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| genehacker2 | hmm... that james cameron guy is going to make battle angel alita... | 00:53 |
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| kanzure | hi MrClif, technologiclee1, kristianpaul | 09:20 |
| kristianpaul | hello kanzure | 09:20 |
| kanzure | heh someone was searching heybryan.org for "chemical reactions flex bison". not a bad thing to want :) | 09:23 |
| kristianpaul | :) | 09:29 |
| fenn | matthew laberge (conversion help on OM) was responding to the request for help at the bottom of the skdb wiki page | 09:46 |
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| kanzure | oh | 10:07 |
| kanzure | fenn: no he was responding to an email i sent him | 10:08 |
| kanzure | on the (what is now called) "makerscan" mailing list | 10:08 |
| fenn | hm ok | 10:09 |
| kanzure | feeling better yet? | 10:10 |
| fenn | yeah i got better a week ago | 10:11 |
| * kanzure is reading up on time perception and how to fix his | 10:15 | |
| kanzure | hm: http://everything2.com/user/Professor+Pi/writeups/Why+time+appears+to+speed+up+with+age | 10:26 |
| kanzure | "Did you ever meet those proud parents boasting about their little one who is only x months old, and already walks, writes obfuscated C, or recently sold his first dot.com? No, these youngsters aren't bright for their age; they simply have a high γ-factor." | 10:27 |
| kanzure | huh. 70% by real-age 20? | 10:28 |
| kanzure | i wonder what this means for longevity escape velocity and perception of aubreys | 10:30 |
| kanzure | (aubreys=one longevity lifetime or somesuch) | 10:30 |
| kanzure | hah we should make aubrey a unit :) | 10:30 |
| kanzure | journal of irreproducible results. oh boy. | 10:31 |
| Utopiah | kanzure: maybe they are some sort of "daily exercises" (beside looking at the calendar...) | 10:32 |
| kanzure | what use is it if you live forever but forever takes only a split second? | 10:33 |
| Utopiah | could be useful to stay in touch with reality until we get there ;) | 10:34 |
| Utopiah | you can count in heartbeat, in exponential time, etc... but since we tend to be quite socials I doubt it will change your daily habit a lot, just my guess though | 10:35 |
| kanzure | well since it's a logarithm it looks like, according to this irreproducible result, that your perception is locked in at an "effective age" of 80, but i'd first ask the GRG people | 10:40 |
| kanzure | heh i forgot to mention in my email that different people probably consider a different perception of time to be "normal" for them | 10:51 |
| kanzure | at age 10, a year feels like 3 years | 10:51 |
| kanzure | that would feel about right to me- or anything greater. | 10:51 |
| Utopiah | is it based on physiology or activity? | 10:51 |
| Utopiah | (for example playing vs. stressful job vs. family life) | 10:51 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: the page i linked to seems to just be some math, not an actual study | 10:52 |
| kanzure | i have never met a <10year old kid who reports a year feels like a month | 10:52 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: all of the studies on google scholar seem to be about attention tasks and psychometrics- i.e. things that you can observe within a few hours- instead of tracking people's perception of time over multiple years | 10:53 |
| Utopiah | linking attention to interest I guess and thus feeling time fyling by when being highly invoved in a motivating task? | 10:54 |
| kanzure | i've heard reports of even bored adults having time fly by | 10:55 |
| kanzure | i.e. the 95 year old grandmother "it seems i wake up, go to the bathroom, and suddenly it's night and i go to bed" | 10:56 |
| kanzure | s/grandmother/great grandmother/ | 10:56 |
| Utopiah | I guess there should be a psychological adaptation mechanism too, i.e. if there is no value in measuring time precisely (retired as opposed to a trader) then it's a rational optimization to just take very very rought measures | 10:57 |
| kanzure | does anyone know how to check whether or not a blogping was successful? | 11:03 |
