 14:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | one belt on a machine gun would consume all the defenses the tank would carry, i imagine, simple wearing it out thru attrition | 14:27 |
| katsmeow-afk | shoot bullets for a minute, then hit it with the rpg | 14:28 |
| fenn | hmm i think ironfist isn't what i was remembering | 14:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | still it was said it could stop them, at least as fast as reloading could happen | 14:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | you wer thnking of that flashfire stop-sign-shaped shotgun thing | 14:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | it wasn't said to be able to stop bullets tho, only fire the entire "magazine" in a split sec | 14:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | 25,000 per minute, but then it didn't carry 25,000 bullets either | 14:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | the video showed it fire all at once, as fast as humans could see it was a short roar and the plate was instantly surrounded by somke | 14:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | smoke | 14:32 |
| * kanzure pokes Aspect_PixMap | 14:32 | |
| katsmeow-afk | i'd suspect that much recoil would make for bad aiming | 14:32 |
| katsmeow-afk | bbl | 14:35 |
| fenn | now this is just a cool video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH0Hr1RrV-8 | 14:35 |
| kanzure | what does this do? | 15:20 |
| kanzure | short hi = static_cast<short>(window_handle >> 16); | 15:20 |
| kanzure | short lo = static_cast<short>(window_handle); | 15:20 |
| kanzure | i forget my bitshifting (>>) knowwhathow | 15:20 |
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| fenn | low is the 16 LSB | 15:27 |
| fenn | hi is the MSB | 15:27 |
| fenn | >> 16 moves the bits to the right | 15:28 |
| fenn | <short> chops it off at 16 from the right side, i guess | 15:28 |
| katsmeow-afk | and your humor for the day: Microsoft Corp. issued a record number of security patches for its software Tuesday as part of its regular monthly update. | 15:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | The software maker plugged 34 holes and designated most of them "critical," Microsoft's most severe rating. Among them are fixes for Windows Vista, Windows XP, Windows 2000 and even Windows 7, which doesn't go on sale to consumers until Oct. 22 | 15:30 |
| fenn | egad.. "advanced light-water reactor designs, costs about $1,500 per kilowatt electric" | 15:32 |
| katsmeow-afk | how long does it run? | 15:32 |
| fenn | probably 25 years or so | 15:32 |
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| fenn | still seems unreasonably expensive to me | 15:32 |
| fenn | "A widely discussed cost goal for new (Generation III and IV) nuclear plant projects is $1,000 per kWe. Achievement of this aim would make them competitive (on a unit-cost basis) with the most economical alternative, the combined-cycle natural gas plant." | 15:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | it is, it's $0.00685 kwh over 25 yrs | 15:33 |
| fenn | there are operating costs too, in addition to construction costs | 15:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | the natural gas plant isn't including fuel, i bectcha | 15:34 |
| fenn | also much of the cost of electricity is in getting it to your door | 15:34 |
| * katsmeow-afk nods | 15:34 | |
| fenn | neither is the nuclear plant | 15:34 |
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| katsmeow-afk | and the intentional heating of the power lines in summer to keep the ice from weighing them down | 15:34 |
| fenn | unless it's a breeder reactor (there arent many of them) | 15:34 |
| fenn | i how does that work? | 15:35 |
| katsmeow-afk | huh? | 15:35 |
| fenn | intentional heating | 15:35 |
| katsmeow-afk | oh, deliberate undersizing the lines, it doesn't help a damn in summer, tho it's been known to sag the wires and set trees on fire | 15:36 |
| fenn | um. ok | 15:36 |
| fenn | i figured that was to save on copper costs | 15:36 |
| fenn | but they use aluminum right | 15:37 |
| fenn | anyway sounds like a terrible idea | 15:37 |
| katsmeow-afk | when it 80% or more is wasted on a line from Oregon to So Cal, copper costs vs fuel arguement doesn't work | 15:37 |
| ybit | anyone ever see this? | 15:38 |
| ybit | http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/ | 15:38 |
| ybit | 'principia cybernetica' | 15:39 |
| katsmeow-afk | i have, looks different now tho | 15:39 |
| bkero | Heh | 15:39 |
| ybit | it was mentioned in one of the podcasts i listened to today | 15:40 |
| fenn | looks like bullshit philosophy. am I wrong? | 15:40 |
| ybit | ..by nova spivack, from his 2008 sing. summit speech | 15:41 |
