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| kanzure | heh they're playing the megaman 3 OC remix | 09:07 |
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| kanzure | this A/V crew is awesome | 09:07 |
| kanzure | cool i got paid | 09:11 |
| kanzure | ybit: get your ass over here, you can sneak in | 09:35 |
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| kanzure | hey JayDugger | 09:47 |
| JayDugger | Hello yourself, Kanzure. | 09:47 |
| kanzure | you're over in dallas? | 09:48 |
| kanzure | that's kind of useless | 09:48 |
| JayDugger | Yes. | 09:48 |
| JayDugger | We'll see how long I get to participate before my girlfriend exercises her weekend veto. | 09:48 |
| kanzure | right now i'm talking with michael from livly | 09:48 |
| JayDugger | No worries. | 09:48 |
| kanzure | presentation: http://tr.im/hplus | 09:49 |
| JayDugger | Please mention anyone you encounter from Genescient. I encourage my mother to join their human trials. She's interested, but distracted. | 09:49 |
| kanzure | ah i met gregory benford up in new york a few months ago | 09:50 |
| kanzure | he's pretty neat in person | 09:50 |
| JayDugger | Glad to hear it. SS09? | 09:50 |
| kanzure | yes | 09:52 |
| kanzure | http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/presentations/hplus-summit-2009/ | 09:52 |
| kanzure | you can see my presentation in the .pdf | 09:52 |
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| kanzure | alex lightman | 10:13 |
| kanzure | chris | 10:13 |
| kanzure | michael someone from livly | 10:13 |
| kanzure | peter voss | 10:13 |
| JayDugger | Name-dropping? | 10:14 |
| kanzure | no | 10:16 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/meetlog.txt | 10:16 |
| JayDugger | Got it. | 10:16 |
| kanzure | have you ever seen that? | 10:16 |
| JayDugger | The file? No, by "Got it," I meant "understood." | 10:16 |
| kanzure | check it out :) i keep track of who i meet | 10:17 |
| JayDugger | Looking now...that's an excellent practice. | 10:17 |
| JayDugger | Much more useful-seeming to have it in a text file vice trying to reconstruct who I met when from memory mush or activity streams. | 10:18 |
| JayDugger | Howard Rheingold? | 10:18 |
| kanzure | yeah i was talking with howard for a bit | 10:19 |
| kanzure | he ran a "brain storms" message board for a while | 10:19 |
| JayDugger | How do you use the list's contents? Do it serve just as a mnemonic, or does it become one more data oubliette? | 10:20 |
| kanzure | it's yaml | 10:20 |
| JayDugger | It looked structured. | 10:21 |
| kanzure | so in python you can do this: | 10:21 |
| kanzure | yaml.load(open("meetlog.txt")) | 10:21 |
| kanzure | and you get it in python objects | 10:21 |
| kanzure | it's serialization | 10:21 |
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| ybit | kanzure: dammit you were right, grr | 13:39 |
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| ybit | (i could have snuck in) | 13:39 |
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| genehacker | kanzuure are you there? | 14:25 |
| genehacker | allosphere, wtf | 14:33 |
| kanzure | yes i'm around | 15:23 |
| genehacker | so what was that cellular automaton guy talking about | 15:31 |
| genehacker | just barely missed the end of it | 15:31 |
| Utopiah | genehacker: did you upload stuff up there? | 15:45 |
| kanzure | i uploaded some stuff here: http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2009/ | 15:58 |
| Utopiah | you do type a lot :) | 16:01 |
| Utopiah | oh wait, are those transcripts? | 16:01 |
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| kanzure | yes those are transcripts | 16:07 |
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| genehacker | not sure about the whole allosphere thing | 16:08 |
| genehacker | looks interesting though | 16:08 |
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| genehacker | so the problem with seasteading is that you can disconnect | 16:29 |
| genehacker | lack of connection standards | 16:32 |
