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| kanzure | "You won't see it using git log because the head is still the previous commit. It's easy to remedy:" | 00:29 |
| kanzure | http://samba.org/~jelmer/dulwich/tutorial/ | 00:29 |
| kanzure | >>> repo.refs['refs/heads/master'] = commit.id | 00:29 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure that should be s/commit/c2/ | 00:29 |
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| kanzure | ah it looks like you can't create a new branch because it's using some __getattr__ trick. | 00:39 |
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| ybit | 21:14 < kanzure> and the bildr guy never got back with us | 10:16 |
| ybit | 21:14 < kanzure> even after ybit emailed him too (this was after i phoned him up- he was very enthusiastic) | 10:16 |
| ybit | remember i pasted his response? | 10:16 |
| ybit | he said that he was going a different route than that of skdb | 10:16 |
| ybit | okay, i have to leave for work.. if you guys don't remember the paste (or forward?) i'll forward or paste | 10:16 |
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| kanzure | hamachi? | 11:39 |
| kanzure | http://www.funis2cool.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/359-lb_grouper_fish_05.jpg | 11:41 |
| kanzure | i think the guy was referring to the vpn program though | 11:41 |
| kanzure | weird artwork: http://ma.tt/2008/02/nice-smbfs-tutorial/ | 11:42 |
| fenn | i was wrong, it means 'yellowtail' not grouper | 11:43 |
| kanzure | fenn: it's japanese custom to now kill yourself because of the shame you have brought into this channel from your failure. | 11:50 |
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| kanzure | kanzure@pikachu:~/local/packages-skdb/lego$ git checkout anonymous | 15:07 |
| kanzure | error: bogus commit object 0e48ff3872b9dfdc64db66f8a1769fb10ddbfb37 | 15:07 |
| kanzure | Segmentation fault | 15:07 |
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| kanzure | fenn: when's the last time you fragged your hd? | 16:23 |
| kanzure | hdd | 16:24 |
| fenn | fragged? | 16:24 |
| fenn | i don't own any hand grenades :P | 16:24 |
| kanzure | defragmented? | 16:24 |
| fenn | you dont have to do that on linux | 16:24 |
| ybit | superkuh: what tts voice do you use? i have been using nitech_us_awb_arctic_hts, nitech_us_clb_arctic_hts, nitech_us_rms_arctic_hts | 16:28 |
| superkuh | voice_nitech_us_slt_arctic_hts | 16:34 |
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| kanzure | looks like it's back in stock for $60 | 17:07 |
| kanzure | http://www.amazon.com/Wild-Planet-Gear-Video-ATV-360/dp/B0016A7PGU | 17:07 |
| kanzure | it had vanished last year, but IIRC in 2007 it was on hackaday http://hackaday.com/2007/10/07/25-head-mounted-display/ | 17:08 |
| kanzure | "The screen is a Kopin 300M (Black and white, 300×240 pixels) " well that's totally useless | 17:09 |
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| Utopiah | "CLI to a variety of popular WWW search engines and other artifacts of power" http://surfraw.alioth.debian.org/ | 17:57 |
| kanzure | yep | 17:59 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: have you seen pyscholar? | 17:59 |
| kanzure | i was hoping to get around to writing an interface between pyscholar/surfraw and uzbl | 17:59 |
| Utopiah | hmmm nop, URL? | 18:00 |
| Utopiah | ok | 18:02 |
| Utopiah | well yes Ive been looking into a nice equivalent of Zotero but so far Im sticking to Vimperator (with binds) + wiki | 18:03 |
| Utopiah | (btw Google Scholar didn't release any proper API with stats AFAIK :( | 18:04 |
| Utopiah | means you are scrapping? | 18:04 |
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| kanzure | Utopiah: yes, i scrape more than is healthy | 18:12 |
| kanzure | http://github.com/kanzure/pyscholar/tree/master/ | 18:13 |
| Utopiah | thanks, I found the link since | 18:13 |
| fenn | i have noticed that with a small angle of view HUD it doesn't matter much what the resolution is because your eye can't really resolve that fine of detail | 18:29 |
