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| QuantumG | neat, wonder when they'll start selling them | 01:05 |
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| QuantumG | .. after the beta testers figure out something useful for them to do I guess | 01:05 |
| QuantumG | .. don't send em to MIT then.. haw haw haw | 01:05 |
| fenn | huh i just rode right past willow garage | 01:28 |
| QuantumG | go knock on their door | 01:29 |
| QuantumG | "can we see the robot? " | 01:29 |
| fenn | ok | 01:29 |
| QuantumG | you gotta put on your best puppy dog face | 01:30 |
| fenn | and pronounce it 'wobot' | 01:30 |
| QuantumG | yep | 01:30 |
| fenn | anyway it hardly seems blogworthy | 01:34 |
| fenn | "we're giving away equipment to established academics" | 01:34 |
| fenn | big whoop | 01:34 |
| QuantumG | heh | 01:34 |
| QuantumG | implying there's some calibre of news required for a blog | 01:35 |
| genehacker2 | it's an awesome robot though | 01:37 |
| QuantumG | telescopic spine ftw | 01:39 |
| QuantumG | 1.1 meters is pretty tall | 01:41 |
| fenn | kanzure: oops. i upgraded dokuwiki to try to get rid of the barnacle of security warnings at the top, and managed to break it, and thought i had fixed it completely but i guess not | 01:44 |
| fenn | no nevermind, this is more broken than yesterday | 01:46 |
| * fenn investigates | 01:46 | |
| fenn | must have been some problem that didnt show up until apache got reloaded | 01:53 |
| * fenn changed the commented line in /etc/apache/dokuwiki.conf | 01:53 | |
| fenn | stupid warnings are still there | 01:53 |
| fenn | wish i could figure out how to turn that off | 01:54 |
| * fenn applies his ninja force technique directly to dokuzard's weak point | 01:56 | |
| genehacker2 | I wish I had a ninja force technique I could apply to mathematica | 02:06 |
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| genehacker | hahaha oh wow | 02:56 |
| genehacker | about 6% of Kurzweil's predictions came true | 02:56 |
| bkero | That's better than a lot of futurists | 02:56 |
| genehacker | http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2010/01/kurzweils-failed-2009-predictions/ | 02:57 |
| genehacker | guess he isn't the one true prophet | 02:57 |
| fenn | most of his predictions would have been on-track if not for the iraq war and global economic recession | 03:13 |
| fenn | most of them are simply off quantitatively (i.e. how widespread) | 03:14 |
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| fenn | speaking of bots, this is actually pretty decent; by far the best AI-generated music i've heard: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/09/virtual-composer-makes-beautiful-musicand-stirs-controversy.ars | 05:52 |
| fenn | or http://artsites.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/mp3page.htm | 05:52 |
| fenn | the beethoven one is pretty cool | 05:54 |
| fenn | don't bother listening to anything that doesn't have (After so and so) after it | 06:37 |
| fenn | i think the problem is that Cope likes awful terrible wankery that isn't music, but his program is fine | 06:39 |
| fenn | here's something i had never seen before; animated fractals: http://www.fractal-recursions.com/files/anim/anim.html | 07:17 |
| Utopiah | nice http://ctuning.org/ "an open community-driven collaborative wiki-based portal that brings together academia, industry and end-users to develop intelligent collective tuning technology that automates and simplifies compiler, program and architecture design and optimization." | 07:33 |
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| kanzure | "Crayola's law: the number of colors doubles every 28 years" | 10:55 |
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| kanzure | for anyone who missed out on john smart's explanation of the "cybertwin" idea: http://www.accelerating.org/articles/hpe2032army.html#pcdt | 11:13 |
| kanzure | hm that's maybe not the best possible explanation :p | 11:14 |
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| genehacker | http://i.imgur.com/LxcP4.jpg | 13:53 |
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| genehacker | Sagan | 13:53 |
| genehacker | 's apple pie | 13:53 |
| Utopiah | :) | 13:54 |
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| ybit | hi chupacabra | 14:27 |
| ybit | hi davemenn1nger | 14:28 |
| flamt_ | nanotech panopticon bordering on vr | 14:30 |
| flamt_ | "life's like that. a series of glimpses and blanks, and the occasional jolt of pain from the antenna in your skull" | 14:30 |
| flamt_ | kurt vonnegut | 14:30 |
| superkuh | Sirens of Titan? | 14:40 |
| kanzure | todd huffman sent me an email asking how to improve his wpm (typing) | 14:46 |
| kanzure | i told him to have heated IRC chats :p | 14:46 |
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| kanzure | also i've found that i type better on cold keyboards | 14:49 |
| genehacker | interesting, any idea why? | 14:54 |
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| ybit | test | 14:55 |
| Utopiah | want to minimize contact time with your fingers I guess :-# | 14:55 |
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| ybit2 | !list | 14:47 |
| hplusbot | ybit2: Admin, Alias, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Dict, Google, Math, Misc, NickCapture, Nickometer, Owner, Quote, RSS, Reply, Seen, ShrinkUrl, Time, and User | 14:47 |
| Utopiah | ybit2: http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html is nice | 14:49 |
| ybit2 | Utopiah: yeah | 14:49 |
| Utopiah | (and I think now the templating system works well, i.e.practical for wikis) | 14:49 |
| ybit2 | http://thisisaflippinlongurlnoididnotconfiguretheshrinkurlpluginyet.com | 14:50 |
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| ybit2 | . | 15:00 |
| ybit2 | blah | 15:03 |
| ybit2 | hrm | 15:03 |
| ybit2 | maybe symbolic linking needs to enabled in apache | 15:03 |
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| ybit2 | . | 15:00 |
| ybit2 | blah | 15:03 |
| ybit2 | hrm | 15:03 |
| ybit2 | maybe symbolic linking needs to enabled in apache | 15:03 |
| ybit2 | !logs | 15:03 |
| hplusbot | ybit2: http://adl.serveftp.org/irclogs.txt | 15:03 |
| ybit2 | nope | 15:04 |
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| ybit2 | bah | 15:28 |
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| ybit2 | . | 15:07 |
| ybit2 | !logs | 15:07 |
| hplusbot | ybit2: http://adl.serveftp.org/irclogs.txt | 15:07 |
| ybit2 | i do believe it's working | 15:07 |
| ybit2 | hrm, it's logging, but only updates the log after you close the program | 15:09 |
| ybit2 | supposedly it flushes every 5 minutes | 15:11 |
| ybit2 | list | 15:11 |
| ybit2 | !list | 15:11 |
| hplusbot | ybit2: Admin, Alias, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Misc, Owner, Reply, ShrinkUrl, and User | 15:11 |
| ybit2 | !list channelStats | 15:12 |
| hplusbot | ybit2: channelstats, rank, and stats | 15:12 |
| ybit2 | !stats | 15:12 |
| hplusbot | ybit2: I have 1 registered users with 0 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. | 15:12 |
| ybit2 | !channelstats | 15:12 |
