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| ybit | what does frank forman do? | 00:45 |
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| ybit | aka, premise checker (checker@panix.com) and www.panix.com/~checker/ | 00:46 |
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| kanzure | ybit: frank forman runs around with a cochlear implant iirc | 01:17 |
| timschmidt | he's a cyborg then? | 01:19 |
| QuantumG | have cochlear implants advanced much? | 01:19 |
| kanzure | gah i've spent the last 2 hours running around this weird russian webring | 01:21 |
| kanzure | why do the russians love ICQ so much? | 01:21 |
| QuantumG | so do the asians | 01:21 |
| timschmidt | I'm not sure. Much of the research is locked behind trade secret, copyright, and DRM. IOW, they're pretty standard embedded devices with no user hackability. | 01:21 |
| genehacker | the problem is with the connection to the human | 01:23 |
| genehacker | weird russian web ring? | 01:23 |
| genehacker | are you trying to become a spam king, I hear the russian mafia doesn't like people trying to encroach on their spam business | 01:23 |
| QuantumG | reminds me of the "bionic eye" research going on in my state/city | 01:24 |
| timschmidt | you'd think, but not entirely. A TON of DSP work has to be done on incoming audio. The implants essentially simulate the entire inner ear, and parts of the ear->brain neural interface in software. | 01:24 |
| QuantumG | nothing like dumping billions into dead-end research like interfacing with the retina. | 01:25 |
| genehacker | I wonder if there are any that will plug into MP3 players... | 01:25 |
| timschmidt | yes | 01:25 |
| genehacker | really? | 01:25 |
| timschmidt | One of the first cochlear implant hacks I ever saw - perhaps 5 years ago - was to add a line-in port. | 01:25 |
| genehacker | have they got any that are capable of emulating the cocktail party effect? | 01:26 |
| QuantumG | yeah, cochlear implants have had line-in standard for years now | 01:26 |
| genehacker | wow | 01:26 |
| genehacker | so there really are cyborgs | 01:26 |
| timschmidt | yup | 01:26 |
| genehacker | with thumps | 01:26 |
| genehacker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocktail_party_effect | 01:26 |
| QuantumG | I wonder if the bionic eye research will help at all with v1 implants | 01:27 |
| genehacker | v1 implants, version 1 implants or something else? | 01:27 |
| QuantumG | visual area 1 implants | 01:28 |
| timschmidt | I think most of the cocktail party effect happens in the auditory cortex. | 01:28 |
| QuantumG | ya know.. the stuff that isn't happening. | 01:28 |
| timschmidt | So long as the implants provide enough raw data at high enough fidelity, the effect should still take place. | 01:28 |
| genehacker | hmmm... let me dig out one of my books on it that seemed to suggest otherwise | 01:28 |
| genehacker | argh, can't find it | 01:30 |
| genehacker | hearing aid makers want to emulate it, apparently people with hearing problems don't experience it?? | 01:30 |
| genehacker | it'd seem like it would be in the auditory cortex too | 01:31 |
| timschmidt | I think hearing aid makers want to emulate it for other reasons - not that people with hearing problems don't experience it. | 01:31 |
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| timschmidt | Like a leg brace for someone who can walk, but not well. | 01:32 |
| genehacker | well if it happens in the auditory cortex then they'd have trouble making that feature into a hearing aid | 01:33 |
| timschmidt | depends on the amount of processing required. | 01:33 |
| genehacker | well if you can't get feedback from the auditory cortex on what to focus on | 01:34 |
| timschmidt | sure | 01:34 |
| genehacker | so do cochelar implants still suck or have they improved? | 01:34 |
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| timschmidt | AFAIK, they still don't approach the fidelity of the inner ear. | 01:35 |
| genehacker | I know | 01:36 |
| genehacker | doesn't much of the problem stem from stimulating one neuron instead of groups of them? | 01:36 |
| genehacker | or does the inner ear do some weird mechanical signal processing stuff that we can't do very well yet | 01:36 |
| timschmidt | both | 01:37 |
| timschmidt | last I read on the subject, there was some new research suggesting that the hairs in the cochlea did some interesting frequency processing. | 01:37 |
| * genehacker wonders about doing microfluidic audio signal processing... | 01:38 | |
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| timschmidt | IIRC, there was some radio reception research based on it. | 01:38 |