| fenn | the myvu are just about at the limits of my poor vision | 18:29 |
| fenn | stuff goes out of focus a bit near the edges of your glasses lenses too | 18:29 |
| fenn | the way to go is to add a dual gyro to create a sort of virtual display space around you | 18:30 |
| fenn | like fvwm2 if you ever used that, but slaved to your head movements instead of mouse bs | 18:31 |
| Utopiah | is myvu the public equivalent of http://www.brother.com/en/news/2008/rid/ ? | 18:34 |
| kanzure | i wish | 18:34 |
| kanzure | myvu does 640x480 | 18:34 |
| kanzure | and the one you linked to does 800x600 among other things | 18:35 |
| kanzure | also it's a projector, myvu isn't | 18:36 |
| Utopiah | ah ok | 18:36 |
| fenn | i thought brother made printers | 18:37 |
| * Utopiah still hopes to get the lense equivalent "soon" | 18:37 | |
| Utopiah | it's like 3M that doesn't just do stickers ;) | 18:37 |
| fenn | yeah they also mine copper :P | 18:38 |
| Utopiah | and http://www.3m.com/mpro/specifications.html | 18:39 |
| fenn | geez everyone has their own line of mini projectors now | 18:39 |
| * fenn grumbles about shitty webpages while he's at it | 18:39 | |
| fenn | re: the brother HUD; i think i would want just the mirror in front of my eyes, with the projector mounted much further back | 18:42 |
| fenn | why is this stuff not consumer mass market yet | 18:43 |
| any12108394 | why does sciencedirect exist, when so few can afford to pay $20+ for every article? | 18:43 |
| QuantumG | suckers | 18:44 |
| ybit | any12108394: it's for universities mostly, i don't know of anyone who pays to read | 18:44 |
| ybit | which i've a feeling you knew that | 18:44 |
| any12108394 | almost makes it worth to enroll for some cheapy class just to get access :-/ | 18:45 |
| fenn | or just pester kanzure for a server account | 18:46 |
| any12108394 | i might wear it out if i automate the downloads | 18:46 |
| kanzure | any12108394: nope | 18:47 |
| kanzure | i've transferred well over 100GB through it | 18:47 |
| any12108394 | oh | 18:47 |
| * ybit needs a laptop that costs no more than $450 and doesn't suck: i've found netbooks that have subpar performance, but great battery life and light weight. i've yet to find an ultralight or notebook with decent battery life that cost less than $450n, and | 18:47 | |
| any12108394 | <cough> | 18:47 |
| Utopiah | used Thinkpads? | 18:48 |
| any12108394 | http://www.shopgoodwill.com/listings/listByCat.asp?catID=176&ending=Items ? | 18:48 |
| ybit | the last used thinkpad i bought didn't last long, but i was a little too rough with it | 18:48 |
| kanzure | same here | 18:48 |
| ybit | can i has a dual-core netbook? | 18:50 |
| any12108394 | i have these topic listings, and would like to add to each topic (this listing i gathered on ONE directory after years of mining): http://designerthinking.com/Ai_topic_tags.txt | 18:50 |
| kanzure | didn't i already offer you one? | 18:50 |
| any12108394 | me? | 18:51 |
| kanzure | any12108394: these don't look like topics about ai | 18:51 |
| kanzure | any12108394: no, ybit | 18:51 |
| kanzure | i offered him a laptop i think? | 18:51 |
| fenn | kanzure: i thought you offered a monster behemoth computer with folding case | 18:51 |
| ybit | woah, these things exist | 18:51 |
| any12108394 | they are not *about* ai, they are a reference for the Ai | 18:51 |
| kanzure | any12108394: i strongly doubt you're doing anything remotely related t oai | 18:51 |
| kanzure | *to ai | 18:51 |
| kanzure | now, what are you actually doing? | 18:51 |
| ybit | http://www.onsale.com/p/5572458?dpno=7847330&store=onsale&source=BWBGoogleBase and more like them | 18:51 |
| any12108394 | ok, nevermind, i learned long ago to not defend myself | 18:52 |
| kanzure | huh? | 18:52 |
| kanzure | just wondering what you're doing | 18:52 |
| fenn | looks like mostly medical and engineering topics | 18:52 |
