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| kanzure | i don't think you sent it | 00:01 |
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| ybit | okay, that saves me asking you to pillage through someone's crap | 00:26 |
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| fenn | so now i have an honest-to-god timezone excuse | 02:42 |
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| jasonwohlfahrt | yo yo, bryan, you out there? | 06:24 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | time to wake up and get to work! | 06:25 |
| fenn | today i learned that in germany if you walk on the street wearing sandals and bathrobe, you will be arrested by the fashion police | 06:35 |
| fenn | ybit: the drive didnt come with a sata power adapter | 06:35 |
| fenn | i found one at noisebridge and pwned it | 06:36 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | im getting a makerbot soon :) | 06:44 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | your free to use, fenn | 06:45 |
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| jasonwohlfahrt | my dad's going to tell his boss to get one at work too! | 06:57 |
| fenn | today i walked all over the mission district, epoxy-painted a floor, rode a scooter, toured the robot rooms at UCSF, and cooked dumplings, wheee! | 07:12 |
| fenn | anselm's DMD+microscope+photomultiplier-camera setup was pretty neat | 07:13 |
| fenn | ok bedtime | 07:14 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | sounds like fun. gnigh | 07:17 |
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| jasonwohlfahrt | Wake up, Bryan! You've clearly slept too long! | 07:52 |
| jasonwohlfahrt | We need to take a tour of my father's machine shop! | 07:58 |
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| jasonwohlfahrt | bryan? | 08:15 |
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| kanzure | http://brizzly-production.s3.amazonaws.com/1260932815/static/_imgs/public-bear-bird.gif | 10:33 |
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| Utopiah | "I am attending U of T in the final year of my Engineering degree" http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/tor/881177993.html | 12:37 |
| Utopiah | (my bad, T for Toronto ;) | 12:39 |
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| kanzure | http://www.artificialscarcity.com/ | 15:59 |
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| ybit | fenn: what are you doing in germany? | 16:43 |
| ybit | did you take campbell up on his offer? | 16:43 |
| ybit | oh, you're still in sf | 16:43 |
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| kanzure | automately? | 17:41 |
| genehacker2 | *automatically | 17:42 |
| kanzure | no as a name | 17:42 |
| genehacker2 | automately-- | 17:48 |
| QuantumG | autoMATE, he's your manufacturing pal who's fun to be with! | 17:53 |
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| genehacker2 | kanzure if you're on campus sometime visit a place called the Ransom center they have the principia mathematica... | 18:29 |
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| genehacker2 | as in a first edition of it and some other cool stuff | 18:52 |
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| kanzure | finally: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/ | 19:10 |
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| kanzure | hi fenn | 20:50 |
| kanzure | hm i don't think that was you | 20:51 |
| kanzure | ybit: any progress? | 20:53 |
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| fenn | gosh that's a lot of netsplits | 21:21 |
| kanzure | fenn: i need help doing things | 21:28 |
| fenn | like what? | 21:30 |
| kanzure | skdb documentation, figuring out if cubespawn actually needs me to do anything, pythonocc .deb, osx skdb compatibility bullshit | 21:31 |
| kanzure | we have a lot of people responding to the videos but i don't really have any way to harness them | 21:32 |
| kanzure | so i've been flooded | 21:32 |
| kanzure | and doing too many things.. need someone. | 21:32 |
| kanzure | responders include: randall, clif, kristian, drgone, xmission dood, erik evenson, opencario, james jones, russell hanson, rehmi, lee, but that's not including our normal folks (marcin) asking for stuffs | 21:33 |
| kanzure | oh also another eric | 21:34 |
| kanzure | matt wants to know if you want to write a part of the paper and slap your name on it or not. he's not expecting it but he wouldn't be opposed fyi | 21:37 |
| * fenn coughs | 21:38 | |
| fenn | where were all the people when i was bored to death | 21:38 |
| kanzure | technologicle2 and i met up the other day. he showed me nanoengineer1 | 21:41 |
| fenn | do you know "martyn"? | 21:41 |
| kanzure | not in my meetlog. don't know the name either. | 21:41 |
