2010-01-16.log

--- Day changed Sat Jan 16 2010
MrClifHey, I sent you mail.00:02
kanzuregasp00:04
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fenni'm going to have to register with thingiverse just to say that cathal's lathe isn't all that good06:27
fennwow the bandwidth @ siai house is amazing06:48
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kanzurefenn: siai house is what?09:05
flamthttp://freshmeat.net/projects/telepathic-critterdrug10:05
kanzurehttp://heybryan.org/books/longevity/10:29
kanzureer10:29
kanzurehttp://heybryan.org/books/papers/longevity/10:29
kanzurehttp://heybryan.org/books/papers/stem-cells/10:29
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kanzurehello thesnark 10:33
kanzurejust sent out an email to youy10:33
kanzure*you10:33
thesnarkhello kanzure10:33
thesnarkyeah saw that10:33
kanzurei also threw up a nootropics page on the site10:34
kanzurebut it's really just my notes: http://heybryan.org/leveraging-nootropics.html10:35
kanzurei'm not convinced that imminst.org is a good source of information on noots10:35
kanzurebut, some information is useful, like mechanisms of action and exploring whether or not it's a legit target for gene therapy or some other modifications10:35
thesnarkcompletely unrelated question: How much do you make on average from the ads on your site?10:36
thesnarkI mean, is it worth having them?10:36
kanzurei make on average $5 every 4 months10:37
kanzureand no, it's not worth it :(10:37
thesnarkhaha10:37
kanzureare you subscribed to this mailing list yet? http://groups.google.com/group/diytranshumanist10:37
thesnarkI am now10:38
kanzureand what about http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing and http://groups.google.com/group/diybio10:38
thesnarkah my time is really pretty limited, I'll probably just stick with diytranshumanist10:39
kanzureok10:40
ybitthesnark: i would recommend signing up to openmanufacturing and diybio, that's where the conversations take place, diyh+ has little traffic currently11:04
* thesnark signs up for digests11:05
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ybitfirefox is slow at 237 tabs for me11:12
ybitthe computer is running just fine though11:12
wrldpc2they're broadcasting the foresight 2010 conference @http://www.techzulu.com/live.html later this morning I think.11:12
ybitoooh, aaah11:16
ybitthe video from the h+ conf sucks ftr11:17
ybitweren't they recording in hd?11:17
ybitlike that's going to make the video instantly better, but i thought they had a better setup than what is available11:17
fennok i'm at foresight conference.. what should i do :P11:49
* fenn sips some tea11:50
ybitat the foresight conference, wondering what to do? talk on irc of course :)11:56
ybitwhat were you doing on the east coast?11:56
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flamthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMCG__YXxVk12:00
flamttelepathic-critterdrug 300x speed12:00
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ybitso far, foresight is more technical than h+ summit and i like it12:15
ybitit reminds me of the basic bio overview on the second day of h+s12:17
thesnarkybit is there a video camera recording?12:18
thesnarkor even better: a stream?12:19
thesnarka _live_ stream12:19
ybit11:12 < wrldpc2> they're broadcasting the foresight 2010 conference @http://www.techzulu.com/live.html later this morning I think.12:19
* thesnark cheers12:19
thesnarksorry, I just kind of glance at IRC once every 20/30 minutes so I miss messages sometimes12:20
wrldpc2no offense to techzulu but can they please get a youtube/vimeo account?12:20
wrldpc2Their video archiving op sucks.  We had to go in and stitch together Bryan & Ben's presentation at H+Sum.12:21
thesnarkugh terrible hum12:22
wrldpc2That too.12:22
ybitnp thesnark, i do the same but usually read everything i missed :)12:22
wrldpc2what's the name of the streaming service that the bald guy with glasses who updates on related Singularium?12:23
wrldpc2he does a show every sunday called Sunday Update or something.12:23
wrldpc2That service is much more appropriately tailored to this kind of broadcast.12:23
wrldpc2Stickam is good for group video conferencing but if you're in a one way communicative transaction (source->audience) it is a bloated mash-up of unnecessary redundancies, etc.12:24
ybitwrldpc2: it's justin <lastname i don't recall> from the immortality institute12:27
ybitwrldpc2: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/sunday-evening-update12:28
ybithaven't looked there in awhile12:29
ybitif you see something interesting let me know :)12:29
wrldpc2Thank you!12:29
wrldpc2Yes ustream is the site.12:29
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ybiti recognize some of the guys at the foresight conf12:30