| any12108394 | fenn, it's just one dir, it's not the news dirs, not the food dirs, ot music drs, etc etc | 18:53 |
| fenn | kanzure: kats has an autonomous scraper agent with database.. i dont really know much more than that | 18:53 |
| any12108394 | and there's some overlap | 18:53 |
| ybit | bkero mind seeing what the price comes out to on that ideapad?: http://shoplenovo.i2.com/SEUILibrary/controller/Lenovo:EnterStdAffinity?affinity=epp | 18:54 |
| ybit | it's the lenovo ideapad u330 | 18:54 |
| any12108394 | the bot knows really not much about Basil Rathbone, about 17k bytes, and that's not listed as a topic on that url | 18:55 |
| * fenn ventures out into the cold dark streets | 18:55 | |
| kanzure | i still don't know what's going on, any12108394 | 18:56 |
| any12108394 | must you? for my efforts to provide details, what does it get either of us? | 18:57 |
| kanzure | neat stuff? | 18:57 |
| any12108394 | usually i am just slammed and picked apart for my efforts | 18:57 |
| QuantumG | fleeting amusement? | 18:57 |
| any12108394 | Quantum , but not forme | 18:58 |
| QuantumG | you said either | 18:58 |
| any12108394 | i have built a small cluster, i wrote lan data exchange apps, i have a decade+ of data scraping, and i know the best i can aim for atm is a smart expert system | 18:59 |
| any12108394 | i aim a lil higher | 18:59 |
| kanzure | what were the data sources? | 18:59 |
| any12108394 | internet, a few doz books scanend in (i wore out 2 scanenrs) | 18:59 |
| kanzure | internet? any particular.. er.. | 18:59 |
| any12108394 | many sites | 19:00 |
| any12108394 | some not online anymore | 19:00 |
| any12108394 | and i hesitate to share quid pro ... because of plagarism and such | 19:00 |
| QuantumG | so can your ai do anything? I don't mean that in a mocking tone.. | 19:02 |
| QuantumG | honest question. | 19:02 |
| QuantumG | dazzle me | 19:03 |
| ybit | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002VA5A98?ie=UTF8&tag=hl0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B002VA5A98 | 19:03 |
| * ybit quits pasting crap links | 19:03 | |
| any12108394 | Quantum , cannot | 19:05 |
| QuantumG | cannot what? | 19:05 |
| any12108394 | 1) i refuse to put the cluster to task when the ups batteries cannot be kept at charge yet , 2) so the db isn't distributed properly yet | 19:06 |
| QuantumG | .. this is what I find so disturbing about AI researchers. | 19:06 |
| QuantumG | first lesson of engineering is? | 19:06 |
| any12108394 | but answering simple questons of a dat finding nature is easy from the small lists i premunged on the one computer | 19:07 |
| QuantumG | (ok, the first is specify the problem, but let's ignore that one) | 19:07 |
| QuantumG | 1. make it work 2. make it right 3. make it fast | 19:07 |
| any12108394 | 1st rule for me is to not buy everything at the first price give, but wait a reasonable time for a good price, else the budget is blown | 19:08 |
| QuantumG | it isn't "spend years making a distributed architecture which you think will be able to do the task, if only you know what the task is that you wanted to do" | 19:08 |
| any12108394 | 2nd rule is to not do ANYTHING in a place that worships dogs and finds single women and disabled humans to be vermin | 19:08 |
| any12108394 | i know the task, i have run out of OS capabilities, hd and ram space and cpu clocks | 19:09 |
| QuantumG | ... there was AI guys in the 70s who wrote more interesting programs than the people who do the same research today | 19:09 |
| any12108394 | hence the cluster | 19:09 |
| any12108394 | i agree | 19:09 |
| QuantumG | ... so you should be able to tell me what your program can do.. as well as what it cant | 19:09 |
| any12108394 | on the other paw, i suspect those guys are still writing, and their progress is hidden away | 19:09 |
| QuantumG | the answer should be something like "it can solve these tasks.. in this restricted domain.. but to go beyond that I need a working cluster.." | 19:10 |