| fenn | i'm talking with him in #noisebridge, he's in austin setting up a hacker space at les's place :\ | 21:41 |
| kanzure | wtf | 21:42 |
| QuantumG | nanoengineer1 is that nano CAD program ya? | 21:42 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: yes. i don't understand it though. | 21:42 |
| kanzure | oh so you can see atoms. big deal.. | 21:42 |
| QuantumG | ultimate in futility | 21:42 |
| QuantumG | "we can design things we can't build!!" | 21:42 |
| QuantumG | shit, I can do that on the macro scale | 21:43 |
| kanzure | fenn: do you know anything else about that? | 21:43 |
| ybit | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Crops_Kansas_AST_20010624.jpg | 21:45 |
| QuantumG | so cool | 21:46 |
| QuantumG | I see stuff like that whenever I fly | 21:47 |
| QuantumG | and I think "imagine seeing that on an alien planet" | 21:47 |
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| Martyn | Sure do | 21:50 |
| Martyn | How /many/ Austin hackerspace people are here? | 21:50 |
| fenn | do i know whurley? | 21:50 |
| Martyn | William Hurley .. he organizes BarCampAustin, Linux against Poverty, that kind of thing | 21:50 |
| kanzure | i know of him. | 21:51 |
| kanzure | but he doesn't talk with me for some reason | 21:51 |
| fenn | usually not more than 3 or 4 | 21:51 |
| Martyn | For those people who were/are interested in organizing a space .. is there a web page or group that you all still maintain? | 21:51 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing | 21:52 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/atxfab | 21:52 |
| kanzure | we even have a mailing list for les' shop | 21:52 |
| kanzure | but he doesn't use it | 21:52 |
| Martyn | Yes, but is that austin specific | 21:52 |
| Martyn | ? | 21:52 |
| kanzure | atxfab? yes | 21:52 |
| Martyn | posting it to our google group now | 21:52 |
| fenn | well there's no content on it anyway | 21:53 |
| Martyn | *nod* | 21:53 |
| Martyn | My original idea was to bring a blend of hackerspace/TechShop to the austin area after leaving SF | 21:53 |
| Martyn | even had a business plan drawn up, but work keeps me so busy I didn't act on it | 21:54 |
| kanzure | why a business | 21:54 |
| Martyn | That's the way I operate | 21:54 |
| kanzure | has les explained why techshop sucks? | 21:54 |
| Martyn | I always start with a business, even if it's just a boutique business so I can offer the kind of protection an LLC has | 21:54 |
| Martyn | Of course he has .. of course, TechShop is an operating business with now three quite successful locations. It's hard to argue with that. | 21:55 |
| kanzure | what does "successful" mean | 21:55 |
| MrClif | Why does Techshop suck? Just courious. | 21:55 |
| kanzure | MrClif: gym membership model :( | 21:55 |
| Martyn | That doens't make it suck .. just makes it part of a model you may not like. | 21:56 |
| MrClif | so you have to pay dues? | 21:56 |
| kanzure | the model literally rips off the users | 21:56 |
| kanzure | MrClif: yes but that's not why it sucks | 21:56 |
| * Martyn isn't going to get into this discussion | 21:56 | |
| MrClif | or does it average the cost for all users? | 21:56 |
| QuantumG | how does it rip off the users? | 21:56 |
| kanzure | suppose there are a certain number of machines | 21:56 |
| fenn | the problem is they require each franchise to buy machines through their corporate headquarters | 21:57 |
| kanzure | these machines tend to be costly and for some reason techshop is forcing you to buy their corporate brand from proprietary blah blah blah | 21:57 |
| Martyn | MrClif : It gives the users access to equipment they couldn't possibly afford themselves at a fixed cost ($99-$125/mo) and offers classes on how to use them | 21:57 |
| kanzure | so if you do a $100/mo membership fee, you have to get so many people signed up | 21:57 |
| kanzure | and only a very small percentage of them could even possibly use the machines | 21:57 |
| kanzure | because of how many hours there are in a day and a month | 21:57 |
| Martyn | kanzure : They aren't 'forcing' anyone to become a franchise... those that do, can either follow the model or not. | 21:57 |
| QuantumG | so far it sounds like they're ripping off the organizers, not the members. | 21:58 |
| Martyn | if they don't want to, they can open their own business and compete :) | 21:58 |
| fenn | (and they have no tooling that isnot totally beat up/destroyed, so i hear) | 21:58 |
| kanzure | Martyn: sorry i don't care about your business | 21:58 |
| fenn | tooling = end mills, drill bits et | 21:58 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: well, that too | 21:58 |
| QuantumG | how is it "too"? | 21:58 |