| hplusbot | ybit2: On #hplusroadmap there have been 8 messages, containing 295 characters, 44 words, 0 smileys, and 0 frowns; 0 of those messages were ACTIONs. There have been 0 joins, 0 parts, 0 quits, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes. | 15:12 |
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| ybit2 | alright, well, i think it's working, gots to do the solidworks thing now | 15:13 |
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| ybit2 | bah | 15:28 |
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| ybit2 | blh | 15:40 |
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| kanzure | 'aquacore' instruction set architecture for microfluidics: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.91.9564&rep=rep1&type=pdf | 16:58 |
| hplusbot | <http://ln-s.net/4qzl> (at citeseerx.ist.psu.edu) | 16:58 |
| kanzure | ybit2: could you stop that? | 16:59 |
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| ybit2 | kanzure: yeah, it's done | 17:10 |
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| kanzure | hello thesnark | 17:22 |
| thesnark | hey kanzure | 17:22 |
| genehacker | Hello everybody | 17:32 |
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| flamt_ | http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/01/18/1742230/Nano-Scale-Robot-Arm-Moves-Atoms-With-100-Accuracy wtf holy wow | 20:59 |
| hplusbot | <http://ln-s.net/4r1A> (at science.slashdot.org) | 20:59 |
| kanzure | flamt_: it's not 100% accuracy. read the paper | 21:01 |
| kanzure | ned seeman didn't even get it wrong in the abstract.. dunno how the reporter did | 21:01 |
| genehacker | some people are saying that it shows mechanosynthesis works | 21:07 |
| genehacker | still it's pretty cool | 21:07 |
| genehacker | I think I need to read it | 21:07 |
| QuantumG | if you get the nature article, put it up | 21:09 |
| kanzure | er | 21:10 |
| kanzure | one sec | 21:10 |
| genehacker | after I get this gear generator script working | 21:10 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: http://designfiles.org/papers/Dynamic%20patterning%20programmed%20by%20DNA%20tiles%20captured%20on%20a%20DNA%20origami%20substrate%20-%202009.pdf | 21:12 |
| kanzure | blah just uploaded it again.. turns out there's two of them | 21:12 |
| genehacker | oh is this that other paper? | 21:12 |
| kanzure | one that i uploaded 2009-03-18 at 07:54 | 21:12 |
| kanzure | and one that i uploaded a few seconds ago :( | 21:12 |
| genehacker | oh it is | 21:13 |
| kanzure | god is slashdot really lagging by 10 months? | 21:13 |
| genehacker | no H+ is | 21:13 |
| kanzure | nah, it was just on slashdot again for some reason | 21:13 |
| genehacker | so this isn't the oscar custance guy's paper? | 21:14 |
| genehacker | err it isn'y | 21:14 |
| kanzure | no | 21:14 |
| kanzure | this is ned seeman | 21:14 |
| genehacker | http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/01/atom-by-atom-nanostructuring-and-single.html | 21:14 |
| kanzure | good ol' ned. i met him once.. cool guy. | 21:14 |
| genehacker | when and how? | 21:14 |
| genehacker | conference? | 21:15 |
| kanzure | he was speaking at singularity summit 2009 | 21:15 |
| kanzure | and i saw him sitting all alone and thought to myself "no fucking way, that's ned fucking seeman" | 21:15 |
| kanzure | "what are you doing here?" | 21:15 |
| kanzure | "well, they asked me to speak. i have no clue why" | 21:15 |
| genehacker | oh that guy | 21:16 |
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| genehacker | so we got a bot now? | 21:50 |
| QuantumG | yeah, that paper is gay, I remember it now.. | 21:51 |
| QuantumG | .. or I could say, I forgot it because it was so forgettable. | 21:51 |
| QuantumG | good science no doubt | 21:52 |
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| kanzure | hello fenn | 22:18 |
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| ybit | genehacker2: yeah | 22:56 |
| ybit | !log | 22:56 |
| hplusbot | ybit: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. | 22:56 |
| ybit | !logs | 22:56 |
| hplusbot | ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/irclogs.txt | 22:56 |
| ybit | trying to figure out though why it doesn't flush the logs every 5 mins like it's supposed to | 22:57 |
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| genehacker2 | !help | 22:59 |
| hplusbot | genehacker2: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 22:59 |
| genehacker2 | can we get hplusbot to automatically greet newcomers and tell them what we are all about? | 23:00 |
| kanzure | it's weird when baidu and msnbot both simultaneously request robots.txt | 23:01 |
| genehacker2 | now which one is more evil... | 23:03 |
| genehacker2 | dammit why can wolfram alpha give me a nice clean solution to a set of equations when mathematica can't | 23:07 |
| genehacker2 | they are supposed to be one and the same... | 23:07 |
| kanzure | night | 23:08 |
| fenn | why do we need a bot? | 23:23 |
| katsmeow-afk | <shrug> | 23:26 |
| katsmeow-afk | praps it's to give a hobby to someone interested in Ai | 23:27 |
| genehacker2 | because someday we might be able to upgrade it into a Hal like assistant capable of managing this channel all by itself | 23:29 |
| fenn | i've never seen an irc bot that didnt totally suck | 23:31 |
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| katsmeow-afk | sucking in a configuration problem, i think, same as with humans | 23:45 |
| chupacabra | !status | 00:53 |
| hplusbot | chupacabra: Error: "status" is not a valid command. | 00:53 |
| chupacabra | what kinda bot is it? | 00:54 |
| QuantumG | whenever someone shoves a bot onto a channel, everyone's gotta play with it. | 00:55 |
| chupacabra | thats kinda the point | 00:55 |
| genehacker2 | !makemesandwich | 00:56 |
| hplusbot | genehacker2: Error: "makemesandwich" is not a valid command. | 00:56 |
| chupacabra | !help | 00:56 |
| hplusbot | chupacabra: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 00:56 |
| chupacabra | rbot? | 00:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | !help help | 00:57 |
| hplusbot | katsmeow-afk: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 00:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | !help [help] | 00:57 |
| hplusbot | katsmeow-afk: Error: There is no command "(help[<plugin>][<command>])thiscommandgivesausefuldescriptionofwhat<command>does.<plugin>isonlynecessaryifthecommandisinmorethanoneplugin.". | 00:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | lol | 00:57 |
| chupacabra | !help seen | 00:58 |
| hplusbot | chupacabra: Error: There is no command "seen". | 00:58 |
| katsmeow-afk | !help quit | 00:58 |
| hplusbot | katsmeow-afk: (quit [<text>]) -- Exits the bot with the QUIT message <text>. If <text> is not given, the default quit message (supybot.plugins.Owner.quitMsg) will be used. If there is no default quitMsg set, your nick will be used. | 00:58 |
| chupacabra | ahhh supybot. | 00:58 |
| chupacabra | I never got an operational supybot | 00:59 |
| chupacabra | 100% | 00:59 |
| genehacker2 | !Solve[{pitchrad*Sin[theta] == pitchrad*0.5*(Cos[t] + t*Sin[t]), | 00:59 |