| katsmeow-afk | explain? | 16:33 |
| genehacker | well if you get in trouble with the law | 16:34 |
| genehacker | run to another sea stead | 16:34 |
| genehacker | that will protect you | 16:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | but you called that a problem | 16:34 |
| genehacker | ever read the diamond age? | 16:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | no | 16:35 |
| genehacker | it talks about things like this | 16:35 |
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| Utopiah | http://fabien.benetou.fr/ReadingNotes/DiamondAge (dont' think I wrote sth about seastands though) | 16:35 |
| genehacker | where society breaks up into claves | 16:35 |
| genehacker | snow crash goes into this too | 16:36 |
| katsmeow-afk | sounds like what all the southern usa militias have been talking about for 50 yrs | 16:37 |
| genehacker | go bryan! | 16:37 |
| genehacker | fenn those aren't true gears... | 16:49 |
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| genehacker | internet people? | 16:55 |
| genehacker | clap | 16:56 |
| genehacker | clap | 16:56 |
| ybit | hehe | 16:56 |
| ybit | fenn, kanzure zure: well done, nice approach, i think the audience was certainly captivated most of the time | 17:02 |
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| Utopiah | http://spectrum.ieee.org/static/singularity | 17:08 |
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| genehacker | dang it isn't there anywhere I can watch these video's later | 17:22 |
| katsmeow-afk | hell, the page is just now opening here | 17:23 |
| katsmeow-afk | i wonder that we will not know the singularity happened till well after it does | 17:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | i expect a wave of media that will cast it in a good light, and polls to guage the public, and it revealed only after the polls look good | 17:27 |
| genehacker | I'm calling jevon's paradox on this guyt | 17:27 |
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| JayDugger | Who was that last speaker? Joesph? | 17:34 |
| genehacker | dallas texas? | 17:35 |
| genehacker | do we have a texas transhumanist in here? | 17:35 |
| JayDugger | No, you have a carpetbagger. I have a Texas IP and location, but I hail from MO. | 17:35 |
| JayDugger | We say "Show me." | 17:35 |
| JayDugger | :) | 17:35 |
| genehacker | dang | 17:36 |
| JayDugger | Reprap is not an Universal Constructor. Someone overstates the case. :) | 17:37 |
| genehacker | that guy totally forgot the whole semiconductor fab process | 17:37 |
| genehacker | yup yup | 17:37 |
| genehacker | everyone does | 17:37 |
| JayDugger | I'll keep watching. He might yet have something good to say. | 17:37 |
| JayDugger | </cynic> | 17:37 |
| JayDugger | Heh. I'd like to see those numbers. I hope he's right. | 17:38 |
| genehacker | what about the lifetime cost? | 17:38 |
| JayDugger | Exactly. How long does a RepRap last under heavy use? | 17:38 |
| JayDugger | Perhaps he did those numbers. I'd like to see them. | 17:39 |
| genehacker | oh oh how do you get rare europium ore for stuff? | 17:39 |
| JayDugger | War becomes obsolete? | 17:39 |
| JayDugger | Ah, Crusades anyone? | 17:39 |
| genehacker | or rare earths that can only be mined practily in several places in the world | 17:39 |
| genehacker | tantalum | 17:39 |
| JayDugger | Yeah... | 17:39 |
| JayDugger | I'm all for high-tech back-to-the-earth, but a little less hard sell, if you please. | 17:40 |
| JayDugger | Oh, really? A UC? Can it build a human? No? | 17:41 |
| genehacker | the humans are part of it | 17:42 |
| JayDugger | Fair point. I withdraw that detail. | 17:42 |
| JayDugger | What if I want to build a fission reactor? | 17:42 |
| JayDugger | Or a solar cell? | 17:42 |
| genehacker | not so sure diy steel production would bring you closer to nature | 17:42 |
| genehacker | solar cells are easy | 17:43 |
| JayDugger | Really? Don't you need semiconductor fabrication equipment? | 17:43 |
| genehacker | yeah | 17:43 |
| genehacker | you make it | 17:43 |
