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| genehacker2 | *cell | 00:00 |
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| genehacker2 | and assembly | 00:00 |
| fenn | yeah it's called a metrology frame | 00:00 |
| fenn | why re-fixture when you can do it in place | 00:00 |
| fenn | anyway that's getting ahead of ourselves | 00:01 |
| fenn | nobody is doing hobby-level CMM that i know of | 00:01 |
| genehacker2 | what about when you're assembling multiple parts? | 00:03 |
| genehacker2 | so the idea is, here's some cad files for an iron man suit go build them robots | 00:08 |
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| genehacker2 | so all those pallet changing mills start milling pieces for the suit, transfer them to a transfer system to the assembling station where they're assembled | 00:10 |
| genehacker2 | Today two or more CNC machines are considered a flexible cell and two ore more cells are considered a flexible manufacturing system. | 00:11 |
| genehacker2 | Thus, a Flexible Manufacturing System (FMS) consists of several machine tools along with part and tool handling devices such as robots, arranged so that it can handle any family of parts for which it has been designed and developed. | 00:11 |
| genehacker2 | http://www.uky.edu/~dsianita/611/fms.html | 00:11 |
| kanzure | germany's first fablab: http://hci.rwth-aachen.de/fablab | 00:14 |
| genehacker2 | we really need one here... | 00:15 |
| kanzure | i'm not so sure what i want any more: something mobile, or something in one place, and if it's in one place, where do i want it? | 00:16 |
| genehacker2 | why do you want a mobile fab lab? | 00:17 |
| kanzure | because being stuck in one spot sucks | 00:17 |
| kanzure | but to be honest i don't really move much | 00:17 |
| kanzure | but maybe i don't move because it's so annoyingly difficult? whatever | 00:17 |
| genehacker2 | so first off what do you need for a fab lab? | 00:17 |
| genehacker2 | and is it impractical to move by road | 00:18 |
| genehacker2 | would you need a convoy full of fablab equipment to move a fablab | 00:19 |
| kanzure | no, CBA did one in a trailer | 00:19 |
| kanzure | but it was kind of cramped and honestly i don't think it had everything | 00:19 |
| kanzure | it looked like it was just an epilog laser.. but what do i know | 00:19 |
| genehacker2 | so what advantages does a mobile fab lab have? | 00:20 |
| kanzure | you're not stuck | 00:20 |
| genehacker2 | and? | 00:20 |
| genehacker2 | so how do people find the mobile fab lab? | 00:21 |
| kanzure | it's probably stuck in a parking lot somewhere now | 00:21 |
| kanzure | but it was active in 2007 | 00:21 |
| kanzure | there's a youtube video about it | 00:21 |
| kanzure | http://youtube.com/user/kanzure has it listed somewhere | 00:21 |
| genehacker2 | I saw the video | 00:22 |
| genehacker2 | where does the fab lab park? | 00:22 |
| kanzure | i don't know, otherwise i'd go hijack it's ass :) | 00:22 |
| kanzure | its' | 00:22 |
| kanzure | er | 00:22 |
| kanzure | it's | 00:22 |
| fenn | doesn't seem very flexible if everything has to be a cube | 00:24 |
| genehacker2 | are you perhaps trying to make a mobile war robot factory? | 00:24 |
| kanzure | no go away | 00:24 |
| genehacker2 | there would be advantages to making that mobile | 00:24 |
| genehacker2 | perhaps a fab lab would be useful for holding hackerspace meetings anywhere | 00:25 |
| genehacker2 | so I guess there can be advantages | 00:26 |
| fenn | the important thing i think is to separate mass and function, so you can throw away the mass when its time to transport | 00:26 |
| fenn | that's what i did with the gingery.. built a big chunk of concrete to sit on | 00:27 |
| fenn | of course volume is a problem too, but less so since you can usually disassemble things for better packing | 00:27 |
| genehacker2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_fab_lab | 00:27 |
| genehacker2 | inventory | 00:27 |
| fenn | ooo so impressive "The custom cabinetry within the trailer is an example of a lab producing a part of another lab." | 00:28 |
| kanzure | andrew wants to do HCL+microprocessors to make some money off of the gold | 00:28 |
| fenn | DIY cabinets! | 00:28 |
| * fenn forgot the snark marks | 00:28 | |
| genehacker2 | oh dear | 00:28 |
| genehacker2 | that can get pretty messy | 00:28 |
| kanzure | yeah i'm trying to tell him he's a moron | 00:29 |
| genehacker2 | why not just vaporize them with intense sunlight and extract all useful elements | 00:29 |
| genehacker2 | there isn't much gold in microchips | 00:30 |
| fenn | how come nobody has made a hektor inkjet wall printer yet? | 00:30 |
| genehacker2 | http://www.theuncommonsenseblog.com/blog.asp?id=179 | 00:31 |