| hplusbot | genehacker2: Error: Missing "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands. | 00:59 |
| genehacker2 | pitchrad*Cos[theta] == pitchrad*0.5*(Sin[t] - t*Cos[t])}, t] | 00:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | i write my own | 00:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | ouch | 00:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | !Solve[{pitchrad*Sin[theta] == pitchrad*0.5*(Cos[t] + t*Sin[t]),pitchrad*Cos[theta] == pitchrad*0.5*(Sin[t] - t*Cos[t])}, t] | 00:59 |
| hplusbot | katsmeow-afk: Error: "theta" is not a valid command. | 00:59 |
| katsmeow-afk | yeas, genehacker, put in some values | 01:00 |
| katsmeow-afk | !solve a+b | 01:00 |
| hplusbot | katsmeow-afk: Error: "solve" is not a valid command. | 01:00 |
| katsmeow-afk | !Solve a+b | 01:01 |
| hplusbot | katsmeow-afk: Error: "Solve" is not a valid command. | 01:01 |
| genehacker2 | what the bot can solve equations? | 01:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | !Solve[ a+b] | 01:01 |
| hplusbot | katsmeow-afk: Error: "a+b" is not a valid command. | 01:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | !Solve[1,2] | 01:01 |
| hplusbot | katsmeow-afk: Error: "1,2" is not a valid command. | 01:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | !Solve[1+2] | 01:01 |
| hplusbot | katsmeow-afk: Error: "1+2" is not a valid command. | 01:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | !Solve[add(1,2)] | 01:01 |
| hplusbot | katsmeow-afk: You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes. | 01:01 |
| katsmeow-afk | thanks :-) | 01:01 |
| genehacker2 | you're using mathematica commands... | 01:01 |
| chupacabra | hplusbot AI? | 01:02 |
| hplusbot | chupacabra: Error: "AI?" is not a valid command. | 01:02 |
| katsmeow-afk | <hplusbot> katsmeow-afk: i'm either broken or incapable of stuff, so i'll ignore you for a while | 01:02 |
| genehacker2 | !yourmom | 01:03 |
| hplusbot | genehacker2: Error: "yourmom" is not a valid command. | 01:03 |
| chupacabra | !books drupal | 01:03 |
| hplusbot | chupacabra: Error: "books" is not a valid command. | 01:03 |
| katsmeow-afk | !valid command | 01:03 |
| genehacker2 | I'm beginning to think IRC bots are useles | 01:04 |
| fenn | useless _and_ noisy | 01:05 |
| fenn | !quit sayonara | 01:07 |
| hplusbot | fenn: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. | 01:07 |
| chupacabra | !factinfo moo | 01:07 |
| hplusbot | chupacabra: Error: "factinfo" is not a valid command. | 01:07 |
| chupacabra | i think most modules are disabled. who owns it? | 01:07 |
| fenn | ybit | 01:07 |
| katsmeow-afk | [01:07] <katsmeow-afk> tiggr, what's chemodenervation? | 01:08 |
| katsmeow-afk | [01:07] <TiggrBot> chemodenervation : Interruption of a nerve impulse pathway via administration of a chemical substance, such as botulinum toxin (BTX). For example, intramuscular injections of BTX produce local relaxation of treated muscles by inhibiting the release of acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter that is present at the junctions of nerve and muscle cells and that regulates the delivery of messages from neurons to musc | 01:08 |
| genehacker2 | ugh sounds nasty | 01:08 |
| fenn | well i'd rather have tiggr in here than a generic supybot | 01:09 |
| chupacabra | !fortune | 01:09 |
| hplusbot | chupacabra: Error: "fortune" is not a valid command. | 01:09 |
| katsmeow-afk | <blush> | 01:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | [01:10] <katsmeow-afk> Tiggr, can you tell me about CABA? | 01:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | [01:10] <TiggrBot> CABA : Chinese Artificial Brain Administration ; This would be a government agency that employs 1000s of scientists and engineers to design and build artificial brains for China's home robot industry (and other applications). | 01:10 |
| chupacabra | !progstats | 01:10 |
| hplusbot | chupacabra: Error: "progstats" is not a valid command. | 01:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | she doesn't do !commands , and atm her !remember is turned off for everyone | 01:11 |
| chupacabra | !list infobot | 01:12 |
| hplusbot | chupacabra: Error: 'infobot' is not a valid plugin. | 01:12 |
| chupacabra | i give | 01:12 |
| fenn | someone at hackerdojo: http://www.charlesmerriam.com/blog/2008/04/fun-with-programming-a-technology-tree/ | 01:25 |
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| flamt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-mhA7BQtWA psychic electric animals paint on drugs | 07:44 |
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| kanzure | "if it is to be then it is up to me" | 08:18 |
| kanzure | jerry's wife is an astrologer. she read my destiny or some such. | 08:19 |
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| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/google-web-history-scraper.py | 10:46 |
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| ybit | kanzure: :P | 11:08 |
| ybit | what is your destiny, please do tell | 11:08 |
| ybit | does anyone else have black circles form around their eyes after using a computer for, oh 12 hours a day, 7 days a week? | 11:09 |
| genehacker | introduce said astrologer to probability theory | 11:28 |
| kanzure | oops, please note she's not his wife. my bad. | 11:29 |
| ybit | if anyone here happens to get a facebook msg saying i made a comment about a photo of you on facebook, ignore | 11:36 |
| ybit | it's a really interesting way of exploiting facebook | 11:36 |
| ybit | if you add the app to see what photo it is, it will access your friend list and send out the same message to them | 11:37 |
| ybit | the photo is usually of a clown in which its color values are oscillating back and forth, making for a shocking photo in which it seems thousands of people feel the need to comment about | 11:37 |
| ybit | i didn't comment on it and it still sent out a notification to friends' | 11:38 |
| ybit | ignore " ' " | 11:38 |
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| kanzure | http://www.opensourcerails.com/projects/51989-Hardware-Inventory | 11:59 |
| kanzure | stalk: http://nickfarr.org/ thingiverse.com is his "client"? | 11:59 |
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| kanzure | yum, this data is delicious | 12:28 |
| kanzure | 42,499 queries on google web search | 12:28 |
| kanzure | now what | 12:28 |
| Utopiah | :/ | 12:29 |
| Utopiah | from manual queries only or also automatised ones? | 12:29 |
| Utopiah | Id guess only manual ones | 12:29 |
| kanzure | only manual queries | 12:29 |
| Utopiah | 37K :/ I loose | 12:30 |
| kanzure | run my script and download it all :) | 12:30 |
| kanzure | if google gets access to it, why not me? | 12:30 |
| kanzure | we can see what we're looking for :) | 12:30 |
| kanzure | some of these queries are crazy: cloning biology OR science OR biotech OR biotechnology -ban -backup -Microsoft -GTK -site:amazon.com -political -politics -photoshop -Dolly -shopping -catholic -legislation -media -essay -article -god -Christ -Jesus -debate -morals -morality -moral -ethics -news -bioethics -ethical -controversy -controversial&safe=off | 12:31 |
