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technologicle1 | i met with les about a hackerspace - and no reply from the other lead | 00:02 |
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kanzure | ah good | 00:03 |
technologicle1 | he said $250/month for a space | 00:03 |
kanzure | he never gave fenn a key | 00:03 |
kanzure | honestly i think we should put something together elsewhere | 00:04 |
technologicle1 | i was polite, but i think a diferent model would work better | 00:04 |
technologicle1 | well, there is some space at my place | 00:04 |
kanzure | yeah i just don't have any funding | 00:04 |
kanzure | how much space? | 00:04 |
kanzure | and what do you.. er, have? | 00:05 |
technologicle1 | the way i see it i already pay rent and the garage is unused | 00:05 |
technologicle1 | as well as the second living room | 00:05 |
kanzure | how big is the garage?? location? | 00:05 |
kanzure | sorry for the double question marks | 00:05 |
kanzure | i'm lagging over here (uploading more youtube videos ) | 00:05 |
technologicle1 | but theres internet and infrastructure - kitchen water electric rest room | 00:06 |
kanzure | i'm at south lamar and ben white (near les' shop) | 00:06 |
technologicle1 | spelling and puctuation are rules to be altered as one sees fit ; ) | 00:06 |
technologicle1 | i'm off of stassney and 1st, pretty close myself | 00:07 |
kanzure | that sounds like expensive real estate | 00:07 |
technologicle1 | a few things struck me as odd about the deal | 00:07 |
technologicle1 | and yes 250 for a cubicle that is yet to be built and a questionable leadership is pricey | 00:08 |
kanzure | yep | 00:08 |
kanzure | they still aren't built? | 00:08 |
technologicle1 | nothing - and for someone who says they have been there for 20 years and is a woodworker - that seems odd | 00:09 |
technologicle1 | i could frame up a room out of scrap lumber in a day w/ a broken leg - and not all that much practice | 00:10 |
kanzure | well. i'm free tomorrow after noon if you want to hang out some. i just have to do this tech demo at the uni and then i'm hopping back home | 00:10 |
technologicle1 | helll ya - is it dorkbot? | 00:10 |
kanzure | (demo is at 8 in the morning, guh) | 00:10 |
kanzure | no i'm not going | 00:10 |
kanzure | i've been lamed out by them too many times | 00:10 |
technologicle1 | i would but i don't know about Uni parking - College station scarred me | 00:10 |
kanzure | there is no parking, you'd have to show up by bus | 00:11 |
technologicle1 | ug - i wasnt kidding about the broken leg | 00:11 |
technologicle1 | thats fine - i don't need to see LEDs - it's all about the people | 00:12 |
kanzure | so yeah, how about lunch? i'm cooped up in here all day. . | 00:12 |
technologicle1 | this might be percieved as lame - but a facebook page could go a long way in bringing people together | 00:12 |
kanzure | ihave one and it hasn't done much for me | 00:12 |
technologicle1 | great - i can provide transport or meet anywhere | 00:12 |
technologicle1 | i'm working with a 'social media consultant' and artists and musicians - i might have just the thing | 00:13 |
kanzure | who? what? | 00:13 |
technologicle1 | her name is Meg Strout - she does this professionally | 00:14 |
kanzure | anyway, i'll give you a call tomorrow | 00:14 |
technologicle1 | we are putting together this 'Artist Collective' type thing | 00:14 |
kanzure | i'm falling asleep | 00:14 |
technologicle1 | but to me it is more than that | 00:14 |
kanzure | oh boy.. more artists | 00:14 |
technologicle1 | rest up | 00:14 |
technologicle1 | - i consider it practice for the Open Source Movement that is about to take off ; ) | 00:15 |
kanzure | marcin jakubowski's talk (1/2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpGyDjvTqaQ | 00:15 |
technologicle1 | the artist musician stuff is my - helping the community - i do tech stuff for them when they need it - or inform them that they do need it | 00:16 |
kanzure | marcin jakubowski's talk (2/2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2mzNhQG0ug | 00:16 |
technologicle1 | so ya - i'll let you get to your presentation, then you can call or messege me whenever | 00:16 |
technologicle1 | i'll send my number by g chat | 00:17 |
technologicle1 | i have your number in my phone already - just in case ; 0 | 00:17 |
kanzure | o' | 00:19 |
kanzure | i've been really surprised by how few random internet calls i get (0) | 00:19 |
technologicle1 | riiight - when i get an unlimited service i will proble be more free about posting it - gotta get a webphone - smartphone anything w/ linux | 00:20 |
technologicle1 | but then again i get random stuff anyway - so i might as well make better use of the service | 00:23 |
kanzure | i'm serious. i get nothing. :( | 00:25 |
kanzure | maybe i don't know my own number? | 00:25 |
technologicle1 | i would say most of the calls i get (not many) i do not want | 00:26 |
kanzure | here's a list of all calls i have received: | 00:26 |
technologicle1 | but i'm not much of a phone person | 00:26 |
kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog.txt | 00:26 |
technologicle1 | how did you get that? | 00:26 |
kanzure | i made it | 00:26 |
technologicle1 | and i want to know more about the 1000 tabs thing were mentioned | 00:27 |
technologicle1 | did you tether to a computer and download it? | 00:27 |
kanzure | your sentence broke (or i'm half asleep- watching the rest of star wars) | 00:27 |
technologicle1 | the bit about how you keep all your info and people organized | 00:28 |
kanzure | in due time | 00:29 |
kanzure | night world | 00:29 |
fenn | huh lee is from austin | 00:30 |
technologicle1 | hey fenn - been rading your posts for awhile - lots of good links | 00:32 |