ybite.g. the largest head on-screen right now12:30
ybitthe largest.. with hair12:31
ybitdon't know his name, but he was at the h+ summit12:31
wrldpc2Is that Huffman with the hat?12:32
ybiti don't think so12:33
fennthe guy with the huge afro is from harvey mudd college, i forget his name, not sure if he was at h+12:38
fenni already know all this stuff :(12:41
ybit"when you die, will you trend"12:47
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ybittechzulu is annoying12:56
ybiti have to register with stickam before being able to chat below the video12:56
ybitbut they don't tell you this12:56
ybitand you wonder why you aren't able to login with your with techzulu account12:56
ybit(minus second instance of 'with')12:57
ybitfenn: you want to save me some time and just tell me which talks to view later? :)12:57
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ybithttp://stickam.com/techzulu works better for me than the techzulu site13:02
ybithrm, the techzulu site works just fine in google chrome13:07
ybithttp://ccsl.mae.cornell.edu/eureqa is what is being talked about now13:11
ybitwhich is what was pasted in the past couple of days13:12
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ybitquestions for hod lipson, anyone?13:18
ybitthey are taking questions from the online crowd and nobody's aske13:19
genehackerhere?13:19
genehacker*where?13:19
genehackerWHY ISN'T FAB @HOME V2 OUT YET?13:20
ybithttp://www.techzulu.com/live.html13:20
ybithttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/health/22brain.html?_r=4&pagewanted=2&ref=science :: building a search engine for the brain, step by step13:22
genehackeryou mind asking hod why he hasn't put the files for his 3d printed truss crawling robot on thingiverse yet?13:22
genehackeror when fab@home v2 comes out13:22
genehackerI'm packing for austin right now13:23
ybiti would love to ask, but he wasn't talking about that13:27
kanzureybit: use opera instead of firefox for tabbing :)13:34
kanzurefenn: talk with freitas, merkle, drexler, lipson13:35
ybitopera, the closed source browser, grr13:39
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ybiti've been using firefox for tabs and google chrome if ff fails13:40
Utopiahybit: if open questions are still going on, maybe asking if they plan to do the equivalent of project polymath and collaborative work since he said“It’s machine teaching, rather than machine learning.” (thus could follow maybe wikipedia/polytmath) paths13:40
ybitUtopiah: questions are up, they are on their lunch break 13:41
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Utopiahok13:44
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genehackerfenn you mind asking my questions to hod?13:58
genehackerhttp://ccsl.mae.cornell.edu/papers/REMAR09_Hjelle.pdf14:00
ybitthe new speaker is talking about afm tech, nothing new.14:00
ybitany questions for him?14:00
genehackerparticularly why the cad files for his robotically reconfigurable truss aren't on thingiverse14:01
genehackerit was rapid prototyped14:01
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ybitmarket away http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AUofbBjmGBx0ZGc5cDVoZ21fNTJnZzM2Ym1kOQ&hl=en14:46
ybitmerckle is talking14:48
ybitmerkle*14:48
ybitif you want to ask questions, something that doesn't suck (because so far the questions asked from the online audience suck), join and ask or ask me to ask14:51
kanzureprogress on nanoengineer114:54
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ybitwhat about it?15:02
kanzureany?15:08
ybitright, they didn't ask that from the users15:25
ybitthey asked what type of software whether it be open source or not would help.. he said any.. get to it.. duh15:26
ybitapparently wrldpc2 got the girl to ask the question15:29
ybitor she's about to, kanzure 15:29
wrldpc2did someone want to ask gene's question?15:29
wrldpc2it's disruptive, i like it.15:29
ybitgenehacker's question was for hod15:30
ybitno nanoeng1 update15:30
ybitindian food with jata? is that parijata?15:31
ybitconferences are fun for a couple of days, but nothing ever gets done at them execpt for making new contacts 15:36
fennok i am so totally bored and running on 2-3 hours sleep, taking a nap15:42
strageskanzure: are you involved with a hackerspace?15:45
ybitstrages: the new austin hackerspace15:54
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ybitstrages: nice to hear from you, glad you aren't dead15:57
ybitkanzure: what's the word from mitch?15:57
* ybit quits pestering for the day :)15:57
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fennwould someone please watch the foresight talks today and give short summary?16:06