| QuantumG | answer the question: how are they ripping off members? | 21:58 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: the members don't get what they paid for | 21:58 |
| MrClif | wouldn't the beatup tooling be a common problem with shared shops? | 21:58 |
| QuantumG | examples? | 21:58 |
| Martyn | kanzure : I mean that I don't particularly -ascribe- to the model. Every hackerspace has it's own way of coming together... | 21:59 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: 2000 people sign up, only 300 get to use the machines because there's not enough time for anything else | 21:59 |
| Martyn | I just don't have strong feelings one way or another. The way I look at it is, if there is something I don't like .. I won't use it. | 21:59 |
| QuantumG | is there actual examples of this? | 21:59 |
| QuantumG | cause I can't understand why members would remain subscribed if they didn't have access to what they wanted | 22:00 |
| Martyn | kanzure : That's a bit .. hyperbolic, isn't it? | 22:00 |
| fenn | MrClif: there's an incentive for techshop to order machines so they can claim theyhave them, but not so for tooling | 22:00 |
| Martyn | QuantumG : No, he's stretching the numbers a bit to make a point. | 22:00 |
| MrClif | by tooling you mean for use right? | 22:00 |
| kanzure | no i'm not? | 22:00 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: i figured it was because of the hype machine :/ | 22:00 |
| MrClif | but not everyone wants to use every machine. | 22:01 |
| kanzure | they want to use at least one of the machines right? | 22:01 |
| MrClif | sure. | 22:01 |
| Martyn | kanzure : The membership @ techshop is limited (500 members per space) .. the most heavily used tech tools are the laser cutting machines, and then secondarily the machine shop milling machines, then the shop bot | 22:01 |
| kanzure | where did you hear about membership limits? | 22:01 |
| MrClif | Well so are there long waittimes to use popular machines? | 22:01 |
| Martyn | There -is- contention for the laser cutters. | 22:01 |
| Martyn | kanzure : From Jim. | 22:01 |
| kanzure | jim never returns my phone calls :( | 22:02 |
| kanzure | ok | 22:02 |
| Martyn | kanzure : It's even in the charter | 22:02 |
| kanzure | just wondreing. it's not on the website | 22:02 |
| QuantumG | dude, unless you have actual examples of complaint you're just slagging them | 22:02 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: well Martyn said he knew les' complaint, but it doesn't sound like he does | 22:02 |
| Martyn | However, when the epilog became too popular, jim just ordered another one. | 22:02 |
| QuantumG | and seeing as they're actually doing something (which, as I've repeatedly said, you're not) that just sounds like sour grapes | 22:03 |
| Martyn | And yes, the tools do get 'beat up' .. because there are far less expert users than amateur ones. On the other hand, the machines are regularly maintained, and it's highly suggested that people buy their own tooling for projects. | 22:03 |
| kanzure | MrClif: yeah but what happens if the wait times become so long that you literally wait all the way to next month? | 22:03 |
| Martyn | Since tools are -much- less expensive than the machines you use them in | 22:03 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Hasn't happened. | 22:03 |
| Martyn | kanzure : The -longest- I've had to wait for a machine to free up was two days | 22:03 |
| kanzure | Martyn: well i didn't know that because i didn't know about the membership limits | 22:03 |
| kanzure | again i'm pretty sure that wasn't on the site | 22:03 |
| Martyn | and that was because I needed to run a very complex job on the Tormach that would take three days, in three distinct four-hour blocks | 22:04 |
| MrClif | Ok so if this is a problem what would you change? Increase the dues? | 22:04 |
| kanzure | MrClif: i would change the model | 22:04 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Fine, fine .. but don't spout hyperbole. I've been a techshop member before coming to Austin, and I /know/ how the space works. Plus I was one of the first members and watched the business figure itself out. | 22:04 |
| kanzure | so have you convinced les to do a techshop again? | 22:05 |
| Martyn | It has problems, but seriously .. they aren't the ones you are hitting. | 22:05 |
| Martyn | Nope. | 22:05 |
| Martyn | We just need space to start our collective in .. his looks convenient | 22:05 |
| kanzure | who is "our"? | 22:05 |
| Martyn | and the cost is relatively low | 22:05 |
| genehacker2 | what techshop sucks? | 22:05 |
| genehacker2 | I should've known | 22:05 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Ratha, Matt, Mike, Whurley, Dave and myself | 22:06 |
| kanzure | still not sure why whurley doesn't talk with me.. | 22:06 |
| kanzure | anyway glad to see another tribe in the austin area | 22:06 |