| genehacker | too bad jet amplifiers don't work at low RE | 01:38 |
| genehacker | you mean that each of the hairs is tuned to some frequency or something like that? | 01:39 |
| genehacker | IE only responds at one frequency | 01:39 |
| timschmidt | IIRC, that's the case, but there was some new insight as well. let me google. | 01:40 |
| superkuh | The hairs themselves do not detect frequency. They detect amplitude at a given frequency as a function of the vibrartion of the basilar membrane which has frequency mapped onto spatial location by acting as a resonating tube. | 01:40 |
| genehacker | ah cool | 01:41 |
| timschmidt | better said that I could have, but that is largely what I meant. | 01:41 |
| genehacker | thanks superkuh | 01:41 |
| superkuh | I don't think variation of response at the hair cell, or protein linkage level, is likely. | 01:42 |
| katsmeow | rows of PLL tone decoders | 01:42 |
| timschmidt | for future reference, home made apfelwein is ridiculously delicious. | 01:43 |
| katsmeow | what's interesting is the brain provided feedback to dampen the hairs, making for the nonlinearity curve seenin human hearing levels | 01:43 |
| genehacker | what's a PLL tone decoder | 01:43 |
| katsmeow | gene, like aLM567 chip | 01:44 |
| genehacker | I'm a mechanical engineer I don't know your electronic voodoo spirit names | 01:44 |
| genehacker | yet at least | 01:44 |
| superkuh | katsmeow: Dampen the hairs? Could you expand on this? | 01:44 |
| katsmeow | it's been noted the feedback can occur in abswence of incoming signal, so a mic placed at the ear can pick up the hairs *sending* audio | 01:44 |
| genehacker | really? | 01:45 |
| katsmeow | superkuh: to reduce amplitude | 01:45 |
| genehacker | link? | 01:45 |
| katsmeow | gene, i can't even search my own db atm | 01:45 |
| genehacker | now the thing to do is to see if this can't be emulated with MEMS... | 01:45 |
| superkuh | Yeah, but ... are you talking about mechanical dampening or changes in the firing behavior of interneurons? | 01:45 |
| genehacker | sounds like mechanical damping if you can hear it with a microphone | 01:46 |
| genehacker | got in papers in your database about this superkuh? | 01:47 |
| superkuh | Maybe. I am entirely ignorant of this specific topic. It sounds very interesting. | 01:47 |
| genehacker | about the inner ear at least | 01:48 |
| superkuh | http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/Library/000-Neuroscience/001-auditory/Two%20mechanisms%20for%20transducer%20adaptation%20in%20vertebrate%20hair%20cells%20PNAS-2000-Holt-11730-5.pdf | 01:49 |
| genehacker | ah cool | 01:49 |
| katsmeow | Submitted 31 October 2007; accepted in final form 30 January 2008 | 01:50 |
| katsmeow | Electrically evoked otoacoustic emissions are sounds emitted from the inner ear when alternating current is injected into the cochlea. Their temporal structure consists of short- and long-delay components and they have been attributed to the motile responses of the sensory-motor outer hair cells of the cochlea. The nature of these motile responses is unresolved and may depend on either somatic motility, hair bundle motility, or b | 01:50 |
| katsmeow | etc | 01:51 |
| katsmeow | superkuh, got paper on making 256m ddr1 sdram modules look like sram? | 01:52 |
| superkuh | Nope. | 01:52 |
| genehacker | got a technique for making tamiflu at home? | 01:58 |
| superkuh | None that I've tested myself. I discussed it quite a bit with a friend back in 04-06. There's no point anymore, though. | 01:59 |
| genehacker | no point because H1N1 became resitant to it? | 02:00 |
| superkuh | It was not easy to acquire Oseltamiver during those years. Now it is easy to buy. | 02:00 |
| genehacker | oh | 02:00 |
| genehacker | makes sense | 02:01 |
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| timschmidt | hmmm... just made another steel extruder barrel on the lathe. | 02:57 |
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| QuantumG | timschmidt: your lathe? | 03:41 |
| genehacker | wifi controlled helicopter http://www.parrot.com/parrot-ar-drone/en | 04:28 |
| genehacker | get it working with wimax and you'll freak security people out | 04:28 |
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| timschmidt | QuantumG: I have a sort of middle-sized lathe. It's a chinese-made 9x20. There's a couple yahoo groups and lots of webpages about them. | 11:21 |
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| kanzure | octopart.com has expressed an interest in SKDB | 12:26 |
| * kanzure has scheduled a spontaneous phone call for sometime later today | 12:27 | |