| fenn | time is measured in new experiences | 11:18 |
| ybit | my attempt at getting my little cousins to think for themselves: http://pastebin.com/d313577062 | 11:28 |
| ybit | they think hacking is cool and mysterious, like the cheesy video i linked to the other day | 11:28 |
| Utopiah | ybit: could force them to read http://www.sup.org/book.cgi?id=3009 ;) | 11:29 |
| ybit | :P | 11:29 |
| ybit | or any other weird thing most people talk about | 11:30 |
| ybit | i only see them once a year, but it would be nice to have someone in the family talk about something besides football or hunting <- first part | 11:30 |
| ybit | anyway, Utopiah, notice the last part of the message to them | 11:35 |
| fenn | an empty pastebin? | 11:37 |
| Utopiah | fenn: yes, they are suppoes to free themselves | 11:38 |
| Utopiah | the mighty blank page, smart | 11:38 |
| fenn | oh, it is self-evident | 11:38 |
| fenn | hurrah | 11:38 |
| ybit | http://pastebin.com/d31357706 | 11:38 |
| ybit | grr | 11:38 |
| kanzure | back | 11:39 |
| Utopiah | long :-# | 11:39 |
| Utopiah | do non cousins have to be free too? :-# | 11:39 |
| ybit | hrm, time to install the default firmware on my router, clear out some land on the farm (we start building this week), and then, well.. i won't say because i really want to do this one and get it done | 11:42 |
| ybit | it's kind of odd how we act similarly but don't say a word to each other | 11:42 |
| ybit | another recent example being the hackerspace dealings in austin while the hackerspace is being constructed here as well | 11:43 |
| ybit | yes, i decided on building a lab and living quarters on the huge plot of land | 11:44 |
| * ybit out | 11:45 | |
| fenn | thanks for the status report, commander ybit | 11:45 |
| fenn | wow that "how to be a hacker" document has this huge screed against RMS and free software | 12:00 |
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| kanzure | in a meeting with les et al. | 12:36 |
| kanzure | "Hey Brian, | 12:36 |
| kanzure | Sorry for being late in replying to you. I'd like to send you some money, will need your bank account details. | 12:36 |
| kanzure | Best wishes, | 12:36 |
| kanzure | Dan" | 12:36 |
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| kristianpaul | :O | 13:01 |
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| kanzure | cleaning up http://heybryan.org/ | 17:42 |
| kanzure | man this sucks | 17:42 |
| Martyn | Hey, it was nice meeting you today | 17:43 |
| kanzure | hi Martyn | 17:43 |
| kanzure | yum: http://code.google.com/p/gdata-python-client/ | 18:22 |
| kanzure | http://jsbeautifier.org/ | 18:29 |
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| * QuantumG is liking Solid Works | 18:57 | |
| xp_prg | QuantumG want to help me with something? | 18:57 |
| QuantumG | sure | 18:58 |
| xp_prg | ok, I was told the best way to make my bio printer was to make a 3d cnc machine and the best thing to use to design it was solidworks | 18:59 |
| xp_prg | I need 600 dpi movement resolution | 19:00 |
| xp_prg | I was told to use worm gear and extra gears for that resolution | 19:01 |
| xp_prg | got any ideas? | 19:01 |
| QuantumG | what I've found good about solid works is it makes me go from "I guess it'll work like this" to "I'll make it 40mm diameter with a 3mm thickness." | 19:01 |
| QuantumG | it lets you see what will work and what wont | 19:02 |
| xp_prg | wow that is cool | 19:02 |
| xp_prg | so like do you have any ideas how to build what I want to build? | 19:02 |
| QuantumG | study up on your mechanical engineering? | 19:02 |
| xp_prg | not my major sorry :> | 19:03 |
| QuantumG | not mine either | 19:03 |
| QuantumG | but if you wanna make machines, that's what you have to learn. | 19:03 |
| xp_prg | can you pretend it was? | 19:03 |
| QuantumG | there's books available | 19:03 |
| xp_prg | so you can't help me? | 19:04 |
| QuantumG | thought I just did | 19:04 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: reverse engineering the .sldprt format has been on my todo list for a while. if you look at the data there's some sort of "polylist" that it contains, but i don't know what format the data is in | 19:05 |
