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| fenn | moop | 00:02 |
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| fenn | why the big push to get replicatorg "integrated"? | 00:02 |
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| kanzure | s/push/nudge/ | 00:05 |
| kanzure | if it's more complicated than os.system("replicatorg input.stl") then nevermind | 00:05 |
| fenn | i'm not sure it's much more than a serial port in the end | 00:07 |
| fenn | i.e. it doesn't take STL files | 00:07 |
| fenn | i need to get more familiar with the reprap toolchain (actually use it at least once) | 00:08 |
| fenn | who do you know at the foresight jan. 15 conference? | 00:10 |
| kanzure | christine peterson and j. hall | 00:10 |
| fenn | they said they'd waive my ticket fee? | 00:10 |
| kanzure | no, let me follow up on that | 00:10 |
| fenn | thanks | 00:11 |
| fenn | did they just change the topic at the last moment? | 00:12 |
| fenn | i thought it was "open source, manufacturing, and nanotech" or something like that | 00:12 |
| kanzure | yeah me too, what does the page say now? | 00:12 |
| kanzure | http://foresight.org/conf2010/ | 00:12 |
| kanzure | "Open source in manufacturing and AI" | 00:13 |
| fenn | "the Synergy of Molecular Manufacturing and AGI" | 00:13 |
| kanzure | "Principles underlying exponential manufacturing" | 00:13 |
| kanzure | no that was always the title of it | 00:13 |
| fenn | oh, that's a subtopic | 00:13 |
| fenn | hm | 00:13 |
| fenn | i dont think i'd mess up that badly | 00:13 |
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| kanzure | hello nmz787 | 00:14 |
| nmz787 | hey bb | 00:14 |
| kanzure | are you mccorckle? | 00:14 |
| nmz787 | yep | 00:14 |
| fenn | hello | 00:14 |
| katsmeow-afk | ybit, where is Enterprise? | 00:15 |
| kanzure | drazak: your playmate's at the door | 00:15 |
| nmz787 | my laptoip might die | 00:15 |
| nmz787 | brb with cord | 00:15 |
| kanzure | fenn: ok i sent out a few emails re: foresight2010 | 00:15 |
| nmz787 | ok | 00:15 |
| fenn | wow this is pretty good for a 1996 website: http://web.archive.org/web/19961105125543/http://www.foresight.org/ | 00:15 |
| nmz787 | ok | 00:16 |
| kanzure | better than most of the crap out there right now | 00:16 |
| kanzure | "This Web site is maintained by James B. Lewis Enterprises" wut? | 00:16 |
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| nmz787 | is ben here? | 00:34 |
| genehacker | which ben? | 00:34 |
| nmz787 | sorry | 00:34 |
| nmz787 | i meant drazak | 00:34 |
| kanzure | we have many bens :) but drazak seems to be dead tonight | 00:35 |
| nmz787 | ahh | 00:35 |
| nmz787 | all about the benjamins baby | 00:35 |
| nmz787 | or pentiums | 00:36 |
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| kanzure | good night world | 00:47 |
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| QuantumG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL0im9b6GgU | 01:00 |
| QuantumG | http://www.jhu.edu/chembe/gracias/Publishedpapers/TimPNAS.pdf | 01:03 |
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| fenn | anyone know what "GNR technologies" refers to? in the context of AGI/brain emulation | 02:09 |
| fenn | um, or renewable energy stuff maybe | 02:10 |
| genehacker | quantumg that video is cool | 02:10 |
| QuantumG | GNR refers to Genetics, Nanotechnology and Robotics | 02:12 |
| QuantumG | (and typically the irrational fear there-of by people who should know better) | 02:12 |
| genehacker | I for one welcome our genetically engineerined nanorobotic overlords | 02:19 |
| fenn | gah fucking techshop "there are currently no events" | 03:15 |
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| fenn | but january 10 is the AI meetup group | 03:15 |
| fenn | hah gershenfeld is getting into AI research now | 03:18 |
| fenn | "The new project, launched with an initial $5 million grant and a five-year timetable, is called the Mind Machine Project, or MMP, a loosely bound collaboration of about two dozen professors, researchers, students and postdocs. " | 03:18 |
| fenn | 'According to Neil Gershenfeld, one of the leaders of MMP and director of MIT’s Center for Bits and Atoms, one of the project’s goals is to create intelligent machines — “whatever that means.”' | 03:18 |
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| genehacker | it probably means using machine tools with adaptive control | 03:45 |
| fenn | yo dawg i herd u like iphones... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4IjeO7g6kA | 04:06 |
| fenn | "People i need ur help im gathering all the young minds of the world to help me. I may have found a form of artificial life not evactly how u would picture it. I may have found a huge neetwork of data forming a world of creatures made up of bits of DATA i am working on a program that is one of these creatures under my control so that i can step into thier world and these creatures do not have a solid form but can be seen when u enter the dada ba | 04:18 |
| fenn | "contact my email Zac7@aol.com and the subject will be known as project mastere code ok tell all ur smartest friends" | 04:19 |
| fenn | gotta catch em all | 04:19 |
| genehacker | is that real? | 04:19 |
| fenn | yeah :\ | 04:19 |
| genehacker | has the internet discovered it yet? | 04:19 |
| fenn | it's just a somewhat unappropriate comment on popsci.com | 04:20 |
| genehacker | looks like it's undiscovered then | 04:20 |
| genehacker | link? | 04:20 |
| fenn | meh. i don't know why you care, but here it is: http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2009-12/scientists-collaborate-rebuild-artificial-intelligence-ground | 04:21 |
| genehacker | I'm trying to come up with a way to automatically generate ridiculous conspiracy theories and comments like this | 04:22 |
| genehacker | why might you ask? | 04:22 |
| fenn | because they mirror your natural thought processes? | 04:23 |
| fenn | har har | 04:23 |
| genehacker | because hopefully a machine can create more ridiculous nonsense than a human and that will at least restore some of my faith in humanity | 04:23 |
| fenn | dude just feed any HMM chatbot text from rense.com | 04:23 |
| fenn | maybe that's too political for you | 04:25 |
| genehacker | shit why did I have to discover that website | 04:25 |
| genehacker | I just lost more faith in humanity | 04:25 |
| genehacker | it's not even funny conspiracy theories | 04:26 |
| genehacker | it's sort of depressing that people do these sort of things | 04:28 |
| fenn | lots of things are depressing.. it doesn't mean you have to amplify it with technology | 04:29 |
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| fenn | huh. this place is hiring, apparently: http://myfreeimplants.com/ | 05:03 |
| fenn | i think they need a "my free photographer" partner website | 05:08 |
| fenn | rawr all this stuff happening on the 16th | 05:34 |
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| faceface | anyone got this? Hierarchy Theory: A Vision, Vocabulary and Epistemology | 08:28 |
| Trooem | www.loadevery.com | 08:28 |
| faceface | also Koestler, Arthur. 1967. The ghost in the machine | 08:28 |
| faceface | Trooem: @me? | 08:28 |
| Trooem | yup | 08:28 |
| kanzure | hello dan :) | 08:29 |
| faceface | hey bryan | 08:29 |
| faceface | kanny find it | 08:30 |