fennmillstein just talked about sanger sequencing, pyro sequencing, and nanopore stuff16:06
fennlipson did all of his usual talks compressed into one, basically the same as his website16:07
fenncustance showed how you could exchange si/ge atoms on an AFM tip, and do vibrational spectroscopy and/or chemical interaction forces to determine an atom's type16:08
fennand merkle just talked about freitas' major papers for the last 30 years16:08
fennmy personal accomplishment for the day was running into a tree on my bike and not getting hurt16:10
fenni sort of wonder if the tree placement was to discourage bicyclists16:11
thesnarkfenn how is cycling in Austin? Is it a viable solution for car-replacement?16:13
fennthesnark: if you live downtown maybe16:14
fenna lot of stuff happens out in the boonies on the north side where corporate megaplexes are16:14
fenncycling is a lot more practical in the bay area because of all the trains16:15
thesnarkhow is the train fare?16:15
thesnarkreasonable?16:16
fenn$3-5 each way16:16
thesnarkew16:16
fennsouth bay to SF is two trains, unless you are going to a particular spot in SF16:16
fenni will have to try that some time16:17
* fenn mumbles self to sleep16:17
thesnarkit would be kinda cool to get a cellular broadband card for a netbook and just kinda hang out around the city while you do work all day16:17
thesnarkbe a nomad16:17
* thesnark mumbles like fenn16:17
bkeroyarrr16:39
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ybitfirst time to hear of the .coop tld16:47
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fennthesnark: that is a nice idea that is now possible with clear/wimax17:17
thesnarkfenn there is wimax service in Austin?17:17
fenni would want a wearable w/HUD and some portable keyboardy thing17:17
thesnarkyour city gets more appealing every day17:17
fennthesnark: yeah as of december17:18
fennheh maybe you can take my room then :P17:18
fennhow do i carry around a netbook without needing a backpack17:19
* thesnark thinks you could probably make HUD glasses for not much money17:19
thesnarkhmmm17:19
fennalready did17:20
thesnarkyou really just need a wearable computer17:20
thesnarkprobably also doable for not too much17:20
* fenn orders a round tuit from mcmaster17:21
thesnarkexcept wearing a transmitter for wimax/cellular broadband is probably not good for you in the long term17:21
fennbah17:21
fennas if having one in your pocket is any better17:21
thesnarkI guess as long as I don't get a brain tumor I'm ok17:21
fenna phone'17:21
fennpro tip: eat vegan organic foods rich in fats and enzymes17:22
thesnarkhm why?17:22
thesnarkI mean17:23
thesnarkwhat about them17:23
fennso as not to get cancer17:23
thesnarkthat keeps me from getting a brain tumor17:23
fennyep17:23
thesnarkno no like what is in those thins17:23
thesnarkthings*17:23
fennit's more like what's not in them17:23
thesnarkI see17:23
fennless pesticide residue and heavy metals17:23
fennalso the enzymes and other "stuff" keeps your immune system working better17:24
thesnarkare these enzymes available in a supplement for the lazy?17:24
fennnot really17:24
thesnarkawww17:24
fennyou can do juicing i guess.. but it's more about the ratio of good vs bad stuff17:25
thesnarkI see17:25
fennalso periodic fasting and yoga or light exercise17:25
fennall this is so basic i hate talking about it17:25
thesnarkwell not many people know this stuff....eg myself17:26
thesnarkbut I mean17:26
thesnarkyoga and fasting17:26
thesnarkare not things I can make the connection with about avoiding cancer17:26
thesnarkwhy do these prevent cancer?17:26
fennyoga = blood flow = oxygenation and immune response17:27
fennfasting is all about removing all the metabolic byproducts that cause damage17:27
fennmany cancer cells work anaerobically so excess oxygen poisons their metabolism17:28
fennor something like that.. i dont really know the details17:28
thesnarkin the midwest exercise is the only thing you can do to keep yourself from going insane17:28
thesnarkso I have that covered17:29
thesnarkat least the exercise part, I may or may not be insane17:29
ybita talk on how to create roadmaps?17:36
ybiti just shed a tear17:36
fennhe didnt actually say what the roadmap was?17:37
ybitno, it's how to go about creating roadmaps17:37
ybitso techzulu streams what stickam streams and then saves the videos for viewing later17:39
ybiti'm starting to not like techzulu17:39
ybitthe cover interesting conferences is the only decent thing i can say about the service, oh, and they are quick to reply to my tweets that they are down17:40
ybit..again17:40
fennok i'm obviously not sleeping so i guess i shall return to the hotel17:40
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fennybit:  wat's the url for live stream?17:42