| ybit | ..on collective intel. | 15:41 |
| ybit | fenn: don't know, just got there, haven't read it all yet | 15:41 |
| katsmeow-afk | i thought , yrs ago,it was the ravings of a newbie | 15:42 |
| katsmeow-afk | i dunno now, will look tonite | 15:42 |
| * katsmeow-afk goes back outside to make more roof | 15:43 | |
| fenn | ok they have some awareness of modern science, but WHY | 15:46 |
| fenn | heh "hypercard.acgi" | 15:47 |
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| ybit | yay for google wave, booh that there's nothing to do with it | 15:56 |
| fenn | "In 2006 scientists at Columbia University asserted that up to one fifth of all schizophrenia cases are caused by prenatal infections." | 16:00 |
| fenn | influenza, in particular | 16:00 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/pythonocc-imagecad | 16:05 |
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| fenn | kanzure: http://pastebin.ca/1620568 | 16:11 |
| fenn | i dunno wtf you did to your computer | 16:11 |
| kanzure | http://pastebin.com/f659d1010 | 16:12 |
| fenn | i wish laptops just had regular computer hardware in them | 16:16 |
| drazak | you guys are war mongers | 16:17 |
| fenn | drazak read "after the siege" | 16:18 |
| fenn | the point is that witholding patented drugs is as bad as war | 16:18 |
| fenn | or something like that | 16:19 |
| drazak | I meant all the stuff about tanks and whatever | 16:20 |
| fenn | well sorry for discussing "forbidden subjects" | 16:20 |
| fenn | please go stick your head back in the sand | 16:21 |
| drazak | didn't say it was forbidden | 16:22 |
| drazak | just said that you guys are war mongers | 16:22 |
| fenn | if people routinely comment in a negative way on the fact that you are talking about a particular subject, it might as well be forbidden | 16:23 |
| fenn | in the anarchy that is IRC, social norms are all that we have | 16:23 |
| drazak | I dunno about that | 16:37 |
| drazak | war monger isn't negative | 16:38 |
| drazak | it's just an observation | 16:38 |
| fenn | warmongering - a policy of advocating war | 16:39 |
| fenn | was i advocating war? | 16:40 |
| drazak | I wasn't talking necessarily about you | 16:40 |
| drazak | but they were talking about machines used in war | 16:40 |
| drazak | and how they could be improved | 16:40 |
| drazak | thus continuing the cycle of war and peace | 16:40 |
| fenn | there is no cycle of war and peace.. we've been at war since 1770 | 16:41 |
| fenn | anyway, i like to know how technology works | 16:41 |
| fenn | a good lot of technology is only found in weapons | 16:41 |
| fenn | i'd rather it weren't so | 16:42 |
| drazak | well then that's different, I apologize for calling you a warmonger | 16:44 |
| fenn | drazak: do you really think improved weapons are what continues war? | 16:46 |
| fenn | sure, they increase overall spending, but that's not really what matters, is it | 16:47 |
| drazak | lemme see if I still have this thing that I kinda wrote one day | 16:49 |
| drazak | about weapons and their ability to make war less personal and more destructive because they make it less of a moral decision | 16:50 |
| drazak | and crap like that | 16:50 |
| fenn | i'm not sure that's always true | 16:52 |
| fenn | recent improvements in remotely piloted vehicles can get you right up in the other guy's face | 16:52 |
| drazak | well | 16:53 |
| fenn | and even primitive tribes have serious social obligations, making it less of a decision (distributing blame) | 16:53 |
| drazak | this was like a year ago | 16:53 |
| drazak | before I was in the know on a lot of things | 16:53 |
| drazak | it's rather rambly, if I can dig it up | 16:53 |
| fenn | i remember watching a clip from iraq with a kid driving a car full of explosives at a checkpoint.. they blew up the front of the car with a bradley's main cannon but he was still alive | 16:55 |
| fenn | so they went to check it out with a robot.. he's trapped in the wreckage, praying, banging his head on the steering wheel because he fucked up.. they hit him with the cannon again | 16:55 |
| fenn | this time there's nothing left | 16:56 |
| fenn | tell me that's not personal | 16:56 |
| fenn | he was probably 16 or 17 | 16:57 |
| fenn | kanzure: gillez tran, oyonale.com | 17:05 |
| fenn | gilles* | 17:05 |
| fenn | he doesn't really use pov-ray anymore, i've noticed | 17:06 |
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| genehacker | covert submarines? now we aren't talking about going captain nemo now are we? | 17:11 |
| genehacker | tankbusters? | 17:12 |
| genehacker | everyone knows the easiest way to cripple an abrams tank is to hit the tank treads with a REDACTED | 17:13 |