| genehacker | but really why'd you want to make silicon solar cells when it's easier to make a solar thermal plant | 17:44 |
| JayDugger | I imagine a counterexample, that's all. | 17:45 |
| genehacker | so for making solar cells you need silicon as a major component | 17:45 |
| JayDugger | Solar thermal might serve better, if I had a real-world case. | 17:45 |
| katsmeow-afk | for making *silicon* cells, yeas | 17:45 |
| genehacker | you need boule pullers | 17:45 |
| JayDugger | I don't know how to build those, but those sound hard to make. | 17:45 |
| genehacker | they're simpler than they look | 17:46 |
| katsmeow-afk | thermal has higher demonstrated efficeny in the real world, if you can find sunlite unfiltered by pollution | 17:46 |
| JayDugger | Withstand high-temperature? | 17:46 |
| JayDugger | Okay, Dr. Hughes does good work, but I have better things to do right now. | 17:46 |
| genehacker | tank of molten silicon you want to purify | 17:47 |
| genehacker | dip a purer crystal in and pull | 17:47 |
| genehacker | they's a better ways to make solar cells though | 17:47 |
| JayDugger | Yeah. I know what a boule puller does, I just don't know what design constraints they have. | 17:47 |
| genehacker | gravity provides a constraint | 17:47 |
| genehacker | to the amount you can do | 17:48 |
| genehacker | at a time | 17:48 |
| genehacker | which is why we should put em in space | 17:48 |
| genehacker | or the moon | 17:48 |
| JayDugger | Never mind the advantages of cheap hard vacuum? | 17:48 |
| genehacker | yup | 17:48 |
| JayDugger | :) | 17:48 |
| JayDugger | Return later--GF exercises her veto. | 17:49 |
| genehacker | wait sunlight filteredb by pollution | 17:57 |
| genehacker | aren't there few places with that problem? | 17:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | a few | 17:59 |
| genehacker | I don't live there | 17:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | there's been days here when in noon sun with no clouds, there's neen no shadows, because the light has been diffused by the smog | 18:00 |
| katsmeow-afk | and, consequently, no heat could be felt on skin exposed to the sun either | 18:00 |
| katsmeow-afk | black objects in direct sun did not get warm | 18:00 |
| genehacker | argh | 18:02 |
| genehacker | that's annoying | 18:02 |
| genehacker | so the not only does coal pollute, it makes it so that solar isn't viable | 18:02 |
| genehacker | damn you fossil fuels! | 18:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | frustrating | 18:03 |
| katsmeow-afk | and cleaning up point sources like that doesn't help if people burn trash at home, because that is even dirtier | 18:04 |
| genehacker | oh and that's anectdotal evidence | 18:04 |
| genehacker | I don't trust itt | 18:04 |
| katsmeow-afk | and harder to track, because no one wants to track it | 18:05 |
| katsmeow-afk | k | 18:05 |
| genehacker | then they should implement burn bans | 18:05 |
| katsmeow-afk | for the record, i did n't blame it all on the 3 coal power plants in the next county over, i do blame burning stuff away from those 3 tho | 18:05 |
| genehacker | shit that sucks | 18:06 |
| genehacker | you should really where a gas mask | 18:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | burn bans? it's already illegal to burn garbage here, but most people do it, and no way to enforce it | 18:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | i DO wear carbon filtr masks | 18:06 |
| genehacker | thermal imaging uav's | 18:06 |
| genehacker | wow | 18:06 |
| genehacker | that bad | 18:06 |
| genehacker | and this is in america | 18:06 |
| genehacker | hmmm... does the city get to fine people for burning garbage? | 18:07 |
| katsmeow-afk | they won't,, they train low level C130 flights here, and like the EP3 crews, but mostly for coast guard and such, and i wrote them, they never replied | 18:07 |
| katsmeow-afk | it's like: if they would use the training flights to find IR sources here, they'd be better at it in Iraq and Afghanistan and everywerhe else | 18:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | <shrug> | 18:08 |