| faceface | Arthur Koestler proposed three domains of creativity - artistic inspiration, scientific discovery and comic inventiveness. | 08:33 |
| Trooem | i fall in the category of artistic inspiration and comic inventiveness. | 08:34 |
| Trooem | zero scientific discovery. | 08:34 |
| faceface | I just fall | 08:34 |
| Trooem | fall where? | 08:34 |
| faceface | down | 08:34 |
| Trooem | into the blackhole of creativeness where no light can escape? | 08:35 |
| Trooem | great :) | 08:35 |
| faceface | hrm... I wonder if creativeness has a speed | 08:35 |
| Trooem | yup... it does, at the rate of deductive reasoning. | 08:35 |
| Trooem | but then, | 08:35 |
| faceface | ever read about kaufmans stable attractors and 'concepts' | 08:35 |
| Trooem | creativity itself comes from your view of the world- | 08:36 |
| Trooem | so.. it's not a speed thing. | 08:36 |
| faceface | just wondering about excape velocity, but its silly really | 08:36 |
| Trooem | so many variables for just... deductive reasoning to come up with good ideas.. | 08:36 |
| Trooem | no... dont know what that is... i'm just a business guy in marketing... | 08:36 |
| faceface | why u here? | 08:37 |
| Trooem | to make money | 08:37 |
| Trooem | joint-venture. | 08:37 |
| Trooem | and experiment. | 08:37 |
| Trooem | programmers and... marketers get along well together. | 08:37 |
| Trooem | and... i have a serious dedication to humanity + | 08:38 |
| faceface | cool | 08:38 |
| Trooem | what do you do here faceface | 08:38 |
| faceface | ask for pdfs ;-) | 08:39 |
| faceface | I don't spend much time in here | 08:39 |
| Trooem | what do you do with kanzure is more specific question. what partnership? | 08:39 |
| faceface | can't find any good links on kauffman nets and attractors and states in the brain | 08:39 |
| faceface | nothing productive | 08:39 |
| Trooem | general research of common interest. ok... | 08:40 |
| faceface | I tend to suggest things that I'm too busy to do in the hope that someone else will do it | 08:40 |
| faceface | kanzure caught my attention with diybio | 08:40 |
| Trooem | oh | 08:40 |
| Trooem | that's good | 08:40 |
| Trooem | outsourcing for free. :P | 08:41 |
| * Trooem is formulating a strategy for global domination. Practical. | 08:55 | |
| Trooem | mwa hahaahahhaha | 08:55 |
| fenn | gah it's morning in timezone 6 | 08:59 |
| fenn | trooem just create a mind control virus, easy peasy | 09:00 |
| Trooem | make everyone into zombies? wow wouldn't that be a dream come true. i love zombie movies. | 09:02 |
| Trooem | i'd get to break into wal-mart alone and steal everything for fun. bwa hahahaha | 09:03 |
| Trooem | ....sigh... wal-mart. i lived in canada for too long. | 09:03 |
| faceface | Trooem: so you want a business idea? | 09:04 |
| Trooem | ive got lot of plans ready, but please more would be appreciated. | 09:04 |
| faceface | cool | 09:06 |
| faceface | basically SNPedia carries a huge DB of human mutations | 09:06 |
| faceface | there was a good blog on the '10 best SNPs' recently... | 09:06 |
| faceface | http://snpedia.blogspot.com/2010/01/snpedias-top-10-snps-of-year.html | 09:06 |
| faceface | basically... we need to develop a resource to allow people to pick the mutations that they 'want' or not | 09:07 |
| faceface | allowing the community to work on a 'version' of the human genome that would be maintained like software | 09:07 |
| Trooem | wow it's SKDB in Biological form. nice | 09:08 |
| faceface | SKDB? | 09:08 |
| Trooem | err, it's a project about electronic pickings... kind of like you described there.. | 09:08 |
| Trooem | DIY electronics... sort of | 09:09 |
| Trooem | i'm not sure. | 09:09 |
| Trooem | anyway, | 09:09 |
| faceface | Trooem: basically, I think that people will always want 'random' kids, however, people won't want kids with high risk of cancer, for example | 09:09 |
| Trooem | ok... | 09:09 |
| faceface | the most up to date 'version' of the human genome in the system would be 'anti-cancer-2.34' | 09:09 |
| faceface | i.e. all the best info on 'anti-cancer' genes | 09:09 |
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| faceface | with teh appropriate suite of mutations | 09:10 |
| faceface | this is available in teh literature, what is missing is the resouce for gathering and versioning | 09:10 |
| faceface | companies can use the resource at a price, to design babies | 09:10 |
| Trooem | i see... | 09:10 |
| faceface | one component would be the 'designer', just like in gattaca, given two genotypes, it would design a possible offspring | 09:11 |
| faceface | given certain fixed and flexible criteria | 09:11 |
| faceface | i.e. low risk of all common disease, optional sexuality, random hair color etc. etc. | 09:11 |
| Trooem | are you going to develop this? | 09:12 |
| Trooem | may i ask your age? | 09:12 |
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| faceface | Yes, I'd like to develop it | 09:13 |
| faceface | if only as a way to really get people focused on the world that we are soon to be living in | 09:13 |
| faceface | its 900 dollars to get >1,000,000 snps read | 09:13 |
| faceface | (currently) | 09:14 |
| faceface | cheaper all the time | 09:14 |
| Trooem | it's something very lucrative for the future but it's not my field of expertise. how i can help out is management of the business and getting the word across with promotion. but it sounds great, this bio-industry is a goldmine, people haven't developed with any areas. especially infotech- (not much competition i mean) | 09:14 |
| faceface | whole genome association studies are going to sample people in the millions to determine links with traits such as cancer | 09:14 |
| faceface | right | 09:14 |
| faceface | I'm 32 btw | 09:14 |
| Trooem | i am 26 :) | 09:15 |
| Trooem | 5 years marketing experience, and quite savvy in my opinion :))) | 09:15 |
| Trooem | that sounds cool | 09:15 |
| Trooem | so i'm guessing not only companies, but in the future, everyone would want this genome data read for themselves | 09:17 |
| Trooem | and their family | 09:17 |
| Trooem | for custom tailored drugs befitting to their genetic info. knowing their weaknesses and vulnerabilities.. | 09:18 |
| fenn | wow. new tv set is sending uncompressed blu-ray video over a wireless connection up to 10 meters | 09:18 |
| Trooem | but that's in the future... and for now, it's for smaller companies requiring data for their purposes.. | 09:18 |
| Trooem | haha | 09:18 |
| Trooem | not too sure, let me know if i can help out man | 09:19 |
| Trooem | fenn: how fast? | 09:19 |
| faceface | er... OK | 09:20 |
| Trooem | or was it just an idea you're giving me here? | 09:21 |
| Trooem | hahaha | 09:21 |
| Trooem | anybody want to give me a job? | 09:24 |
| Trooem | i'm playing around at the moment | 09:24 |
| fenn | Trooem: 4 gigabit | 09:27 |
| Trooem | ........wow | 09:27 |
| fenn | yeah i wouldnt know what to do with that much bandwidth | 09:28 |
| * kanzure grumbles | 09:33 | |
| kanzure | back | 09:33 |
| Trooem | welcome back | 09:34 |
| Trooem | we've got to make some serious strategy and plans for your business kanzure | 09:34 |
| Trooem | or wait.. years until they formulate on it's own | 09:35 |
| Trooem | hahahaha | 09:35 |
| kanzure | faceface: do you know of a whole genome version of SNPedia? | 09:35 |
