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| kanzure | get back to work :p | 00:01 |
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| kanzure | how is it that bre has this never-ending supply of people to do his bidding? | 08:15 |
| kanzure | (in particular i'm looking at the laser scanner group) | 08:15 |
| kanzure | .NET, srsly bre? | 08:15 |
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| kanzure | does anyone have some pcb files? | 17:28 |
| kanzure | gerber is it? | 17:30 |
| fenn | gerber is not very editable | 17:31 |
| fenn | usually the file name ends with .brd but that doesn't mean any particular format | 17:32 |
| fenn | gerber = .grb | 17:32 |
| fenn | or was it .gbr | 17:32 |
| kanzure | hello fenn | 17:34 |
| kanzure | you shouldn't have said anything, because now i'm going to force you to tell more stories | 17:34 |
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| kanzure | yummy: http://www.sunburst-design.com/papers/ | 17:51 |
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| kanzure | hello Martyn | 18:17 |
| kanzure | are you also available on tuesday? | 18:18 |
| genehacker2 | ask the reprap people | 18:19 |
| genehacker2 | I'm sure they have some files | 18:19 |
| kanzure | reprap people have terrible files | 18:19 |
| genehacker2 | *pcb files | 18:20 |
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| Martyn | kanzure : Sort of .. I work pretty hard from 10a to 7pm | 18:32 |
| Martyn | kanzure : The last time I tried to make a "lunch" meeting for hackspace, I got back to work at 2pm, and lost a lot of time | 18:33 |
| Martyn | Hmm? what files? | 18:33 |
| Martyn | kanzure : What time Tues? | 18:33 |
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| kanzure | Martyn: 11:30 at freebirds on south lamar and ben white | 18:55 |
| kanzure | ybit, fenn: http://groups.google.com/group/gnusha but let's use openmanufacturing for now | 18:55 |
| kanzure | there's also http://twitter.com/gnusha | 18:59 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Yeek, that's all the way crosstown for me ( I work up near MoPac and Braker ) | 19:02 |
| kanzure | out in the booonies huh | 19:03 |
| Martyn | Well, it's where the tech companies are.. | 19:04 |
| kanzure | tech? us south austin people just use sticks and stones | 19:04 |
| Martyn | and more importantly, that thing that keeps me employed and paying all the mortgages | 19:04 |
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| genehacker2 | don't you have an wifi airship? | 19:10 |
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| Martyn | genehacker2 : That is supposed to help me get to a meeting, how? | 19:17 |
| Martyn | It's not like it would even fit in a door :) | 19:17 |
| Martyn | (even if I had it here in Austin) | 19:17 |
| kanzure | russell232: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing if you wouldn't mind cross-posting the laserscanner stuff :) | 19:24 |
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| ybit | er | 19:33 |
| ybit | gnusha heckert? | 19:34 |
| ybit | hows about just gnusha | 19:34 |
| ybit | heckert is the last name for the guy who created the gnu mascot | 19:34 |
| kanzure | i thought it was the name of the mascot too? | 19:43 |
| kanzure | "The logo for GNU is a gnu head. The well-known drawing was originally done by Etienne Suvasa. It appears in GNU software and in printed and electronic documentation for the GNU project, and is also used in Free Software Foundation materials.[16]" | 19:44 |
| kanzure | huh. well nevermind | 19:44 |
| kanzure | fenn: etienne is in sf btw | 19:45 |
| kanzure | the diybio email asking someone /else/ to update the wiki is either funny or sad | 19:57 |
| Martyn | diybio - SF? | 19:59 |
| kanzure | Martyn: SF is san francisco, where fenn is hanging out | 20:07 |
| kanzure | diybio is http://diybio.org/ http://groups.google.com/group/diybio | 20:07 |
| Martyn | Oh, I /know/ the DIYBIO crowd :) | 20:41 |
| Martyn | I was wondering if they had counterparts here in Austin | 20:42 |
| Martyn | They caused quite a stir by bringing a fridge to Noisebridge | 20:42 |
| kanzure | we're their austin counterparts | 20:42 |