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| timschmidt | woo! octopart is awesome | 13:05 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: the problem with octopart that i've always complained about is that the datasheets are still PDFs | 13:12 |
| kanzure | so you can't actually search through attributes etc. | 13:12 |
| kanzure | we can use mechanical turk to hire people to type up the data sheets | 13:13 |
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| kanzure | timschmidt: i've been thinking that if we put up a website with a donation button (paypal or somesuch), people would donate to that cause | 13:14 |
| kanzure | if they were specifically hiring a certain number of people to type in certain datasheets | 13:14 |
| kanzure | so as soon as they put in the money, and link to the PDFs on the web, the mechanical turkers will type it up ASAP | 13:14 |
| kanzure | $1/page maybe | 13:14 |
| kanzure | and then just have a queue of pages that are yet-to-be-processed | 13:15 |
| kanzure | i'm sure even some companies would be interested in sponsoring this, as long as everyone has access to the datasheets | 13:15 |
| timschmidt | Most datasheet PDFs don't seem to be all-images. IOW, they still contain machine-parse-able text. We can't search them only because octopart is not currently indexing them. | 13:15 |
| kanzure | for supplierst hat have 1k+ datasheets, yes you could write a parser/regex | 13:16 |
| kanzure | *suppliers | 13:16 |
| kanzure | many datasheets do not follow the same format | 13:16 |
| timschmidt | meh. we can just cat them through pdftotext and index the output. | 13:16 |
| kanzure | per-supplier you're sometimes lucky | 13:16 |
| kanzure | yeah but the output is usually really broken. have you ever tried that? ;-) | 13:17 |
| kanzure | if you have a favorite supplier that hosts a lot of PDFs, i'll write a scraper if you gimme a few links | 13:17 |
| timschmidt | Does it have to be human readable? I'm not completely up on indexing theory, but it seems like word frequency would count a whole lot more than pretty much anything else. And an indexer doesn't care if a sentence line breaks half way through. | 13:18 |
| kanzure | fenn: and no i haven't forgotten that you want to do this with the machine handbook | 13:19 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: oh, well i wasn't thinking about sentences actually | 13:19 |
| kanzure | like min/max operating ranges on certain pins | 13:19 |
| timschmidt | ah | 13:19 |
| kanzure | or where (geometrically relative to the chip) each pin is | 13:20 |
| timschmidt | yeah, to extract tables of useful data, one would have to craft a custom parser. | 13:20 |
| kanzure | right | 13:20 |
| kanzure | so each supplier usually has the same format for all of their PDFs.. sometimes ;-) | 13:20 |
| timschmidt | You might be right that for that sort of thing, mechanical turk might work better. | 13:20 |
| kanzure | it's worth trying a parser first i guess | 13:20 |
| kanzure | if you have some favorite PDFs, a few links would be hawt | 13:21 |
| timschmidt | You'd have to turk (verb!) each datasheet several times to reduce error rates. | 13:21 |
| timschmidt | I've only really ever dug into the Atmel datasheets. | 13:21 |
| timschmidt | a few others, but nothing I've cared about enough to save links | 13:21 |
| kanzure | yeah i'm fond of atmel myself (haven't ever used an AVR yet) | 13:22 |
| Kuro_ | I think there's a text-recognition script that could be modified for PDF indexing. | 13:22 |
| kanzure | blah let me just get you guys an example | 13:22 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/atmel/ | 13:24 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/atmel/8059S.txt | 13:25 |
| ybit | where are the design files for the mfg open source cnc machine? | 13:25 |
| kanzure | ybit: that's why i'm trying to stalk down jorge.. he owes me a few files hehe | 13:25 |
| kanzure | i have his phone number but want to wait to do a cold call | 13:26 |
| ybit | i've already sent him an email requesting them | 13:26 |
| kanzure | when? | 13:26 |
| ybit | a few mins ago | 13:26 |
| kanzure | good luck | 13:26 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: from looking at the pdftotext output, PA7 is VCC, but it's hard to figure out what everything else is | 13:26 |
| ybit | octopart + skdb would be nice | 13:26 |
| ybit | gnushapus | 13:27 |
| kanzure | PB7 is "reset" i guess | 13:27 |
| kanzure | "D1 D C | 13:27 |
| kanzure | 0˚~7˚ A1 L" | 13:27 |
| timschmidt | kanzure: does pdf2html do any better? | 13:27 |
| kanzure | oh, i think the output is just fine.. it's just a matter of figuring out what the heck the order is | 13:27 |