| faceface | kanzure: afaik that is what SNPedia attempts to be | 09:36 |
| faceface | unless I didn't understand what you mean | 09:36 |
| kanzure | snpedia sucks | 09:36 |
| kanzure | it's a wiki | 09:36 |
| kanzure | er | 09:36 |
| kanzure | wikis do not suck de facto | 09:36 |
| faceface | kanzure: snpediarocks ... its a wiki! | 09:36 |
| kanzure | but this is a bioinformatics problem | 09:36 |
| kanzure | not a "let's make lots of unparsable text" problem | 09:36 |
| faceface | kanzure: it uses semantic media wiki to make it machine readable | 09:36 |
| kanzure | oh joy | 09:36 |
| faceface | anyway, before we get off topic, | 09:37 |
| faceface | what did you mean by 'whole genome version'? | 09:37 |
| kanzure | i think this is on topic :) | 09:37 |
| faceface | kanzure: you know smw is my favourite thing ever? | 09:37 |
| kanzure | i did not know this. | 09:37 |
| faceface | I made a demo site here | 09:37 |
| faceface | http://pgscdemo.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page | 09:38 |
| faceface | here is one example of structured data being displayed in a variety of formats: http://pgscdemo.referata.com/wiki/Institute | 09:38 |
| faceface | here is a wiki I made to collect information about software: | 09:39 |
| faceface | http://seqanswers.com/wiki/Special:BrowseData | 09:39 |
| kanzure | i don't want to talk about this right now. | 09:39 |
| kanzure | all i know is that i have no wikitext parser | 09:39 |
| faceface | (I need to link that to software ontologies) | 09:39 |
| faceface | kanzure: export as RDF? | 09:39 |
| faceface | semanitc web? | 09:39 |
| faceface | anyway, its not important | 09:39 |
| faceface | what did you mean by 'whole genome version'? | 09:40 |
| faceface | of SNPedia? | 09:40 |
| kanzure | well, SNPedia is only a few specific SNPs | 09:40 |
| kanzure | of course, more are added daily | 09:40 |
| kanzure | but | 09:40 |
| faceface | dbSNP is more comprehensive | 09:40 |
| kanzure | okie dokie, thanks | 09:40 |
| faceface | but SNPedia aims to cover all of dbSNP iirc | 09:40 |
| kanzure | sure | 09:40 |
| faceface | I believe | 09:40 |
| faceface | crist... where is an overview ? | 09:42 |
| faceface | found it | 09:42 |
| faceface | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/projects/SNP/snp_summary.cgi | 09:42 |
| faceface | dam... thats statistics | 09:43 |
| faceface | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/projects/SNP/get_html.cgi?whichHtml=overview | 09:43 |
| faceface | lovely url | 09:43 |
| kanzure | gee it would be nice to overlay SNPedia's information on top of my whole genome | 09:46 |
| kanzure | faceface: do you have any RSS that i am missing here? http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/rss/ | 09:47 |
| faceface | kanzure: very unlikely | 09:48 |
| kanzure | :( | 09:48 |
| faceface | kanzure: they had a 'promethius' project to do something similar iirc | 09:48 |
| faceface | kanzure: by genome, you mean sequence? | 09:48 |
| faceface | or genotype | 09:48 |
| kanzure | sequence | 09:49 |
| faceface | in theory, you could carry your resequencing results to a pipeline that would call all your snps, look them up in snpedia and present a summary | 09:49 |
| kanzure | like let's say i paid $50k for my whole genome sequence (for some reason) | 09:50 |
| kanzure | yep | 09:50 |
| faceface | right | 09:50 |
| kanzure | that would be a nice pipeline to have | 09:50 |
| faceface | kanzure: my colleague was involved in the korean genome sequencing project | 09:50 |
| faceface | they did it like that | 09:50 |
| kanzure | hey i forgot to ask, how did you meat JB? | 09:50 |
| faceface | they confirmed the snps called by sequence mapping by using a genotyping chip | 09:50 |
| kanzure | from KOBIC | 09:50 |
| faceface | he was my phd supervisor for 2 years | 09:51 |
| kanzure | neat | 09:51 |
| faceface | he quit in year 3 ;-) | 09:51 |
| kanzure | Trooem is korean as well | 09:51 |
| faceface | cool | 09:51 |
| kanzure | i had him translate KOBIC's website for me :p | 09:51 |
| faceface | kanzure: jb quit kobic recently I believe | 09:51 |
| kanzure | oh noes | 09:51 |
| kanzure | why? | 09:51 |
| faceface | not sure | 09:52 |
| faceface | kanzure: have you seen the 23and me summaries? | 09:52 |
| faceface | I can give you JBs details... | 09:52 |
| faceface | log you into the site to see the info they give from a set of snps | 09:53 |
| kanzure | no i've never seen 23andme's summaries | 09:53 |
| faceface | lemmy find it for you | 09:53 |
| kanzure | i do however have JB's snp set somewhere | 09:53 |
| faceface | it tells you your eye color ;-) | 09:53 |
| faceface | sorry, its decodeme | 09:54 |
| Trooem | yes i'm korean. let me know if you guys need some translation or communication. | 09:54 |
| faceface | login: DCMEVHCX1 | 09:54 |
| faceface | pw: 7890uiop | 09:54 |
| Trooem | those koreans hardly 'speak' korean. they write well ok though. | 09:54 |
| faceface | that is jongs account on decodeme | 09:54 |
| faceface | Trooem: ? | 09:55 |
| Trooem | i mean they don't speak english | 09:55 |
| Trooem | oi...... | 09:55 |
| faceface | right | 09:55 |
| faceface | Trooem: where do you work? Samsung? ;-0 | 09:55 |
| faceface | ;-) | 09:55 |
| kanzure | hm decodeme is advertizing $195 USD on their home page | 09:55 |
| Trooem | i'm stand alone affiliate marketer joint-venturing everywhere. :P | 09:55 |
| kanzure | i wonder what that includes | 09:55 |
| faceface | kanzure: actually, one wiki link I posted above has several 'snp calling' tools listed | 09:56 |
| kanzure | neat | 09:56 |
| kanzure | Trooem: http://decodeme.com/ | 09:56 |
| faceface | lemmy find it for you | 09:56 |
| kanzure | v1 of mangafox looks much more cute http://v1.mangafox.com/ | 09:56 |
| faceface | http://seqanswers.com/wiki/Special:BrowseData/Bioinformatics%20application?Biological_domain=SNP_discovery | 09:56 |
| kanzure | thanks | 09:57 |
| Trooem | kanzure: my family can use that, thanks. | 09:57 |
| faceface | in the korean genome project they used maq | 09:57 |
| faceface | very popular tool I think | 09:57 |
| faceface | heng li, the author of maq, seems cool | 09:57 |
| kanzure | maq is a tool? | 09:57 |
| faceface | he also developed bwa | 09:57 |
| faceface | yup | 09:57 |
| faceface | its a read mapping / snp calling tool | 09:58 |
| faceface | produces a table of SNPs that, in theory, could be x-reffed with SNPedia | 09:58 |
| faceface | the promehteus tool does some kind of automatic literature association with any given list of SNPs | 09:59 |
| faceface | I think | 09:59 |
| faceface | http://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Promethease | 09:59 |
| faceface | kanzure: teh 195$ is a 'cardio scan' | 10:00 |
| faceface | https://www.decodeme.com/store | 10:00 |
| kanzure | fenn: any ideas on parsing this "JSON" data? http://pastebin.com/f12bc4f3c | 10:07 |
| kanzure | i don't like how the attributes don't automagically have units.. how do i know one supplier uses meters and another uses inches? | 10:08 |
| faceface | A postdoctoral research position is available for a highly motivated individual with excellent skills in molecular biology to join the Faulkner Lab at The Roslin Institute, University of Edinburgh. As a member of a multidisciplinary research group, the successful applicant will drive research projects based on the generation, analysis and cross-validation of next generation sequencing data derived from a range of human cell types. | 10:09 |