| Utopiah | without an interface? | 12:33 |
| kanzure | what? | 12:33 |
| kanzure | i linked to a script i wrote | 12:33 |
| kanzure | that scrapes this data from your account | 12:33 |
| kanzure | i'm asking you to run it :) | 12:34 |
| Utopiah | yes that I understood very well | 12:34 |
| Utopiah | which is why I didn't say yes :P | 12:34 |
| kanzure | then why did you say "without an interface"? | 12:36 |
| Utopiah | because I was wonering if that query was one you made manually and pulled from your script of it was generated by a tool you use to make query (like Exalead "related terms") or if it was generated by the script as suggestions | 12:40 |
| Utopiah | (I would use the script if there was a way to easilly remove items with regex) | 12:40 |
| kanzure | the script that i linked to just downloads html files of the pages | 12:41 |
| kanzure | another script i wrote but have not linked to parses the html and puts a list of queries into a text file | 12:42 |
| Utopiah | btw, do you know if when you removed an item from the history, it's actually removed from Google servers? | 12:44 |
| kanzure | no i don't know | 12:45 |
| Utopiah | I guess not, thath's usually not their policy | 12:45 |
| Utopiah | (Privacy FAQ for Web History – Google Web History http://www.google.com/history/privacyfaq.html#edit If you remove items, they will be removed from the service and will not be used to improve your search experience. As is common practice in the industry, Google also maintains a separate logs system for auditing purposes and to help us improve the quality of our services for users. For example, we use this information to audit our ads systems, under | 12:49 |
| genehacker | well you could use google sharing Utopiah | 12:53 |
| genehacker | if you don't want to let google know stuff about you | 12:53 |
| genehacker | and you can trust the person who made it | 12:53 |
| Utopiah | genehacker: is a way to add noise? | 12:54 |
| genehacker | *if you can trust | 12:54 |
| genehacker | yeah | 12:54 |
| genehacker | look up google sharing | 12:54 |
| genehacker | it was on slashdot the other day | 12:54 |
| Utopiah | there is a much older one with an ugly interface... | 12:55 |
| Utopiah | https://ssl.scroogle.org/ | 12:56 |
| kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/hackerspace-os/ | 13:01 |
| kanzure | :) http://www.aleph.se/andart/archives/2007/11/top_10_genetic_enhancements.html | 13:26 |
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| kanzure | so, sam putman thinks gnusha is replab rebranded and that it shouldn't exist | 14:45 |
| kanzure | but then he tells me he's purposefully not including me in on replab happenings | 14:45 |
| kanzure | sigh | 14:45 |
| kanzure | because i'm too emotional :p | 14:49 |
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| ybit | that was a big lightning bolt | 14:58 |
| ybit | i'm scared | 14:58 |
| ybit | i've got to start remembering this isn't twitter | 14:59 |
| ybit | if google would offer free internet for everyone across the nation, that would save me having to use aircrack on innocent citizens' encrypted networks | 15:02 |
| Utopiah | ybit: http://xkcd.com/466/ | 15:03 |
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| ybit | haha | 15:10 |
| ybit | i'm highly considering the can approach when | 15:11 |
| ybit | -when | 15:11 |
| ybit | if i walk outside the house, i get about 8 more networks | 15:11 |
| ybit | thank tux for macchanger | 15:11 |
| genehacker | ybit do you mind doing something about your bot? | 15:12 |
| ybit | what do mean? | 15:14 |
| ybit | +you | 15:14 |
| ybit | genehacker ^ | 15:14 |
| ybit | i've kind of been lazy about it, but what do you want/ | 15:15 |
| Utopiah | ybit: regaridng your wifi needshttp://www.digitaltrends.com/lifestyle/us-adults-want-internet-more-than-sex/ | 15:32 |
| ybit | "A new survey finds that most U.S. adults find Internet access more important to daily life than watching TV...or having sex." certainly more important | 15:34 |
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| ybit | genehacker2: what are you wanting me to do with the bot? | 15:40 |
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| ybit | DIY creates loyalty, makes sense | 15:50 |
| ybit | (brand loyalty) | 15:51 |
| ybit | but the business can't just tell the customer "fsck you, make it yourself" :) | 15:52 |
| ybit | oregano is nice | 16:10 |
| ybit | apt-get install oregano | 16:10 |
| ybit | a lot easier to create something compared to geda's scehmatic editor | 16:11 |
| ybit | and it exports to svg | 16:11 |
| kanzure | does it export a netlist? | 16:14 |
| ybit | no | 16:15 |
| ybit | it doesn't *export* | 16:15 |
| ybit | it generates a netlist though :) | 16:15 |
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| genehacker | that's what ikea does... | 16:22 |
| ybit | that's where it came from | 16:23 |
| ybit | genehacker: what are you wanting me to do with the bot? | 16:24 |
| genehacker | hmmm... people were thinking it was annoying last night | 16:24 |
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| ybit | genehacker: you mean kanzure? and do you mean during the afternoon when i was setting it up? | 16:25 |
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| ybit | i slapped kanzure with a trout, he thinks differently now | 16:26 |
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| ybit | diysci sounds silly | 16:30 |
| ybit | diy sounds fine but tack on anything and it sounds silly | 16:31 |
| kanzure | http://pixelnovel.com/ | 16:32 |
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| ybit | neat idea | 16:33 |
| * kanzure hasn't loaded it yet (oops) | 16:34 | |
| kanzure | but Massimo Menichinelli <- that guy recommended it | 16:34 |
| genehacker | is there a good version control system for cad? | 16:36 |
| ybit | nope | 16:37 |
| ybit | not the pixelbot approach at least | 16:38 |
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| kanzure | it's interesting that undo/redo is useful for version control | 16:39 |
| kanzure | ybit: please run my script on your google web history account :) | 16:41 |
| ybit | i would love to | 16:42 |
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| ybit | link to script? for some reason i thought you had just PMed to QuantumG | 16:43 |
| genehacker | what does your google script do kanzure? | 16:43 |
| ybit | genehacker: it finds all your pr0n history and deletes it | 16:43 |
| genehacker | on google? | 16:44 |
| genehacker | I thought they kept that information | 16:44 |
| QuantumG | I turned off Google search history long ago | 16:44 |
| kanzure | ybit: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/google-web-history-scraper.py | 16:44 |
| kanzure | genehacker: it doesn't delete it | 16:44 |
| ybit | QuantumG: as if they still don't keep it | 16:44 |
| QuantumG | I don't care if they have it | 16:45 |
| kanzure | anyway, it's just time for me to do a backup | 16:45 |
| genehacker | oh | 16:45 |
| kanzure | so i downloaded all 46k queries | 16:45 |
| kanzure | it's a really interesting data set | 16:45 |