| QuantumG | not "I'm building a cluster.. then I'll figure out what I wanna do with it." | 19:10 |
| any12108394 | i never said "then I'll figure out what I wanna do with it." | 19:10 |
| QuantumG | ya didn't answer the question either... what does it do | 19:11 |
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| any12108394 | "what does it do" implies temporally "now", and i did answer that queston, as well as my "aims" | 19:12 |
| QuantumG | well, you say you're building a cluster.. so by the numbers you should already have something working and are now attacking the program of scaling it. | 19:13 |
| QuantumG | as you're saying it doesn't do anything.. but are trying to scale it anyway, you're literally trying to make "a big nothing" | 19:14 |
| any12108394 | yeas, something does work, but again: power is of because atm the ups batteries are manually monitored when charging, so atm it does nothing but take up space due to the power being off on that shelf | 19:14 |
| QuantumG | when you start talking about ups batteries my palm doesn't even bother going to my face.. but it wants to. | 19:15 |
| any12108394 | i have the situation in hand, parts are on order to solve the power problem: i need 120amps of cleanpower at 13.6vdc to float the batteries, and it's in the mail | 19:15 |
| any12108394 | why? | 19:15 |
| QuantumG | you're still talking about scaling | 19:16 |
| any12108394 | no, you are, i have done nothing but answer your critiques, wich i never wanted to do | 19:16 |
| QuantumG | Me: What's it do? You: I'm scaling it. Me: What are you scaling. You: These are the problems I'm having with scaling. | 19:16 |
| kanzure | these are not critiques | 19:16 |
| any12108394 | the bloody cluster is built, but i refuse to suffer data corruption when the power goes out routinely, so it's NOT going topowerup till i resolve that | 19:17 |
| any12108394 | it's not a "problem" of "do-ability", it's simply the stuff is still in USPS's hands | 19:17 |
| kanzure | quantumg is asking about the software | 19:18 |
| any12108394 | i am not disclosing code or data at this time, i said i am understanding i can at best expect an expert system, but i aim higher, and atm it's doing nothing | 19:19 |
| QuantumG | do you have such an expert system working yet? | 19:19 |
| any12108394 | it's that simple and limited AT THIS TIME which is what he keeps asking | 19:19 |
| any12108394 | i said it's simple data recovery (Q&A) | 19:19 |
| any12108394 | and i said it's currently limited to a small pre-munged set of data | 19:20 |
| any12108394 | because the cluster is not powered up | 19:20 |
| any12108394 | i have said everything 3 times, and i hate this | 19:20 |
| any12108394 | not going to answer more | 19:20 |
| kanzure | you've told us nothing except "i don't want to tell you anything" | 19:20 |
| any12108394 | ok | 19:21 |
| QuantumG | and, as I said, dudes in the 70s wrote expert systems that worked on computers thousands of times slower than our desktop machines. If you can't do the same with a desktop machine than no sized cluster is going to make it any better. | 19:21 |
| any12108394 | now you attack my personality, fiances, methodology, pretenses, sex, and the phase of the moons | 19:21 |
| kanzure | what? | 19:21 |
| kanzure | you're full of it. who has attacked your personality, fiances, etc.? | 19:21 |
| QuantumG | I'm attacking nothing but your complete lack of understanding of basic engineering practice.. and don't take it personally, I do this to every AI researcher, as it tends to be a prerequisite for them | 19:22 |
| any12108394 | Quantum, winxp limits an app to 2gigs, my mobo limit me to 2gigs, one app often runs out the available ram and 3.5gigs of swap space on harddrive | 19:22 |
| Utopiah | (can get a "cluster" quickly with Amazon EC2 including now 64Gb instances) | 19:23 |
| any12108394 | ergo, the cluster can run similar apps faste than one can possibly run even two of that app | 19:23 |