| genehacker | http://imgur.com/MTzja.jpg | 17:19 |
| genehacker | how it's done in africa | 17:19 |
| fenn | genehacker: where's the oil-soaked cloth insulation? it's not afrighetto enough! | 17:28 |
| genehacker | it's effective | 17:29 |
| fenn | i built one of those and could never get it to work | 17:29 |
| genehacker | it's a welder built from nothing, which I find amazing. | 17:29 |
| fenn | the electrode would weld itself to the workpiece and heat up all along its length | 17:30 |
| fenn | maybe i just suck at stick welding | 17:30 |
| fenn | do you know how they made the laminations? | 17:30 |
| genehacker | no | 17:31 |
| genehacker | I found this on the internet | 17:31 |
| fenn | i would at least add a handle to pick it up | 17:32 |
| genehacker | I | 17:32 |
| genehacker | 'd add something ferromagnetic for the transformer core | 17:32 |
| fenn | the laminations are made of sheetmetal | 17:33 |
| genehacker | oh | 17:33 |
| fenn | they are wrapped in paper to prevent eddy currents | 17:33 |
| genehacker | I failed to notice that | 17:34 |
| fenn | (i think) | 17:34 |
| genehacker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qIE0EVZSQg | 17:34 |
| fenn | no, no paper, now that i look at it | 17:35 |
| fenn | looks like a pencil sharpener | 17:35 |
| genehacker | it's paradoxical gear | 17:37 |
| fenn | i guess | 17:38 |
| fenn | isn't it just a geneva mechanism wrapped around a helix? | 17:38 |
| fenn | does it actually transmit torque? | 17:39 |
| genehacker | yes I think so | 17:39 |
| genehacker | http://imgur.com/k2X0x | 17:39 |
| genehacker | it makes this make sense | 17:39 |
| fenn | they show the two gears being separated, meaning they're driven individually from outside | 17:39 |
| drazak | woohoo pcr machine stopped beeping | 18:25 |
| ybit | grr "The Social Engineering Knowledge Database (SKDB) fosters a distributed network of software, people, " :P | 18:38 |
| bkero | Oooo | 18:39 |
| bkero | Sounds important | 18:39 |
| ybit | "See http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/eventinfo/bpcs09/ for information about the IEET’s Biopolitics of Popular Culture Seminar, to be held Friday December 4 2009 in the same venue." | 18:40 |
| ybit | no thanks i'm good | 18:40 |
| bkero | I see Bryan Bishop was wayy too grizzly to put up there. :) | 18:41 |
| kanzure | where? | 18:42 |
| bkero | I guess that's a difference conference. | 18:44 |
| kanzure | i tend to ignore ieet | 18:46 |
| ybit | where are you ladies and gents staying at for the h+ summit? /me is figuring out details atm and calling ahead/purchasing stuff | 18:46 |
| ybit | btw, the hdd will be shipped tomorrow kanzure, post office was closed | 18:47 |
| kanzure | ybit: my mom's boyfriend is a travel agent and can get you some good deals if you'd like | 18:48 |
| ybit | those still exist? o.O | 18:48 |
| kanzure | haven't looked around yet but was figuring i'd just crash someone's house | 18:48 |
| kanzure | apparently | 18:48 |
| kanzure | it's.. convoluted. | 18:48 |
| ybit | well it couldn't hurt to ask him, i was looking at kayak.com for tickets and couchsurfing for a roof | 18:49 |
| ybit | so if you want to ask him, go right ahead, maybe he can get me a decent deal. | 18:49 |
| kanzure | ok | 18:51 |
| kanzure | i figure there must be one or two people we know in LA who would be willing to house us | 18:51 |
| kanzure | er, couch us | 18:51 |
| kanzure | house is optional :) | 18:51 |
| bkero | I know some folks in SLO and SD. Nobody in LA. :( | 18:54 |
| bkero | You could also stay at a hotel. That's nice and cheap. | 18:54 |
| * ybit would love to visit s.f. while i'm out that way, i've always wanted to live there, because of the 66F weather throughout the year | 18:54 | |
| kanzure | wtf is it too much to ask for a listing of my friends on facebook by geographic location? jeebus | 18:55 |
| ybit | it was boston until i decided that 66 was the perfect temperature for me, then i decided on a coruna and now i just don't give fsck | 18:55 |
| ybit | jeebus is fun to say btw | 18:55 |
| kanzure | yes it is | 18:56 |
| ybit | there's a cali channel on freenode, i'm going to go bother some people there | 18:56 |
| ybit | #ubuntu-california | 18:57 |
| kanzure | huh i have no friends in la :( | 18:58 |
| genehacker | you could make some | 18:59 |
| ybit | that's because no one there can _read_ | 18:59 |
| ybit | (kidding) | 18:59 |
| drazak | I have friends all over LA | 19:00 |
| genehacker | you should pay a vist to tyrell corporation and see what they're doing with H+ | 19:01 |
| drazak | tyrell | 19:02 |
| drazak | lol | 19:02 |
| drazak | do androids dream of electric sheep much? | 19:02 |
| genehacker | androids? | 19:02 |