technologicle1 | i'm in austin | 00:32 |
technologicle1 | i moved here in part because a hackerspace was supposed to open - like last month | 00:33 |
technologicle1 | also this is the heart of the texas silicon valley | 00:33 |
technologicle1 | i figured there would be broken wafers and lab equimpent lining the streets | 00:33 |
technologicle1 | and a wealth of technically minded people | 00:34 |
technologicle1 | the way i see it - this is where everyones hard work comes together and takes off | 00:34 |
fenn | yeah i heard something about this top-secret hackerspace | 00:34 |
kanzure | huh? | 00:34 |
kanzure | er, i mean, snore snore snore | 00:35 |
technologicle1 | tell me more - as for the moment - i want to use my place - i work around the clock anyway | 00:35 |
fenn | technologicle1: i think maybe you were thinking of singapore or shenzhen | 00:35 |
technologicle1 | MAN - if the shenzhen would get into reprap and all this Open Manufacturing - it would be done by now! | 00:36 |
technologicle1 | - with a built in radio - ; ) | 00:36 |
technologicle1 | oh and not that it matters but that is supposed to be technologiclee - whatev | 00:36 |
fenn | heh they are decades ahead of us | 00:37 |
technologicle1 | really thou - how could we get in contact with them | 00:37 |
fenn | er. learn chinese? | 00:37 |
technologicle1 | i did not see an email addy in the articles poster to Open Manu. ; 0 | 00:37 |
technologicle1 | umm realisticly they can speak english better than i will ever speak chinease | 00:38 |
fenn | you are probably right | 00:38 |
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technologicle1 | although i have thought it would nice to get a job proofreading their manuals and such | 00:38 |
fenn | i think a lot of the engrish comes from bad dictionaries | 00:39 |
fenn | its like whoever wrote the dictionary didnt know english | 00:39 |
technologicle1 | seems like babblefish would do the trick | 00:39 |
technologicle1 | who in austin has a rep rap or such? | 00:39 |
fenn | so to translate engrish -> english you have to use one of the bad dictionaries to figure out what they're trying to say | 00:39 |
fenn | hm. david treadwell has a makerbot, not sure if it's assembled yet | 00:40 |
fenn | i dont really know anyone in austin i guess | 00:40 |
technologicle1 | i pretty much understand everyone - regardless - i learned all the rules - i just don't think it is necessary to use them | 00:41 |
fenn | nah some of these are like code words | 00:41 |
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technologicle1 | well then - surely we (i) can order some parts - ur just use a couple of scanners or printers | 00:41 |
fenn | i'd suggest not trying to build a mcwire - the design is bad | 00:42 |
technologicle1 | i saw the group Linux Against Poverty - put linux on about 300 computers and gave them away | 00:42 |
fenn | cool | 00:42 |
fenn | getting people to actually use them is harder | 00:42 |
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technologicle1 | right here in Austin - somewhere there is a pile of computer 'junk' that need some repurposing | 00:43 |
fenn | i always wanted to do a mesh wifi internet on given away junk computers | 00:43 |
technologicle1 | i don't know - give a computer to a kid and watch them go - or maybe that is just my crowd | 00:43 |
technologicle1 | MIT put together a mesh network that covers the city | 00:44 |
technologicle1 | they have antennas on roofs all over town and people donate their bandwidth | 00:44 |
technologicle1 | Austin has some free wifi - but with a 1 hour timeout | 00:44 |
fenn | weird | 00:45 |
fenn | its not that hard to spoof a mac address | 00:45 |
technologicle1 | i watched Corpuc Christ build a wireless network for the whole city and then turn it over to a private company... | 00:45 |
technologicle1 | i[m not into spoofing anything - i want straight up Open | 00:45 |
technologicle1 | no proprietary software - and as soon as i can get off of proprietary harware i will | 00:46 |
technologicle1 | at least i go with AMD/linux | 00:46 |
fenn | yeah the whole fucking planet should have free wifi by now | 00:47 |
fenn | there's no excuse | 00:47 |
technologicle1 | riiiiight - gee wilakers | 00:47 |
technologicle1 | exactly - so i have this idea... | 00:47 |
fenn | we should be shooting wifi cruise missiles into rural pakistan | 00:47 |
technologicle1 | you can put a satelite into low earth orbit for 8,000$ | 00:47 |
fenn | uhm. no | 00:47 |
technologicle1 | how many would it take to give planetary coverage? - i get the link.. | 00:48 |
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QuantumG | you can get a nonsense promise to put a sat into LEO for $8k | 00:48 |
technologicle1 | http://www.google.com/search?q=%248%2C000+satellite | 00:49 |
technologicle1 | maybe it is nonsense but the say they will put it up there - that is launch cost and all - note the orbit does degrade after a few weeks | 00:50 |
technologicle1 | i saw a page about sugar fueled amature rockets getting up to the edge of space | 00:50 |
QuantumG | if all you want is a promise by someone with no track record, I can supply that for $8k :) | 00:51 |
technologicle1 | ok - i'll have 24 please ; ) | 00:51 |
technologicle1 | well let me dig a little - see if they have any success - either way there are new avenues for getting somthing into space | 00:52 |
technologicle1 | or maybe that is not necessary - those Australian kids got up to the edge of space w/ a baloon for about $300 | 00:53 |
fenn | "edge of space" is totally useless | 00:53 |
fenn | the only magic number is orbital velocity | 00:54 |