| kanzure | we should do something for sure, but i'm not convinced about the membership model | 22:06 |
| Martyn | Yep, and I'm glad to know there are others who want to have a space | 22:06 |
| Martyn | There are costs, and membership helps defray it | 22:06 |
| kanzure | there are other models | 22:06 |
| Martyn | Les has a rent-a-tool kind of program, and frankly I can live within that model | 22:06 |
| kanzure | but it sounds like you're already dead-set on something? | 22:07 |
| kanzure | just checking | 22:07 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Yep, but in the end, it's my money to invest into a space ... | 22:07 |
| Martyn | and that's what talks | 22:07 |
| kanzure | why are you investing money? | 22:07 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Because I want something to exist. | 22:07 |
| kanzure | oh boy | 22:07 |
| kanzure | a money fundamentalist | 22:07 |
| Martyn | do-ocracy, after all :) | 22:07 |
| Martyn | No, just practical | 22:07 |
| kanzure | you can do stuff without money :) | 22:07 |
| Martyn | If I want a tool, I buy it | 22:07 |
| kanzure | that's fine. that's not an option for everyone | 22:08 |
| Martyn | if I want to share that tool, I make sure it can be maintained | 22:08 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Yep, oh well :) | 22:08 |
| Martyn | I'd rather have a place that works, than a utopia, any day | 22:08 |
| kanzure | i'm not talking about a utopia | 22:08 |
| kanzure | i'm talking about doing things | 22:08 |
| Martyn | kanzure : So where's your space? I'd be glad to go work in it. | 22:08 |
| kanzure | without putting money between me | 22:08 |
| QuantumG | the negative part of "gym membership model" is that people sign up, never use the service, then feel guilty about quitting or discover it is hard to quit.. I don't think you're saying people feel guilty about quitting or have trouble quitting.. so I don't know why you're mentioning the gym membership model. | 22:08 |
| kanzure | Martyn: very close to les' | 22:08 |
| MrClif | Money is just another form of energy, if we had solar powered replicators we wouldn't need money. | 22:09 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Excellent .. tell me more about it. | 22:09 |
| QuantumG | ... cause gyms are terribly successful businesses even when they forgo the shady practices. | 22:09 |
| fenn | carpeted apartment room doesnt count :\ | 22:09 |
| kanzure | fenn: garage? | 22:09 |
| Martyn | fenn : apartment room? | 22:09 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: i told you, take your business elsewhere | 22:09 |
| kanzure | Martyn: i live in an apartment, fenn thought that's what i was talking about | 22:10 |
| fenn | though i would much rather have worked in my room than have all my stuff at les' and not be able to get to it | 22:10 |
| QuantumG | my business? | 22:10 |
| kanzure | Martyn: it just sounds like you're trying to keep people out and away, sorry.. you don't sound friendly | 22:10 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Quite the opposite. You were telling me about your space :) | 22:10 |
| fenn | there is no space | 22:10 |
| kanzure | fenn is lying | 22:11 |
| kanzure | he moved away a few weeks ago | 22:11 |
| fenn | your mom's a stripper | 22:11 |
| kanzure | yeah :( | 22:11 |
| Martyn | kanzure : I just want to solve a problem, of a place where people can get together in a safe, secure, and friendly place to work on projects .. and I'm more than willing to join into an already existing collective if it's running. | 22:11 |
| kanzure | Martyn: but it sounds like you'd want to turn it into a LLC Business and make money an integral part of its mission or something | 22:12 |
| kanzure | that's the sense i'm getting | 22:12 |
| kanzure | it may not be true | 22:12 |
| kanzure | i'm interested in doing things (primarily). business is farther down the list | 22:12 |
| kanzure | further? | 22:12 |
| Martyn | kanzure : At the end of the day, that means something needs to be rented, and people need to work together to keep a roof over the space, pay for power, and get the things they need. In the case of noisebridge, they did it with a nonprofit .. pretty cool, but very disorganized, and often drama-driven. Metrix:Create works a little differently, so does HackerDojo ... I'm just along for the ride as long as I can get my projects | 22:12 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Nope! I use an LLC only for the protection it gives, separating liability for the 'business' from personal liability of people involved in the projects | 22:13 |
| Martyn | kanzure : a 'business' only in so much as making sure that there's a balance between what's needed to keep the lights on. People often make that mistake when talking to me... | 22:13 |