| kanzure | timschmidt: but here it is anyway: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/atmel/8059Ss.html | 13:28 |
| kanzure | ybit: jason wants to open up a trailer/shop off of s. congress (a street near me) called "Gnusha's 3D Print Shop" | 13:29 |
| kanzure | haha.. "confusion research center" (james choate's proclaimed "hackerspace") has 511 square feet of space | 13:31 |
| kanzure | er forget i said that. i don't want to talk about that guy. | 13:32 |
| ybit | i have officially stalked five people associated with the mfg open source cnc machine and even started a discussion thread on the facebook group, i'm bound to be hear back from someone... | 13:37 |
| ybit | kanzure: ahaha, sounds great | 13:38 |
| ybit | the mascot will need to be changed if you are creating a business with it, since i ripped off several online sources | 13:39 |
| ybit | two primarily | 13:40 |
| kanzure | it's too bad the GNU mascot has no name | 13:40 |
| kanzure | http://www.afar.org/ american federation for aging research | 13:42 |
| ybit | or perhaps you could just get permission from the artists | 13:43 |
| MrClif | Morning... Do you guys have a link to the OS CNC machine? | 13:55 |
| MrClif | Here are some others I've collected: http://mtm.cba.mit.edu/ | 13:57 |
| MrClif | http://buildyourcnc.com/default.aspx | 13:57 |
| ybit | MrClif: http://opensourcecnc.blogspot.com/ | 13:59 |
| kanzure | MrClif: there are many DIY CNC machines out there, but i have never seen one explicitly licensed as open source | 14:01 |
| MrClif | ah... | 14:01 |
| MrClif | well look at the first link i sent. | 14:01 |
| MrClif | here is one: http://mtm.cba.mit.edu/machines/mtm_az/index.html | 14:02 |
| MrClif | its targeted at PCBs but it is a milling machine. | 14:02 |
| kanzure | doesn't look open source to me | 14:03 |
| kanzure | "Permission granted for experimental and personal use. License for commercial sale available from MIT. " | 14:03 |
| MrClif | opps... oh welll. :-[ | 14:03 |
| ybit | eek | 14:10 |
| ybit | "The total cost of the components is to be equal or less than $ 20,000 USD" | 14:10 |
| ybit | the mfg machine | 14:10 |
| MrClif | for the OS CNC? | 14:10 |
| kanzure | for jorge barrera's project | 14:10 |
| MrClif | but thats one Hot green machine... | 14:11 |
| MrClif | I think you'll find that those servo motors are quite expensive. | 14:16 |
| timschmidt | Big CNC machines intended for cutting hard metals - like jorge's - are not cheap. | 14:30 |
| timschmidt | Big motors, very strong and long linear bearings, huge heavy stiff and strong structural elements. | 14:31 |
| timschmidt | I believe the cost of all of these things increases far faster than linearly as any of the various desirable properties increases. | 14:33 |
| ybit | also MrClif http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-CNC/ | 14:36 |
| ybit | Phreedom has pointed some important points | 14:37 |
| ybit | (01:29:47 PM) phreedom: traditional cncs don't replicate well | 14:37 |
| ybit | (01:30:15 PM) phreedom: steppers, leadscrews, parts that are larger than the machine itself have to be sourced elsewhere | 14:37 |
| ybit | (01:30:37 PM) phreedom: also even if it could make leadscrews, copies would degrade | 14:38 |
| ybit | (01:32:55 PM) phreedom: also you probably hav already noticed lots of manual labor | 14:38 |
| timschmidt | ybit: although it's a popular misconception, copies don't necessarily degrade. It is quite possible to use a machine with parts of a given accuracy to produce parts of higher accuracy. | 14:40 |
| timschmidt | It's not easy, but it's very possible. | 14:41 |
| Phreedom | timschmidt: depends on what you consider "accuracy" | 14:41 |
| Phreedom | if you are referring to lapping, yes | 14:42 |
| Phreedom | try making a leadscrew that's more precise than machine's leadscrews | 14:42 |
| timschmidt | It's not particularly hard. | 14:43 |
| timschmidt | It's not necessarily do-able on a stock CNC machine, but other machinery has no problem. | 14:43 |
| timschmidt | The leadscrew can be geared down, for instance. Assuming you cut the new screw in one constant cut in the same direction, the gearing would not contribute appreciable backlash. | 14:44 |
| timschmidt | I can cut screws of almost any thread on my lathe for instance, even threads finer than the leadscrew used to drive the cutting tool. | 14:45 |
| Phreedom | timschmidt: I'm talking about things like linearity | 14:46 |
| Phreedom | making a more linear thread that's larger than the machine's working area(which is smaller than the machine's leadscrews) is pretty much impossible | 14:47 |