| kanzure | some of the queries i wonder about though. "wtf?" | 16:45 |
| genehacker | you should have commented them | 16:46 |
| ybit | quite a bit of mine will be stupid queries from family members | 16:46 |
| kanzure | ybit: how many in total? | 16:46 |
| kanzure | http://google.com/history | 16:46 |
| kanzure | anyway i figure that if google gets to have this information, why not you guys? | 16:46 |
| kanzure | everything i've searched for on google since 2005 | 16:47 |
| ybit | er | 16:47 |
| ybit | add comment: "type in your username as the argument and if you want it saved to a file you will need to issue > file.txt" | 16:49 |
| kanzure | nope | 16:49 |
| kanzure | you need to make a dir called "data" | 16:49 |
| kanzure | and it will save the data to the "data" dir | 16:49 |
| kanzure | also there's a bug in that it reaches maximum recursion depth at page 1000 or something, i have a fixed version that i haven't uploaded yet | 16:50 |
| ybit | i should probably wait on the fixed version to be uploaded then | 16:50 |
| kanzure | one sec | 16:50 |
| ybit | seriously though, dark circles around the eyes anyone? | 16:51 |
| genehacker | no | 16:51 |
| ybit | genehacker: are you on the comp. 12hrs/day? | 16:52 |
| genehacker | I don't know how many hours a day I spend | 16:52 |
| ybit | i didn't get them until i started spending half the day on it | 16:52 |
| ybit | it == staring at a computer screen as depicted in my facebook profile pic: http://facebook.com/heathmatlock | 16:53 |
| kanzure | ybit: ok new version uploaded | 16:54 |
| kanzure | it went pretty fast on davinci/adl | 16:55 |
| kanzure | about 1 page per second | 16:55 |
| ybit | thanks kanzure | 16:56 |
| * ybit goes for a walk | 16:56 | |
| kanzure | i've searched for "open source" terms a total of 445 times | 16:56 |
| kanzure | hrm | 16:56 |
| kanzure | DNA: 262 times | 16:56 |
| kanzure | i better stop | 16:57 |
| ybit | freq() { sort "$1" | uniq -c | sort -nr | less; } | 17:03 |
| ybit | fav little bash script for frequency counts | 17:03 |
| ybit | usage: freq file.whatever | 17:03 |
| * kanzure looks at his longtail | 17:05 | |
| kanzure | time for a trimming? | 17:06 |
| kanzure | hah: site:slashdot.org ear disgusting audio compression | 17:10 |
| kanzure | i remember that post | 17:10 |
| kanzure | it was in one of the loudness-wars articles/discussions | 17:10 |
| genehacker | argh | 17:12 |
| genehacker | wolfram alpha will solve my equations but mathematica can't | 17:12 |
| genehacker | this is weird | 17:12 |
| ybit | kanzure: how many search queries did you have? | 17:13 |
| kanzure | ybit: 46k | 17:13 |
| ybit | trying to determine how long this is going to run, okay | 17:13 |
| kanzure | you can check by viewing the page.. | 17:14 |
| ybit | oh | 17:14 |
| kanzure | they put the total underneath the calendar on the right-hand side | 17:14 |
| ybit | Total Google searches: 42086 | 17:14 |
| kanzure | O.o | 17:14 |
| ybit | bastard | 17:14 |
| ybit | you're 4k over me | 17:14 |
| ybit | [smiley] | 17:15 |
| kanzure | that's startling close. i would have expected either drastically more or drastically less. | 17:16 |
| ybit | it would be even closer but i was paranoid around 9/11 and used scroogle for a good while | 17:16 |
| kanzure | oh how many years is this? | 17:17 |
| ybit | 1 year | 17:17 |
| kanzure | 42k queries in 1 year? | 17:17 |
| ybit | oh | 17:17 |
| ybit | where do they show this? do i have scroll back one month at a time to figure this out? | 17:18 |
| kanzure | heh | 17:18 |
| kanzure | um, yes, or you can just wait for the script to finish | 17:18 |
| ybit | starts at dec 2005 | 17:18 |
| kanzure | hmm | 17:19 |
| ybit | dec 23 | 17:19 |
| ybit | kanzure: did the output ever look like this: http://ybit.ath.cx/Screenshot-8.png | 17:23 |
| ybit | it was diff to begin with | 17:23 |
| kanzure | no | 17:23 |
| kanzure | 400 is not a good thing | 17:23 |
| ybit | maybe it's scraping faster than they allow? | 17:25 |
| ybit | it was grabbing them at a rate of 1 per sec | 17:25 |
| ybit | or even faster | 17:26 |
| kanzure | from time import sleep | 17:26 |
| kanzure | sleep(2) | 17:26 |
| ybit | aha | 17:27 |
| kanzure | i doubt that's the problem though | 17:27 |
| ybit | no it's not | 17:27 |
| ybit | it wasn't logging in me thinks | 17:27 |
| ybit | http://ybit.ath.cx/data.tar.gz | 17:28 |
| ybit | that's what was grabbed | 17:28 |
| kanzure | you should add exit() after the line that calls login() | 17:29 |
| ybit | line? | 17:30 |
| ybit | 177? | 17:30 |
| kanzure | somewher enear the bottom | 17:30 |
| kanzure | yeah | 17:30 |
| kanzure | just check that it's logging in | 17:30 |
| kanzure | and in the last line of the "login" function, be sure to print out the variable that was just stripped (you'll see it) | 17:31 |
| ybit | what is dsh_token and galx_token? | 17:32 |
| kanzure | stuff that google requires for logging in | 17:33 |
| kanzure | they are harvested from the login page before POSTing to the login/authentication service | 17:33 |
| ybit | it isn't logging in | 17:36 |
| ybit | oh i see | 17:37 |
| ybit | it is | 17:37 |
| ybit | and it's grabbing data now | 17:37 |
| QuantumG | anyone have any experience with the emachineshop "cad" software? | 17:37 |
| kanzure | i used it once or twice | 17:37 |
| kanzure | anything in particular about it? | 17:38 |
| QuantumG | it's like the most annoying shit I've ever used | 17:38 |
| kanzure | have you seen the price estimates for different manufacturing techniques? | 17:38 |
| kanzure | that was what most sticked out to me. everything else was broken and i'd just import stuff into it.. if anything | 17:38 |
| ybit | QuantumG: i haven't used it, what file format does it save to? | 17:38 |
| kanzure | so does anyone think i can sell my search data? | 17:39 |
| kanzure | at $1/query maybe i can make some money | 17:39 |
| QuantumG | hmm.. maybe if I load up solid works and export my part into a format it can import | 17:39 |
| ybit | er, how are you advertising it, kanzure? | 17:39 |
| kanzure | i'm not | 17:39 |
| kanzure | just an idle thought | 17:39 |
| ybit | 'it is i, boy genius, my very own search results.. $1 each' | 17:40 |
| ybit | the nsa wouldn't buy it, they can already get it for free | 17:41 |
| ybit | i think spammers would be interested in someone's search results in which that person is more likely to click on an ad | 17:41 |
| ybit | you probably use ad-block no? | 17:42 |
| ybit | i was surprised the other day to hear that my friend didn't use it | 17:42 |
| ybit | and he refused to use it, which was what shocked me | 17:43 |
| kanzure | i do not use it. my brain seems to filter out the ads for me. | 17:43 |
| ybit | o.O | 17:43 |
| kanzure | i have something that the spammers call "ad immunity" | 17:43 |
| ybit | same here, but i have something which psyhcologists call "add" and flashing stuff distracts me | 17:44 |
| QuantumG | wow, exporting as iges and importing worked! | 17:44 |
| ybit | nice | 17:45 |
| QuantumG | and I think I learnt something about how emachineshop works too | 17:45 |
| kanzure | poorly? | 17:46 |