| QuantumG | yeah, dudes in the 70s would have been happy to have a spinning core of a megabyte of memory.. if they were at a sufficiently funded institution | 19:23 |
| any12108394 | kanzure, i never said it was already done, i said now is the time when that begins | 19:24 |
| Utopiah | http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2009/10/two-new-ec2-instance-types-additional-memory.html | 19:24 |
| any12108394 | as when you said "you're full of it" | 19:24 |
| Utopiah | ( $2.40 per 68.4 GB of RAM, and 26 ECU (8 virtual cores with 3.25 ECU each), 64-bit platform. instance hour ) | 19:24 |
| any12108394 | Utopiah, fine, i have the hardware i have, the OS api calls in code i have, and not going to spend more time "upgrading" to that, especially given : [19:21] <QuantumG> and, as I said, dudes in the 70s wrote expert systems that worked on computers thousands of times slower than our desktop machines. If you can't do the same with a desktop machine than no sized cluster is going to make it any better. | 19:25 |
| kanzure | ah so you do have some software? | 19:26 |
| Utopiah | no need to "upgrade", just start an instance and load your software on it, run it, get the result, close it | 19:26 |
| any12108394 | kanzure, i said i did | 19:26 |
| kanzure | any12108394: i have to admit i've never been this confused by you | 19:26 |
| Utopiah | (you can even use sshfs on instances) | 19:26 |
| any12108394 | kanzure, which is why i seldom ever mention anything, i can never make myself understood | 19:27 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: so, a friend recommended i dump some code into ec2 | 19:27 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: for off-site CAD rendering for the upcoming skdb website | 19:28 |
| kanzure | rendering images takes too long at the moment (more than 5sec but less than 1min) | 19:28 |
| kanzure | so putting it somewhere else in the cloud seems like a reasonable deal | 19:28 |
| kanzure | any hints? | 19:29 |
| kanzure | hm "don't use it for your main server" right. | 19:31 |
| any12108394 | i dunno, for under $250 i put together P4 2.4+ghz, 2gb ram, 2 new 320g hds + 80g boot drive, gigabit lan card, all cables, software | 19:31 |
| Utopiah | afaik it's "just" AWS, there are emerging solution including GPU based ones http://www.caps-entreprise.com/compute_lab.html but nothing that can compare in term of number of machines you can get and how quickly they make it available | 19:31 |
| kanzure | why does amazon have a large cluster anyway? | 19:32 |
| any12108394 | some have hdmi, svideo, and all the other goodies (dvd, cd, 2nd lan port, etc etc) | 19:32 |
| Utopiah | because they are a logistic company hencetheir business is optimization | 19:32 |
| Utopiah | who one day thought they could resell their unused cycles | 19:34 |
| Utopiah | (which is perfectly logic for a logistic company I guess, they considered that resource as yet another "stock") | 19:35 |
| Utopiah | sidenote, storing your dataset on S3 isn't free, even if you don't use it | 19:43 |
| Utopiah | if you have a large university pipe to re-upload everytime it's fine but it also costs a bit | 19:44 |
| Utopiah | (you can run simulations to check if it's worth the trouble, they have the AWS calculator) | 19:44 |
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| kanzure | jasonwohlfahrt: back? | 20:03 |
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| * fenn got some temporary fleeting amusement out of it at least | 20:23 | |
| * any12108394 got the re-education that's it's a bad thing to discuss things | 20:24 | |
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| kanzure | so i followed this: http://samba.org/~jelmer/dulwich/tutorial/ through "changing a file and commit it" | 20:44 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/dulwich_tutorial.py | 20:44 |
| fenn | http://dvice.com/assets_c/2009/11/6-techs-to-end-the-world-gray-goo-28393.php | 20:44 |
| kanzure | and it doesn't work as it says it should | 20:44 |