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| genehacker | if there wasn't a war in afghanistan, then maybe thermal camera's would be cheaper | 18:09 |
| genehacker | and UAVs and carbon fiber and many other things | 18:10 |
| genehacker | they're damned expensive | 18:10 |
| genehacker | mainly because the military buys em so much | 18:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | or just the neighbor calling it in | 18:10 |
| genehacker | and they require some rare ore | 18:10 |
| genehacker | that'd work too | 18:11 |
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| katsmeow-afk | <judge> did you burn trash | 18:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | <defendant> yes, it's our heritage, very one has done it backt o recored history | 18:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | <judge> did you analyse the smoke on your property? | 18:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | <me> no | 18:16 |
| katsmeow-afk | <judge> case dismissed | 18:16 |
| genehacker | is that an actual court case | 18:39 |
| genehacker | kanzure you there? | 18:49 |
| katsmeow-afk | yes | 18:55 |
| katsmeow-afk | i was so stupid i actually tried to use the law to stop the 24-7 of home and business garbage by rednecks on adjoining property, fronting the next street over | 18:56 |
| katsmeow-afk | the following yr, the rednecks discovered they could not hunt on anyone else adjoining property with rifles and shotguns, so they moved | 18:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | i accosted them on my property, they withdrew only when i fired a shot, they stepped back onto a neighbor's property and emptied their guns onto my property, the neighbor followed them home and presented himself and his guns on their front door | 18:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | cops got involved, basically said "shot shooting up property that doesn't belong to you",, or within 200ft as stated by law | 19:00 |
| katsmeow-afk | nevermind everything they were shooting with travels more than 200ft, and they were in a subdivision | 19:01 |
| genehacker | what about engineers... | 19:01 |
| genehacker | everyone forgets us | 19:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | ? | 19:01 |
| kanzure | http://www.squiggle.com/danbmil/humanity_plus.html | 19:01 |
| genehacker | who's this guy presenting about the 90s? | 19:02 |
| JayDugger | You mean R.U. Sirius? | 19:03 |
| JayDugger | You're kidding, right? | 19:03 |
| genehacker | I don't know these names | 19:03 |
| JayDugger | Okay, fair enough. | 19:04 |
| JayDugger | Once upon a time, pre-www, there existed few ways for people of like mind to communicate: phone, print, conference, and television. | 19:04 |
| JayDugger | R.U. Sirius wrote a 'zine, then the magazine MONDO 2000. | 19:05 |
| JayDugger | Think of him as presenting the oral traditions of the "cyberculture" zeitgeist. | 19:05 |
| JayDugger | Much of what he says might seem dated or obvious, but that happens because he wants to make a contrast. The avant garde turning normal. | 19:06 |
| genehacker | oh he did stuff with fraunfelder | 19:06 |
| JayDugger | (yeah, my GF still says no to the video.) | 19:06 |
| JayDugger | And I will not turn into one of those annoying people who talk about how great the '60s, I mean '90s, were. ;) | 19:07 |
| majma | is the video feed down for everyone or just me? (btw hello) | 19:08 |
| genehacker | what do you mean? the 90s had some of the best videogames ever | 19:08 |
| genehacker | yeah down here to | 19:09 |
| genehacker | hello and welcome to the hive | 19:09 |
| majma | mondo 2000 predates me, i started following these things in maybe 2002 but i listened to some neofiles podcasts that r.u. did | 19:09 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, but go talk with an ex-hippy. "Did I ever tell you about the Sixties?" | 19:09 |