| QuantumG | well, yes, but there was a set of numbers that I didn't understand | 17:46 |
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| ybit | grr at google preventing the scrapage after a certain # | 18:19 |
| kanzure | it doesn't | 18:40 |
| kanzure | that's literally the end | 18:40 |
| ybit | oh right | 18:50 |
| ybit | :) | 18:50 |
| ybit | i keep thinking where are the 40k+ html files :) | 18:50 |
| ybit | now to sort this | 18:50 |
| ybit | it's so much fun sorting the results :) | 18:55 |
| ybit | i don't know about you kanzure, but searches from 2005-2006 are embarrassing/depressing | 18:57 |
| QuantumG | thing I don't like about emachineshop.. you put in something that is obviously bulk material with 2 facing cuts on it and their price analysis still says it'll cost $400 | 19:06 |
| ybit | QuantumG: you could call them and make your case | 19:07 |
| QuantumG | yeah, or I could just ignore their service. | 19:07 |
| QuantumG | did you know they got rid of the ability to select what machine to use | 19:08 |
| QuantumG | now it's "auto" for all machines except the rapid prototyper, etc. | 19:08 |
| kanzure | aw | 19:08 |
| QuantumG | I guess that's useful for more people | 19:08 |
| ybit | i could see where that could be a problem for them | 19:09 |
| ybit | that == allowing others to select what machines the machinists use | 19:10 |
| QuantumG | yep, it does make one wonder why their price is $360 for something that is obviously just 15 minutes on the lathe though :) | 19:10 |
| kanzure | if you have any ideas for a good algorithm for that, pony it up | 19:11 |
| QuantumG | well, emachineshop was originally more of a "tell us how to do the work" cad system.. it's progressed more to a "describe what you want and we'll figure out how to make it" which is obviously what their customers were demanding. | 19:13 |
| kanzure | oh? i'm more familiar with the recent version | 19:14 |
| kanzure | what was it previously like? | 19:14 |
| QuantumG | you said exactly what machine to use for each line and the operations you could perform on the line reflected that selection | 19:15 |
| kanzure | for each line O.o | 19:15 |
| kanzure | do you have a backup of that software? | 19:15 |
| QuantumG | no sorry.. it was about 3 years ago | 19:16 |
| QuantumG | this is the third time I've gone "hey, emachineshop, I should check that out" | 19:16 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: have you seen this? http://designfiles.org/skdb/doc/BOMs/comparison/ | 19:18 |
| QuantumG | no, but it looks about right | 19:19 |
| ybit | my eyes are killing me | 19:22 |
| ybit | data needs to be downloaded to me brain via some other method | 19:22 |
| QuantumG | was thinking the other day that the "code" in The Matrix is probably more readable than Forth. | 19:23 |
| kanzure | have you had to read forth? | 19:23 |
| QuantumG | in my youth | 19:23 |
| ybit | brainfuck | 19:23 |
| * ybit needs an e ink based device | 19:24 | |
| QuantumG | forth is basically procedural brainfuck with stacks instead of registers. | 19:25 |
| ybit | that made me laugh | 19:25 |
| QuantumG | yeah, I might as well of said "forth isn't brainfuck" :) | 19:25 |
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| ybit | groupserver isn't bad | 19:29 |
| QuantumG | I'm sure there's only a small modification to brainfuck required to bootstrap it to forth. | 19:29 |
| kanzure | i'm surprised there's a lack of papers on microfluidics design | 19:33 |
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| kanzure | i.e. whether or not to use certain components in certain situations, or what parameters might be better for certain components | 19:35 |
| kanzure | i think everyone is just over-optimizing their specific design over a few years that a study is conducted | 19:35 |
| kanzure | unless i'm missing something | 19:35 |
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| kanzure | eric katerman wants me to work on pyscholar again | 19:57 |
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| kanzure | Petri dish PCR: laser-heated reactions in nanoliter droplet arrays | 20:43 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/papers/Petri%20dish%20PCR%20-%20laser-heated%20reactions%20in%20nanoliter%20droplet%20arrays.pdf | 20:43 |
| kanzure | 40 amplification cycles in ~6min | 20:43 |
| futuresoon | anybody heard about this cold fusion thing? | 20:43 |
| futuresoon | kanzure: 404 | 20:44 |
| QuantumG | have we heard about the cold fusion nonsense that rocked the world 20 years ago? why yes, yes we have. | 20:45 |
| futuresoon | presented at the american chemical society on the 20th anniversary of pons and fleischmann is more like it | 20:46 |
| futuresoon | iow, more recently | 20:46 |
| QuantumG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion | 20:47 |
| kanzure | futuresoon: oops | 20:47 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/Petri%20dish%20PCR%20-%20laser-heated%20reactions%20in%20nanoliter%20droplet%20arrays.pdf | 20:48 |
| futuresoon | QuantumG: it's been replicated by University of Osaka and the US Navy | 20:48 |
| futuresoon | QuantumG: it really is beyond question that it's happening | 20:49 |
| kanzure | what's been replicated? | 20:49 |
| futuresoon | it's all a matter of what is the mechanism | 20:49 |
| futuresoon | cold fusion | 20:49 |
| kanzure | sigh | 20:49 |
| futuresoon | fusion at room temperature, etc. | 20:49 |
| QuantumG | read the wikipedia page | 20:49 |
| futuresoon | QuantumG: have done so already., thanks | 20:49 |
| futuresoon | QuantumG: have you? | 20:50 |
| futuresoon | On 22–25 March 2009, the American Chemical Society held a four-day symposium on "New Energy Technology", in conjunction with the 20th anniversary of the announcement of cold fusion. At the conference, researchers with the U.S. Navy's Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center (SPAWAR) reported detection of energetic neutrons in a standard cold fusion cell design[63] using CR-39,[11] a result previously published in Die | 20:50 |
| futuresoon | Naturwissenschaften.[64] The authors claim that these neutrons are indicative of nuclear reactions,[65] although some scientists indicated that a quantitative analysis would be necessary before the results are accepted by the scientific community, and that the neutrons could be caused by another nuclear mechanism than fusion.[64][66] | 20:50 |
| futuresoon | yeah, another nuclear mechanism than fusion | 20:51 |
| futuresoon | the point is lost on anyone who makes that specious argument | 20:51 |
| futuresoon | because this is working exactly as Pons and Fleischmann said, first of all | 20:51 |
| futuresoon | except now it's more replicable | 20:51 |
| futuresoon | and most importantly, there's excess heat | 20:51 |
| QuantumG | I think the point is lost on you. | 20:51 |
| futuresoon | which is the entire point of the exercise | 20:51 |
| futuresoon | QuantumG: excuse me? | 20:51 |
| futuresoon | QuantumG: i'm saying there's excess heat generated here AND neutrons and that it's been proven | 20:52 |