| kanzure | for instance, in les' shop, he only lets people come to work if they have paid one of the ten(?) $250/mo spots, and only once a week (when things get rolling) will he allow more people to come in | 22:13 |
| Martyn | kanzure : We got him to drop the second part of that | 22:14 |
| kanzure | i feel like i'm out of the loop :( | 22:14 |
| kanzure | what is the second part? | 22:14 |
| Martyn | and we're negotiating using our entity as a 'collective' with one or two of the 8x10 spots as storage | 22:14 |
| Martyn | "once per week" | 22:14 |
| kanzure | so .. 0 times per week? | 22:14 |
| Martyn | no, all week, 24/7 access | 22:14 |
| kanzure | huh when did this happen | 22:15 |
| QuantumG | personally, I'd be making people pay for any tooling they break.. but frankly, that'll drive away most amateurs | 22:15 |
| Martyn | last week, when we got together to talk with him on Saturday | 22:15 |
| Martyn | QuantumG : I ascribe to the "education" model | 22:15 |
| kanzure | can you guys please start using the mailing list for his shop? | 22:15 |
| kanzure | that would be really really helpful | 22:15 |
| Martyn | Keep a set of tooling for teaching, that's at least somewhat decently kept .. and then if people need more than basic tools to work on a project (something high accuracy) encourage them to buy their own set of tooling, but keep the machines they go to in good order (drills, power saws, table saw, routers, etc) | 22:16 |
| QuantumG | yeah, taking a "you have to pass the class before you can use the equipment" approach works too. | 22:16 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Hell, we didn't even know a mailing list existed. He didn't mention it. | 22:16 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: the fab academy has some certificates that might be useful for that | 22:16 |
| Martyn | QuantumG : That's what TechShop does , but it's just a safety course (SBU) | 22:16 |
| kanzure | Martyn: yeah he doesn't use it either. :( this was setup back in february through april when we were cooking on it | 22:16 |
| QuantumG | so far the only access I've managed to find to lathe/mill hardware is "I know a guy" | 22:17 |
| Martyn | kanzure : It's not going to be of terribly much use then. Good idea though. | 22:17 |
| kanzure | uh how about keeping people updated | 22:17 |
| kanzure | obviously he's failed keeping me or fenn in the loop.. | 22:17 |
| QuantumG | I can't even find a course | 22:17 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: at a community college? | 22:17 |
| Martyn | kanzure : That's my point :) The bunch of people I'm with didn't even know you guys /existed/ .. two tribes totally apart | 22:17 |
| QuantumG | the only ones available require you to be an apprentice | 22:17 |
| Martyn | we have our own list that we've been updating on google groups, in the communication we've been having. This is the First Contact .. more or less | 22:18 |
| kanzure | can you link to the mailing list? | 22:18 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Nope ... and while I have access to the UT machine shops on Breaker (Pickle Campus) .. I can't share that access.. which sucks. | 22:18 |
| kanzure | you can't give me a link | 22:18 |
| Martyn | AND I had to pay $400 worth of classes just ot get access | 22:18 |
| QuantumG | "community college" = TAFE around here | 22:18 |
| Martyn | http://groups.google.com/group/austin-hacker-space | 22:18 |
| kanzure | wonderful | 22:19 |
| Martyn | that's what we put together :) | 22:19 |
| kanzure | why is it membership only? | 22:19 |
| Martyn | that's the model we decided on. | 22:19 |
| QuantumG | and yeah, you've gotta be an apprentice.. welding, on the other hand, is open enrollment. | 22:19 |
| kanzure | Martyn: why | 22:19 |
| Martyn | Well, Ratha is more like minded to you, I'll have to admit | 22:19 |
| Martyn | kanzure : To keep track of expenses, and be able to provide the best possible environment with the most up to date tools. Plus, it provides an incentive to be active and do work, rather than just 'hang around' doing nothing | 22:20 |
| kanzure | there's no expense for letting search engines archive content | 22:20 |
| Martyn | OH! You mean the LIST! | 22:20 |
| kanzure | hell you're not even hosting the mailing list yourself | 22:20 |
| Martyn | Because we're in the planning stages ... hell, none of us knew others existed :) | 22:21 |
| kanzure | wtf the space is membership only now too? i thought you said you convinced les to drop that | 22:21 |
| Martyn | It's just our groups way of talking to each other | 22:21 |
| Martyn | *sigh* | 22:21 |
| Martyn | Les still requires that there be one 'primary' responsible member per 8x10 | 22:21 |
| kanzure | what does that entail? | 22:22 |