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| kanzure | http://samba.org/~jelmer/dulwich/tutorial/ | 21:56 |
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| kanzure | took me 5min to realize " | 22:27 |
| kanzure | er, to realize that " | 22:27 |
| kanzure | deadmau5 - interstat is just a remix of a GITS soundtrack | 22:27 |
| kanzure | also, i suck at paste | 22:28 |
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| fenn | "a" GITS soundtrack? | 22:36 |
| * fenn hates remixes anyway | 22:37 | |
| fenn | intelstat | 22:37 |
| fenn | oh wonderful, "lets play it in a concrete warehouse with terrible acoustics, then overdrive the speakers 150% and shoot lasers everywhere" | 22:40 |
| fenn | and add a drumbeat | 22:40 |
| fenn | "look i did a remix!" | 22:40 |
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| fenn | there is a fairly complete collection on the LAN at http://192.168.1.87/mp3/gits/ | 22:43 |
| ybit | okay, if someone wants to convince me otherwise about purchasing the acer aspire 1410, now is the time to do it | 22:52 |
| ybit | http://www.laptopmag.com/print_review.aspx?id=36868&url=http://www.laptopmag.com//review/laptops/acer-aspire-1410.aspx | 22:52 |
| ybit | she is about to be purchased in less than 5 mins | 22:52 |
| ybit | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115655&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Netbooks-_-Acer+America-_-34115655 | 22:52 |
| fenn | i'm browsing randomly on gitorious.org, there are a lot of circuit board projects | 22:54 |
| fenn | I-Care-U | 22:55 |
| fenn | It’s a full platform with tele-care/vital-care, including the measuring devices（portable ECG、2-in-1 blood pressure glucose device）、the device of broker，and the server side. | 22:55 |
| fenn | whatever that means right | 22:56 |
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| kanzure | i wonder why i'm using github instead of gitorious | 23:00 |
| fenn | me too | 23:01 |
| kanzure | i wonder why i'm using either at all | 23:01 |
| fenn | gitorious is AGPL | 23:02 |
| fenn | offsite backups are handy | 23:02 |
| kanzure | when was the last time you pulled from tangiblebit.git? | 23:03 |
| fenn | a long time go | 23:03 |
| * kanzure looks at his poor progress bar | 23:04 | |
| kanzure | Receiving objects: 73% (715/979), 16.65 MiB | 339 KiB/s | 23:04 |
| kanzure | although he commits lots of large image files | 23:04 |
| kanzure | 57.52 MiB | 23:06 |
| kanzure | blah | 23:06 |
| kanzure | so he has his own packaging system now.. | 23:06 |
| kanzure | and has three committers? | 23:07 |
| kanzure | ok nevermind, it's all bullshit | 23:08 |
| fenn | skdb was ~14MB last i checked | 23:13 |
| kanzure | a lot of that are smari's png's from tangiblebit | 23:14 |
| kanzure | *is | 23:14 |
| kanzure | and some of that is IGES/STEP bloat | 23:14 |
| fenn | inventory/ is only 1.2MB | 23:14 |
| kanzure | huh? i thought it was due to .git/ and all the object files being moved around/copied multiple times? | 23:15 |
| kanzure | holy crap import_tools is 15MB | 23:15 |
| fenn | oh my bad, it's only really about 7MB since .git is included in du | 23:15 |
| kanzure | and doc/ is 11 MB? | 23:15 |
| fenn | nah you just have data left over | 23:15 |
| kanzure | i sure hope so | 23:15 |
| kanzure | oh | 23:16 |
| kanzure | 6.3 MB bearing.stl | 23:16 |
| kanzure | and then 7 MB in import_tools/models/ | 23:16 |
| fenn | i dont understand why sparkfun insists on making their 'breakout boards' so frigging huge | 23:18 |
| fenn | 4 pins and the thing's >1 inch square? http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=7915 | 23:18 |
| fenn | oh nm the scale is wrong on the picture | 23:19 |
| CIA-33 | skdb: kanzure * r 43a8ab0 /web/web.py: here's an attempt with dulwich; python-git is up next. | 23:19 |
| kanzure | the gitpython tutorial doesn't go over committing at all | 23:53 |
| kanzure | ah, it's read-only | 23:54 |
| kanzure | wonderful | 23:54 |
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