| Martyn | What, you do biohacking as well? | 20:43 |
| * kanzure nods | 20:43 | |
| kanzure | hell yes :) | 20:43 |
| kanzure | a little of everything | 20:43 |
| kanzure | we also have someone who wants to set up a chem lab at les' place | 20:43 |
| Martyn | *little shrug* | 20:43 |
| kanzure | but yeah, i'm the annoying diybio guy: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/about (see "all time top posters" :/) | 20:44 |
| Martyn | I think Tito holds that title | 20:45 |
| kanzure | tito just charges outrageous prices for pieces of plastic | 20:45 |
| kanzure | have you met him in person? i have no idea who this guy is | 20:45 |
| Martyn | I have. His relative lack of knowledge of biochemistry / molecular bio was ... underwhelming | 20:46 |
| kanzure | ha | 20:46 |
| Martyn | I believe that biohacking is a wonderful thing, that needs to be treated with as much, if not more, respect than working with weaponry | 20:46 |
| kanzure | you mean firearms? | 20:46 |
| Martyn | I mean bombs | 20:46 |
| Martyn | And no, I don't mean simple DNA extraction, or PCR replication experiments... | 20:47 |
| kanzure | there's a lot of confusion about this | 20:47 |
| Martyn | Those are fun educatinal tools.. | 20:47 |
| Martyn | educational tools rather | 20:47 |
| kanzure | right, because some people say "hey look i'm doing bird watching, oh no i'm a diybio terrorist!" | 20:47 |
| Martyn | OTOH, people who are busy actually performing recombinant splicing need to be more than just careful. | 20:48 |
| kanzure | is recombinant genetic engineering all that you are worried about? | 20:48 |
| kanzure | or is that just the upper limits of what you know ? | 20:48 |
| kanzure | er | 20:48 |
| kanzure | imagine i said that in a more friendly way | 20:48 |
| Martyn | kanzure : My degree and program of study was in biochemistry and molecular bio | 20:48 |
| kanzure | ah cool :) | 20:48 |
| kanzure | i'm surprised that people aren't worried about what's already out there | 20:49 |
| kanzure | i mean, this is why we have sick days, why we have hospitals and biology labs researching this shit | 20:49 |
| Martyn | Yep, my dad is the Chair of biochem at UC Santa Cruz .. so part of my responsibility growing up was partially helping him with his lab, being a TA, and playing with the tools. | 20:50 |
| kanzure | nepotism at its finest. i wish i had a biochem dad :) | 20:50 |
| kanzure | but yeah, | 20:50 |
| kanzure | why are you worried about recombinant experiments? | 20:50 |
| kanzure | nature performs billions of those experiments each day- i.e. see agrobacterium and forms of cancer across the species | 20:51 |
| kanzure | well, most cancers are mutations | 20:51 |
| kanzure | but my point is that recombination is somewhat like a mutation or gene transfer | 20:51 |
| Martyn | I kind of got a huge respect for just how badly things can go wrong. UCSC had an accidental release of the 'no-frost' bacteria for strawberries back in 1994 .. they found some of that strain's plasmids on strawberries as far away as Monterrey one year later. Thank goodness that strain wasn't something harmful to the environment. | 20:52 |
| Martyn | (They were fined hundreds of thousands of dollars for the accidental release) | 20:52 |
| kanzure | what was the "accidental release" in particular | 20:52 |
| kanzure | sounds like they were doing an open field study? | 20:53 |
| Martyn | They were supposed to spray a crop growing inside a tent .. by a phenomenal screw-up, they sprayed a crop growing in a UC Agricultural field. | 20:53 |
| kanzure | huh | 20:53 |
| kanzure | yes humans can be quite stupid | 20:53 |
| Martyn | Yep, in this case .. it was tons of little things that all went wrong. | 20:53 |
| Martyn | Point is though, natural mutation is generally muted by disfunction. | 20:54 |
| kanzure | right | 20:54 |
| Martyn | recombinant techniques end up having relatively high yields of viable organisms with gene sequences spliced in .. they work. However, since they are engineered, there is ultimately someone who is responsible for having created and engineered the organism. | 20:55 |
| Martyn | Aka, when something goes wrong. | 20:55 |
| Martyn | These days, we're even starting to see custom sequences. | 20:55 |