randallagordon | note that that is only a half pound payload too...while that has great applications for tinkerers, it would be a real feat to do something "useful" with...props to anyone who pulls it off though | 00:54 |
QuantumG | its not *totally* useless, sounding rockets are a real market | 00:54 |
fenn | who uses sounding rockets? | 00:54 |
technologicle1 | they claim that it can handle a radio repeater - for HAMS | 00:54 |
fenn | a tiny handful of atmospheric and plasma researchers | 00:54 |
QuantumG | and anyone who manufacturers parts for space | 00:54 |
randallagordon | indeed, you could do some nifty stuff with APRS | 00:54 |
fenn | QuantumG: what can you possibly learn with a sounding rocket about a part's performance in space? | 00:55 |
technologicle1 | right packets over radio... | 00:55 |
randallagordon | But you can do more with a surplus weather balloon... | 00:55 |
technologicle1 | its in the linux repository.. | 00:55 |
QuantumG | fenn: minutes of exposure to space environment are better than no minutes of exposure to space environment. | 00:55 |
randallagordon | QuantumG's got a good point there | 00:56 |
randallagordon | Actually, speaking of balloons, anyone heard/seen any new tidbits about Google's involvement with SpaceData? | 00:57 |
technologicle1 | for my next shpeil..... there are all these ideas and projects, being a systems engineer - is there anywhere that organizes them into a heirchy - as in - if we had x than we could do Y - and then have free space based wifi - abundant food and clean water for everyone? | 01:00 |
technologicle1 | oh and i would contribute to SKDB or whatever - but i'm an engineer with a smidgeon of programming - so if i just knew where to put the data... | 01:01 |
technologicle1 | hey rag - sent you a link about your plants - no i did not hear about G-SpaeData | 01:02 |
technologicle1 | here it is http://www.google.com/search?q=google+space+data | 01:03 |
fenn | technologicle1: um. you just described skdb, asking if it existed, then said you'd contribute to it? | 01:03 |
randallagordon | yeah I've googled it plenty of times, just curious if I may have missed something past the original announcement...personally I think it is a far better bet than using sats | 01:04 |
technologicle1 | yep ; ) but to me you guys are still working on it and it does not change my world yet | 01:05 |
fenn | so you are asking if we're done yet? | 01:05 |
randallagordon | and, sent me a link? I saw you favorited me on Picasa? | 01:05 |
fenn | the answer is no, we're not done | 01:05 |
technologicle1 | so this is the part where i see that it is what i have been looking for all this and start helping out - | 01:05 |
fenn | right | 01:05 |
technologicle1 | it was a picassa comment aout growing tubs and fighting algea | 01:06 |
fenn | i'm supposed to be writing documentation "how to get started" but i dont know where to start :) | 01:06 |
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technologicle1 | hahah - i know the .deb is on the way for us mere engineers.. | 01:06 |
randallagordon | "Step 1:" ;) | 01:06 |
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technologicle1 | ya - i've followed the link to skdb every time it has been posted | 01:07 |
technologicle1 | just did not know what to do with it | 01:07 |
fenn | well it doesnt do anything yet | 01:08 |
fenn | because there's no data | 01:08 |
fenn | and nobody contributes data because you can't do anything with it yet | 01:08 |
fenn | sigh | 01:08 |
randallagordon | terrible situation | 01:08 |
* fenn looks around for more chocolate | 01:08 | |
technologicle1 | really i would like to have contributed - but i see myself being a data adder | 01:09 |
fenn | fwiw trader joes' chocolate sucks | 01:09 |
* randallagordon doesn't have a lick of real CAD experience...needs to learn... | 01:09 | |
technologicle1 | hey - i'm not trying bust any chops - i just ask everyone for the things i am looking for | 01:09 |
fenn | i hope this guy stanley knutson meets up with me | 01:10 |
fenn | he worked on a knowledge based engineering project in the 80's and 90's | 01:10 |
fenn | so if anyone wants to help me write how-to documents that'd be great | 01:11 |
technologicle1 | i volunteer - this is my life! | 01:12 |
fenn | ok so what is the first thing you try to do with the software | 01:12 |
technologicle1 | so it is supposed to print stuff right? | 01:12 |
technologicle1 | or maybe i need to back up | 01:13 |
fenn | so you go to the website, currently at http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/skdb | 01:13 |
fenn | click on installing_skdb | 01:13 |
fenn | now pretend you know nothing.. is that enough information to get started? | 01:14 |
technologicle1 | yes i need flying submarines - ok check | 01:14 |
randallagordon | for most people who are going to be able to contribute, yes | 01:14 |
randallagordon | for most people who are going to be interested in using the package, no | 01:14 |
randallagordon | you've got a hurdle setup that can act as a great filter if you want to use it that way right now... | 01:15 |
fenn | ok good enough for now | 01:15 |
fenn | i tend to dislike barrier to entry | 01:15 |
randallagordon | as do I | 01:15 |
technologicle1 | that is a good asumption - but i'm up to navigating with ls, cd and the make make install routine | 01:15 |
fenn | there is a lot of stuff on that install page which may or may not be useful | 01:16 |
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fenn | anyway.. so we've installed yaml and units at least, that should cover the core functionality | 01:17 |
randallagordon | (I almost hate to ask) has anyone been running/developing skdb from a Windows environment? | 01:17 |
fenn | no | 01:17 |
fenn | it "ought to work" but i really really dont want to deal with that headache | 01:17 |