| ybit | "Hi Heath, the files were turned over to http://www.facebook.com/l/e93cc;mfg.com. They should be able to provide you with the info you need. There are a few people from http://www.facebook.com/l/e93cc;mfg.com who belong to the Open Source CNC Machine group (facebook). I suggest you contact them. And if there is any help you need... I'll be more than happy to help with what ever I can." | 14:47 |
| timschmidt | Phreedom: I wouldn't say so. It doesn't take much reading through turn of the century machining manuals to realize that there's a low-tech trick to do just about anything. | 14:49 |
| timschmidt | On top of that... it's common sense. We weren't gifted the world's largest machining tool two hundred years ago - from which all machines are descended. It's very possible to use a small machine to build parts for a larger version of itself... We've obviously done it before. it just takes some creativity and a suitably designed machine. | 14:51 |
| timschmidt | That said, you're probably not going to do this with a bog standard 3 axis CNC router. But who cares? The entire act of designing a self-replicating machine is an exercise in thinking outside the box. | 14:52 |
| timschmidt | The working area of a square or rectangular router is certainly capable of containing all of the router's pieces. Corner-to-corner distance is going to be significantly longer than any of the working axes. | 14:56 |
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| ybit | hrm, errno 111, connection refused at http://www.moonsociety.org | 15:08 |
| ybit | http://www.rbecollective.com/ | 15:09 |
| ybit | meh | 15:09 |
| ybit | kanzure: another person for you to stalk: Michelle Wojtaszek Religious Views: humans are silly | 15:13 |
| ybit | supposedly i stalked her awhile back since we are facebook friends :P | 15:14 |
| kanzure | octopart is just 3 people apparently | 15:17 |
| timschmidt | I believe it | 15:18 |
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| fenn | so they are still working on this... http://kokompe.cba.mit.edu/ | 16:35 |
| fenn | that is the "f-rep" i was talking about | 16:35 |
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| timschmidt | http://mtm.cba.mit.edu/machines/cement/index.html | 16:51 |
| timschmidt | That cast cement CNC chassis looks like a relatively inexpensive way to produce a machine capable of some serious work. | 16:52 |
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| fenn | yep | 17:20 |
| fenn | there are some better designs out there | 17:21 |
| fenn | another gripe about techshop; those "safety and basic usage" classes get expensive! | 17:40 |
| fenn | not to mention you have to go to them | 17:42 |
| QuantumG | <- no access to hardware, stfu | 17:43 |
| fenn | boo hoo | 17:46 |
| fenn | the point of techshop is that it's a buffet | 17:47 |
| QuantumG | ya just sound like an ungrateful whiner.. either go somewhere else or suck it up. | 17:49 |
| fenn | but that's different if it's $50-100 per new tool, and you have to make a date for a class every time | 17:49 |
| QuantumG | so.. you wanna use the machines without training? I mean, I'm sure if you show up with proof of previous training you could skip it, and if not you'd be within your rights to request a refund and go away. | 17:51 |
| fenn | well i don't plan on signing up to techshop, i'm just collecting reasons why they suck | 17:53 |
| QuantumG | haha.. you're such a dipshit. It's true what they say, a man who wants to do something will find a way, a man who doesn't will find an excuse. | 17:54 |
| Phreedom | timschmidt: good point about diagonal placement :) | 17:55 |
| Phreedom | timschmidt: there are some designs which have working area = 1/2 of table length and these won't work with diagonal placement | 17:57 |
| Phreedom | more space-efficient designs can probably fit | 17:57 |
| timschmidt | sure | 17:57 |
| Phreedom | so well, if you try hard probably you'll be abl to do it | 17:58 |
| Phreedom | but I wouldn't want to be the one who does it :) | 17:58 |
| timschmidt | right | 17:58 |
| timschmidt | Like I said, it probably wouldn't be easy. | 17:58 |
| timschmidt | It's likely one would have to take a multimachine-like approach, incorporating aspects of several machines into one. Adding some of the capabilities of a lathe would be an obvious first choice. | 18:04 |
| fenn | hah one of the techshop lathes broke due to member abuse, so "Rather than tackle this job at TechShop, I took the tailstock off and broght it home to my shop, where I knew I had all the equipment and tooling necessary to fix it up." | 18:08 |
| kanzure | heh | 18:10 |
