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| ybit | 00:12 <ybit> what file takes the yaml and converts it to step? | 00:14 |
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| ybit | 00:13 <ybit> does it exist... | 00:14 |
| ybit | 00:13 <ybit> so what paths.py was doing was grabbing the step files from the lego packages and simply trying to match them up | 00:14 |
| ybit | 00:14 <ybit> you two haven't gotten to converting yaml to step | 00:15 |
| ybit | you two == kanzure, fenn | 00:15 |
| kanzure | step as in iso 10303-21? | 01:00 |
| kanzure | step and yaml are doing two different things in skdb at the moment | 01:01 |
| kanzure | there is no yaml representation of CAD elements if that's what you mean.. all of the geometry is in the .step files | 01:01 |
| genehacker | a thin liquid jet traveling at mach 1 is safe amirite? | 01:33 |
| bkero | Confirm/deny: Everybody loves a loser. | 01:42 |
| Noahj | Deny, there's no one everyone loves | 02:09 |
| bkero | every1 luvs jesus rite | 02:16 |
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| katsmeow-afk | lol | 02:30 |
| katsmeow-afk | @ bkero | 02:30 |
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| ybit | kanzure: if there is no yaml representation of cad elements, what exactly were you meaning by mockup then? | 07:58 |
| kanzure | a mockup is a template page with filled in data not necessarily dynamically generated | 08:01 |
| kanzure | so for instance a mockup of a lego package view might show a picture of the lego step file (a screenshot, for now, even) | 08:01 |
| ybit | that's still confusing to me, because you already have pictures of lego step files at skdb.freefab.org (skdb.html) | 08:10 |
| ybit | the pictures showing part mating | 08:11 |
| ybit | each part is an individual step file (you know this) | 08:11 |
| ybit | ping, kanzure | 08:15 |
| ybit | 21:37 < kanzure> the idea was to show an image of the cad file on the package pages and part pages | 08:23 |
| ybit | so you are wanting package and part pages with screenshots/mockups of the different lego parts available atm.. | 08:23 |
| kanzure | just one page. | 08:45 |
| kanzure | nevermind. this is easy and doesn't require this much overhead. | 08:45 |
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| ybit | haha, there's no overhead, i just didn't understand what you were saying | 09:05 |
| ybit | irc, ya know, it happens | 09:06 |
| kanzure | where are my days going? | 09:12 |
| ybit | toward saving humanity, i thought | 09:17 |
| ybit | you're not considering Brain's thinking are you? ;) | 09:18 |
| kanzure | i think the last time i checked it was september | 09:19 |
| ybit | kanzure: how up-to-date is /doc/todo? | 09:21 |
| kanzure | it doesn't include cherrypy todo but otherwise it's good | 09:22 |
| kanzure | "fix BoundingBox" is a little old, fenn sorta did that | 09:22 |
| kanzure | the "stuff to package" is still very accurate :) | 09:23 |
| ybit | :) | 09:23 |
| kanzure | >>> "hello world".rstrip(" " + "world") | 09:38 |
| kanzure | 'he' | 09:38 |
| kanzure | rawr! wtf | 09:38 |
| kanzure | same with "hello world".rstrip(" world") | 09:39 |
| kanzure | oh well. split and join it is.. | 09:42 |
| ybit | sudo apt-get install libopencascade-visualization-dev libopencascade-ocaf-dev \ opencascade-wok opencascade-draw scons python-gccxml gccxml | 09:52 |
| ybit | python-gccxml needs to go, it isn't even in debian | 09:53 |
| ybit | pytyonocc needs a .deb | 09:53 |
| * ybit is working on autoinstall | 09:53 | |
| ybit | i.e. skdb.deb | 09:53 |
| kanzure | i updated the installation notes for pythonocc in skdb/doc/compile_pythonOCC to reflect latest experiences and info on the dokuwiki | 09:54 |
| kanzure | skdb.deb would be neat but it might be easier to do a python egg (i.e. just deal with setup.py) | 09:55 |
| kanzure | and then there's an easy_deb python utility to autopoop .deb's of python eggs | 09:55 |
| ybit | http://www.8bitpeoples.com/discography/zip/8BP098 :: not bad | 09:58 |
| kanzure | have you been reading http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/music/8bit ? | 09:58 |
| ybit | nope | 10:00 |
| ybit | you need to include 8GB on that list | 10:00 |
| ybit | http://www.8bitpeoples.com/discography/zip/8BP093 | 10:01 |
| ybit | and cornbeast: http://www.8bitpeoples.com/discography/zip/8BP094 | 10:01 |
| kanzure | 8bit trash is a BAD idea | 10:02 |
| ybit | vim - microchips | 10:05 |
| ybit | hehe | 10:05 |