technologicle1 | being ignorant - this seems like it could be made into an install script... which i guess is what the .deb is about... | 01:18 |
fenn | that is an install script... (that's why it's an included file) | 01:18 |
randallagordon | I was thinking maybe I could take on that headache...although at the same time I really do need to simply determine why virtualizing Ubuntu is running agonizingly slow | 01:18 |
fenn | not enough memory? | 01:19 |
randallagordon | 8GB on a Phenom II X4 955BE... | 01:19 |
technologicle1 | does windows recognize all 8 gig? | 01:19 |
randallagordon | I need to do some tweaking...that, or set things up properly and run things in the opposite direction and put Win in the VM ;) | 01:20 |
randallagordon | yeah, 64-bit Win7 | 01:20 |
fenn | ok so you both can open up python and do 'import skdb' without errors? | 01:21 |
technologicle1 | if you can do it - go for it! | 01:21 |
randallagordon | I think I just need to tell ol' VirtualBox to use AMD-V | 01:21 |
technologicle1 | do i need to do the sudo apt get for yaml and all that first? | 01:22 |
fenn | yeah | 01:25 |
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fenn | i just had a delicious user interface idea | 01:30 |
fenn | you can do head tracking with a webcam, and from that make an immersive 3d viewport with a plain old monitor | 01:30 |
fenn | now make all the windows halfway transparent and stacked up along the z axis | 01:31 |
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fenn | when you move your head around they'll move slightly on the screen, so you can look 'through' the top layers at windows below | 01:31 |
fenn | something like this for 'screen' would be nice too | 01:32 |
technologicle1 | nice, - did you see Johnny Lee's headtracking using the wiimote? | 01:32 |
fenn | yeah | 01:32 |
fenn | that's where i got the idea | 01:32 |
technologicle1 | well maybe talk to him - he has quite a following | 01:33 |
technologicle1 | is this normal? | 01:33 |
fenn | i dont want to rely on a particular piece of hardware | 01:33 |
technologicle1 | E: Couldn't find package libigraph | 01:33 |
technologicle1 | lee@EV007:~/local$ bzr get -r330 http://bzr.bugseverywhere.org/be | 01:33 |
technologicle1 | Branched 330 revision(s). | 01:33 |
fenn | i guess | 01:34 |
fenn | i havent installed bugseverywhere actually | 01:34 |
technologicle1 | oh - it's about the software - a webcam would work fine - i have seen where they can even track eye movement or detect people looking over your shoulder | 01:34 |
technologicle1 | well i'm just going down that list on the install page | 01:34 |
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fenn | yeah a laptop in a computer store the other day tried to recognize my face to log in as admin | 01:34 |
fenn | if you can open python and do 'import skdb' with no errors then i consider it installed | 01:36 |
technologicle1 | scary cool - i just did this step sudo python setup.py install | 01:36 |
fenn | actually if you run the unit tests you will know what works and what doesnt | 01:36 |
technologicle1 | i guess i do not need thcommented out stuff like cherry.py ? | 01:36 |
fenn | no that is for the website | 01:37 |
randallagordon | heh, my vm is still plugging away installing the packages... | 01:37 |
technologicle1 | this has similar dependancies to NE-1 that i spent so much time learning to install | 01:37 |
technologicle1 | E: Version '3.1.2-1' for 'python-cherrypy3' was not found is this version not in the standard ubuntu repository? | 01:38 |
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fenn | why is it expecting 3.1.2-1 in particular? | 01:42 |
fenn | kanzure? | 01:42 |
randallagordon | ...aye, something is goofy...I have VirtualBox set to use AMD-V, but when I run the VM it is telling me it is disabled... | 01:43 |
randallagordon | That would explain why it isn't exactly fast on its feet, heh | 01:44 |
technologicle1 | because that is what i cut and pasted? | 01:48 |
technologicle1 | ok this line - sudo python setup.py build -NO_GEOM gives NameError: name 'classic' is not defined | 01:49 |
technologicle1 | git clone http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb.git = lee@EV007:~/code$ git clone http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb.git | 01:51 |
technologicle1 | Initialized empty Git repository in /home/lee/code/skdb/.git/ | 01:51 |
technologicle1 | /usr/bin/git-clone: 374: curl: not found | 01:51 |
technologicle1 | vim ~/code/skdb/config.yaml this file is empty.. | 01:52 |
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technologicle1 | dam it - i went to do crt w q to close vim and closed the chat channel - i was using that to make notes.... | 01:54 |
randallagordon | whoops | 01:54 |
technologicle1 | anyway now how do i see if this thing works? python import skdb ? | 01:55 |
randallagordon | yay, git is done finally...import skdb gives me "You probably don't have pythonOCC installed correctly"...sweet, a useful error! :) | 01:55 |
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fenn | curl not found eh | 01:57 |
fenn | odd, because git-core explicitly depends on libcurl | 01:59 |
randallagordon | bah, I need sleep, I'll work on getting it running tomorrow | 02:00 |
randallagordon | need to find out why AMD-V isn't enabled anyways | 02:00 |
fenn | technologicle1: did you install git using apt-get? or some other method? | 02:01 |
technologicle1 | i copied each instruction | 02:02 |
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CIA-52 | skdb: fenn * r d4ac23e /doc/installing: remove all those damn #### marks, and reorganize the file so that newbies dont have to install lots of useless crap and get hung up | 02:04 |