| faceface | - One post-doc (2 years) to participate in the ERA-Net Pathogenomics | 10:10 |
| faceface | Project “Pathomics, Host-pathogen protein-protein interactomes and their | 10:10 |
| faceface | influence on the host metabolome” | 10:10 |
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| Trooem | http://cnse.albany.edu/ | 10:22 |
| Trooem | College of nano-scale science and engineering. | 10:22 |
| Trooem | albany sucks but good school maybe | 10:23 |
| kanzure | mike grube and a friend made a ModEEG from the OpenEEG project, neat | 10:28 |
| kanzure | http://openvibe.inria.fr/ | 10:29 |
| * Trooem is lighting candles and dimming the room for meditating abstract ideas... | 10:32 | |
| Trooem | wow brain-computer interfaces... | 10:32 |
| Trooem | connect this to 1 nanite, have human control,a | 10:32 |
| Trooem | and we can fix... lot of things in our body | 10:33 |
| Trooem | without surgery | 10:33 |
| Trooem | bah | 10:33 |
| Trooem | not a nanite in nano-scale with AI, but microscopic level- miniature machine | 10:34 |
| Trooem | fixing up veins | 10:34 |
| Trooem | or something | 10:34 |
| Trooem | ahahhaahah | 10:34 |
| Trooem | wouldn't that be nice | 10:34 |
| * Trooem is really watching triple x, and thinking of underground russian marketers... | 10:34 | |
| * Trooem triple x as in the movie with Vin Diesel. | 10:35 | |
| faceface | synthetic nerves could be a good spinal treatment | 10:38 |
| faceface | nerve cells are > 1m in length | 10:39 |
| faceface | which is why they can't be fixed | 10:39 |
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| kanzure | mike grube wants to do a bci project with us | 10:42 |
| Trooem | is that the guy from La Honda? the most prestigious tech R&D facility..? | 10:50 |
| kanzure | http://dailydiy.com/2010/01/08/fab-your-own-lego/ (andrew plumb) | 10:51 |
| kanzure | http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1405 | 10:51 |
| kanzure | andrew plumb interview http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/interview_with_makerbot_owner_andre.html | 10:51 |
| kanzure | (and andrew's on the makerbot mailing list often, i think he's recently fallen in love with heekscad) | 10:51 |
| kanzure | Trooem: no | 10:51 |
| Trooem | haha nvm | 10:52 |
| Trooem | you guys are so high tech | 10:52 |
| Utopiah | http://www.ebookshare.net/programming/Practical-Arduino-Cool-Projects-for-Open-Source-Hardware-Edition-December-2009-Retail-Ebook-ATTiCA-8099.html | 10:52 |
| * Trooem is sensing change in the winds... Something good's gonna happen... | 10:56 | |
| Trooem | for all of you :) | 11:02 |
| genehacker | the wind changed here and all we got was cold weather... | 11:22 |
| Trooem | the skies are gonna clear up~ put on a happy face~~~ | 11:25 |
| Trooem | feeling like a pirate here. where shall i head to | 11:25 |
| Trooem | hmm | 11:25 |
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| kanzure | I was once told that a city needs a population of 250,000 to make 90% | 12:15 |
| kanzure | of its own needs and wants." | 12:15 |
| kanzure | buh? | 12:15 |
| genehacker | cities aren't totally self sufficient though | 12:26 |
| kanzure | fenn: are you around? | 12:43 |
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| kanzure | inter-hackerspace membership http://groups.google.com/group/hackerspaces/msg/ea4c38f8bca0bf85?hl=en | 13:19 |
| ybit | katsmeow-afk: hm, Enterprise? | 13:25 |
| ybit | kanzure: could you send an email to Mitch saying, oops, i also want files | 13:26 |
| ybit | more than likely there isn't a license tagged on them either | 13:26 |
| kanzure | it sounded like there's a piece in the puzzle that he's missing, and the cnc machine design is a piece he already has | 13:37 |
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| kanzure | hello thesnark | 14:03 |
| thesnark | =D | 14:03 |
| kanzure | grumble grumble http://stackoverflow.com/questions/156279/how-to-import-a-sql-server-bak-file-into-mysql/156479#156479 | 14:17 |
| thesnark | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/156279/how-to-import-a-sql-server- | 14:17 |
| thesnark | bak-file-into-mysql/156479#156479 | 14:17 |
| thesnark | sorry | 14:17 |
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| ybit | re:inter-hackerspace membership, ick | 14:37 |
| ybit | we went over this at the hackerspace meetup in hville this summer | 14:37 |
| kanzure | right | 14:38 |
| kanzure | i don't know about the whole "membership" idea anyway | 14:38 |
| ybit | i don't like the idea of having some completely random guy coming over to our space and having full rights to whatever.. i don't mind sharing, but i don't see what's wrong with the current system, where you contact someone from a hackerspace and see if you can't visit while you are in town | 14:39 |
| kanzure | the problem with the contact-whoever model is that that "whoever", then, has to be a "member" | 14:40 |
| ybit | and that's a problem, how? :P | 14:40 |
| kanzure | member selection criteria | 14:41 |
| ybit | there would need to an agreed upon member selection criteria if i were to agree to opt for this inter-hackerspace membership idea | 14:42 |
| kanzure | i don't want it either | 14:42 |
| kanzure | but i thought it was worth forwarding | 14:42 |
| ybit | sure | 14:42 |
| kanzure | however, a co-op could be able to pull that off | 14:42 |
| kanzure | especially if we have a co-op member in each hackerspace | 14:42 |
| ybit | the guy who brought it up this summer was from the houston hackerspace | 14:43 |
| kanzure | so you practically have "guaranteed" access as long as there's a gnusha hacker on the premises | 14:43 |
| ybit | http://hackerspaces.soup.tv/ | 14:45 |
| kanzure | fenn: there's a hackerspace in bloomington | 14:49 |
| kanzure | grr why are they called hackerspaces? | 14:49 |
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| kanzure | hello darkcontrast | 14:50 |
| darkcontrast | hey :) | 14:50 |
| kanzure | fyi darkcontrast runs austinhackerspace.org | 14:50 |
| darkcontrast | figured i was more or less taking a break at work anyway :) | 14:50 |
| ybit | hi darkcontrast | 14:52 |
| darkcontrast | hey all | 14:52 |
| ybit | the name hackerspace isn't terrible, it's just that the terme is kind of cliche now | 14:52 |
| ybit | s/terme/term | 14:53 |
| kanzure | yeah i'm starting to think that most hackerspace people aren't aware of open source hardware | 14:53 |
| ybit | certainly | 14:54 |
| kanzure | i didn't know this | 14:54 |
| kanzure | i thought they were all in on it | 14:54 |
| ybit | i don't know about most, but there are going to be some whom it is new to | 14:54 |
| kanzure | you're dropping words again ybit | 14:55 |
| kanzure | oh wait | 14:55 |
| kanzure | nope, not this time | 14:55 |
| ybit | yay | 14:55 |
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| ybit | hi zancas | 14:56 |
| ybit | my immediate todo: finish cutting down trees, start building a simple cnc router, multimachine, and setup some site to log progress to | 14:57 |
| ybit | multimachine isn't replicable, but it's certainly cheap to build (for me), and can help certainly help (lathe, mill, and drill press all-in-one, yes please) | 14:58 |