| genehacker2 | BUY UP MICROCHIPS SELL THEM WHEN YOU ARE LOW ON CASH | 00:32 |
| kanzure | does inkjet work upside down and sideways? | 00:32 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: any hints? has NASA flown up an inkjet or laserjet yet | 00:32 |
| genehacker2 | yes | 00:33 |
| genehacker2 | they ahve | 00:33 |
| kanzure | er, s/laserjet/laser printer/ | 00:33 |
| genehacker2 | actually got to see one about to go to the space station and I asked them about it | 00:33 |
| fenn | genehacker2: that was the stupidest article i've read in a long time. thanks. | 00:33 |
| genehacker2 | no modifications except for a coating on the electronics to prevent accumulated moisture from mucking things up | 00:34 |
| genehacker2 | you're welcome | 00:34 |
| genehacker2 | kanzure if the droplets are small enough it shouldn't matter | 00:35 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: I believe there is a color printer on-orbit | 00:36 |
| QuantumG | they're always going on about using up the color ink | 00:36 |
| QuantumG | no idea if it is inkjet :) | 00:36 |
| genehacker2 | I think the one I saw was an inkjet | 00:37 |
| kanzure | oh man | 00:37 |
| genehacker2 | not sure though | 00:37 |
| kanzure | he's playing with sulfuric acid and 99% HCL | 00:37 |
| kanzure | 16M HCL | 00:37 |
| kanzure | ok not 99% | 00:37 |
| genehacker2 | who's doing this? | 00:37 |
| kanzure | andrew | 00:38 |
| kanzure | younger brother of mine | 00:38 |
| genehacker2 | why? | 00:38 |
| genehacker2 | to make money? | 00:38 |
| kanzure | he has access to chemicals through his high school | 00:38 |
| genehacker2 | or just to dissolve the chip? | 00:38 |
| genehacker2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digger_gold | 00:42 |
| fenn | http://improbable.com/2009/12/09/cant-kiss-a-cardboard-vampire/ | 01:27 |
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| kanzure | http://www.wired.com/beyond_the_beyond/2009/11/the-humanityplus-summit/ hm.. "frabratories" ?? | 10:17 |
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| kanzure | i wonder why "google goggles" only works on an android | 11:05 |
| kanzure | in particular this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhgfz0zPmH4 | 11:06 |
| Utopiah | because Google is sponsoring Android? | 11:06 |
| kanzure | no i mean why wouldn't they allow this to work on youtube or something | 11:10 |
| kanzure | oh well. off to another meeting. | 11:10 |
| kanzure | shouldn't there be a tool by now to predict whether or not a tweet will be retweeted? | 11:12 |
| kanzure | i'm hungry for some data | 11:12 |
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| kanzure | can anyone find this? Path loss, scattering and multipath delay statistics in four European cities for digital cellular and microcellular radiotelephone | 12:28 |
| faceface | lemmy check | 12:56 |
| faceface | seems not | 12:57 |
| faceface | do you have that ff extension that finds passwords for you? | 13:02 |
| faceface | I never tried it, but it may help here | 13:02 |
| kanzure | i don't know what you're talking about | 13:11 |
| Utopiah | faceface: http://www.bugmenot.com/ with https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6349 | 13:13 |
| * faceface retweets Utopiah @kanzure | 13:18 | |
| Utopiah | faceface: about the open chain? | 13:20 |
| Utopiah | regarding your http://www.slideshare.net/danbolser/wikipedia-and-the-global-brain you might like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-species_foraging_flock if you didn't know it yet | 13:22 |
| faceface | open chain? | 13:30 |
| faceface | Utopiah: nice | 13:30 |
| faceface | bacterial films are the same | 13:30 |
| faceface | films are collective behaviour in bacteria that is highly relevant to antibiotic resistance and other 'big' problems | 13:31 |
| faceface | generally they form the film as a mix of species | 13:31 |
| Utopiah | faceface: oh, since you said retweets I thought you meant actually on twitter and since I talked about open manufacting (as a part of the overall production chain) I guessed it was related, but you actually meant on IRC for bugmenot | 13:33 |
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| faceface | yeah | 13:38 |
| faceface | currently I'm tweeting my musical choices, but I'm not sure why | 13:38 |
| faceface | before that it was my bash commands. | 13:38 |
| faceface | you can find about a months worth of bash commands on one of my twitter accounts | 13:39 |
| faceface | nobody seemed to notice ;-) | 13:39 |
| Utopiah | faceface: if you want to make your bash commands public try http://shell-sink.blogspot.com/ or http://www.commandlinefu.com/ | 13:40 |
| faceface | cool | 13:41 |
| Utopiah | CommandLifeFu provides RSS so if you want, as a welcome screen you can have the command of the day | 13:41 |