| QuantumG | yes I know.. and you're saying this in the face of evidence that says exactly the opposite. | 20:52 |
| QuantumG | never mind the fact that "proven" is a nonsensical claim in physical sciences. | 20:53 |
| futuresoon | QuantumG: i haven't seen you present anything | 20:54 |
| futuresoon | i've been presenting things, including from the wikipedia article you cited | 20:54 |
| futuresoon | more evidence: | 20:55 |
| futuresoon | Now, esteemed Physics Professor Yoshiaki Arata of Osaka University in Japan claims to have made the first successful demonstration of cold fusion. Last Thursday, May 22, Arata and his colleague Yue-Chang Zhang of Shianghai Jiotong University presented the cold fusion demonstration to 60 onlookers, including other physicists, as well as reporters from six major newspapers and two TV studios. If Arata and Zhang´s demonstration | 20:55 |
| futuresoon | is real, it could lead to a future of new, clean, and cheap energy generation. | 20:55 |
| futuresoon | http://www.physorg.com/news131101595.html | 20:55 |
| futuresoon | the US Navy confirmation (WITH neutrons) comes after this | 20:55 |
| futuresoon | it seems neutrons had merely been too few to detect using then-standard methods | 20:56 |
| futuresoon | still standard methods i'm sure | 20:56 |
| QuantumG | dude, you read the paragraph you just posted as "proof" that something is true.. I read the paragraph as evidence that something completely watered down from the claims of Fleischmann and Pons has been reproduced once, in all the attempts to reproduce it over the years, and people in the field think it is more likely that this latest data is suspect than that they just happened to get it right. | 20:57 |
| futuresoon | you start with hydrogen, you end up with helium, there are neutrons and excess heat and it is confirmed by the US Navy and a prominent Japanese physicist to work just like Pons and Fleischmann said, roughly | 20:57 |
| futuresoon | this is all evidence | 20:57 |
| futuresoon | QuantumG: just name someone who will stand by your of the scientific consensus TODAY | 20:57 |
| futuresoon | QuantumG: someone of repute | 20:58 |
| futuresoon | QuantumG: and i'll show a bunch of people of equal repute responding in detail, who were formerly skeptics but are recently convinced | 20:58 |
| QuantumG | I'd be more interested in seeing them actually produce something useful from it. | 20:59 |
| QuantumG | I mean, that's the point.. | 20:59 |
| futuresoon | QuantumG: i thought the point was whether you knew how to properly conduct an evidentiary process in a more general sense | 20:59 |
| QuantumG | ya know the best way to convince people that something interesting is going on? Make an experiment that is repeatable. | 21:00 |
| futuresoon | it is repeatable | 21:00 |
| futuresoon | demonstrated on command at Osaka to reporters | 21:00 |
| futuresoon | the full methodology is available | 21:00 |
| futuresoon | US Navy did it again | 21:00 |
| QuantumG | it's been repeated by one group.. out of thousands that have tries. | 21:00 |
| futuresoon | how are U of Osaka and the US Navy "one group" | 21:00 |
| futuresoon | i have to go for ice cream now. but i ask you this.... | 21:01 |
| QuantumG | detecting neutrons isn't the point. | 21:01 |
| futuresoon | when yet another group of repute and renown confirms this | 21:01 |
| futuresoon | the excess heat is the point actually | 21:01 |
| futuresoon | the fact that you're outputting more energy than you use | 21:01 |
| futuresoon | IS the point | 21:01 |
| QuantumG | yep.. produce significant excess heat | 21:01 |
| futuresoon | actually ANY is the point | 21:01 |
| futuresoon | this is fusion at room temperature and it's generating excess heat | 21:01 |
| futuresoon | thanks for playing | 21:02 |
| QuantumG | why is that the point? | 21:02 |
| futuresoon | i have to go eat ice cream | 21:02 |
| QuantumG | what value is it? | 21:02 |
| futuresoon | because if you get out more energy than you put in you can do work | 21:02 |
| QuantumG | other than academic interest.. which is great and all.. what difference does it make? | 21:02 |
| QuantumG | which is exactly what I'm saying | 21:02 |
| QuantumG | no-one has done that | 21:02 |
| QuantumG | no-one can come up with an experiment that does that. | 21:02 |
| futuresoon | so your point is not that SCIENTISTS don't think cold fusion is real | 21:02 |
| futuresoon | your point is that ENGINEERS don't yet know via price signals in their salaries that it's going to help them career wise | 21:03 |
| futuresoon | fine, experiments are useless | 21:03 |
| futuresoon | i made a simple claim you haven't tried to refute i guess, but only wanted to seem to | 21:03 |
| futuresoon | namely that cold fusion is real | 21:03 |
| futuresoon | proven in the laboratory | 21:03 |
| futuresoon | repeatable | 21:03 |
| futuresoon | much cheaper to replicate by hobbyists than a hot fusion reactor | 21:04 |
| QuantumG | experiments are great.. neutron detecting arguments about something that can't even repeatedly produce interesting phenomena is not. | 21:04 |
| futuresoon | but whatever | 21:04 |
| futuresoon | the excess heat IS interesting | 21:04 |
| QuantumG | the excess heat can't be repeatedly reproduced... jesus are you listening or what? | 21:04 |
| futuresoon | i just showed you how it was repeated twice | 21:05 |
| futuresoon | navy and osaka | 21:05 |
| futuresoon | what part of that isn't clear? | 21:05 |
| QuantumG | yep, and out of those 2, THOUSANDS have tried to reproduce it and failed | 21:05 |
| QuantumG | you can't just say "we've had 2 wins and 1000s of losses, we're winners!!" | 21:05 |
| futuresoon | nonsense | 21:05 |
| futuresoon | it's been done successfully many times | 21:06 |
| futuresoon | try reading your own article | 21:06 |
| futuresoon | the point is that now it can be done on command | 21:06 |
| QuantumG | but it can't | 21:06 |
| futuresoon | we even know many of the reasons past attempts were sporadic in their successes | 21:06 |
| futuresoon | where did you train in physics? i studied at an ivy league university. you? | 21:07 |
| futuresoon | you haven't even read any of the materials i've given you | 21:07 |
| futuresoon | how embarrassing for you | 21:07 |
| QuantumG | did your ivy league university teach you to use words like "prove" to describe scientific discovery? | 21:07 |
| futuresoon | he never mentioned a commercial requirement of "proof" | 21:07 |
| QuantumG | I hereby call you a lying fool.. | 21:07 |
| QuantumG | go get your icecream | 21:08 |
| futuresoon | i'll make sure to keep this log | 21:08 |
| futuresoon | very interesting in a year or two | 21:08 |
| kanzure | hm, i never saw this article before | 21:12 |
| kanzure | http://wetpong.net/wetpong/?page_id=115 | 21:12 |
| kanzure | "Homemade Microfluidics using adhesive tape | 21:12 |
| kanzure | Microfluidics" | 21:12 |
| kanzure | it has pictures too :) | 21:12 |
| kanzure | heh he cures pdms by leaving it to sit for 2 days | 21:13 |
| kanzure | stalk: Marc Dusseiller | 21:15 |
| kanzure | well that was easy. http://www.dusseiller.ch/labs/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/card_front_norm_new_48.jpg | 21:16 |