| QuantumG | if by "help you" you mean "do it for me" then no | 19:05 |
| kanzure | some microsoft-special way of serializingdata objects | 19:05 |
| kanzure | *serializing data | 19:05 |
| kanzure | and sometimes it's zipped data in there, sometimes not, but even if it is zipped, the unzipped version doesn't make much sense | 19:06 |
| kanzure | (there's no "pk zip" starting off the "zipped data" segment, it's just based off of the polylist__ZIP naming convention) | 19:07 |
| QuantumG | yeah, fun | 19:07 |
| QuantumG | decoding the 3ds format was annoying enough | 19:07 |
| kanzure | doesn't blender have a .3ds writer? | 19:07 |
| kanzure | i'm not familiar with the details of that format now that i think about it | 19:08 |
| kanzure | anyway what i did for solidworks was i made progressively more complex models | 19:08 |
| kanzure | and saved a bajillion versions in different exported formats from solidworks | 19:08 |
| kanzure | so i have a line, a circle, an extruded circle, blah blah blah | 19:09 |
| kanzure | all in .sldprt, .iges, .stp, .xt, anything under the sun | 19:09 |
| kanzure | haven't done anything with this data yet.. very hard to reverse engineer a format when you don't have the original app running locally | 19:09 |
| QuantumG | there's like a dozen dimension types and such too | 19:10 |
| QuantumG | just looking at it from the interface point of view I can imagine the file format is a rat's nest | 19:10 |
| kanzure | i'm hoping there's some structure to it that i'm not seeing yet | 19:10 |
| kanzure | i.e. maybe they're doing an xml serializer and are binary encoding it? please please please? | 19:11 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/lab/opencascade/solidworks_source_structure.txt | 19:12 |
| kanzure | hm where did my notes on the format go | 19:12 |
| QuantumG | http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/4857163/SolidWorks_2009_for_64_bit_based_systems.4857163.TPB.torrent is the torrent I used btw | 19:12 |
| genehacker2 | did you get it to work quantumg? | 19:13 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: yeah i have a torrent, i just can't get it running under vmware | 19:13 |
| genehacker2 | I heard that solidworks reports to a central server or something? | 19:13 |
| kanzure | nah you can crack the hell out of it | 19:13 |
| xp_prg | QuantumG this is priated? | 19:13 |
| QuantumG | yeah, you disable the network when you install | 19:13 |
| genehacker2 | well I'm not experienced in the art of cracking software | 19:13 |
| QuantumG | then crack it | 19:13 |
| xp_prg | heh cool | 19:13 |
| xp_prg | is that the latest? | 19:14 |
| kanzure | i'm amazed at how stupid some software is | 19:14 |
| kanzure | like "ping a server and browse to port 80 and check if the code is correct" | 19:14 |
| kanzure | "if the code is right, the webserver will return 'true'" | 19:14 |
| kanzure | yeah like i'm not going to add that in my /etc/hosts file.. | 19:14 |
| genehacker2 | I'm a bit paranoid about downloading expensive software like solidworks and getting caught | 19:14 |
| QuantumG | If I ever use SolidWorks for something commercial I'll buy it, but that's the only chance I will. | 19:14 |
| genehacker2 | expensive software is bound to be backed by expensive lawyers | 19:15 |
| genehacker2 | hmmm... | 19:15 |
| genehacker2 | you do have a point though | 19:15 |
| QuantumG | how are you going to "get caught?" | 19:15 |
| QuantumG | 1. it's not even a copyright violation. | 19:15 |
| genehacker2 | wait a second how's that on the piratebay? | 19:15 |
| genehacker2 | didn't they sell out or something? | 19:16 |
| QuantumG | hehe, the media loves to report the death of thepiratebay more than John Lennon (when he was alive) | 19:17 |
| genehacker2 | now I just need 64 bit windows and I'm set | 19:17 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: that doesn't make sense when you have to explain lennon | 19:17 |