| Martyn | We just convinced him, partially, to allow us to act like a collective and host events and keep independent track of who we're responsible for | 22:22 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Please stop jumping on me. You're being ridiculously adversarial. | 22:22 |
| fenn | has anyone bought building materials yet? that was the stumbling point back in april or whatever, as dumb as it sounds | 22:22 |
| Martyn | (for someone I have never met before today :) ) | 22:22 |
| genehacker2 | oh we have some UT people | 22:23 |
| kanzure | just wondering what it entails | 22:23 |
| Martyn | kanzure : All the details have not been worked out yet. | 22:23 |
| genehacker2 | argh, I'm way off campus for the month | 22:23 |
| Martyn | kanzure : We literally just met Les last saturday | 22:23 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Whereabouts are you? | 22:23 |
| kanzure | south lamar and ben white, basically .5mi from les' shop | 22:24 |
| fenn | ok well it seems y'all are off to a good start, i'm off to noisebridge | 22:24 |
| Martyn | Like I said, if you have an alternate space that your group has already set up ... there's no reason for our group to do something different.. right? | 22:24 |
| genehacker2 | what group are you in Martyn, are you in RAS? | 22:25 |
| kanzure | genehacker2: he's not a student i think | 22:25 |
| genehacker2 | oh | 22:25 |
| Martyn | genhacker2 : Not a student :) | 22:25 |
| Martyn | <-- engineer, ARM designer, and Linux Kernel engineer | 22:25 |
| kanzure | Martyn: there's a few others who checked out les and figured it wasn't worth it, but maybe we can convince them to reconsider | 22:25 |
| kanzure | ah you do kernel hacking | 22:25 |
| Martyn | I'm also a robotics hacker (micromouse, battlebots), UAV enthusiast, and MakerBot/RepRap enthusiast | 22:25 |
| genehacker2 | UAV enthusiast, like ardupilot or something else | 22:26 |
| Martyn | So I kind of bridge the hardware and software worlds | 22:26 |
| genehacker2 | <----- has some printed darwin parts | 22:26 |
| kanzure | atoms and bits :) | 22:26 |
| Martyn | Um, more like self-guided lighter than air craft | 22:26 |
| genehacker2 | can it fly outdoors? | 22:26 |
| Martyn | genehacker : I have a completed MakerBot, two McWire bots, and a broken Darwin that I need to finish repairing before January | 22:27 |
| Martyn | Yes :) | 22:27 |
| genehacker2 | I have several solar powered lighter than aircraft | 22:27 |
| genehacker2 | do you have the electronics for the darwin and a working extruder? | 22:27 |
| Martyn | At least, globo-2 can fly outdoors .. but it's meant to fly at 40-50,000 feet | 22:27 |
| Martyn | Yep. | 22:27 |
| genehacker2 | a blimp or a free balloon or something else? | 22:28 |
| Martyn | I prefer the MakerBot for that | 22:28 |
| Martyn | "airship" | 22:28 |
| genehacker2 | what's wrong with your darwin | 22:28 |
| genehacker2 | oh dang | 22:28 |
| genehacker2 | an actual airship | 22:28 |
| genehacker2 | that can fly that high | 22:28 |
| Martyn | 20-40lb payload | 22:28 |
| genehacker2 | whoa so pretty big | 22:28 |
| genehacker2 | just camera's I presume? | 22:29 |
| Martyn | yeah, and it can navigate currents by going higher and lower, using high altitude winds and layers to stay in a general geographic area. I want to use them as low flying 'sats' for telecom use, for emergency VOIP access in disaster areas | 22:29 |
| genehacker2 | and have you constructed the envelope? | 22:29 |
| kanzure | Martyn: so, linux. have you ever used dpkg, apt-get, yum, yast, etc.? | 22:29 |
| Martyn | sure. | 22:29 |
| genehacker2 | that's pretty awesome | 22:29 |
| kanzure | Martyn: so, that's what we're doing in here with skdb. except for hardware. | 22:30 |
| Martyn | I saw.. very interesting | 22:30 |
| kanzure | i want to apt-get install laser-cannon | 22:30 |
| kanzure | oh okay | 22:30 |
| kanzure | blah there goes the surprise | 22:30 |
| Martyn | Yep, I read the page. It's very interesting :) | 22:30 |
| kanzure | cool :) | 22:30 |
| Martyn | a way to combine STL, commmon interfaces for producing parts... it's going to be a very important part of open hardware/open design | 22:30 |
| kanzure | to be honest i've been trying to avoid stl | 22:31 |
| kanzure | stl is good for an output format.. but i prefer solid geometry models for sharing | 22:31 |
| Martyn | The kind of thing you'll need for an open market where you might .. say .. want to print out a football on your (in the future) HP LaserSinter 3D Printer | 22:31 |
| Martyn | Four weeks ago, I met Sanjay Patischwal of HP .. who is working on some pretty amazing next-gen tech for HP. 3D printing will be coming from them in the next 10 years | 22:33 |
| kanzure | i thought they already had something? hrm | 22:33 |