| * timschmidt can't wait until my hackerspace has lathes - plural. | 18:11 | |
| kanzure | jerry was talking about seeing these giant CNC machines before | 18:12 |
| kanzure | something like 40x30 (feet) | 18:12 |
| kanzure | gear hobbers or something? | 18:12 |
| timschmidt | Have you ever been to IMTS? | 18:12 |
| kanzure | no? what's that | 18:12 |
| fenn | corporate circlejerk session | 18:13 |
| kanzure | anyway i'm in kyle, texas for the next few days, so i'm going to check out jerry's epilog laser cutter | 18:13 |
| kanzure | fenn: oh you mean congress? | 18:13 |
| timschmidt | it's held in Chicago every year. I went last year. They had CNC machines big enough to carve a bus out of a solid block of steel. | 18:13 |
| kanzure | fun | 18:13 |
| timschmidt | fenn: sure, but the equipment is a lot of fun to look over | 18:13 |
| kanzure | hm was andres morey in here earlier? | 18:13 |
| kanzure | he's our octopart contact | 18:13 |
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| kanzure | so did anyone else notice octopart's parametric part search? | 18:36 |
| kanzure | i was oblivious to it | 18:36 |
| fenn | i never noticed it | 18:36 |
| kanzure | http://octopart.com/parts/search?q=resistor&js=on | 18:37 |
| kanzure | up at the top above " Results 1-10 of 282,862 for resistor: | 18:37 |
| kanzure | for resistor" | 18:37 |
| kanzure | click on "parametric search" then on "show all" | 18:37 |
| fenn | hmm it killed my firefox | 18:38 |
| kanzure | O.o | 18:38 |
| fenn | well, locked it up for a while, seems to have figured itself out | 18:39 |
| kanzure | apparently they don't do part classification or categories.. just generic "eh it says resistor in the document so it must be a resistor right?" | 18:39 |
| kanzure | i also pitched the "turk it all at $1/page" idea, but andres didn't like it | 18:40 |
| kanzure | at least let users type up the data.. jeebus. | 18:41 |
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| kanzure | http://octopart.com/api/ | 18:41 |
| drazak | does nathan mccorkle come on irc? | 18:41 |
| drazak | (ever?) | 18:41 |
| fenn | i've never seen him (afaik) | 18:42 |
| kanzure | i wouldn't mind seeing him in here | 18:43 |
| kanzure | can you drop him the details? | 18:43 |
| drazak | I did | 18:43 |
| drazak | already | 18:43 |
| kanzure | good job, then | 18:43 |
| drazak | I was composing the email when fenn responded | 18:43 |
| drazak | he seems not-retarded | 18:44 |
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| kanzure | hm.. http://octopart.com/api/documentation | 18:44 |
| kanzure | dropout_voltage, forward_voltage, load_capacitance, mated_height, clock_speed, .. | 18:46 |
| kanzure | (under "Part methods") | 18:46 |
| drazak | kanzure: so we're allowed to use everything except transistors for this project at school | 18:46 |
| drazak | it's retarded | 18:46 |
| kanzure | high school still? | 18:47 |
| drazak | I was going to make a timer555 board with transistors (we're not allowed to use ICs( | 18:47 |
| drazak | yeah | 18:47 |
| drazak | science olympiad | 18:47 |
| drazak | also, for some reason I'm not doing cell bio (????) | 18:47 |
| drazak | retarded coaches | 18:47 |
| kanzure | biology people tend to outnumber electronics people, in my experience | 18:48 |
| drazak | it's not even an electronics event | 18:48 |
| drazak | its and event that allows you to use electronics | 18:48 |
| drazak | just... no transistors or ic's | 18:48 |
| kanzure | hm i have a conference call at 6pm and dinner at 6pm | 18:48 |
| kanzure | this will be fun | 18:49 |
| drazak | conference call dinner | 18:49 |
| drazak | :D | 18:49 |
| kanzure | hey does anyone know of a keyboard fan attachment? | 18:49 |
| kanzure | i seem to type better when the keyboard is cold | 18:49 |
| drazak | I applied to rice, I might be in texas next year | 18:49 |
| kanzure | http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/07/thankos_cooling_fan_keyboard_cools_your_overheated_wrists-2/ | 18:49 |
| kanzure | haha! | 18:49 |
| fenn | welp i guess you could get some vacuum tubes | 18:49 |
| kanzure | "Thanko’s Cooling Fan Keyboard Cools Your Over-Heated Wrists" | 18:49 |
| kanzure | because my hands are on fire 8) | 18:49 |
| kanzure | (i'm kidding- i'd get an external fan before i even thought of buying/building that) | 18:50 |
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| timschmidt | Yay! Another batch of apfelwein started: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOChgLzw2Xk | 20:04 |
| QuantumG | tim: wish you had cut the sound.. :) | 20:06 |
| timschmidt | sorry. sensitive mic | 20:08 |
| timschmidt | :-/ | 20:08 |