ybithttp://www.techzulu.com/live.html17:42
fennoh they only do one thing?17:43
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ybitwith lots of ads17:46
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ybitno more streaming of the conf for me, it's depressing17:52
ybitkanzure: you should have asked the receptionist that uses your site to help with her son's schooling why we haven't seen them in #hplusroadmap :)18:27
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kanzureybit: no mitch has not got back with me19:00
kanzurefirst diy gene therapy experiment: colored piss19:07
kanzurehttp://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/energyplus/19:11
kanzurehttp://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/energyplus/openstudio.cfm19:11
kanzurehttp://www.n55.dk/MANUALS/MICRO_DWELLINGS/micro_dwellings.html19:11
ybit2micro dwellings are neat19:25
kanzureybit: his wife asked me to stop calling19:26
kanzureor at least said to stop calling her number :p19:26
kanzurealthough mitch is listed with her number, so whatever19:26
ybit2:P19:37
kanzurehm, maybe colored piss isn't a good idea. maybe i should just sweat minty goodness?19:38
ybit2as long as he responds and sends the files in some reasonable fashion, i'm happy19:38
ybit2i don't know which is stranger19:38
kanzurenobody gets to see the piss :(19:39
ybit2one of my family members could use the minty goodness smelling pee19:39
* bkero drives down to eugene19:41
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ybit2hi genehacker, cyrozap 20:02
ybit2oi thesnark 20:02
thesnarkgood evening ybit20:02
kanzurehello thesnark20:05
thesnarkhey there kanzure20:05
kanzuresweat-smells-like-mint or purple piss?20:05
thesnarkpurple piss. no clue what we're talking about but purple piss20:06
wrldpc2Stickam sucks as a streaming solution.  It's good for group video conferencing but not much else.  They should've used ustream.  I talked to the TechZulu person about the shabbiness of the H+ Summit vid archival effort and they said they gave all the recordings to the "conference leaders" (Alex?)  They don't handle archival.  Everyone should follow the Singularity Summit model in terms of archival and they should use ustream if they in20:06
wrldpc2stream conference proceedings.  Stickam sucks as a streaming solution.20:06
genehackerhello everybody20:06
genehackerwhat'd I miss today?20:06
kanzurethesnark: potential beginner gene therapy projects20:06
thesnarkyeah, purple piss >> sweat-smells-like-mint20:07
kanzurebut nobody will see it :(20:07
thesnarkUNLESS20:07
thesnark;)20:07
kanzurehm20:07
thesnarkimagine the new fetish videos20:07
thesnarkpurple showers20:07
kanzureoh boy.20:07
thesnarkthat is money20:07
kanzureapparently an autosomall recessive gene causes red urine after consumption of asparagus, just need to figure out which acids in particular20:08
wrldpc2That would redefine the Prince song.20:08
thesnarkor you could pee in a cup and have somebody drink it and tell them it's grape juice20:08
kanzurethesnark: maybe i'll just skip that and go straight to shitting gold20:09
thesnarkoh man, you could be the goose that takes the golden shit20:09
thesnarkgeese shit a lot20:09
kanzurejust call me mama goose20:09
thesnarkyou could totally destroy the gold market hahaha20:10
thesnarkoh man, these ideas alone make it all worth it20:11
thesnarkI mean purple piss20:11
* thesnark would pay a lot to pick his urine color20:11
kanzurereally?20:11
genehackermethylene blue20:12
thesnarkyes really20:12
kanzurehuh. and here i was just going to use this to make sure gene therapy worked20:12
kanzurei.e. a simple "hello world" is "does the piss look different?"20:12
thesnarkright20:12
thesnarkbut humanity is so new to this stuff20:12
genehackerbeen there done that20:12
thesnarkI mean if life isn't about having colored piss I'm not sure what possible meaning I could assign to it20:13
* thesnark is only half joking...20:13
kanzurehm20:13
genehackerhow about telling extraterrestrial life about the game?20:13
genehackervia stellar engineering20:13
thesnarkHAHAH20:13
thesnarkYOU LOSE20:14
thesnarkugh I like stupid internet jokes too much20:14
kanzuremammillarinin who the fuck names this shit20:14
thesnarkhahaha20:14
kanzureaha20:14
kanzurehttp://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?sid=1073020:14
thesnarksome pissed of foreigners that had to learn english20:14
* kanzure checks if there's a synthesis pathway20:15
genehackersounds like it's from latin20:15
genehackerMammillarinin: A New Malonylated Betacyanin from Fruits of Mammillaria20:15
genehackerah there we go20:15
kanzureaw, betacyanin not found in reactome.org :(20:16
kanzurehm20:16
genehackerwhat are we trying to make here?20:16
thesnarkgnusha has dna synthesizing stuff then?20:16