| Martyn | They licenced some tech from the guys at ObJet .. multi-mixed jet printing of materials with different properties and colors. Very clever | 22:33 |
| Martyn | naa .. they have some very basic stuff. Nothing like what they are working on in the advanced concepts department. | 22:34 |
| Martyn | Sanjay printed out a -working- raquetball, and it was even RED | 22:34 |
| Martyn | we went and played with it afterwards. | 22:34 |
| Martyn | good resolution too. 0.18mm per layer, 0.25mm x/y resolution, materials could be anywhere from as soft as rubber to as hard as resin, and mixed to 10 bits of ratio | 22:35 |
| Martyn | which is pretty neat | 22:35 |
| Martyn | Basically exactly what ObJET does now | 22:35 |
| Martyn | (for $400,000 .. of course) | 22:35 |
| genehacker2 | what material? do you know the material they used? | 22:36 |
| MrClif | but how do you get the support structures out from the inside of an object? | 22:36 |
| Martyn | It never uses them | 22:36 |
| MrClif | so it can print horizotal surfaces? | 22:36 |
| Martyn | the material is laid down rapidly and dries very quickly in layers | 22:36 |
| genehacker2 | is it UV cure or something else? | 22:37 |
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| Martyn | yep. If support material is needed, it -can- print some .. but then you have to break it or dissolve it depending on which is used | 22:37 |
| MrClif | so it can print a 0.18mm think layer of rubber? | 22:37 |
| Martyn | genehacker2 : Honestly have /no/ idea .. proprietary | 22:37 |
| Martyn | MrClif : "rubbery" material | 22:37 |
| Martyn | MrClif : It's not actually rubber :) | 22:37 |
| genehacker2 | an elastomer | 22:37 |
| Martyn | yeah | 22:37 |
| MrClif | pretty cool.. | 22:37 |
| Martyn | He did print me out a teapot though, and it's even -shiny- | 22:38 |
| genehacker2 | dang | 22:38 |
| Martyn | Unfortunately, the stuff they are working on in that lab won't see the light of day as a product for at least 5-10 years | 22:38 |
| QuantumG | big teapot? | 22:38 |
| genehacker2 | well the problem right now is marketing it to the public | 22:38 |
| Martyn | naa .. just a small one .. 12cm on a side | 22:38 |
| genehacker2 | does the public really want a 3d printer in their house? | 22:38 |
| Martyn | I think they will | 22:39 |
| genehacker2 | (most people don't know about 3d printers) | 22:39 |
| genehacker2 | unfortunately | 22:39 |
| Martyn | Sure, and most people didn't know about laser printers in the 80's | 22:39 |
| genehacker2 | I do | 22:39 |
| Martyn | they were huge things inside of companies, that only big places like banks could have | 22:39 |
| Martyn | now .. we don't think anything about going to Office Depot and buying one for $150 | 22:39 |
| genehacker2 | heh exact same situation right not | 22:39 |
| genehacker2 | *now | 22:39 |
| kanzure | Martyn: how do yu feel about the walls idea? | 22:39 |
| Martyn | hell, we have fights over how much TONER costs ... and don't give a thought that it's amazing it's available at all | 22:40 |
| Martyn | I'm "meh" | 22:40 |
| kanzure | technologicle2 pointed out that it was weird that a woodworker couldn't put up some walls within 8mo | 22:40 |
| genehacker2 | anyway this HP guy should try printing robots if he can print multiple materials | 22:40 |
| kanzure | (i met technologicle2 just the other day.. not even last week) | 22:40 |
| genehacker2 | if you can print elastomers you can print pneumatic actuators | 22:40 |
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| genehacker2 | and with embedded elastomers and structural elements, well you can make some pretty weird stuff | 22:43 |
| genehacker2 | like bony-biomimetic-robot hands | 22:44 |
| QuantumG | wonder if you could make actuators from bacteria that produce/consume gases | 22:51 |
| QuantumG | being that you were talking about printing cells too | 22:52 |
| Martyn | Back | 22:54 |
| Martyn | Was on the phone with Ratha just now... | 22:54 |
| Martyn | kansure -answer to your question as to "why closed mailing list group" : Spam | 22:55 |
| Martyn | Ratha closed it because we were getting flooded by spambots | 22:55 |
| Martyn | genehacker2 : They are still trying to figure out how to print conductive materials. It's a big problem | 22:55 |
| Martyn | genehacker2 : If they crack that .. good god .. that's the holy grail of 3D printing .. being able to print circuits in place | 22:56 |
| Martyn | (cheaply) | 22:56 |
| kanzure | Martyn: no i mean the message archive | 22:57 |
| genehacker2 | err... slow reaction kinetics | 22:57 |
| genehacker2 | circuits? | 22:58 |
| genehacker2 | you can already print circuits | 22:58 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Tempest in teapot? It's easy enough to ask for access, it's not restricted other than for asking | 22:58 |