| kanzure | genehacker2: there's non-64-bit versions out there | 19:17 |
| QuantumG | there's probably a 32 bit torrent out there too | 19:17 |
| genehacker2 | and a safe way to torrent | 19:17 |
| kanzure | with a tinfoil hat on | 19:18 |
| genehacker2 | seem to be out of tinfoil at the moment | 19:18 |
| genehacker2 | what do you use quantumg? | 19:18 |
| QuantumG | Transmission .. on my linux box | 19:19 |
| genehacker2 | ok | 19:19 |
| genehacker2 | any special settings I should know about? | 19:20 |
| genehacker2 | for torrent clients? | 19:20 |
| QuantumG | limit your upload/download bandwidth if you don't want your network to crawl to a halt. | 19:21 |
| genehacker2 | ok | 19:21 |
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| kanzure | aha there it is. ~/local/solidworks/ | 19:25 |
| kanzure | it's called "COM structured output" or "OLE structured output" | 19:26 |
| kanzure | s/output/storage/ | 19:26 |
| QuantumG | oh dear | 19:27 |
| QuantumG | that's the stuff Microsoft used to use for doc files | 19:27 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: sudo apt-get install libgsf-bin; gsf cat mydrawingfile.SLDDRW PreviewPNG > preview.png && eog preview.png | 19:27 |
| kanzure | there's a pre-rendered "PreviewPNG" in .slddrw files, and usually .sldprt files too (for thumbnails) | 19:27 |
| kanzure | there's also "gsf list blah.sldprt" which is useful | 19:28 |
| kanzure | Contents/DisplayLists__ZLB any idea what ZLB means? | 19:28 |
| kanzure | i look at the hexdump for it and i'm totally clueless | 19:29 |
| QuantumG | no idea | 19:29 |
| QuantumG | http://isohunt.com/download/105184321/solidworks+2009.torrent <- SolidWorks 2009 Bible | 19:30 |
| QuantumG | you should be able to get some domain knowledge from it | 19:30 |
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| QuantumG | XChat | 20:31 |
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| ybit | genehackerclone:so what is this real irc client? | 21:20 |
| ybit | if you use windows, you can use pidgin, quassel, and irssi | 21:20 |
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| kanzure | hello Martyn, ybit | 21:28 |
| kanzure | Martyn: earlier today we were talking about reverse engineering .sldprt | 21:28 |
| kanzure | it's a "COM structured storage" file with some binary voodoo magic for the "display lists" | 21:29 |
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| Martyn | hmm .. | 21:42 |
| Martyn | there is no open file format for it? | 21:42 |
| Martyn | they don't publish it? | 21:42 |
| QuantumG | actually, there are docs for Microsoft's crap | 21:45 |
| QuantumG | but they're not actually readable | 21:45 |
| kanzure | solidworks doesn't have an "open" file format if that's what you're asking. | 21:46 |
| kanzure | as far as i can tell, they're using COM files but with their own binary data stored in it | 21:46 |
| kanzure | http://singularityhub.com/2009/12/22/a-review-of-the-best-robots-of-2009/ | 21:47 |
| kanzure | hah: http://humanpl.us/ | 21:48 |
| Martyn | Hmmm | 21:54 |
| Martyn | well that's a pain in the butt | 21:54 |
| Martyn | I never gave two seconds of thought as to the format of the sldprt file | 21:54 |
| QuantumG | I just presumed it was proprietary and that exporting would be more effective | 21:55 |
| Martyn | same here | 21:56 |
| kanzure | yep | 22:01 |
| kanzure | exporting is, in fact more effective | 22:02 |
| kanzure | but for some reason people still save .sldprt files | 22:02 |
| Martyn | sure. | 22:02 |
| Martyn | there is a program from .ru I used about a year ago that was able to convert solidworks files to other formats | 22:02 |
| kanzure | i bet they import the solidworks dll | 22:02 |
| Martyn | it was pretty good, and free. I don't know if it was open source. | 22:02 |
| kanzure | you can do all sorts of fancy solidworks programming if you get their development kit | 22:03 |
| Martyn | kanzure : On Linux? Doubt it | 22:03 |
| kanzure | was it working on linux? | 22:03 |
| Martyn | yes | 22:03 |
| kanzure | neat :) | 22:03 |
| Martyn | I wish I could remember what it was though | 22:03 |