| timschmidt | I'll have to upload the next one with an equally annoying audio track... perhaps some nickelback. | 20:09 |
| genehacker | NOT NICKELBACK, ANYTHING BUT NICKELBACK | 20:13 |
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| timschmidt | :P | 20:14 |
| timschmidt | kneejerk response to youtube audio track complaint. Can always be worse. | 20:15 |
| genehacker | I know | 20:23 |
| drazak | longevity project thread sounds retarded | 20:30 |
| QuantumG | maybe with enough time they wont be so stupid (but unlikely) | 20:33 |
| drazak | well | 20:34 |
| drazak | it seems that the proponents are non-biology people, and they seem like they're going to have a hard time getting lab animals | 20:34 |
| QuantumG | through proper channels.. I await poorly produced research done on petshop supplied hamsters | 20:35 |
| drazak | ahah | 20:35 |
| drazak | hamsters are the worst animals for this that I can think of | 20:35 |
| QuantumG | lucky guess then | 20:36 |
| drazak | you can't do IV injections, not easily atleast, IM is a bitch to quantify for stuff like cancer (trust me, we try to do this with our lab hamster) | 20:36 |
| genehacker | http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ol902312m?journalCode=orlef7 | 20:49 |
| genehacker | NANODRAGSTERS | 20:50 |
| kanzure | ugh | 20:53 |
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| genehacker | just a reminder, sparkfun's freeday is tomorrow, we might want to pick up some stuff for the hackerspace | 21:45 |
| genehacker | what do you think about picking up some RFID readers and chips for the hackerspace Kanzure? | 21:46 |
| kanzure | how much are the readers | 21:46 |
| genehacker | not much | 21:46 |
| genehacker | ~$25 | 21:46 |
| kanzure | each? | 21:46 |
| genehacker | each | 21:47 |
| kanzure | that's kinda lame | 21:47 |
| kanzure | to be honest i do have the money (we have funding now) | 21:47 |
| kanzure | but it still sounds lame | 21:47 |
| genehacker | we don't need money | 21:47 |
| genehacker | it's freeday | 21:47 |
| kanzure | yeah but it's not repeatable | 21:47 |
| kanzure | is there anything else on the list you'd like | 21:48 |
| genehacker | me? | 21:48 |
| kanzure | yes | 21:48 |
| genehacker | I'd like a good gps receiver | 21:48 |
| kanzure | i can write a program to take up all of their stock on freeday | 21:48 |
| genehacker | and an imu | 21:48 |
| kanzure | but i need to know what to order | 21:48 |
| genehacker | awesome | 21:48 |
| genehacker | so here's the deal on freeday | 21:49 |
| genehacker | $100 of free stuff per person | 21:49 |
| genehacker | $100000 of freestuff total | 21:50 |
| genehacker | so 1000 people get freestuff | 21:50 |
| genehacker | or are you already familar with the rules? | 21:50 |
| kanzure | no | 21:50 |
| kanzure | do they do it per address? | 21:50 |
| genehacker | yes | 21:50 |
| kanzure | $100 free stuff per address? | 21:51 |
| genehacker | yes | 21:51 |
| genehacker | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php | 21:51 |
| kanzure | that sucks | 21:51 |
| kanzure | there's no way i'm going to get 1k addresses and names by tomorrow | 21:51 |
| fenn | don't be an ass | 21:52 |
| genehacker | I have two addresses | 21:52 |
| fenn | the sparkfun people are nice | 21:52 |
| genehacker | you have the hackerspace and your apartment | 21:52 |
| kanzure | genehacker: great that's only three | 21:52 |
| kanzure | fenn: ok | 21:52 |
| fenn | that said, i think the rfid readers would be a good thing to have around | 21:53 |
| kanzure | erm. guess there's nothing else i want to get | 21:54 |
| kanzure | can either of you drop some links? | 21:54 |
| genehacker | anyway I really just want a gps receiver | 21:54 |
| genehacker | yup | 21:54 |
| timschmidt | I have three addresses as well | 21:55 |
| genehacker | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8852 | 21:55 |
| genehacker | $25 RFID reader | 21:55 |
| * fenn looks at the hordes massing in #sparkfun and doubts he'll be able to get any discount at all | 21:56 | |
| kanzure | that's why i suggested a scraper :) | 21:56 |
| genehacker | me too | 21:57 |
| fenn | damn i guess $100k doesn't go as far as it used to | 21:57 |
| fenn | hell of an advertising mechanism though | 21:57 |
| genehacker | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8310 | 21:57 |
| genehacker | cheapest rfid chip out there | 21:58 |
| kanzure | who would be in on the scraper | 21:58 |
| kanzure | tim? | 21:58 |
| timschmidt | yes | 21:58 |
| genehacker | I'd be in on it | 21:58 |
| kanzure | i hope they don't do it per ip address :) | 21:59 |