| ybit | i created a stupid video back in the day with vim's 8bit xmas mix | 10:06 |
| kanzure | iayd "physics" isn't bad though. | 10:06 |
| kanzure | i didn't expect anyone to actually listen to this | 10:06 |
| kanzure | i'm surprised you know them | 10:06 |
| ybit | i'm surprised there aren't more people that listen to it | 10:07 |
| kanzure | it's kind of for robots only | 10:07 |
| ybit | skdb-dev@freefab.org forwards to yours and fenn email as well | 10:07 |
| kanzure | oh joy | 10:10 |
| kanzure | :p | 10:10 |
| kanzure | any progress on a .deb? | 10:15 |
| ybit | sorry, was reading wired | 10:18 |
| ybit | kanzure: but feel free to edit this as you see fit: http://pastebin.com/mc3f5afe | 10:19 |
| kanzure | er are you just making the description file for the .deb? there's actually a fairly involved sequence of commands the debian peeps want you to follow | 10:20 |
| kanzure | i was following their tutorials but got sleepy | 10:20 |
| ybit | no that's the description, i figure you know the dependencies better than myself | 10:21 |
| kanzure | anyway, the first sentence in the description sounds lame. how about "open source hardware package manager" or something | 10:21 |
| ybit | done | 10:21 |
| kanzure | the dependencies are basically everything in the pythonocc install notes plus: units, python-graph (python-igraph?), i think that's it | 10:22 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure you're right about python-gccxml not being needed? | 10:22 |
| ybit | that pastebin was wrong, my bad | 10:24 |
| ybit | oh well | 10:24 |
| * ybit backtracks | 10:31 | |
| ybit | probably should follow prcisely what debian.org says and not tldp.org | 10:32 |
| kanzure | incomplete notes on debian packaging: http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/debian-packaging | 10:33 |
| ybit | 0% [1 libc-bin 40960/694kB 5%] 3413B/s 1h18min24s | 10:45 |
| ybit | o.O | 10:45 |
| kanzure | hm i wish i could nest optfunc.run() calls | 10:57 |
| kanzure | paul fernhout sends: http://clojure.org/ | 10:57 |
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| ybit | you know with such rapid development, i don't know if a debian package makes sense | 11:12 |
| ybit | hi genehacker | 11:12 |
| ybit | git clone is the way to go imho | 11:13 |
| kanzure | most projects have a script that builds a debian package for them | 11:14 |
| ybit | good, and i'll just create an autoinstall.sh real quick | 11:14 |
| kanzure | i dunno if autoproject and python's setup.py are compatible or if they play nice | 11:15 |
| ybit | scons wasn't needed was it | 11:32 |
| kanzure | i used it for pythonOCC<0.3 | 11:32 |
| kanzure | but setup.py worked on 0.3 for me | 11:33 |
| ybit | http://freefab.org/install.html | 12:08 |
| kanzure | hrm how do i turn off your css | 12:12 |
| ybit | now look at it | 12:13 |
| kanzure | it's too hard to read the actual text. | 12:13 |
| ybit | i.e. Refresh that mo' | 12:13 |
| ybit | the text is too small? | 12:13 |
| kanzure | it's like size pt 8 | 12:13 |
| ybit | i think the default was 11 | 12:13 |
| ybit | wait, no it's 12 | 12:14 |
| kanzure | btw you might want to edit http://freefab.org/autoinstall to put the user in a new directory so we don't tarfuck them | 12:14 |
| * ybit takes a look | 12:14 | |
| ybit | heh, alright | 12:14 |
| ybit | wait, pythonocc extracts into its own dir | 12:15 |
| ybit | and the script changes to that dir | 12:15 |
| kanzure | eventually we'll clean up the script | 12:17 |
| kanzure | i'd like a ./configure, make, make install (i.e. autoproject setup) pattern going on here, since there are some values you have to configure, like where to put things | 12:17 |
| ybit | todo later today (after yet another bday party): mv freefab to cherrypy and cheetah | 13:15 |
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| kanzure | jijiutoBUtopiah: do you know nonifier.ovh.net? | 14:14 |
| Utopiah | was that a sentence? | 14:16 |
| kanzure | maybe. davinci was acting up. anyway, what is ovh.net and why are you on it? | 14:17 |
| Utopiah | cheapest most reliable french (and maybe european) host for dedicated servers | 14:18 |
| Utopiah | never had any problem and pay 13e/month for 1,2G/512MB/50Gb without quota | 14:18 |
| Utopiah | (dedicated, not VPS) | 14:19 |
| Utopiah | netboot, own kernel, whatver you want, works well | 14:19 |
| Utopiah | (plus I might be bias but there is no recommendation for me so I won't gain anything if you use it or not) | 14:20 |