| kanzure | yeah | 20:55 |
| kanzure | i've done some custom synthesis | 20:56 |
| kanzure | er, custom sequences, i didn't do the synthesis itself | 20:56 |
| Martyn | So, I believe in -strong- controls on these kinds of experiments. Unlike some fields of human endeavor ... organisms that are engineered replicate themselves quite well. | 20:56 |
| kanzure | yep always good to have a control group | 20:57 |
| kanzure | i kid, i kid | 20:57 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Wait, you've worked for one of the very few companies in the world producing custom genetic sequences to develop specific protiens? | 20:57 |
| kanzure | no | 20:57 |
| kanzure | i was working in a molecular biology lab on transcriptional logic | 20:57 |
| kanzure | we weren't doing proteins | 20:57 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/winfree.html | 20:57 |
| Martyn | AH | 20:57 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/genetic-circuits.html | 20:58 |
| Martyn | *nod* | 20:58 |
| Martyn | I'm familiar. | 20:58 |
| kanzure | but yeah, definitely not a company | 20:58 |
| Martyn | My father works on something similar .. but his interest in cyanobacteria has waned and moved towards the archaebactera. | 20:59 |
| Martyn | He studies Rhodopsins, and other proton pumps and phototropic mechanisms | 21:00 |
| kanzure | rhodopsins are cool :) | 21:00 |
| kanzure | i guess you're familiar with all of the optogenetics literature then | 21:00 |
| Martyn | I think his current field of study is almost exclusively the function of phototropin. They have isolated it's structure .. pretty exciting stuff. | 21:00 |
| Martyn | ALL? Hell no man .. I'm only human. | 21:01 |
| genehacker2 | wait a minute so you're telling me there's some free no freeze plasmid out in the wild? | 21:01 |
| Martyn | genehacker2 : Correct. | 21:01 |
| kanzure | Martyn: http://bio.cc/Bioinformics/papers/ get reading, human! | 21:01 |
| Martyn | although it's believed to have been fully contained | 21:01 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Naa . that's my father's bailywick | 21:01 |
| kanzure | :( | 21:01 |
| Martyn | I keep up so that I can talk sensibly with him. | 21:01 |
| Martyn | (genius that I know him to be :) He keeps me on my toes) | 21:02 |
| kanzure | ed boyden's work with monkeys and laser-activated ion channels in the brain is pretty awesome | 21:02 |
| genehacker2 | so that means the company that made it would have had an incentive not to release it if there weren't gene patents | 21:02 |
| genehacker2 | he's doing primates now | 21:02 |
| genehacker2 | ? | 21:02 |
| * kanzure nods | 21:02 | |
| Martyn | genehacker2 : !company .. it was post graduate work of someone at UCSC | 21:02 |
| Martyn | (in combination with another group at UC Davis) | 21:03 |
| kanzure | post-graduate =~ phd? | 21:03 |
| kanzure | hey can you get us a reference to a paper on this? | 21:03 |
| Martyn | yep. | 21:03 |
| genehacker2 | so that's why they got sued? | 21:03 |
| Martyn | Nobody got sued.. they had to pay a fine to the NSF | 21:03 |
| genehacker2 | sounds interesting to say the least | 21:03 |
| genehacker2 | oh | 21:03 |
| Martyn | a /massive/ fine | 21:03 |
| genehacker2 | ouch | 21:04 |
| Martyn | Enough that it closed two labs at UC Santa Cruz | 21:04 |
| Martyn | kanzure : If I really put my mind to it, probably. I don't exactly feel like trawling the UC archives. You may be able to glean something from Google. | 21:04 |
| kanzure | yeah i just need a name | 21:05 |
| kanzure | i can fetch papers | 21:05 |
| kanzure | i don't like basing things off of heresy :) | 21:05 |
| Martyn | *nod* | 21:05 |
| kanzure | er | 21:05 |
| Martyn | And I really don't remember the name of the scientist offhand | 21:05 |
| kanzure | hearsay | 21:05 |
| Martyn | It's just one of those sad things that happens from time to time. | 21:05 |
| Martyn | I know the actual bacteria -did- become a product | 21:05 |
| Martyn | "Frostban" | 21:07 |
| Martyn | AFIK, even the orignal research predates my time in college .. 1988? | 21:07 |
| genehacker2 | well if it involved NSF then there's probably records of the incident | 21:07 |