| Utopiah | lol, CommandLiNeFu ;) | 13:42 |
| Utopiah | there is still no CLI for real life (no, crappy domotics doesn't count) | 13:43 |
| faceface | Results 1 - 10 of about 101 for "lifefoo" -fighters | 13:43 |
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| kanzure | ugh mackenzie is doing a biobrick trading card game.. with the freeze-dried samples on the cards themselves | 14:19 |
| faceface | kanzure: I guess it's OK, if your target audience is 5 | 14:22 |
| faceface | years old | 14:22 |
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| CIA-33 | skdb: kanzure voiced * r d77780e /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: fix XYZ issue on saving graphs | 16:21 |
| CIA-33 | skdb: kanzure voiced * r 89253c9 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: add shapes to the gxml output | 16:39 |
| kanzure | wtf why would they graft human penises to rat kidneys | 16:49 |
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| CIA-33 | skdb: kanzure voiced * r 682ae23 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: fix localLabel->string | 17:36 |
| CIA-33 | skdb: kanzure voiced * r be14906 /thirdparty/graphsynth.py: fix localVariable->double | 17:37 |
| ybit | wtf is with this http://pastebin.com/m4a1ff96c | 17:40 |
| ybit | kanzure: #bioinformatics is talking about you | 17:41 |
| ybit | ..and saying dirty words like courageous | 17:41 |
| ybit | i made up that last part | 17:42 |
| kanzure | probably a swig problem | 17:43 |
| kanzure | mac's sister is cooler than my sister :( | 17:50 |
| kanzure | she writes in complete sentences :( | 17:50 |
| ybit | kanzure or fenn: will one of you put your python2.6/site-packages/OCC/AlienImage.py file somewhere i can copy | 18:14 |
| ybit | mine looks like there are quite a few lines missing | 18:15 |
| ybit | there's an incomplete class declaration | 18:15 |
| Utopiah | http://gizmodo.com/5415331/lg-expo-its-got-a-pico-projector-bolted-to-the-back-of-course | 18:17 |
| ybit | ah, nm | 18:25 |
| kanzure | you're doing something wrong if you have to manually edit it | 18:30 |
| bkero | You guys do your conference yet? | 18:36 |
| kanzure | bkero: yep | 18:40 |
| kanzure | bkero: video is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n39RK4inzg | 18:40 |
| ybit | bkero: that was this past weekend | 18:40 |
| bkero | Sad I couldn't go, that's pretty awesome | 18:40 |
| ybit | kanzure: yeah, i've never had to edit the file... i'm thinking that it was missing some stuff from a previous install when i stopped whatever it was doing in the middle | 18:40 |
| bkero | Last week was dead week and this week is finals though. :( Tough | 18:46 |
| bkero | Although I didn't have anything on Monday, I could have probably gotten away with it | 18:46 |
| bkero | kanzure: Love the "Say you were stranded on Mars..." section | 18:49 |
| QuantumG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferroelectricity | 18:50 |
| QuantumG | http://www.physics.rutgers.edu/grad/681/mathur_scott_mferroics.pdf | 18:50 |
| QuantumG | http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0912/0912.1031v1.pdf | 18:50 |
| QuantumG | All very interesting, now what we need is someone to turn all that | 18:50 |
| QuantumG | "talk" into an experiment which produces *observable* results. | 18:50 |
| kanzure | wait wait i thought you would have known about ferroelectricity and ferromagnetism and so on? | 18:51 |
| kanzure | and pyroelectricity and such | 18:51 |
| QuantumG | ya, it's the last paper which is new | 18:52 |
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| kanzure | salt water electroplating for machining? | 20:49 |
| kanzure | at least that's the idea that trey is pitching me for the moment | 20:50 |
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| kanzure | hi danielcc | 21:02 |
| kanzure | please feel free to jot down your notes on electroplating machining | 21:03 |
| danielcc | hows everyone today? | 21:03 |
| danielcc | ah | 21:03 |
| danielcc | yes | 21:03 |
| danielcc | reverse electroplating | 21:03 |
| kanzure | oops | 21:03 |
| danielcc | basicly you use electricity and a electrolyte to etch away a material | 21:03 |
| danielcc | you can be as precise or damaging as you want | 21:04 |
| danielcc | here is a poorly done example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OInsU-DFgY | 21:05 |
| danielcc | anyhow | 21:05 |
| danielcc | you can fit a small needle onto a cnc and carve out what ever the hell you want | 21:05 |
| danielcc | interestingly it is also a good way to recover gold and other precious metals | 21:07 |
| kanzure | genehacker: you around? | 21:21 |
| kanzure | weren't you wanting to do this | 21:21 |