| kanzure | oh well there's a way around that too | 21:59 |
| genehacker | would it work better running on a computer with a dammn fast internet connection? | 21:59 |
| kanzure | don't worry.. we have the connections | 21:59 |
| genehacker | I have a helluva of a fast connection here | 21:59 |
| superkuh | What happens to orders after the 100k is used up? | 22:00 |
| genehacker | so now to figure out what gps receiver to buy | 22:00 |
| superkuh | I am ready (http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/clutter/SparkFun%20Electronics%20-%20View%20Cart.mht) but worried. | 22:00 |
| genehacker | no more freestuff | 22:00 |
| kanzure | if sparkfun has done this before then i'd ask in #sparkfun if there's an error message after the free stuff is bought | 22:01 |
| fenn | they actually show what the discount will look like on the order page | 22:01 |
| fenn | so you know if it applied or not | 22:01 |
| kanzure | er *after there is no more freebie goodness left | 22:02 |
| kanzure | ok i need a file to maintain some information | 22:02 |
| kanzure | for the scraper to use | 22:02 |
| kanzure | i need a link to the product pages that you want to include in the order | 22:02 |
| kanzure | and an address, and whatever other information they ask on their current shipping page | 22:02 |
| kanzure | *current order page | 22:02 |
| kanzure | could any of you who want this please give me that information via email? | 22:04 |
| kanzure | hm don't know if i can pull this off.. i have surgery at 7AM tomorrow | 22:04 |
| genehacker | surgery? | 22:05 |
| genehacker | you going to be ok? | 22:05 |
| genehacker | you need a standby team? | 22:06 |
| kanzure | i'll be ok. | 22:06 |
| kanzure | just fyi | 22:06 |
| genehacker | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8975 | 22:07 |
| genehacker | this is all I want | 22:07 |
| kanzure | how many | 22:08 |
| genehacker | 1 | 22:08 |
| kanzure | ok i need you to email me the link, quantity, and your mailing address, and any other detail that they want from you on the order confirmation pages | 22:09 |
| drazak | kanzure: so how much funding do you have? | 22:13 |
| kanzure | the rules of the funding go like this: | 22:13 |
| fenn | "the order rate is going to be server-limited" haha | 22:13 |
| drazak | don't talk about the funding? | 22:13 |
| kanzure | (1) i am not allowed to reveal how much funding i have | 22:13 |
| kanzure | er wait that was #2 | 22:13 |
| drazak | it's fight club! :P | 22:13 |
| kanzure | the real #1 is i am not allowed to reveal who has given me this funding | 22:13 |
| drazak | are you doing the 40x8 trailer things? | 22:13 |
| kanzure | #3 is: i am not allowed to use it on personal living expenses | 22:13 |
| drazak | can't remember what they're called | 22:13 |
| kanzure | shipping containers | 22:14 |
| drazak | yes | 22:14 |
| kanzure | not in the next couple of months | 22:14 |
| fenn | kanzure: surgery is kindof a sucky birthday present | 22:14 |
| drazak | what kind of surgery? | 22:14 |
| fenn | so i am guessing < 5 minute window to place orders | 22:15 |
| timschmidt | probably | 22:15 |
| genehacker | ugh I'm still recoverying from my wisdom teeth removal I had on monday | 22:15 |
| drazak | wtf is a brass sponge for? | 22:17 |
| drazak | never heard of such a thing | 22:17 |
| drazak | assume it has to do with soldering | 22:17 |
| timschmidt | wisdom teeth are odd... they can be a breeze, or horrible. I only had a local, drove myself home, filled a prescription on the way, and only took a couple pain meds. Friends of mine have had basketball-sized heads afterwards. | 22:17 |
| drazak | I kinda like the good ol' sponge | 22:18 |
| genehacker | you mean the shiny golden spongy thing that is awesome for soldering? | 22:18 |
| genehacker | I came to love mine | 22:18 |
| drazak | really? | 22:19 |
| drazak | I like by blue sponge :P | 22:19 |
| ybit | the scraper would have to make sure the freeday discount isn't up before purcashing, you are supposedly told in your cart before checking out. the thing, it's hard to prepare a scraper for this, right, not knowing what method they will be using to let you know | 22:19 |
| drazak | can someone pay shipping for me? :S | 22:19 |
| kanzure | ybit: i think i can pull it off | 22:19 |
| kanzure | my other scrapers are still spamming various forums.. they fuck up their forms all the time trying to stop me | 22:20 |
| genehacker | will you be able to be other scrapers though | 22:20 |
| kanzure | what? | 22:20 |
| genehacker | *will you be able to beat other people's scrapers | 22:20 |
| kanzure | dunno :) | 22:22 |
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