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fenn | technologicle1: you're using ubuntu? (which version?) | 02:05 |
technologicle1 | i made a script that gets part way through a NE-1 install this seems like it would be straightforward - this is an old hardy heron install on my resurected desktop | 02:06 |
fenn | ah ok maybe hardy has an old version of git.. but i would expect it to give a different error, something like "http not supported" instead of just dumbly failing | 02:07 |
fenn | can you do apt-get install curl ? | 02:07 |
technologicle1 | yes - w/ sudo | 02:08 |
fenn | ok now try the git clone line again | 02:09 |
technologicle1 | yep thats doin a lot of somthin | 02:10 |
technologicle1 | soo.. do the 'environment config again? | 02:11 |
technologicle1 | ok so i got this | 02:14 |
fenn | it should still be there | 02:14 |
technologicle1 | #where are skdb packages stored? | 02:14 |
technologicle1 | #url: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html | 02:14 |
technologicle1 | package dir: /usr/local/share/skdb/ | 02:14 |
technologicle1 | #where are packages available from the web? | 02:14 |
technologicle1 | repositories: | 02:14 |
technologicle1 | - http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb-packages/ | 02:14 |
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fenn | what did you do that printed that? | 02:15 |
technologicle1 | vim ~/code/skdb/config.yaml | 02:16 |
technologicle1 | do ineed to set a Path? | 02:16 |
fenn | oh, duh. | 02:18 |
fenn | what an annoying thing to do, causing newbies to enter vim | 02:18 |
technologicle1 | ya that can be a deal breaker if they make it that far - oh that's me - i still cant navigate it well | 02:18 |
technologicle1 | but if you do they might need little clues like open another tab in teminal so thay can go backif they mess it up and a link to the caommands | 02:19 |
fenn | well just forget about that step for now. :q! will get you out of vim | 02:20 |
fenn | or just mash escape and ctrl-c a whole bunch :P | 02:20 |
technologicle1 | haha - i always botch that - check | 02:21 |
technologicle1 | ok so ami running the skdb yet ; ) | 02:21 |
fenn | run python (type 'python' | 02:22 |
fenn | you should get a >>> | 02:22 |
technologicle1 | python | 02:22 |
fenn | then type 'import skdb' | 02:22 |
technologicle1 | oops that ws not a joke | 02:22 |
technologicle1 | You probably don't have pythonOCC installed correctly | 02:23 |
CIA-52 | skdb: fenn * r 1427604 /doc/installing: defuse vim newbie deathtrap | 02:23 |
fenn | ok so you're more or less up and running | 02:24 |
fenn | try lego = skdb.Package("lego") | 02:24 |
technologicle1 | great - i remember there is a command that will show all packages installed... | 02:24 |
technologicle1 | like this lego = skdb.Package("lego") ? | 02:25 |
fenn | it should whine about pythonOCC but still work mostly | 02:25 |
fenn | oh oh | 02:25 |
technologicle1 | all i have is >>> | 02:25 |
fenn | you have to install the packages separately now | 02:25 |
fenn | sorry | 02:25 |
technologicle1 | i spent a year on NE-1 - let's do it! | 02:26 |
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fenn | i dont know the proper way to do that, but you should end up with this in your /usr/local/share/skdb/packages http://designfiles.org/packages/lego/ | 02:26 |
fenn | git clone should work for now, there's some fancy way to do it with skdb-get.py which i havent played with yet | 02:27 |
fenn | so, for the simple instructions: cd /usr/local/share; mkdir skdb; mkdir skdb/packages; cd skdb/packages; git clone http://designfiles.org/packages/lego/.git/ | 02:28 |
technologicle1 | well to bring this back full circle - i started a google doc for a tutorial - i can share it with you or some other way | 02:28 |
fenn | um please no | 02:28 |
fenn | if you want to make changes please do it on the wiki | 02:28 |
fenn | too many scattered places to find help is a hindrance | 02:29 |
fenn | i have to go eat something, bbl | 02:30 |
technologicle1 | ok thanks for the help - see ya' | 02:30 |
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genehacker9000 | this is really annoying | 02:33 |
genehacker9000 | I keep getting disconnected, but part of me doesn't | 02:33 |
technologicle1 | these are primitive times - why do you keep getting logged off? | 02:33 |
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technologicle1 | i just lost connection - i don't know if it is because i 'flooded' | 02:34 |
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technologicle1 | if it is any help, you are timing out genehacker9000 left the room (quit: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) | 02:59 |
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technologicle1 | anybody up? - what other projects are going on? | 04:03 |
faceface | technologicle1: what do you want? | 04:06 |
faceface | project wise? | 04:06 |
fenn | hey faceface do you know kimmen sjolander at berkeley? | 04:16 |
fenn | i am just sort of wondering how big the bioinformatics bandwagon is | 04:17 |
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faceface | fenn: no I don't know kimmen sjolander | 04:51 |
faceface | fenn: there is a fair few of us ;-) | 04:51 |
faceface | http://bioinformatics.oxfordjournals.org/ | 04:51 |
faceface | http://www.biomedcentral.com/bmcbioinformatics/ | 04:51 |
faceface | http://journal.imbio.de/ | 04:52 |
faceface | http://www.bioinformatics.fr/journals.php | 04:53 |
fenn | ok i get the point | 04:53 |
faceface | ;-) | 04:53 |
faceface | I don't know what the threshold is, but with 33 journals, it feels 'reasonably large' | 04:54 |