| genehacker | tyrell corporation doesn't make androids | 19:03 |
| genehacker | they make replicants | 19:03 |
| drazak | the original book was entitled do androids dream of electric sheep | 19:04 |
| drazak | :) | 19:04 |
| genehacker | anyone know if stem cells differ on a subcellular level from other types of cells? | 19:05 |
| drazak | yes | 19:05 |
| drazak | they do | 19:05 |
| drazak | but what kind of stem cell specifically? | 19:05 |
| drazak | (all cells are different subcellularly :P) | 19:05 |
| genehacker | embryonic | 19:05 |
| genehacker | do embryonic stem cells have organelles that other cells don't have? | 19:06 |
| drazak | ESC's have some different proteins they express, some they don't express, different TF's, probably different ammounts of different tRNAs than other cells | 19:06 |
| drazak | not really different organelles | 19:07 |
| drazak | they have a couple different membrane proteins | 19:07 |
| genehacker | ok friend was wondering | 19:07 |
| drazak | not that I know of anyway | 19:08 |
| kanzure | when you use mesa in sw mode, what does it do with $DISPLAY? | 19:08 |
| drazak | nfc | 19:09 |
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| kanzure | hello Goose|Laptop | 19:15 |
| Goose|Laptop | hello kanzure! | 19:15 |
| kanzure | what's up? | 19:16 |
| Goose|Laptop | in child development, taking notes on mostly common sense stuff :P | 19:16 |
| Goose|Laptop | and you? | 19:16 |
| kanzure | tracking down Graphic3d_GraphicDevice::Graphic3d_GraphicDevice in opencascade | 19:17 |
| Goose|Laptop | :D oh nice | 19:17 |
| Goose|Laptop | are you writing a CAD program? | 19:17 |
| kanzure | something like that yes | 19:18 |
| kanzure | opencascade is the CAD kernel | 19:18 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb | 19:18 |
| Goose|Laptop | ahh, very cool :D | 19:20 |
| Goose|Laptop | that's a brilliant idea | 19:22 |
| kanzure | so, how'd you find us? | 19:24 |
| Goose|Laptop | I'm a highschool friend of genehacker | 19:24 |
| genehacker | does your reprap work yet? | 19:24 |
| Goose|Laptop | :P not yet | 19:24 |
| Goose|Laptop | mechanically complete | 19:25 |
| Goose|Laptop | but I'm having firmware trouble involving the endstops | 19:25 |
| Goose|Laptop | can't get the firmware to invert them | 19:25 |
| Goose|Laptop | I'm going to upgrade to the latest electronics around Christmas | 19:25 |
| Goose|Laptop | Found a small test program to move all the axes until they hit the endstops...discovered that everything works, minus inverting the endstops | 19:31 |
| genehacker | reverse the polarity | 19:32 |
| genehacker | huh? there appears to be an angry mob holding torches outside my dorm... | 19:33 |
| Goose|Laptop | oh cool :D | 19:33 |
| Goose|Laptop | yeah, I tried that too | 19:33 |
| Goose|Laptop | no dice | 19:33 |
| Goose|Laptop | I should try it again though | 19:33 |
| Goose|Laptop | I might have messed the pinout up | 19:33 |
| ybit | l.a. is supposedly an hour away from irvine, so maybe l.a. isn't the best location | 19:37 |
| ybit | ..to rest | 19:37 |
| ybit | 18:58 < kanzure> huh i have no friends in la :( | 19:44 |
| ybit | alex lightman is in irvine i believe | 19:44 |
| * ybit has 11 friends in l.a. according to facebook and i actually know one of them, we were good pals growing up. actually know another guy, but don't feel like name-calling atm | 19:56 | |
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| ybit | who is jeremiah petit? | 22:02 |
| ybit | Jeremiah Petit | 22:03 |
| ybit | Going to the H+ summit? If we get enough people we could just get a hotel room for a few days and split the cost to make it nice and simple. | 22:03 |
| ybit | that's his comment on my facebook status message requesting someone to stay with in Irvine | 22:04 |
| ybit | he has a point, fenn, kanzure, that's 4 of use attending and the recommended hotel is $90/night | 22:04 |
| ybit | s/use/us | 22:05 |
| ybit | arxiv.org/abs/0910.2159: An Electromagnetic Black Hole Made of | 22:13 |
| ybit | Metamaterials | 22:13 |
| ybit | holy fscking bejeebus, i laughed in excitement like a classical mad scientist when i read that | 22:14 |
| ybit | notice also these chinese students aren't in american uni | 22:16 |
| ybit | o noes! work done by a chinese in another country, also notice it's in english too :) | 22:17 |
| ybit | i almost feel bad for purchasing an freerunner after seeing the n900 in action | 22:35 |
| ybit | and looking at its hardware specs | 22:35 |
| ybit | but then i saw the price and realized the freerunner is amazing again :) | 22:36 |
| ybit | tweet tweet tweet to sleep | 22:43 |
| bkero | Irvine is kind of a long way to go for me :/ | 23:06 |
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