| JayDugger | I hated hearing that, so I promise not to do the same. | 19:10 |
| genehacker | yeah me too | 19:10 |
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| JayDugger | Genehacker--do you know anyone near DFW with a RepRap or MakerBot? | 19:10 |
| genehacker | yes | 19:12 |
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| genehacker | but their's don't work | 19:13 |
| genehacker | I have some of the printed parts for one | 19:13 |
| genehacker | if I could only get all of them before the end of the semester | 19:13 |
| JayDugger | I keep thinking of buying the kit, but RL keeps interfering. | 19:13 |
| genehacker | one of my friends has a ponokorap | 19:14 |
| genehacker | last I heard he's having firmware troubles | 19:14 |
| JayDugger | Oh? | 19:14 |
| genehacker | you could ask him | 19:15 |
| genehacker | he's in #reprap | 19:15 |
| genehacker | goose is he nick | 19:15 |
| JayDugger | What's a ponokorap? Yahoo & Google failed. | 19:15 |
| genehacker | keltor's another guy doing reprap stuff, I don't think he has a working reprap, but he has access to a bunch of cool tools | 19:15 |
| genehacker | a laser cut reprap from a company called ponoko | 19:16 |
| JayDugger | Ah. | 19:16 |
| genehacker | http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/PonokoRepRap | 19:16 |
| JayDugger | Thank you. | 19:16 |
| genehacker | I have most of the darwin printed parts | 19:17 |
| genehacker | because where I am, I get free 3d prints | 19:17 |
| JayDugger | That's a NICE perk. | 19:17 |
| JayDugger | Believe I'll stick to either CloudFab or CupcakeCNC. | 19:18 |
| kanzure | why cloudfab | 19:18 |
| kanzure | they're just a startup with a giant image | 19:18 |
| JayDugger | That's fine. | 19:18 |
| genehacker | at the downside of getting them very slowly | 19:18 |
| genehacker | huh what's going on? | 19:18 |
| JayDugger | I've more money and patience than free time. | 19:18 |
| genehacker | video feed died | 19:18 |
| kanzure | you have money? | 19:18 |
| kanzure | did i send you the "cool toy" list? | 19:19 |
| JayDugger | For sufficiently -- GF veto, BRB. | 19:19 |
| genehacker | if you have money just buy a stratasys or an already made 3d printer | 19:19 |
| JayDugger | That's out of budget. | 19:20 |
| kanzure | consider getting a used lathe or cnc of some other sort | 19:21 |
| JayDugger | I'd like the cool toy list, but "more money than free time" says little about absolute values of either, just a comparison. | 19:21 |
| genehacker | you need a garage otherwise you're going to annoy your girlfriend | 19:21 |
| JayDugger | No thanks. I turned down my mother's ex-husband's ShopSmith. | 19:22 |
| JayDugger | A small CNC is fine, but there's a limit. CloudFab services or eMachIneShop keep the noise and mess far from me. | 19:23 |
| kanzure | #bpcs ? | 19:24 |
| JayDugger | Eh? | 19:24 |
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| genehacker | dang missed aubrey's talk | 19:29 |
| JayDugger | His talk from ss09 is on Vimeo. | 19:29 |
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| ybit | hi JayDugger | 19:31 |
| JayDugger | Hi, ybit. | 19:31 |
| ybit | are you @ the conf | 19:31 |
| JayDugger | No. | 19:31 |
| JayDugger | kanzure attends. | 19:31 |
| ybit | as does fenn | 19:31 |
| ybit | ...and myself | 19:31 |
| JayDugger | Did you see C. Peterson's talk? | 19:32 |
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| ybit | JayDugger: i've seen them all | 19:37 |
| JayDugger | What did you think of her presentation? | 19:37 |
| genehacker | alex lightman's in the videochat | 19:37 |
| kanzure | http://spacecollective.org/ | 19:46 |
| genehacker | thanks for the link | 19:49 |
| genehacker | wonder if they have any self-replicator projects | 19:49 |
| genehacker | damn too much flash | 19:50 |
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| katsmeow-afk | kanzure that url has a link to http://www.fantasticcontraption.com/ which has a fake security full screen popup | 20:48 |
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