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technologicle1 | i want to see what is going on in the community and where peoples interests are - and a diamond synthesis machine | 05:08 |
fenn | what community? | 05:08 |
fenn | austin weirdos? :P | 05:08 |
fenn | genehacker claims to be building a reprap and a maskless DNA synthesizer, though i have yet to see any actual progress | 05:10 |
fenn | some UT people are doing localization based on wifi signal strength comparison | 05:11 |
technologicle1 | everyone who shows up here - and austin weirdos - bucky fuller would call that the gestgation period | 05:11 |
fenn | dave rauchwerk is setting up a cnc bridgeport to make bicycle parts | 05:11 |
fenn | that's all the community i can think of :\ | 05:12 |
fenn | oh and you should probably meet max and natasha | 05:13 |
technologicle1 | well there are 33 people online now - many i do not think i have seen on Open manufacturing or otherwise - just checkin it out | 05:13 |
technologicle1 | i had not seen the term Maskless DNA Synth before - i'll take a look | 05:14 |
fenn | i should probably poke emil and steve while i'm out here | 05:14 |
technologicle1 | hmmm only 1 google hit http://www.fraunhofer.org/lse/IndexProjects.html | 05:16 |
technologicle1 | this sounds like the using a projector method i saw on Open Man | 05:17 |
technologicle1 | i could use a projector or the parts myself... | 05:20 |
technologicle1 | is anyone familiar with diamond synthesis techniques? | 05:39 |
kanzure | fenn: email annasalamon@gmail.com to meet steve and anna | 05:51 |
kanzure | i think anna has emil on speed dial or something | 05:57 |
fenn | do i know Paul Boehm? i can't disentangle my vague sense of familiarity vs all these weird small world effects | 06:34 |
fenn | i'm blown away by all the familiar names on the bay area quantified self group | 06:37 |
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faceface | Calling International Rescue: knowledge lost in literature and data landslide! - lame, but perhaps entertaining? | 07:42 |
faceface | http://www.biochemj.org/bj/424/bj4240317.htm | 07:42 |
Utopiah | faceface: http://getutopia.com/ = well packaged semantic wiki? | 07:45 |
faceface | technologicle1: my projects are 'softer' | 07:46 |
faceface | ty Utopiah | 07:46 |
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faceface | technologicle1: seqwiki / biodatabase / pdbwiki / | 07:47 |
faceface | I'm planning a 'conference wiki' | 07:47 |
faceface | just to make some cash | 07:47 |
faceface | Utopiah: I've seen that stuff before | 07:48 |
faceface | I mean that kind of stuff | 07:48 |
faceface | its so lame it hurts | 07:48 |
faceface | they match terms in your document to an ontology, and allow you to look up those terms by clicking... | 07:48 |
faceface | like ZOMOAPFG! | 07:48 |
* Utopiah likes PLoS "bonus" | 07:49 | |
faceface | bonus? | 07:49 |
faceface | I'll read this to check its what I think it is though, so thanks for posting. | 07:49 |
Utopiah | links, search, annotation | 07:49 |
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Utopiah | it's not "invasive" and most of the time useful, it's not revolutionary though | 07:50 |
faceface | ddid you see that ... urg ... what was it called | 07:50 |
faceface | part of wikiprotins... or rather wikiprotins was part of it | 07:50 |
faceface | what did they call it ... knowlets or some such | 07:50 |
faceface | they had a database of over 1 million knowlets! JMFC! | 07:51 |
faceface | turns out they had uniprot | 07:51 |
faceface | well... who cares? I have uniprot! | 07:51 |
faceface | they had this funky desktop in a browser... lots of words, but no idea | 07:51 |
faceface | ok, sounds good... just reading what you wrote above | 07:51 |
faceface | bbl | 07:52 |
faceface | seminar | 07:52 |
Utopiah | this? WikiProtein http://proteins.wikiprofessional.org/ A concept is a ‘unit of thought’ and is in essence not ‘lingual’ | 07:53 |
Utopiah | sounds like yet another choice of words for a (user friendly design) semantic web | 07:55 |
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fenn | trader joe chocolate, never again! | 08:54 |
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kanzure | that's what steve uses | 09:14 |
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kanzure | http://www.itaggit.com/ what? | 09:43 |
kanzure | http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2009/12/the-uncertain-future-now-in-beta/ | 10:08 |
kanzure | http://www.theuncertainfuture.com/ | 10:08 |
kanzure | too bad i don't use java | 10:10 |
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kanzure | hi klafka | 10:32 |
kanzure | hi technologicle1 | 10:32 |
klafka | hey! | 10:33 |
kanzure | what's up? | 10:38 |
klafka | not much i've been reading about this new AI thingie that MIT is pushing http://mmp.cba.mit.edu/ | 10:38 |
klafka | their synthetic neurobiology lab is part of it http://syntheticneurobiology.org/ which is super cool | 10:38 |
kanzure | ed boyden is awesome, yes | 10:39 |
kanzure | http://edboyden.org/ | 10:39 |
klafka | yeah | 10:39 |
klafka | I need to actually read his papers in more detail though | 10:41 |
kanzure | if you need copies, they're on http://designfiles.org/papers/ | 10:44 |
klafka | cool, well they are on his site too, that's a ton of papers there though | 10:44 |
kanzure | japanese hackerspace: http://twitter.com/freaklabs | 11:14 |
klafka | cool | 11:14 |
klafka | a hackerspace just started recently in my city | 11:14 |
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kanzure | hi MrClif | 11:17 |
MrClif | Hey! | 11:18 |
MrClif | I'm skypeing with Turlif right now. | 11:19 |
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MrClif | I'm explaining who and what HPlus is. ;-) | 11:19 |