| ybit | on that note, afk | 14:58 |
| kanzure | i think you should focus on open source hardware too, ybit | 14:58 |
| kanzure | none of this unrepeatable crap | 14:58 |
| darkcontrast | yeah i thought most "hacker spaces" or whatever were pretty big on OSH, at least as far as giving soldering classes and whatnot | 15:01 |
| darkcontrast | the only reason austinhackerspace domain is around is i registered it after talking to the hacker space guys at defcon a couple years back | 15:01 |
| zancas | howdy | 15:05 |
| kanzure | darkcontrast: er, i wouldn't use soldering as an example | 15:07 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_hardware | 15:07 |
| kanzure | "Open source hardware is hardware that is designed and offered in the same manner as free and open source software (FOSS). Open source hardware is part of the open source culture and applies the open source concept to hardware. The term usually means that information about the hardware is open to all. This would include the hardware design (i.e.schematics, bill of materials and PCB layout data), as well as a FOSS approach to the software that drives the hardware." | 15:08 |
| ybit | http://www.defcon.org/images/defcon-main/maze.jpg :: phreaknic vids-> http://phreaknic.info/pn13/ | 15:08 |
| ybit | kanzure, agreed, i probably should focus on osh | 15:08 |
| ybit | and ignore multimachine, but we'll see which gets uo going first | 15:09 |
| ybit | s/uo/us | 15:09 |
| * ybit out | 15:09 | |
| bkero | I can has slashdot :D | 15:10 |
| darkcontrast | kanzure: just meaning that hardware isn't entirely foreign to hacker spaces | 15:10 |
| kanzure | oh, for sure | 15:11 |
| darkcontrast | so were you guys serious about bringing/building a gene sequencer? | 15:12 |
| kanzure | i don't have one yet | 15:12 |
| kanzure | but yeah, les and i were thinking about that back last january | 15:13 |
| kanzure | he seemed ok with the idea | 15:13 |
| kanzure | er actually i think we were talking about a synthesizer | 15:13 |
| kanzure | not a sequencer | 15:13 |
| darkcontrast | ah, that makes more sense :) | 15:16 |
| darkcontrast | i had heard it third-hand from matt or someone | 15:16 |
| kanzure | jason was the one who said something, but he's not really bio-aware so sequencing/synthesis is still mixed up in his head | 15:16 |
| kanzure | :p | 15:17 |
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| darkcontrast | so synthesizing in 2010, sequencing in 2011? :) | 15:21 |
| kanzure | hi andres__ | 15:23 |
| kanzure | fenn: are you around? | 15:23 |
| andres__ | hey bryan | 15:23 |
| kanzure | darkcontrast: have you seen the skdb videos? | 15:23 |
| kanzure | ybit: you there? | 15:23 |
| darkcontrast | kanzure: have not, but i looked at the site and it sounds really cool | 15:24 |
| kanzure | andres__: i fixed octopart.py a bit | 15:24 |
| andres__ | what did you change? | 15:24 |
| kanzure | attribute names and whether or not filters and rangedfilters are present if there are no values | 15:25 |
| andres__ | i'm starting to think about v3 of the api... | 15:25 |
| kanzure | one of the problems i'm having is that there's no units information | 15:25 |
| kanzure | in skdb we have units.py and a Unit class | 15:25 |
| kanzure | Unit("5m") and such | 15:26 |
| andres__ | there's units information but it's included in the search results | 15:26 |
| kanzure | yeah that's not cool | 15:26 |
| kanzure | :p | 15:26 |
| kanzure | so there's an attribute named "length", and then some random number given in "values" | 15:26 |
| andres__ | every attribute has units associated with it so when you get a part, you know the units of the specs. | 15:26 |
| kanzure | (in the parts/search results) | 15:26 |
| kanzure | oh? maybe i was looking in the wrong place | 15:26 |
| kanzure | this is what i see: http://pastebin.com/f15623d69 | 15:27 |
| andres__ | "length" is a PartAttribute object with displayname "Length" | 15:27 |
| kanzure | for instance see line 13 | 15:27 |
| kanzure | # | 15:27 |
| kanzure | size_length [{'uncertainty_minus': None, 'value': 0.0044958000000000003, 'uncertainty_plus': None}] | 15:27 |
| andres__ | where did that come from? | 15:27 |
| Trooem | so ah who came up with this SKDB idea? | 15:27 |
| kanzure | this could be 0.0044m, or 0.4m, or 0.4km | 15:27 |
| kanzure | Trooem: fenn and me | 15:28 |
| Trooem | cool | 15:28 |
| kanzure | but lots of people have thought about it before | 15:28 |
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| Trooem | nice | 15:28 |
| kanzure | andres__: this was generated by running "python octopart.py resistor" (so it's searching for "resistor") | 15:28 |
| Trooem | hopefully we can monetize it efficiently as well | 15:28 |
| andres__ | here's a search for "resistor"http://octopart.com/api/v2/parts/search?q=resistor&limit=1&pretty_print=1 | 15:28 |
| kanzure | oh i see, the units are in the 'attribute' part of the dictionary | 15:29 |
| kanzure | i didn't see that earlier | 15:29 |
| kanzure | great | 15:29 |
| andres__ | at the bottom is a list of specs, each spec is an object with attributes "attribute" and a "values" | 15:29 |
| andres__ | all values are in SI units | 15:30 |
| kanzure | hm | 15:30 |
| kanzure | so are you guys using a Part class under the hood? | 15:30 |
| kanzure | i heard from a beardie (a web page somewhere) that you're pythonistas | 15:30 |
| andres__ | yeah - mostly python. it's web programming though so we use a lot of other languages too. | 15:31 |
| kanzure | the reason i ask is because if you already have implemented JSON->python object, that would save me some time | 15:31 |
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| kanzure | simplejson.loads() just returns lists and dictionaries | 15:31 |
| kanzure | instead of, say, a "part" object (we do this in SKDB often with YAML) | 15:31 |
| andres__ | unfortunately, we don't have JSON->python implemented because our code deals natively with python objects. We just have python->JSON. | 15:32 |
| kanzure | heh okay | 15:32 |
| andres__ | anyways - take notes on the things you find frustrating so i can fix them for v3 | 15:33 |
| kanzure | for sure | 15:33 |
| andres__ | i'll probably add a schema controller so you can metadata about PartAttributes without doing a part search | 15:34 |
| kanzure | fenn was wondering how you originally got data when octopart was starting | 15:35 |
| kanzure | but he seems to be sleeping | 15:35 |
| andres__ | we wrote a crawler and parsed html | 15:36 |
| kanzure | so instead, i was thinking i'd explain details on how a part ordering system could be implemented without cooperative suppliers (which it sounds like you have though) | 15:36 |
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| andres__ | if a supplier isn't cooperating it's difficult to maintain the code | 15:37 |
| kanzure | true | 15:37 |
| kanzure | have you seen zotero? | 15:37 |
| andres__ | no - what's that? | 15:37 |
| kanzure | it's a firefox extension for scraping metadata from webpages that contain an abstract and link to a PDF of a scientific paper | 15:38 |
| kanzure | it's written in javascript. what they have is a community of volunteers updating each of the scrapers for each of the sites | 15:38 |
| kanzure | specifically i'm thinking of this model for order forms | 15:38 |