kanzurethesnark: what do you mean by "has"20:16
genehackerkanzure you got any clep test books?20:16
thesnarkgnusha is a hackerspace, rigt?20:17
thesnarkright*20:17
kanzureno gnusha is not a hackerspace20:17
thesnarkO_O20:17
thesnark;__;20:17
kanzuregenehacker: yes, http://heybryan.org/books/tests/ i think20:17
thesnarkok well20:17
kanzurethesnark: but yes, a dna synthesizer is planned 20:17
kanzurei don't have one at the moment20:17
thesnarkah20:17
kanzureand i don't know if i want to buy one off of ebay or just build one20:17
genehackersweet20:17
genehackeryour server is broken20:18
kanzurenah the folder just doesn't exist20:18
kanzurecheck http://heybryan.org/books/ for something that sounds like "tests" or "reviews"20:18
kanzurei know it's somewhere20:19
kanzure"Temperature-dependent Expression of Betacyanin Synthesis in Amaranthus Seedlings"20:19
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genehackercolored urine is a bad idea, it will mess up medical tests that use spectrophotometers20:20
kanzurenot if it's rna interference (temporary)20:21
kanzureer, wait20:21
kanzuresorry just pretend i didn't say that20:21
kanzurethere's not many applications of RNAi in this area20:21
genehackerwe don't make betacyanin now do we?20:21
kanzureno :(20:21
genehackerso we can't knock out the genes that suppress making it20:21
kanzurei told you to pretend that i didn't say that 20:21
genehackerRNA lassos are pretty cool20:21
genehackerok20:21
genehackeranyway I think blue skin will sell better20:22
kanzurei'm not trying to sell anything. sigh.20:22
thesnarkmoney makes the world go round20:23
genehackerit will get you better karma then20:23
genehackeron gene sharing websites20:23
genehackerthat as of yet don't exist20:24
kanzure"Our findings suggest that, in suspension-cultured cells of Portulaca, an MJ-mediated signal20:25
kanzuretransduction pathway prominently exists in betacyanin synthesis."20:25
kanzureyay there's a betanidin 5-O-beta-glucosyltransferase (EC 2.4.1).20:27
kanzureinputs: betanidin 5-O-glucoside, uridine 5prime-diphosphate(UDP)-glucose20:30
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fennbrad templeton's talk on robocars was pretty good21:25
fennrobocars.net might be a better way to digest the info21:26
kanzuredoesn't brad always talk about that? (the dood from the eff)21:38
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ybit2so bkero, MrClif, what did you three decide with marcin?22:32
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kanzurehello jvalleroy 22:57
jvalleroyhi22:57
kanzurewhat brings you here? :)22:58
jvalleroyOne of my friends suggested this channel.22:59
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QuantumGwith friends like that...22:59
jvalleroyWe're working on a brain-computer interface so I'm looking to learn more about a variety of subjects.22:59
kanzureah, you must mean michael grube22:59
jvalleroyyep22:59
kanzureeeg isn't much of a bci23:00
jvalleroynot by itself, no23:00
kanzurewell, welcome to the "club"23:02
kanzurehttp://designfiles.org/papers/23:02
kanzurehttp://heybryan.org/books/papers/23:02
kanzurehttp://heybryan.org/books/papers/neuro/ have fun23:02
jvalleroyWow that's a lot of reading material.23:02
bkeroybit2: i arrived to pizza late23:03
katsmeow-afkcarp, i forgot the pizza23:04
katsmeow-afkthanks, bkero23:04
bkerokatsmeow-afk: youre having pizza too?23:05
* katsmeow-afk nods,, once i re-re-heat it23:05
bkeroah23:06
bkeroThis is fantastic research pizza23:06
katsmeow-afkthis is cheap Walmart brand , but beats Dominoes and papajohns23:07
katsmeow-afkbeats pizza hut when fresh and ot23:07
* ybit2 eats wal-mart pizza as well, had something this morning23:07
ybit2the vegetable medley23:08
katsmeow-afki like veggie too, but this is the really thick crust supreme23:08
ybit2they keep taking away my vegan options, bastards23:08
ybit2first it was the kashi vegan pizza, now they removed the vegan lasagna23:09
bkeroaw23:09
bkerovegan lasagna is hard to make23:09
bkerodifficult to replicate the ricotta.23:09
* kanzure ponders Efficient gene delivery to the adult and fetal CNS using pseudotyped non-integrating lentiviral vectors23:09
ybit2indeed23:09
kanzurehttp://heybryan.org/books/papers/neuro/Efficient%20gene%20delivery%20to%20the%20adult%20and%20fetal%20CNS%20using%20pseudotyped%20non-integrating%20lentiviral%20vectors.pdf23:09
ybit2well, raw vegan lasagna is*23:09
ybit2thanks for getting us back on track23:10
katsmeow-afkthe vegan lasgna is back23:11
katsmeow-afklast i saw, they had store brand and several national brands of veggie lasgna23:11
katsmeow-afktheir store brand chicken is ok, i prefer Stouffers veggie23:11
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