| Martyn | yep. | 21:08 |
| genehacker2 | http://www.soe.ucsc.edu/news/event?ID=1740 | 21:08 |
| genehacker2 | unrelated but interesting | 21:08 |
| Martyn | STRAWBERRIES | 21:08 |
| Martyn | Delaying the onset of strawberry powdery mildew in fruit production fields planted with inoculum-free transplants. | 21:08 |
| Martyn | Principal Investigators: D. Gubler, Plant Pathology, Davis; M. Nelson, Plant Pathology, Davis; N. C. Welch, UC Cooperative Extension, Monterey and Santa Cruz Counties; R. P. Buchner, UC Cooperative Extension, Shasta-Trinity Counties | 21:08 |
| genehacker2 | http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/blr.1987.6.379 | 21:09 |
| genehacker2 | getting warm | 21:09 |
| kanzure | thanks Martyn | 21:09 |
| Martyn | You're welcome | 21:09 |
| genehacker2 | oh there we go | 21:09 |
| kanzure | huh, not on google scholar? | 21:10 |
| Martyn | genehacker2 : And that's back in 1987 | 21:10 |
| genehacker2 | I look at everything | 21:10 |
| Martyn | genehacker2 : They finally did the experiment in 1994/1995 | 21:11 |
| Martyn | Now, perhaps someone had an agenda .. and the tin-foil-hat people could make a case that the accidental release wasn't so accidental | 21:11 |
| kanzure | oh, no i was hoping for a paper about the "incident" | 21:11 |
| Martyn | kanzure : I'll ask my father next time I talk to him. He knew the student. | 21:11 |
| kanzure | okay cool | 21:11 |
| Martyn | Meanwhile, I'm going to continue trying to figure out when my PCB's are going to make it here from China | 21:12 |
| Martyn | I just got shipping notification from Shenzen | 21:12 |
| Martyn | *yay* | 21:12 |
| kanzure | if i told you i was building a pcb shop running off of an open source SMT machine, would you order from it? | 21:13 |
| kanzure | right here in the US of A | 21:13 |
| Martyn | Only if you could do 6 layer and more | 21:16 |
| kanzure | yikes | 21:16 |
| kanzure | hm | 21:17 |
| kanzure | what exactly are you doing? :) | 21:17 |
| Martyn | yeah, my little experimental boards have gotten pretty .. um .. upscale :) | 21:17 |
| Martyn | have you seen my last board for defcon? (It was only 2 layers .. hee ) | 21:17 |
| kanzure | nope | 21:17 |
| Martyn | www.igotu.com/hackthebadge | 21:17 |
| kanzure | bkero: still have your defcon dump? | 21:17 |
| kanzure | drvolts hah | 21:17 |
| Martyn | Yep, that's my nickname | 21:18 |
| kanzure | why cc in particular? not that it's a terrible choice or anything | 21:18 |
| kanzure | creative commons | 21:18 |
| Martyn | Dr. Tzapp is my partner-in-crime .. | 21:18 |
| Martyn | CC because ardiuno/freeduino require it | 21:18 |
| Martyn | I just made a mega3250 based version of this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lex53AY7Fmo&feature=player_embedded | 21:22 |
| Martyn | The original inspired me to make a cheaper copy .. adding a high resolution clock chip to it to make it accurate | 21:23 |
| Martyn | Paul Pound's original one is .. frankly, a work of art | 21:25 |
| kanzure | piece of art or work of art? | 21:26 |
| Martyn | work | 21:27 |
| Martyn | and he made it from an heirloom, it's a one-off | 21:28 |
| Martyn | I made a schematic and board, and then Dr. Tzapp doing his usual amazing job of routing, made one that is meant to just be a naked PCB .. almost the same number of surface mount LED's too | 21:29 |
| Martyn | but it took 4 layers to make it all very neat and tidy. | 21:29 |
| Martyn | when the PCB's arrive, they will be assembled over at Virtex .. off of Braker | 21:29 |
| Martyn | the final design is very different than what Paul made .. but he definitely inspired it :) I'm working on an arduino library for the 'clockduino' and hopefully people will find fun things to do with it -other- than just have it be a watch | 21:30 |
| Martyn | one person who works in the same building I'm in, has expressed an interest in turning one into a GPS locator. | 21:31 |
| kanzure | i have someone who would fall in love with you if you throw on some more fine-grained localization method | 21:33 |
| kanzure | like wifi or bluetooth or such | 21:33 |
| Martyn | "throwing in" that kind of thing is expensive | 21:33 |
| * kanzure nods | 21:33 | |