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MrClif | A couple of notes from my conversation with Turlif, Evan was the primemover on the FaH project Hod was the Prof so he took a lot of credit. | 11:55 |
MrClif | Also the back end of SKdb should (probably does anyway) support different file formants and dependency/relationship extraction methods. | 11:59 |
klafka | folding @ home? | 12:04 |
MrClif | :-) Fab at Home. | 12:05 |
klafka | oh | 12:05 |
MrClif | related to reprap etc... | 12:06 |
klafka | yeah | 12:06 |
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MrClif | Just wondering, do any of you guys present or have a booth at Makers Faire? | 12:28 |
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ybit | best ocr software again/ | 14:34 |
ybit | ocrupus? | 14:35 |
ybit | bkero? | 14:35 |
ybit | http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/138511 | 14:38 |
ybit | http://code.google.com/p/ocropus/ isn't mentioned though | 14:38 |
ybit | supposedly google further developed tesseract | 14:39 |
ybit | http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/ | 14:40 |
ybit | you can plugin tesseract into ocropus | 14:41 |
bkero | ybit: ? | 14:51 |
bkero | Yea | 14:51 |
bkero | Only decent ocr out there is the tesseract/ocropus combo | 14:52 |
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ybit | i'm here, in a web conf atm. just know that i'm going to have to throw some pdfs to this software soon | 14:57 |
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genehacker2 | humans are the best ocr software | 15:18 |
kristianpaul | indeed | 15:52 |
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fenn | turlif = japan fablab? | 16:34 |
fenn | what an awful website | 16:34 |
MrClif | Turlif is part of Hyperfun and Nextfab. He's from the US but lives in Norway. | 16:35 |
MrClif | I havn't heard him talk about Japan yet. | 16:36 |
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fenn | wtf nextfab, don't want me to see anything? | 16:56 |
MrClif | I think its just getting started, it's a spinoff of FaH. | 16:56 |
MrClif | Yeah don't know whats going on with their site. I don't think they have much content yet though. | 16:58 |
fenn | i see nextfab.org and nextfabstudio.com which seem to be totally different | 16:59 |
MrClif | probably are. | 16:59 |
fenn | but they're both related to F@H somehow | 16:59 |
MrClif | well you can ask Turlif he would know turlif@turlif.org | 17:00 |
MrClif | He is also on skype and seems to be online. | 17:01 |
fenn | meh | 17:02 |
MrClif | :-) | 17:02 |
fenn | actually getting an answer would be anticlimactic | 17:02 |
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kanzure | hi world | 18:01 |
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kanzure | hey drgone | 18:03 |
kanzure | http://diybio.org/2009/12/13/webcam-microscope-hacks-at-bosslab/ | 18:14 |
kanzure | http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio:Software/ucam | 18:14 |
kanzure | youtube says skdb is popular in mongolia | 18:16 |
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kanzure | god damn it | 20:33 |
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kanzure | bkero: is niven dying? | 20:55 |
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kanzure | matt just linked me to: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=dubrovnik+%22INTERNATIONAL+DESIGN+CONFERENCE%22&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0 | 21:17 |
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kanzure | http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/pranav_mistry_the_thrilling_potential_of_sixthsense_technology.html | 21:27 |
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randallagordon | slow night, eh? | 23:15 |
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kanzure | randallagordon: eh we keep being disconnected | 23:20 |
genehacker2 | kanzure know of a good program for solving a bunch of equations over and over again? | 23:21 |
kanzure | python? | 23:21 |
genehacker2 | as in I type in the equation to be solved and which variable I want solved for | 23:22 |
genehacker2 | is there a python module for that? | 23:22 |
kanzure | sympy | 23:23 |
genehacker2 | ok | 23:23 |
genehacker2 | now I just need to learn how to use python, recommend any sites/have any books? | 23:24 |
QuantumG | google: learn python | 23:24 |
QuantumG | its like, the no1 newbie language these days | 23:24 |
kanzure | open up an interpreter and get to work | 23:24 |
kanzure | heh | 23:24 |
kanzure | QuantumG: ruby is, actually | 23:25 |
genehacker2 | or matlab | 23:25 |
kanzure | no | 23:25 |
kanzure | not matlab | 23:25 |
kanzure | that's just isolated to universities because it's proprietary | 23:25 |
randallagordon | I'm attempting to get skdb installed properly and everything appears to have installed save for pythonOCC | 23:26 |
kanzure | what instructions are you or were you following? | 23:26 |
randallagordon | looking at the wiki it states that the version in the Ubuntu repo is incompatible, but I also note that the wiki refers to 8.04... | 23:26 |
kanzure | yeah the ubuntu repos have the latest version of opencascade | 23:26 |
randallagordon | Just using the install script on the site, fresh Ubuntu 8.10 install | 23:27 |
kanzure | 6.2.7 is the old version of opencascade | 23:27 |
kanzure | randallagordon: actually check out skdb/doc/installing in the repository | 23:27 |
kanzure | might be more helpful? | 23:27 |
randallagordon | er...9.10 | 23:27 |
randallagordon | roger | 23:27 |
kanzure | the 9.10 repos should have opencascade 6.3.0 packaged up | 23:27 |
randallagordon | indeed | 23:28 |