| Utopiah | s/I/it/ | 14:20 |
| Utopiah | cf http://www.ovh.com/fr/produits/rps1.xml (100mbits line) | 14:21 |
| kanzure | i see. i recognized it because opencascade.org is hosted on ovh, IIRC | 14:25 |
| Utopiah | very likely, I think since few years now it became a major datacenters in Europe | 14:26 |
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| ybit | oi fenn | 16:27 |
| Utopiah | (Beyond Tomorrow: 3D printers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-oW_kRST0o June 2009) | 16:32 |
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| kanzure | ybit: http://freefab.org/ | 17:37 |
| ybit | yeah what happened? | 17:38 |
| kanzure | i de-fucked it | 17:38 |
| kanzure | on that note, why is the banner 1024px wide? | 17:38 |
| ybit | lol | 17:38 |
| ybit | that isn't defucked | 17:38 |
| kanzure | didn't yo momma ever tell you to never use absolutes in CSS? | 17:38 |
| ybit | http://imgbin.org/images/876.png | 17:39 |
| ybit | "why does this site's layout suck so much?" because you f'd it good and hard a few mins ago? | 17:41 |
| ybit | :P | 17:41 |
| kanzure | i think it looks better. | 17:42 |
| kanzure | less absolutes | 17:42 |
| kanzure | less massive 1024x400+ image | 17:42 |
| kanzure | dunno why you made it 1024px when it doesn't even fit on your screen though | 17:42 |
| ybit | haha, it fit fine before | 17:43 |
| kanzure | you're welcome to mess it back up if you want to | 17:45 |
| ybit | http://imgbin.org/images/877.png | 17:45 |
| ybit | compare | 17:45 |
| ybit | the navbar css is suckage | 17:46 |
| ybit | and the footer needs to extend to the edges | 17:46 |
| ybit | also the the buttons need some type of highlighting method | 17:46 |
| ybit | the plan was... | 17:47 |
| ybit | mv ff to cherrpy/cheetah | 17:47 |
| ybit | mochikit ajax transitions or the css transitions kanzure mention | 17:47 |
| ybit | logins and nowwiki | 17:47 |
| ybit | a walkthrough on building stuff and editing docs | 17:47 |
| ybit | video explaining what ff is | 17:47 |
| ybit | when mochikit or css transition gets thrown in, the buttons/links are being edited | 17:48 |
| ybit | and i think another page called 'build' needs to between 'install' and 'share' | 17:48 |
| ybit | but i'll take a look at your source | 17:48 |
| ybit | it might be less thrown together then mine | 17:49 |
| ybit | kanzure: you did get the footer the entire width, wtf did i do wrong | 17:59 |
| ybit | booking from southwest.com is cheaper than travelocity and kayak | 17:59 |
| ybit | $134 each way | 18:00 |
| kanzure | you can set margin-left and margin-right to 0, for instance | 18:00 |
| ybit | ah | 18:02 |
| ybit | i just set the width to 100% | 18:02 |
| ybit | it wasn't in a container either | 18:02 |
| ybit | kanzure: so you just don't like the whiteness? | 18:03 |
| ybit | it would be nice to find a happy medium, something we both like | 18:03 |
| ybit | same with AA, $134 | 18:05 |
| kanzure | the whiteness? | 18:08 |
| kanzure | if you're trying to go for the web 2.0 look, you have to have rounded corners around your content i think | 18:09 |
| kanzure | it's like a rule | 18:09 |
| drazak | roffles | 18:11 |
| ybit | rounded corners was big in 2004ish? | 18:36 |
| kanzure | what's big now? | 18:36 |
| ybit | smashingapps.com usually tells me | 18:36 |
| ybit | the font i used for the header is 'in' this year | 18:37 |
| ybit | the font size and and layout was standard good practice | 18:37 |
| ybit | anywho, /me gets to reading | 18:38 |
| * ybit hopes the site is presentable, i.e. it has everything mentioned above by nov. | 18:46 | |
| kanzure | https://www.dunkindonuts.com/ | 19:16 |
| kanzure | http://happywebbies.com/ | 19:17 |
| kanzure | http://pixelmatrixdesign.com/ | 19:18 |
| kanzure | http://pinchzoom.com/ | 19:18 |
| kanzure | http://creamscoop.com/ | 19:19 |
| kanzure | http://naldzgraphics.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/weblay13.jpg | 19:20 |
| kanzure | hah: http://www.psdcore.com/tutorials/web-layouts/modern-web-20-web-layout/ | 19:20 |
| kanzure | oh man. you people are still using photoshop for this? http://sixrevisions.com/web-development/how-to-design-the-web-in-a-high-def-world/ | 19:20 |
| kanzure | http://lecaid.com/ | 19:23 |
| kanzure | http://www.unouplus.com/ | 19:24 |
| kanzure | some of this is flash, sorry | 19:24 |
| ybit | http://www.siiimple.com/ | 19:25 |
| ybit | not sure but i think that's the website i used to go to for examples | 19:25 |