| genehacker2 | both electronic and fluidic | 22:58 |
| genehacker2 | it's old news | 22:58 |
| Martyn | sure, but not cheaply | 22:58 |
| QuantumG | have I mentioned lately that I'd like a desktop device that can produce bacteria with a specified dna sequence inserted? | 22:58 |
| kanzure | Martyn: registering sucks especially with so many mailing lists.. http://heybryan.org/mailing_lists.html | 22:58 |
| Martyn | that's the key to getting things going .. to print a motor, you need to be able to print the armature.. and the magnets | 22:59 |
| genehacker2 | the main problem is modifying current processes | 22:59 |
| Martyn | kanzure: Um, okay? | 22:59 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: :) do you want to build one? | 22:59 |
| Martyn | kanzure : It is what it is. | 22:59 |
| genehacker2 | or just use pneumatic motors | 22:59 |
| kanzure | Martyn: and you're ok with that? | 22:59 |
| genehacker2 | like the one I'm designing | 22:59 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Well, frankly, I don't particularly mind or care. | 22:59 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: that's why I was looking into microfluidics a few months ago | 22:59 |
| Martyn | kanzure : It's your passion. | 22:59 |
| QuantumG | and came to the conclusion that the techniques are just not available yet :( | 22:59 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: ah i don't remember that sorry | 22:59 |
| kanzure | you can do gene transfer to bacteria via AFM probe tips, but it's hard to make probe tips | 23:00 |
| Martyn | QuantumG : I did see a wonderful thing that a friend (Jim Taylor-Farnes) did at MIT/Media Lab | 23:00 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: and I want bulk | 23:00 |
| kanzure | bulk throughput? me too | 23:01 |
| QuantumG | Martyn: wassat | 23:01 |
| Martyn | QuantumG : He has a technique of printing "micromuscles" that nano assemble and react to voltage. It was -very- slick, and would allow for a printed moving part | 23:01 |
| Martyn | QuantumG : It was spooky to watch a laser sintered part come out of the machine (a little hard disk armature) that worked, immediately. | 23:01 |
| Martyn | It's not robust .. but then again, what tech is that's fresh in the lab? | 23:02 |
| QuantumG | well, I can imagine combining my dream desktop cell synthesiser with a 3d printer... | 23:02 |
| Martyn | *nod* | 23:02 |
| Martyn | As far as today's practical tech .. I'd be happy with a printer that is sufficiently capable of printing out toys | 23:02 |
| Martyn | Or simple, single material 3D objects that are useable | 23:03 |
| Martyn | although, I have to admit .. "apt-get create pillow" would be really nice right now | 23:05 |
| kanzure | hm i think i'll apt-get myself a pillow from the other room right now, in fact | 23:06 |
| Martyn | Heh. | 23:07 |
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| genehacker2 | well if you can print elastomers you can print pneumatic muscles and valves | 23:11 |
| QuantumG | how do you power them though? | 23:11 |
| genehacker2 | QuantumG you want a gene synthesizer too? | 23:11 |
| genehacker2 | simple | 23:11 |
| genehacker2 | a coke bottle | 23:12 |
| genehacker2 | filled with air | 23:12 |
| QuantumG | filled how? | 23:12 |
| genehacker2 | can be carbon fiber reinforced for more capacity | 23:12 |
| genehacker2 | with a bike pump | 23:12 |
| QuantumG | well its interesting | 23:12 |
| Martyn | Hey, cart before horse :) | 23:13 |
| Martyn | I'd be happy with a printer that can print in <one> material in CMYK / RGBWB | 23:13 |
| Martyn | much less being able to choose between different shore indexes like the objet can : http://www.objet.com/Materials/Connex500_Digital_Materials/ | 23:14 |
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| fenn | carbon fiber is my favorite soda flavor! | 23:25 |
| Martyn | eval pillow++ | 23:25 |
| Martyn | *Sigh* | 23:25 |
| Martyn | I'm nodding off | 23:25 |
| Martyn | it's been a looooong day | 23:25 |
| kanzure | Martyn: sent a long email | 23:28 |
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| Martyn | I noticed | 23:28 |
| kanzure | i tend to do that :( | 23:28 |
| Martyn | Might have been nice to say "hi" to folks first, yanno? | 23:28 |
| kanzure | oh | 23:28 |
| Martyn | *shakes head* | 23:28 |
| Martyn | Yep. We're all geeks. | 23:29 |
| Martyn | *puts head in hands* | 23:29 |
| Martyn | Maybe a quick "ps. hi!" would be good. *laughs* | 23:29 |
| Martyn | OOoo--- http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/16/rooted-nook-gets-pandora-shot-at-true-happiness/ .. YAY! | 23:30 |
| Martyn | Now that's a hack I can get behind. Nook + android softs = yummy | 23:30 |
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