| kanzure | fenn: carissa was so excited today and she wanted to show me something on my laptop.. she pulled up ldd.lego.com and was so sad when it wasn't linux compatible. | 21:35 |
| kanzure | were you running it under wine? | 21:35 |
| genehacker | yes I think I'm around | 21:38 |
| genehacker | suffering from a bit of finals fallout though | 21:39 |
| danielcc | arent we all | 21:39 |
| genehacker | it's not electroplating machining it's called | 21:39 |
| genehacker | let me dig out my book | 21:39 |
| danielcc | nothing the captain cant fix lol | 21:39 |
| genehacker | shaped tube electrolyte machining | 21:40 |
| genehacker | it's a form of electrochemical machining | 21:41 |
| genehacker | oh dang | 21:41 |
| genehacker | theo gray did that | 21:41 |
| danielcc | indeed | 21:41 |
| genehacker | now where the heck is my popular science I know I'm subscribed to it, but it never shows up... | 21:42 |
| danielcc | im thinking using something like a hypodermic needle | 21:43 |
| danielcc | for precision work | 21:43 |
| danielcc | just use low voltage high amp | 21:43 |
| genehacker | so here's what i've heard | 21:43 |
| genehacker | stainless steel doesn't do so well electrochemically | 21:44 |
| genehacker | something about the chlorine or something like that | 21:44 |
| genehacker | but it's worth a try, I've been wanting to do the exact same thing | 21:44 |
| danielcc | i hear it makes some nasty fumes | 21:44 |
| genehacker | though you might not want to use a hypodermic needle, those things are sharp | 21:44 |
| danielcc | well | 21:45 |
| danielcc | something allong the lines | 21:45 |
| danielcc | thing thing tube | 21:45 |
| danielcc | you can grind or cut the tip off | 21:45 |
| genehacker | pah, just direct the fumes through something highly basic like limestone to neutralize the HCl | 21:45 |
| genehacker | hypodermic needles are hard to buy | 21:45 |
| genehacker | buy blunt tiped dispensing needles instead | 21:45 |
| genehacker | http://www.zeph.com/applicator_tips.htm | 21:46 |
| genehacker | I bought some for a flamethrower | 21:46 |
| danielcc | not really. any farm supply store has them for roughly 50 cents a piece. | 21:47 |
| danielcc | wait flamethrower? | 21:48 |
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| genehacker | dispensing needles are nice because they're made for dispensing and blunt tipped | 21:49 |
| genehacker | yeah flame thrower | 21:49 |
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| ybit | i'm here | 22:03 |
| kanzure | marcin's number is 816 256 3839 | 22:03 |
| ybit | gracias | 22:03 |
| ybit | that was super quick | 22:03 |
| kanzure | did you just insult my mother | 22:03 |
| kanzure | james jones left a message? huh 830 612 1305 | 22:04 |
| ybit | where is marcin's place in missouri? i'm sitting with a friend here in a trucker stop, and we are thinking of going to missouri, just wondering where marcin's place is located.. | 22:06 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure. i have family in odessa btw | 22:06 |
| kanzure | in fact, andrew and carissa will be there this coming week | 22:07 |
| kanzure | (apparently i'm not attending christmas) | 22:07 |
| ybit | i didnt' know you had a brother | 22:32 |
| ybit | what's his age? | 22:32 |
| kanzure | 17 | 22:32 |
| ybit | hmm, what does he get into? | 22:33 |
| ybit | and why is he not on irc? | 22:33 |
| kanzure | business and money | 22:33 |
| kanzure | he thinks i'm mentally retarded. maybe i am. | 22:34 |
| genehacker2 | he's the one trying to dissolve microchips to get the gold | 22:35 |
| genehacker2 | I think the gold in there is equivalent to the amount of aluminum in a potato chip bag | 22:35 |
| kanzure | none? | 22:38 |
| kanzure | he was saying gold is at $1.2k/oz | 22:38 |
| genehacker2 | wrong | 22:40 |
| kanzure | yes he is wrong very often | 22:40 |
| genehacker2 | wrong it's ~$600 per ounce | 22:40 |
| genehacker2 | off by a factor of two | 22:41 |
| genehacker2 | anyway you'd best tell him about all those nasty heavy metals he'll have to dispose of | 22:43 |
| genehacker2 | or he'll go mad as a hatter or the EPA will for him | 22:43 |
| genehacker2 | did you hear about that mercury incident? | 22:43 |
| genehacker2 | well some kids found a bottle of mercury in their school, they had no idea what it was and basically spread it everywhere, homes, school, playground, local businesses ETC | 22:44 |
| genehacker2 | the EPA spent a lot of money cleaning it up because mecury levels exceeded federal guidelines by many factors | 22:45 |
| genehacker2 | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/12/open_source_hardware_2009_-_the_def.html | 23:11 |
| -!- mindspillage is now known as mind|wandering | 23:50 | |
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