| kanzure | http://lemonstandapp.com/ | 19:25 |
| ybit | http://www.minimalsites.com/ | 19:26 |
| ybit | or that? | 19:26 |
| ybit | dunno, but there are some good write-ups on minimal web design | 19:26 |
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| kanzure | why does either one of us have a background in web design? | 19:26 |
| kanzure | i hate the webs :( | 19:26 |
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| kanzure | fenn probably crashed his poor laptop on your ginormous 1024px banner, ybit | 19:27 |
| ybit | netbooks have a res of 1024 | 19:29 |
| kanzure | my cell phone doesn't | 19:29 |
| kanzure | neither does links2 | 19:29 |
| ybit | if you get a chance, check out the silkscreen font | 19:29 |
| ybit | it works wonders | 19:30 |
| kanzure | is that its name? | 19:30 |
| ybit | great for viewing on screen and on the phone | 19:30 |
| ybit | yeah | 19:30 |
| kanzure | so do people still make psd templates and then cut it up into individual images for their CSS files? | 19:31 |
| kanzure | do kids still do that these days? | 19:31 |
| ybit | http://pixelfonts.style-force.net/ | 19:31 |
| ybit | i made a template using inkscape | 19:32 |
| ybit | it would be nice if browsers would just read my svg, it is xml after all | 19:32 |
| ybit | http://kottke.org/plus/type/silkscreen/ :: silkscreen | 19:33 |
| fenn | the hard drive kept spinning up, logging your inane yammer to disk | 19:34 |
| ybit | i would really dig a minimalist design with pixel fonts | 19:34 |
| fenn | so i switched to davinci | 19:34 |
| ybit | wb | 19:34 |
| ybit | but i'm not a power css user atm | 19:34 |
| ybit | and yui's grid layout is nice, great for ensuring support for multiple devices | 19:35 |
| fenn | i wish people would focus more on making webpages work correctly, rather than look pretty | 19:36 |
| ybit | example? | 19:36 |
| ybit | well, i guess you mean when you resize a window and there are overlapping elements | 19:37 |
| ybit | http://webshots.org is nice too | 19:39 |
| fenn | bet: 1 cookie that in 5 years web pages will commonly be SVG | 19:43 |
| kanzure | http://preview.clickswitch.net/platino/index.html | 19:44 |
| kanzure | http://www.goplanapp.com/ | 19:44 |
| kanzure | http://www.serj.ca/ | 19:44 |
| kanzure | http://glue.be/en/ | 19:44 |
| ybit | an svg site: http://svg.nicubunu.ro/ | 19:51 |
| ybit | http://apike.ca/prog_svg_webpage.html | 19:52 |
| ybit | anywho.. kanzure, do you want to agree on a template or site that we may both try to replicate with a twist? | 19:52 |
| ybit | fenn: are you willing (nobody's wanting to) to do a little web dev? | 19:53 |
| ybit | http://www.smashingapps.com/2009/09/16/23-colorful-and-smart-examples-of-beautiful-web-designs.html | 19:54 |
| ybit | favs from the picks: http://www.howhost.com/en/ and http://www.piipeonline.com/ | 19:55 |
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| ybit | http://www.tutorial9.net/resources/minimalism-around-the-web-design-inspiration-wordpress-themes/ | 19:58 |
| ybit | http://line25.com/articles/50-inspiring-examples-of-minimalism-in-web-design | 20:00 |
| kanzure | someone did a nice render of iron man: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=132&t=642540 "in 6 days" | 20:00 |
| fenn | ybit: i dont even want to look at those links | 20:03 |
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| * fenn looks .. yep just as awful as i expected | 20:05 | |
| * fenn likes his gray on gray | 20:05 | |
| fenn | apparently "minimalist" means "words words words" | 20:09 |
| fenn | hah "nobody really wants websites anymore. they want answers" | 20:10 |
| bkero | No, they want solutions | 20:11 |
| bkero | Catch up on your buzzwords | 20:11 |
| fenn | must.. capture.. market value | 20:12 |
| bkero | Must...shit all over your buzzwords. | 20:13 |
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| kanzure | ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/web/test.html | 23:33 |
| kanzure | please use that for your template | 23:33 |
| katsmeow-afk | great open source hardware? | 23:34 |
| kanzure | it's a reference to the GOSH! conference, "grounding open source hardware" (it did anything but) | 23:36 |
| katsmeow-afk | ah | 23:36 |
| kanzure | huh kuniholm is making an osh search engine. wonder why he hasn't said hello in a while.. | 23:37 |
| genehacker | is there even that much open hardware to search | 23:42 |
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