| andres__ | you still have to normalize parts across distributors - or were you thinking of starting with part lists from each distributor? | 15:41 |
| kanzure | yes i was thinking we'd already have the dataset from them | 15:41 |
| kanzure | it's easier to get a catalog than it is to get them to implement some fancy-dancy ordering system | 15:41 |
| kanzure | (not sure i want to touch EDIC) | 15:41 |
| andres__ | in the form of a customer part list? | 15:41 |
| kanzure | yes, let's say sparkfun lists product 51245 in octopart.com | 15:42 |
| kanzure | then this script would be able to order part 51245 from sparkfun using their ordering form they presently have | 15:42 |
| kanzure | in this scenario we're assuming that you have somehow acquired into octopart.com that sparkfun has a part with id=51245 of course | 15:43 |
| andres__ | that would work... except if a distributor's order form requires their primary key then it's more difficult. | 15:43 |
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| kanzure | yeah if they call things differently on the web than in the data they give you, sure | 15:43 |
| kanzure | that would be annoying :( | 15:43 |
| andres__ | right now we're not storing distributor's primary keys... you should be able to map a distributor sku to a primary key by querying their website though. | 15:44 |
| kanzure | sku? | 15:44 |
| kanzure | right | 15:44 |
| andres__ | supplier part number | 15:44 |
| kanzure | the reason why we want this for SKDB is that if we have a BOM, | 15:45 |
| kanzure | it would be amazingly awesome to automagically go order all 30 parts from 3 different suppliers or something | 15:45 |
| kanzure | or in the more extreme cases where you have more than 5 suppliers | 15:45 |
| kanzure | and octopart is great because it can identify which supplier has what :) | 15:46 |
| kanzure | s/has/sells/ | 15:46 |
| andres__ | i think it would be good - if there's demand then we might be able to get primary keys from distributors. | 15:46 |
| kanzure | recently someone on reddit cought on and got all gitty | 15:47 |
| kanzure | http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/afpip/its_like_aptget_for_hardware/ | 15:47 |
| kanzure | (fwork's comment) | 15:47 |
| andres__ | yeah - that would be cool. is someone working on it? | 15:50 |
| kanzure | i am | 15:50 |
| andres__ | how far along are you? | 15:50 |
| kanzure | i have the nitty-gritty details down (like actual ordering, HTTP requests, blah blah blah) | 15:51 |
| kanzure | but i don't have a good idea on a framework for this | 15:51 |
| kanzure | maybe it would be best if this isn't all code, but rather settings, so that others can add in new suppliers in the future? | 15:51 |
| kanzure | etc. | 15:51 |
| andres__ | i see... yeah that's probably the best way to do it. | 15:51 |
| kanzure | so a file format for specifying how to auto-order from a website? "order form page: order form page form attributes/variables: " | 15:53 |
| andres__ | you could turn it into a webapp - someone uploads a part list -> use octopart to turn the part list into individual parts -> figure out optimum order -> use your backend to purchase | 15:53 |
| kanzure | :) | 15:53 |
| kanzure | in my experience parts lists aren't that long, so it would probably just be copy+paste into a giant box | 15:53 |
| andres__ | or import from skdb | 15:53 |
| andres__ | you'll need to manage user logins for each website too | 15:54 |
| kanzure | do you have supplier profiles in octopart? | 15:54 |
| andres__ | not really... it's something we've been meaning to do for a while | 15:54 |
| kanzure | by profile i mean at least "name" and "url to main website" | 15:55 |
| kanzure | ooh | 15:55 |
| kanzure | if octopart prices are correct that would help out a lot too | 15:55 |
| kanzure | because that's an instant price quote, plus give them a "it will be this much or lower, never higher" guarantee deal | 15:55 |
| andres__ | that we have - suppliers are "Brand" objects: http://octopart.com/api/documentation#response_objects | 15:55 |
| kanzure | so i guess this backend will run off of a cronjob | 15:56 |
| andres__ | octopart prices are as accurate as the datafeed which is typically <1 day old. | 15:56 |
| kanzure | oh, i wasn't expecting that | 15:56 |
| kanzure | it sounded like accountants were emailing you .xls files every once in a blue moon | 15:56 |
| andres__ | we get daily datafeeds from most distributors | 15:57 |
| kanzure | that's awesome. :) | 15:57 |
| kanzure | there's an skdb web app in the works, basically thingiverse crossed with instructables and the debian package repository | 15:59 |
| kanzure | there's a "make" button next to each hardware project (package) | 15:59 |
| kanzure | and a "buy" button which would be routed into this | 15:59 |
| andres__ | that's pretty cool. what does make do? | 15:59 |
| kanzure | instruction generation | 15:59 |
| andres__ | sweet | 15:59 |
| kanzure | in some cases a user will have CNC machines, so gcode will be generated for the machines | 15:59 |
| kanzure | instructables has terrible quality control.. i figure automatic instruction generation (think military-grade?) will do wonders | 16:00 |
| andres__ | do you have any projects on instructables? | 16:01 |
| kanzure | no | 16:01 |
| kanzure | genehacker: don't you have a few? | 16:01 |
| kanzure | whenever a user doesn't want to build a part, that's called an "out"- and they want to just buy a part | 16:01 |
| kanzure | if they want to build an airplane, building their screws from scratch might not seem appealing to them | 16:01 |
| kanzure | so they'd probably want to "buy" parts that are a certain distance away from the main components of an airplane | 16:02 |
| kanzure | not everyone wants to re-engineer the big bang :) | 16:02 |
| JayDugger | Step 0 for all skdb packages: First, make an electron. | 16:04 |
| QuantumG | PeterDiamandis | 16:12 |
| QuantumG | 16:12 | |
| QuantumG | 5 different teams coming up with 10+ X PRIZEs and 10+ X-Challenges in the Brain Computer Interface realm... Brain Enhancement coming soon! | 16:12 |
| andres__ | hey bryan - i need to get going | 16:16 |
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| kanzure | QuantumG: pete estep was trying to do that with "the innerspace foundation" | 16:40 |
| ybit | kanzure: i'm here now, went afk to get some lunch and to hand in some irs forms for the hackerspace | 16:47 |
| ybit | kanzure: did you need anything? | 16:47 |
| ybit | has mitch contacted you? | 16:47 |
| kanzure | no mitch did not | 16:47 |
| kanzure | andres did though | 16:47 |
| ybit | and? | 16:48 |
| kanzure | did you .. read it? | 16:48 |
| kanzure | i was hoping you'd be here to talk | 16:48 |
| ybit | oh i see | 16:48 |
| QuantumG | A polycrystalline GaFeO3 sample was prepared using a conventional solid-state reaction method. | 17:04 |
| QuantumG | Stoichiometric mixtures of Ga2O3 and Fe2O3 with purity higher than 99.9% were mixed, grounded, pre-calcinated at 1173K and then 1323K for 12 h, respectively. | 17:04 |
| QuantumG | Finally, it was sintered at 1493K for 12 h. | 17:04 |
| QuantumG | .. anyone know what kinda equipment you need for that? | 17:04 |
| QuantumG | http://www.crystec.com/kllsinte.htm looks painful :) | 17:07 |
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| kanzure | hello thesnark | 17:24 |