| Martyn | it was one of those things I googled for, because I was in a hurry and really, REALLY had to get a part made | 22:03 |
| kanzure | huh | 22:03 |
| kanzure | i always thought those websites were just spam sites | 22:03 |
| kanzure | so i mentally glaze over them | 22:03 |
| Martyn | I had to get an STL file from a part I only had a solidworks part file for | 22:04 |
| Martyn | no, there are some very clever programmers in RU | 22:04 |
| kanzure | "convert for free! blah blah blah click here! solidworks keyword keyword keyword" | 22:04 |
| Martyn | The machine I used long ago died too .. back in Jan | 22:04 |
| kanzure | i don't know what to watch. superman or the matrix? | 22:04 |
| Martyn | Um, neither? | 22:04 |
| Martyn | *heh* | 22:04 |
| kanzure | i'm bored out of my mind | 22:05 |
| Martyn | Well, got any projects you haven't finished? | 22:05 |
| kanzure | many | 22:05 |
| * Martyn just bought a new iMac 27" today, so it's keeping me busy with it's setup tongiht | 22:05 | |
| kanzure | how do you afford all this crap? | 22:05 |
| kanzure | stonesomething? | 22:06 |
| genehackerclone | to do fem in solidworks it helps to have it the part in .sldprt | 22:08 |
| Martyn | kanzure : I founded a few companies, and work for a good one right now. I'm also good with money. | 22:09 |
| kanzure | what does "good with money" mean? | 22:09 |
| Martyn | Smooth-Stone, startup making a new ARM processor | 22:09 |
| Martyn | It means that if I have money, I tend to be able to make more of it. | 22:09 |
| Martyn | I'm good at managing my financies. | 22:09 |
| kanzure | well yeah that goes for anybody who has money | 22:09 |
| Martyn | finances rather | 22:09 |
| kanzure | "takes money to make money", so if you're loaded :) | 22:09 |
| Martyn | No, it doesn't. I know a lot of people for whom money goes in, and money goes out, but they have little to show for it. | 22:10 |
| kanzure | huh | 22:10 |
| kanzure | okie dokie | 22:10 |
| kanzure | who? i don't know anyone spewing money | 22:10 |
| Martyn | Really? you've never met someone for whom money falls through their bank account like some kind of sieve? | 22:10 |
| Martyn | I meet people like that all the time.. spending more than they have, "living the american dream": | 22:10 |
| kanzure | maybe the internet is just different | 22:11 |
| Martyn | In any case, the machine I bought is for a tax dodge. I have a small corporate entity I use to make PC boards (http://www.igotu.com/hackthebadge) | 22:11 |
| Martyn | My accountant advised me that I had to do a Capital Expenditure of about $2k to show a loss for the year. By doing so, the IRS will refund me a good chunk of change .. if I had shown a profit, I would have been massively taxed in a manner disproportionate to the profit. | 22:12 |
| genehackerclone | defcon badge hacking? | 22:12 |
| katsmeow | so you don't actually hire out board making services? | 22:12 |
| Martyn | genehackerclone : Yeah. I made it because Joe Grand just _wouldnt_ tell me anything about the defcon badges before the event. | 22:13 |
| genehackerclone | oh cool | 22:13 |
| genehackerclone | there's a reason he doesn't tell people | 22:14 |
| Martyn | So I built a very flexible board .. 0.8V to 5V, with a buck booster so it could run off batteries, and capable of SPI, I2C, and 46 pins of GPIO | 22:14 |
| genehackerclone | after all wouldn't want to spoil the surprise | 22:14 |
| Martyn | I generally still get a heads up about two weeks ahead of time. This time, they decided to make it a black badge contest . so there was more at stake. | 22:14 |
| Martyn | I still think my team should have won with our blimp :) | 22:14 |
| Martyn | Zoz so social engineered his win. | 22:15 |
| Martyn | Not that I think 2nd place is bad, given some of the really tough hacks we were up against. | 22:15 |
| genehackerclone | any pics of said blimp? | 22:16 |
| Martyn | katsmeow : Hmm? | 22:16 |
| katsmeow | [22:11] <Martyn> In any case, the machine I bought is for a tax dodge. I have a small corporate entity I use to make PC boards (http://www.igotu.com/hackthebadge) | 22:16 |