| kanzure | maybe non-surface-mount | 21:34 |
| kanzure | do those exist? i haven't even checked | 21:34 |
| kanzure | maybe something less extreme than a wifi usb dongle | 21:34 |
| Martyn | Do you know how much it cost just to get 100 of these PCB's made? (5x10 layup, routed w/ custom solder mask?) | 21:34 |
| kanzure | honestly no, i've never ordered :( | 21:34 |
| Martyn | $2800 | 21:35 |
| Martyn | Once you factor in the cost of the components | 21:35 |
| Martyn | The microcontroller /alone/ is $4 each | 21:37 |
| Martyn | A bluetooth chip that has the signal package is also pretty big. So is a wifi one, and they use a LOT of power | 21:38 |
| Martyn | OTOH, I left plenty of GPIO pins, the SPI, and i2c bus free and pads to solder to | 21:38 |
| Martyn | so in theory you could buy something from digikey and attach it | 21:38 |
| katsmeow-afk | kanzure, if you can do 2 -4 layer, tpfq spacing, solder mask, and 4 day delivery? | 21:40 |
| Martyn | The hack the badge boards had a Bill of Materials (BOM) of about $24, were 4-up panelized, and the PCB's cost $52/panel ($13 each) | 21:41 |
| Martyn | assembly added another $8 to each board. | 21:41 |
| Martyn | $45 each board, and there were four LEDs I had to turn around on each board | 21:42 |
| Martyn | (they were assembled incorrectly) | 21:42 |
| Martyn | *sigh* | 21:46 |
| Martyn | Well, I got the tracking information I need from DHL | 21:46 |
| Martyn | "estimated arrival date -- 1/4/2010" | 21:46 |
| kanzure | my birthday | 21:46 |
| Martyn | ****ssssiiiiggghhhh**** | 21:46 |
| kanzure | i turn, "old" | 21:46 |
| Martyn | Sometimes it gets here faster, but the xmas holiday is going to put a crimp on international shipments | 21:47 |
| kanzure | fenn: your zeitgeistmovement has been sending lots of viewers to our presentation video | 21:53 |
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| genehacker2 | really you're getting zeitgeisters? | 21:55 |
| genehacker2 | would you like me to wrangle some more? | 21:55 |
| genehacker2 | the zeitgeist movement stuff is currently doing a burn through the internet | 21:56 |
| kanzure | heh just saw an ad for an automated pasta making machine. too bad i don't eat pasta.. | 22:01 |
| kanzure | http://www.pamaroma.com/usedpastamachine.htm | 22:01 |
| kanzure | weird form factors | 22:01 |
| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: would that make you say yes? | 22:04 |
| katsmeow-afk | used pasta machines? no, the specs and delivery of pcb, prolly would | 22:05 |
| kanzure | no not the pasta :) | 22:05 |
| kanzure | although.. free pasta on the side? dunno what people go for | 22:05 |
| katsmeow-afk | copper-on-pasta | 22:06 |
| kanzure | sounds like a market waiting to happen | 22:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | genehacker, i don't believe the zeitgeisters will change anything, and i can say that seeing as how this is my 16th xmas alone in a cold space i cannot heat | 22:08 |
| genehacker2 | can't heat? | 22:09 |
| genehacker2 | totally automatic pasta machine? | 22:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | don't tellme that is too complicated to understand | 22:10 |
| genehacker2 | does it turn co2, water, trace minerals, and energy into pasta? | 22:11 |
| genehacker2 | do you have a computer and electricity? | 22:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas, i have a computer and electricity | 22:12 |
| genehacker2 | then you have a heater | 22:16 |
| genehacker2 | run something computationally intensive | 22:17 |
| * katsmeow-afk points to the 12 computers in this room that are plugged in,a nd the resulting $165 power bill if they are plugged in | 22:17 | |
| katsmeow-afk | turned on | 22:17 |
| kanzure | if they are plugged in for how long? | 22:18 |
| katsmeow-afk | long enough to keep warm by? | 22:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | i can make a bloody heater, i canot pay for using it | 22:19 |
| katsmeow-afk | i bought 12 acres when it was cheap to have wood for free to keep warm, i lost that wood to neighbor's dogs, if you remember that fisaco | 22:19 |