| thesnark | hello kanzure | 17:25 |
| ybit | grr | 17:25 |
| ybit | i have to come up with a name for this organization -_- | 17:25 |
| ybit | humcie foundation | 17:25 |
| ybit | sounds good enough for me | 17:25 |
| ybit | if someone in here grabs that domain name i will slap you with a trout on irc | 17:26 |
| thesnark | oh wut, better get that domain before ybit | 17:27 |
| ybit | :P | 17:27 |
| thesnark | =D | 17:27 |
| ybit | if you are in germany, i think co.de is still available | 17:28 |
| thesnark | O_O WHAT | 17:28 |
| kanzure | ybit: for what organization? | 17:28 |
| ybit | the hackerspace here | 17:28 |
| * kanzure rolls his eyes | 17:28 | |
| ybit | it's not my fault, the irs ask for it | 17:29 |
| ybit | asks | 17:29 |
| kanzure | so.. you're officially going to be doing your own thing? | 17:29 |
| ybit | yep | 17:29 |
| kanzure | gee thanks | 17:30 |
| QuantumG | http://www.eplceramics.com/microwave_furnace_1.3.html | 17:30 |
| ybit | financially, it's better if i stay here | 17:30 |
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| nmz787 | howdy | 17:34 |
| drazak | Hey nathan | 17:34 |
| kanzure | hello | 17:34 |
| nmz787 | whats going on here? | 17:34 |
| drazak | not a whole lot, sorry I can't give you any HL-1 cells | 17:35 |
| nmz787 | yeah thats fine, i was lookin at the paper published when they developed them | 17:36 |
| drazak | if you email claycomb, call you have to do is pay for the shipping (and the media, and the additives... and the fibronectin if you don't have any, and posibly the gelatin) | 17:36 |
| nmz787 | to see if i could make the media cheaper | 17:36 |
| drazak | well, you'd have to buy some of his media, then experiemnt, which is expensive | 17:36 |
| nmz787 | yeah, my prof is still interested, she told me to write a paper on the media and culturing them for the next assignment due | 17:36 |
| drazak | but most of the stuff in there is tweaked so they'll keep beating | 17:36 |
| drazak | haha, nice | 17:37 |
| drazak | I live in a world without papers | 17:37 |
| nmz787 | the PNAS paper showed the media formulation, i believe | 17:37 |
| nmz787 | aww | 17:37 |
| nmz787 | its a free one | 17:37 |
| nmz787 | http://www.pnas.org/content/95/6/2979.full | 17:37 |
| drazak | I meant without having to write them | 17:38 |
| nmz787 | ooo | 17:38 |
| nmz787 | lol | 17:38 |
| drazak | I have that paper, and a bunch of others where they use them | 17:38 |
| nmz787 | well, when you're smart, intelligent smart, not just memorize and puke up facts smart... profs realize your worth, and let you slide on deadlines and stuff... the good profs at least | 17:39 |
| drazak | I'm a highschool student, I just work in a lab | 17:39 |
| nmz787 | what do you do there? | 17:39 |
| drazak | although I have the winter off, due to bowling, I bowl basically every day | 17:39 |
| nmz787 | i wish i had that opportunity when i was that young | 17:39 |
| drazak | run experiments for the prof, run a few of my own | 17:40 |
| nmz787 | how did you get that gig? | 17:40 |
| drazak | I'm going to have a project for the summer, probably | 17:40 |
| drazak | I just emailed around | 17:40 |
| nmz787 | must have excellent grades for trustability, being only in HS | 17:40 |
| drazak | hahahaha | 17:40 |
| drazak | my grades are shit | 17:40 |
| nmz787 | lol | 17:40 |
| nmz787 | welcome to the club then | 17:40 |
| drazak | I proved my worth by being to describe sever lab practices to him at better than phd level, according to him | 17:41 |
| drazak | several | 17:41 |
| nmz787 | very good | 17:41 |
| nmz787 | so many ppl here at RIT are just here to get a degree and go get a job | 17:41 |
| kanzure | zach smith on open source manufacturing and reprap http://www.archive.org/details/NYLUG_2007_07_11_General_Meeting | 17:41 |
| kanzure | somehow i doubt zach smith is into open source manufacturing | 17:42 |
| nmz787 | i had a fight with a girl my first year ( i took 2 years after i was 18 to finally come to college) | 17:42 |
| kanzure | i mean, er, the community | 17:42 |
| drazak | heh | 17:42 |
| nmz787 | because i was asking too many questions about the lab protocol our group came up with | 17:42 |
| drazak | nice | 17:43 |
| nmz787 | it failed in the end too | 17:43 |
| nmz787 | giving us no results | 17:43 |
| drazak | some people are stubborn | 17:43 |
| drazak | I wonder if he's used my EMSA protocal yet | 17:43 |
| nmz787 | but, i at least learned one way to get bad results, whereas that girl was probably just pissed | 17:43 |
| drazak | he used to do EMSA radioactively, but I wrote an etbr/sybrgreen protocol | 17:43 |
| nmz787 | whats emsa | 17:44 |
| drazak | electrophoretic mobility shift assay | 17:44 |
| drazak | it's judging whether a certain protein bonded a piece of dna | 17:44 |
| nmz787 | ooo | 17:44 |
| nmz787 | wikipediad it | 17:45 |
| kanzure | Techkriti'10 open hardware project? | 17:45 |
| drazak | radioactive is more sensitive, but etbr/sybrgreen is pretty decent too | 17:45 |
| kanzure | "openEyes, open-source open-hardware toolkit for low-cost real-time eye | 17:46 |
| kanzure | tracking" | 17:46 |
| nmz787 | were you guys talking about something completely different b4 i joined, or am i only seeing drazak and kanzures messages? | 17:47 |
| kanzure | hm wonder why ycombinator peeps are finding out about open source manufacturing http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1038921 | 17:47 |
| kanzure | nmz787: i'm just pasting some links. please ignore me. | 17:47 |
| nmz787 | ok | 17:48 |
| nmz787 | is this thing logged? | 17:48 |
| thesnark | haha | 17:48 |
| thesnark | Assume it is :-) | 17:49 |
| thesnark | public channel = probably logged | 17:49 |
| drazak | not by me :P | 17:49 |
| nmz787 | well, too bad, i was just about to discuss a great new idea that could easily be open sourced pending the proper discussion | 17:49 |
| nmz787 | but | 17:49 |
| nmz787 | i guess i'll just keep it to myself now, maybe keep it as a trade secret | 17:49 |
| thesnark | hm, why would it matter if it's logged? | 17:50 |
| nmz787 | lol | 17:50 |
| thesnark | even if you did have an idea like that? | 17:50 |
| thesnark | anyway ideas will come with or without any individuals participation :-) | 17:50 |
| nmz787 | lol | 17:50 |
| nmz787 | i dunno | 17:50 |
| nmz787 | just dont wanna say anything too outrageous i guess | 17:51 |
| thesnark | my penis is green | 17:51 |
| nmz787 | why is it that ubuntu releases AMD64 ISOs... do they totally work if you have an intel proc??? | 17:51 |
| thesnark | there | 17:51 |
| nmz787 | better get that checked out | 17:51 |
| nmz787 | this damn live cd is taking like 5 minutes to boot, and now is just a black screen | 17:52 |
| thesnark | AMD64 is a kind of architecture | 17:52 |
| nmz787 | so is that what the XEON uses? | 17:52 |
| thesnark | haha I don't know, look it up | 17:52 |
| thesnark | should be on the xeon's wiki page | 17:52 |
| nmz787 | i thought kanzure would tell me | 17:52 |
| nmz787 | i guess i should do a cd verification | 17:53 |
| nmz787 | god, this sucks | 17:53 |
| kanzure | anyone has some ideas? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2021063/export-from-opencascade-import-into-openscenegraph | 17:53 |
| drazak | nmz787: any 64 bit processor is amd64 | 17:56 |