| genehackerclone | does it actually fair well in windy conditions | 22:16 |
| Martyn | katsmeow : No, I design my own boards, and program them. | 22:16 |
| katsmeow | [22:12] <katsmeow> so you don't actually hire out board making services? | 22:16 |
| Martyn | katsmeow : I have e-teknet make the boards in china (thank you globalization), and Virtex here in Austin does the assembly and population. | 22:17 |
| Martyn | I specialize these days in SMT | 22:17 |
| Martyn | since it's sooooo much cheaper | 22:17 |
| katsmeow | you don't make pcb for people, that is | 22:17 |
| Martyn | hell no | 22:17 |
| Martyn | I put the company together mostly so I could have fun, and sell designs I come up with. | 22:17 |
| katsmeow | but you bought a machine to do it | 22:17 |
| Martyn | What, the mac? | 22:17 |
| katsmeow | nm | 22:18 |
| Martyn | I bought that because I was at the Apple Store when the accountant called... | 22:18 |
| Martyn | and .. um .. got excited :) | 22:18 |
| Martyn | Impulse buy, but at least it has a reason for being. It also will ROCK at running Ubuntu :) | 22:18 |
| Martyn | And it will let that entity run at a net loss for '09 | 22:19 |
| Martyn | katsmeow : Most of my designs these days are 4+ layers and for SMT ... DIY machines haven't quite caught up, and the machines I would need to produce PCB's like those cost as much as some houses. | 22:23 |
| Martyn | although I did have -great- results recently in Noisebridge, with a special kind of 4 layer board. (route the top, route the bottom, and use the middle layers for ground and power) | 22:24 |
| Martyn | not all designs can work that way though | 22:24 |
| Martyn | also vias are tricky | 22:24 |
| Martyn | pong? | 22:26 |
| kanzure | ping | 22:28 |
| kanzure | was making dinner | 22:28 |
| Martyn | no worries | 22:30 |
| drazak | Martyn: maaan you should look at some of the audio boards at tangentsoft.net that are 4 layer | 22:32 |
| drazak | Martyn: pretty much just like that | 22:32 |
| drazak | vground and power as inner boards | 22:33 |
| Martyn | yep, that works if you're not too worried about EMI | 22:33 |
| drazak | the wanted signal on the inside and vground and power on the outside but something wasn't quite right | 22:34 |
| Martyn | (large groundplane near powerplane ... always bad) | 22:34 |
| drazak | (yeah) | 22:34 |
| drazak | (maybe they seperated the planes) | 22:34 |
| drazak | (you'd have to look, it'sbeen 4 months or so since I last checked around onthere) | 22:35 |
| Martyn | heh | 22:35 |
| * Martyn is almost done installing two more operating systems into the new box | 22:36 | |
| Martyn | Parallels runs FAST on this thing. Ubuntu is installed, so is Windows 7 (can't get around it for some software ... I'm OS agnostic) | 22:36 |
| kanzure | wait, there's software already dependent on windows7? _why_ | 22:36 |
| Martyn | no, just dependent on Windows | 22:37 |
| Martyn | I can get Windows 7 from UT for $29 | 22:37 |
| kanzure | so what? | 22:38 |
| kanzure | i'm sorry, i don't understand | 22:38 |
| Martyn | kanzure : Um, the cheapest I can get windows XP .. is $89 | 22:38 |
| Martyn | so, Windows 7 being cheaper, is what I'm going to use :) | 22:38 |
| kanzure | that wasn't my question though :/ | 22:38 |
| kanzure | nevermind | 22:38 |
| Martyn | What was your question again then? | 22:39 |
| kanzure | 22:36 < kanzure> wait, there's software already dependent on windows7? _why_ | 22:39 |
| kanzure | 22:37 < Martyn> I can get Windows 7 from UT for $29 | 22:39 |
| kanzure | 22:38 < kanzure> so what? | 22:39 |
| * kanzure goes back to work | 22:39 | |
| Martyn | Yeah, that's a bit unclear.... | 22:40 |
| Martyn | So what... what? | 22:40 |
| kanzure | really? it doesn't surprise you that people are already writing software for windows7 only? | 22:40 |
| Martyn | OH! | 22:41 |
| Martyn | I haven't come across windows 7 dependent software yet | 22:41 |
| Martyn | Solidworks 2010 works on it, so I just chose the cheaper option. | 22:41 |
| kanzure | okay. | 22:41 |
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