kanzure | there is one line in the skdb/doc/installing file that is wrong. in particular i think it is line 108 (a sed line that fixes line 144 in wrapper/environment.py in pythonocc-0.3) | 23:29 |
kanzure | if you're able to edit a single line in a python file then you should be able to work around it | 23:29 |
kanzure | if not i'll figure out a way to get it fixed (i should be doing this anyway soon) | 23:29 |
kanzure | Real Soon Now | 23:29 |
randallagordon | okay, yeah, that's what I ran | 23:30 |
randallagordon | import skdb gives me "You probably don't have pythonOCC installed correctly" | 23:30 |
kanzure | yeah did you go through the doc/installing file and do the stuff for pythonocc? | 23:31 |
randallagordon | I take it that script isn't "polished"? | 23:31 |
kanzure | right :( | 23:32 |
kanzure | it's a hack until we make a .deb | 23:32 |
randallagordon | no prob | 23:32 |
kanzure | think of it more as a guide | 23:32 |
kanzure | also, i'm probably sleeping right now. fenn are you around? | 23:32 |
randallagordon | gotcha...I just assumed it was ready to rock and ran it :) | 23:33 |
randallagordon | so who knows what I've got going on now? ;) | 23:33 |
kanzure | huh? | 23:33 |
kanzure | i'm so confused | 23:33 |
randallagordon | "#copy and paste this into a shell to watch the magic happen" | 23:34 |
randallagordon | hence, I did | 23:34 |
kanzure | oh okay | 23:34 |
kanzure | i would just follow it step by step and see if any errors happen | 23:34 |
kanzure | and if they do, yell at me, or something | 23:34 |
randallagordon | it appears that the ubuntu repo didn't gift me with the inc's and lib's...everything else appears to be in place | 23:35 |
randallagordon | (at least, thus far) | 23:35 |
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kanzure | what's missing? | 23:35 |
ybit | god i want to cry dealing with mssql | 23:35 |
ybit | </tweet> | 23:36 |
kanzure | </ybit> | 23:36 |
* kanzure ended ybit | 23:36 | |
ybit | </money> please | 23:37 |
randallagordon | I have no /usr/local/inc...and /usr/local/lib just has ./python2.6, nothing about OCC | 23:37 |
kanzure | ybit: can you help randall? i'm falling sleep here. early meeting in the morning | 23:38 |
randallagordon | (I must admit, I only know my way around a *nix filesystem to be dangerous) | 23:38 |
ybit | okay | 23:38 |
randallagordon | +enough | 23:38 |
ybit | randallagordon: start from the beginning because i'm lazy | 23:38 |
randallagordon | maybe a +well too | 23:38 |
randallagordon | lol | 23:38 |
ybit | oic | 23:39 |
randallagordon | Fresh Ubuntu 9.10 install in VirtualBox, installing_skdb off the wiki said "#copy and paste this into a shell to watch the magic happen"...so I did | 23:39 |
kanzure | ybit: make him use skdb/doc/installing :p | 23:39 |
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ybit | let's hope you didn't copy and paste comments | 23:40 |
ybit | one sec.. | 23:40 |
randallagordon | oh I just C&P'd the whole thing, lol...now I'm seeing that wasn't a good idea | 23:40 |
ybit | i'm going to walk him through it | 23:40 |
ybit | kanzure: sleeeeeeep | 23:40 |
ybit | so randallagordon.. | 23:40 |
randallagordon | skdb/doc/installing appears to be either the same or similar? | 23:40 |
ybit | you've done sudo apt-get install git-core python-yaml units python-numpy bzr docbook-to-man python-pyparsing graphviz python-setuptools | 23:40 |
ybit | it's the same doc | 23:40 |
ybit | then you do made the ~/local dir and cd ~/local yes? | 23:40 |
ybit | i'm assuming you have read through this and copy and pasted... let's skip ahead.. where did you get to? | 23:41 |
randallagordon | I see one of my problems...I see sed is updating /usr/local/inc to /user/local/include/opencascade...I was looking in the wrong spot, heh | 23:41 |
randallagordon | literally c&p'd the whole install script, ran it through to the end | 23:42 |
ybit | eek | 23:42 |
randallagordon | git repo cloned just fine, I've got the skdb code | 23:43 |
randallagordon | yeah, that line, "#copy and paste this into a shell to watch the magic happen", is a bit misleading ;) | 23:46 |
randallagordon | like I said, this is a *fresh* install in a VM, so there's no huge loss if I need to start over | 23:47 |
ybit | i installed skdb last weekend in virtualbox with ubuntu 9.09 | 23:47 |
ybit | not a problem and strangely the graphics actually work. | 23:47 |
ybit | ..in pythonocc | 23:47 |
randallagordon | good to hear | 23:47 |
ybit | so here's my lame advice, go through the install process again and this time do each step manually, i.e. don't copy the entire document into a shell script :P | 23:47 |
randallagordon | hehe sounds good...I'd suggest taking that line out of the script until it is c&p ready ;) | 23:47 |
ybit | you can slap kanzure with a large trout for that and feel free to do the same to me for not having the .deb created just yet | 23:48 |
ybit | what do you call optogenetics when you are dealing with the brain? | 23:49 |
ybit | aren't* | 23:49 |
kanzure | i don't see the "copy and paste" here: http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/installing_skdb | 23:49 |
kanzure | ybit: optogenetics is for everything | 23:50 |
ybit | optogenetics for the _ i guess | 23:50 |
ybit | then someone edit wikipedia | 23:50 |
kanzure | synthetic neurobiology optogenetics? | 23:50 |
kanzure | wikipedia is lame | 23:50 |
randallagordon | hah, damn, you're right... | 23:50 |
ybit | omg it keeps getting worse (silverlight and .net) | 23:50 |
kanzure | er, i'm sleeping | 23:50 |
randallagordon | maybe add a "don't copy & paste" then ;) | 23:51 |
* ybit takes it to the bed | 23:52 | |
ybit | randallagordon: keep us updated | 23:52 |
ybit | Phreedom: get back to work dammit | 23:52 |
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