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| kanzure | hello rejon | 17:58 |
| kanzure | join #sharism | 17:58 |
| kanzure | er | 17:58 |
| kanzure | fail :( | 17:58 |
| ybit | hah | 17:58 |
| ybit | you'll have to share something with rejob in another channel now :P | 17:59 |
| ybit | rejon * | 17:59 |
| rejon | hi | 17:59 |
| ybit | hello | 17:59 |
| kanzure | rejon: were those links interesting? | 18:00 |
| rejon | yes | 18:01 |
| rejon | totally | 18:01 |
| rejon | some of them i know | 18:01 |
| rejon | but good stuff all around | 18:01 |
| kanzure | yeah it's kind of hit and miss, dunno what some people know and what they don't know | 18:01 |
| rejon | yes, true | 18:03 |
| rejon | I'm most interested in copyleft hardware approach | 18:03 |
| kanzure | are you familiar with apt-get | 18:03 |
| nmz787 | yes | 18:04 |
| kanzure | nmz787: well, i'm trying to explain to rejon that skdb is apt-get for open source hardware / copyleft hardware | 18:05 |
| kanzure | except not just digital :) | 18:05 |
| nmz787 | except with nothing in the repo! and you can] | 18:05 |
| kanzure | hm? | 18:05 |
| nmz787 | cant apt-get skdb | 18:05 |
| kanzure | there's a few things in the repo | 18:05 |
| kanzure | true that, but we packaged pythonocc into a .deb | 18:05 |
| thesnark | so $5k total | 18:06 |
| thesnark | shit | 18:06 |
| kanzure | that might be doable :) | 18:06 |
| kanzure | as long as you don't say $100M or something stupid like that | 18:06 |
| thesnark | hahah | 18:06 |
| nmz787 | $5k for what? | 18:07 |
| thesnark | nothing.... | 18:07 |
| thesnark | haha | 18:07 |
| kanzure | nmz787: skdb has funding :) | 18:07 |
| nmz787 | very nice | 18:07 |
| rejon | http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb | 18:07 |
| * kanzure nods | 18:07 | |
| rejon | aha | 18:07 |
| rejon | cool | 18:08 |
| kanzure | it makes more sense if you've used apt-get before | 18:08 |
| nmz787 | btw i have access (even to modify) a makerbot | 18:08 |
| kanzure | nmz787: makerbot should be put into an skdb package for sure | 18:08 |
| kanzure | i'm getting one soon, and i'll be throwing it into a cubespawn cube | 18:08 |
| nmz787 | do you know what VLC is rejon? | 18:08 |
| kanzure | it's a "standardized form factor" for open hardware projects | 18:08 |
| rejon | yes | 18:08 |
| kanzure | so if we can stuff a makerbot into it and demonstrate it.. :) | 18:08 |
| nmz787 | so if you start an ubuntu live cd | 18:08 |
| nmz787 | you know what ubuntu is right? | 18:09 |
| * thesnark laughs hard | 18:09 | |
| kanzure | nmz787: vlc media player? | 18:09 |
| nmz787 | yes | 18:09 |
| nmz787 | ok so ubuntu is a easy to use linux operating system distribution, available online to download for free | 18:10 |
| nmz787 | if you boot up your linux CD, and then want to play MP3s or some video you have or something | 18:10 |
| nmz787 | VLC works wonders | 18:10 |
| nmz787 | so ubuntu doesn't ship with VLC installed by default | 18:11 |
| kanzure | why are you telling rejon about this? | 18:11 |
| nmz787 | so all you have to do to install it is open a command terminal, and type "sudo apt-get install vlc" | 18:11 |
| nmz787 | it downloads VLC and any programs it depends on, sets it all up, and you're ready to use VLC | 18:11 |
| nmz787 | you said you were trying to explain how to use apt-get | 18:12 |
| kanzure | no | 18:12 |
| kanzure | but thanks anyway | 18:12 |
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| rejon | huh | 18:13 |
| drazak | explaining how skdb is like apt-get | 18:14 |
| nmz787 | well skdb wants to be that easy, instead of setting up some useful program like VLC with one line of code... you use it to print some usefull tool with your makerbot or 3D printer with one line | 18:15 |
| nmz787 | so instead of apt-get install VLC.... you would say something like skdb-get print compactDiscJewelCase | 18:15 |
| kanzure | skdb-get build laser-cannon :) | 18:15 |
| nmz787 | and bam, your 3D printer starts printing something | 18:15 |
| nmz787 | lol | 18:15 |
| nmz787 | now we need a bit more infrastructure than a maker bot IMO | 18:16 |
| nmz787 | for that | 18:16 |
| kanzure | yes | 18:16 |
| kanzure | that's the plan | 18:16 |
| kanzure | although if you have a makerbot laying around, | 18:17 |
| kanzure | i've been meaning to hook skdb up to it | 18:17 |
| kanzure | i think through replicatorg, is it? | 18:17 |
| nmz787 | i dont know much about the thing | 18:18 |
| nmz787 | when i heard what its manufacturing tolerances were | 18:18 |
| nmz787 | i jsut decided it was too shitty for microscale stuff and began designing my own | 18:19 |
| nmz787 | do you know of any microfluidic shape cookbooks? | 18:19 |
| nmz787 | i hope to have a cheap device built, and maybe a kit available sometime soon for microfluidic prototyping | 18:19 |
| nmz787 | gonna do prototyping of the device with a mini CNC mill, but then move to using commodity hardware with a custom electronic backend | 18:20 |
| nmz787 | see ya | 18:37 |
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| JayDugger | Ah, kanzure, so did you see a Cubespawn first-hand? | 19:00 |
| * kanzure nods | 19:01 | |
| kanzure | dinner :) homecooked meal. yummy. | 19:01 |
| JayDugger | Cubespawn cooked you a dinner? | 19:02 |
| JayDugger | What did you think? | 19:03 |
| ybit | what? | 19:30 |
| ybit | details please | 19:31 |
| JayDugger | I wondered what kanzure thought of the Cubespawn he saw. | 19:37 |
| kanzure | i meant to imply that i was going to dinner | 19:38 |
| kanzure | the cubespawn looked fine to me | 19:38 |
| JayDugger | I apologize for interrupting your meal. | 19:39 |
| JayDugger | Not vaporware, or overly ramshackle? | 19:41 |
| kanzure | does anyone know MTK? | 19:44 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: not vaporware for sure. | 19:44 |
| kanzure | especially since i have his money.. | 19:45 |
| JayDugger | Good. MTK? | 19:45 |
| kanzure | apparently they sell kits to shanzhai production peeps | 19:55 |
| genehacker | CNC milling microfluidics? | 20:01 |
| genehacker | sounds like you're trying to make fluidics | 20:01 |
| kanzure | http://sharism.cc/ | 20:01 |
| kanzure | "“Sharism at Work” is a Hong Kong based startup building copyleft consumer electronics." | 20:02 |
| genehacker | kits for shanzhai, sounds awesome | 20:02 |
| kanzure | MTK = Marvell Technology Group | 20:03 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvell_Technology_Group | 20:03 |
| kanzure | hrm | 20:03 |
| kanzure | that doesn't look right | 20:03 |
| kanzure | Taipei? | 20:05 |
| kanzure | oh might be MediaTek | 20:05 |
| kanzure | stalk: atommann1981@hotmail.com | 20:11 |
| JayDugger | Ah. Thanks. | 20:13 |
| Trooem | ooooooooo nice | 20:25 |
| Trooem | chinese sure like sweet and sour... hmm | 20:32 |
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| genehacker | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18359-how-to-make-a-liquid-invisibility-cloak.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news | 21:01 |
| genehacker | liquid metamaterials | 21:02 |
| kanzure | looks like MTK only does cell phones. that's boring. | 21:05 |
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| kanzure | "The most important scarcity is the absence of a perspective of abundance." | 22:33 |
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