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| katsmeow-afk | i had started a cocentrating solar plant too, but that was shut down by threats of violence by epple tho thought it was a theat to society and stealing fromthe powerco | 22:21 |
| katsmeow-afk | so again, i am sittin gint he cold while they are partying merrily | 22:21 |
| genehacker2 | did you just say started a concentrating solar plant and got shut down? | 22:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | i did , large paraboic, steam piston engine, driving a generator , that sorta thing,, back property line is 1200ft, i had the room to do it | 22:27 |
| genehacker2 | and you got shut down? | 22:28 |
| genehacker2 | do you have the paperwork that shut you down? | 22:28 |
| genehacker2 | if so then ask some environmentalist website with anti-corporate undertones for help | 22:28 |
| katsmeow-afk | no, it was verbal threats | 22:28 |
| genehacker2 | oh well that works too | 22:28 |
| genehacker2 | make a video and post it on youtube | 22:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | and i had hired a earthmover sorta of company to move a rock, and they tore up the pin i had set in concrete for the collector to pivot around,, and i gave up eventually | 22:29 |
| genehacker2 | it worked against this one coal company whose employees harassed some protestors | 22:29 |
| katsmeow-afk | the engine and the generator have since rusted up | 22:29 |
| genehacker2 | WTF? | 22:29 |
| genehacker2 | that's messed up | 22:29 |
| genehacker2 | what sort of threats? | 22:30 |
| genehacker2 | how the heck is making your own power stealing from the powerco? | 22:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | the beating of my ass, the incresed turning loose of rottwilers on me | 22:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | hell if i know | 22:31 |
| genehacker2 | small town? | 22:31 |
| katsmeow-afk | yep, alafuckingbama small , and in the county | 22:32 |
| katsmeow-afk | http://designerthinking.com/solar.html | 22:32 |
| genehacker2 | damn | 22:32 |
| genehacker2 | you could say some stuff about energy independence and not using middle eastern oil... | 22:35 |
| katsmeow-afk | and then they say i am against the war and anti-american | 22:35 |
| katsmeow-afk | well, IE7 showed the page correctly, IE8 doesn't, FF still does | 22:36 |
| genehacker2 | for some reason FF never shows thingiverse correctly for me | 22:36 |
| kanzure | show screenshots | 22:37 |
| katsmeow-afk | ? | 22:38 |
| kanzure | i want to see what it is "displaying incorrectly" | 22:38 |
| kanzure | (why are you using thingiverse anyway?) | 22:39 |
| * katsmeow-afk pokes genehacker nervously | 22:39 | |
| genehacker2 | why kanzure? | 22:42 |
| genehacker2 | because skdb doesn't have the capabilities of thingiverse yet | 22:42 |
| genehacker2 | and it's what the reprap people use | 22:43 |
| kanzure | actually skdb does have the capabilities of thingiverse | 22:43 |
| genehacker2 | I wasn't aware of that | 22:44 |
| genehacker2 | how do I upload files | 22:44 |
| genehacker2 | http://imgur.com/correct | 22:49 |
| genehacker2 | oops | 22:49 |
| genehacker2 | http://imgur.com/5VMD4 | 22:49 |
| genehacker2 | this is what I see | 22:49 |
| kanzure | huh i just found myself in a google search result over here: http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/histo3 | 22:51 |
| kanzure | genehacker2: did you let the images load? | 22:51 |
| genehacker2 | yes | 22:52 |
| genehacker2 | but they don't load | 22:52 |
| kanzure | what version of firefox? | 22:54 |
| genehacker2 | the newest | 22:57 |
| genehacker2 | 3.5.6 | 22:57 |
| kanzure | works in 3.5.5 | 23:04 |
| ybit | genehacker2: you must have some add-on preventing the images from loading | 23:11 |
| randallagordon | Cline's reply on the DIYbio list... Top notch. | 23:13 |
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| kanzure | jonathan sometimes shows up in here from time to time | 23:20 |
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| ybit | go to http://irssi.org | 23:51 |
| kanzure | ybit: why should i? | 23:51 |
| ybit | i found the 'How IRC should look" amusing | 23:51 |
| kanzure | :) | 23:51 |
| kanzure | wish it would load | 23:52 |
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