| kanzure | er what exactly are these devices doing for him? | 21:16 |
| kanzure | http://wetpong.net/wetpong/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/figure6_devices_overview_100mm.jpg | 21:16 |
| kanzure | looks like it's an improvized liquid wasting device | 21:17 |
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| genehacker | so we had a cold fusion discussion interesting | 21:42 |
| genehacker | I for one favor chipscale hot fusion | 21:42 |
| genehacker | where you use a tiny particle accelerator | 21:43 |
| QuantumG | got any papers? | 21:50 |
| kanzure | heh :) | 21:50 |
| genehacker | http://www.ibridgenetwork.org/cornell/particle-accelerator-on-a-chip | 21:52 |
| genehacker | trying to find some | 21:52 |
| QuantumG | thanks | 21:52 |
| genehacker | try searching for particle accelerator on a chip | 21:53 |
| superkuh | Pyroelectric effect? | 21:53 |
| superkuh | Oh. No. | 21:54 |
| kanzure | genehacker: are you sure that i didn't just make this up and you're repeating my falsehoods? | 21:54 |
| genehacker | quite sure | 21:55 |
| genehacker | I read about it in a blog a while back | 21:55 |
| genehacker | why? | 21:55 |
| genehacker | we've discussed this before | 21:55 |
| kanzure | it sounds like something i would have made up and told you about | 21:56 |
| kanzure | okay. | 21:56 |
| genehacker | I can tell when you make stuff up | 21:56 |
| kanzure | well i wasn't intentionally making it up, but i don't remember there being references out there :) so that's cool | 21:56 |
| genehacker | I'm confused | 21:57 |
| kanzure | er | 21:57 |
| QuantumG | 100-1000 keV .. umm.. that's incredibl | 21:57 |
| QuantumG | e | 21:57 |
| kanzure | "wouldn't it be neat if there was a particle-accelerator-on-a-chip" | 21:57 |
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| kanzure | genehacker: nevermind | 21:57 |
| genehacker | I think the advantage of making a tiny particle accelerator are all the weird effects you get from quantization phenomenon | 21:58 |
| QuantumG | kinda annoying that the page has no references on it | 22:00 |
| QuantumG | ya | 22:02 |
| genehacker | http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/24265/?a=f | 22:02 |
| QuantumG | that page has a link to a patent on it that says "issued" and its for an anti-skidding device | 22:02 |
| genehacker | hah | 22:02 |
| genehacker | just google particle accelerator on a chip | 22:04 |
| kanzure | wtf | 22:06 |
| kanzure | jonathan cline moved to san diego :( | 22:06 |
| kanzure | to work with http://maxlinear.com/ | 22:07 |
| genehacker | argh my gears are coming out weird, there's tiny gaps between the teeth... | 22:09 |
| CIA-30 | skdb: kanzure * r a91728e /doc/tech-tree/ (civtech.csv readme.txt tech.py url.txt): added charles mirriam's tech.py civilization tree code | 22:17 |
| QuantumG | I hate when cheese gets stuck in between the tiny teeth | 22:18 |
| CIA-30 | skdb: kanzure * r 22da4d7 /doc/installing: fix quoting issue in doc/installing | 22:20 |
| QuantumG | http://www.ultramicroscopic.com/?p=160 | 22:21 |
| kanzure | "Oh, there’s more. Fascinated with the kiosk, middle son swiped a book under the upc scanner and waited for the book to be read to him in the headphones." | 22:22 |
| QuantumG | yep, that's the bit I liked too | 22:22 |
| QuantumG | you show kids how something works and they immediately generalize it. | 22:23 |
| flamt | http://thoughtware.tv/videos/watch/4703-Telepathic-critterdrug-Experiment-24-fps-Part-1 part 2 in a few hours | 22:24 |
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| kanzure | this is from the guys who are doing biocoder/biostream (protocols -> C code) http://groups.csail.mit.edu/cag/micado/ | 22:32 |
| kanzure | an autocad plugin for microfluidics | 22:32 |
| QuantumG | multi-layer soft lithography | 22:34 |
| QuantumG | wassat then? | 22:34 |
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| genehacker | microfluidics in rubbery stuff with channels at different layers | 22:35 |
| genehacker | it's cool because you can make valves just by crossing two channels | 22:35 |
| QuantumG | when you design units with this cad, can you send off to have them printed? | 22:35 |
| QuantumG | or do you need to have the manufacturing hardware yourself.. and is that big/expensive? | 22:36 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: ho ho ho. it just smells really terrible | 22:36 |
| kanzure | researchers love it though because it's relatively cheap | 22:36 |
| kanzure | i don't know anyone that makes these on demand for you yet | 22:37 |
| kanzure | though that would be pretty cool | 22:37 |
| QuantumG | heh, I'm watching the "screencast" and seeing vast amounts of red, and now firefox has crashed, gold. | 22:37 |
| QuantumG | anyway, so the manufacturing hardware is available? | 22:38 |
| kanzure | i don't have it | 22:38 |
| kanzure | but PDMS + SU-8 photolithography is supposed to be easy | 22:38 |
| QuantumG | well, it sounds interesting | 22:38 |
| * kanzure hasn't figured out the optics yet | 22:38 | |
| kanzure | do we have an optics person in here? :( | 22:39 |
| QuantumG | how wide are these channels? | 22:39 |
| kanzure | variable width | 22:39 |
| kanzure | some people do nano-size channels (not easy) | 22:39 |
| QuantumG | ballpark | 22:39 |
| kanzure | others are fine with 500micron | 22:39 |
| kanzure | but most stuff i see is 10 to 100 micron | 22:39 |
| QuantumG | k, sounds like more accuracy than reprap could do, so I guess you do need photolithography | 22:40 |
| QuantumG | anyone done anything interesting with them? | 22:40 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/ | 22:41 |
| kanzure | all sorts of crazy shit | 22:41 |
| kanzure | lots of biology stuff | 22:41 |
| kanzure | DNA sequencing, DNA synthesis too :) | 22:41 |
| QuantumG | cause you know what my interest is.. | 22:41 |
| kanzure | ? | 22:42 |
| kanzure | rocketry? | 22:42 |
| QuantumG | tabletop device for performing bacteria transfection protocols | 22:42 |
| kanzure | yes they've done that | 22:42 |
| QuantumG | awesome, remember the title of the paper? | 22:43 |
| kanzure | here's one with viruses: http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/Cell%20infection%20within%20a%20microfluidic%20device%20using%20virus%20gradients.pdf | 22:43 |
| kanzure | also anything about cell lysis in that folder | 22:43 |
| kanzure | hm that's weird. there's no paper with "transfection" in the title in that directory? | 22:44 |
| QuantumG | I never remember the generic word for "put my DNA into the cells please" | 22:44 |
| kanzure | electroporation is hot with the microfluidics people | 22:44 |
| kanzure | ah here's one: http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/Continuous%20Low-Voltage%20dc%20Electroporation%20on%20a%20Microfluidic%20Chip%20with%20Polyelectrolytic%20Salt%20Bridges.pdf | 22:45 |
| kanzure | but really, the 'lysis' papers are good for that | 22:45 |
| QuantumG | no-one done that calcium protocol with microfluidics? | 22:45 |
| kanzure | some of them use lasers to blatantly cut into the cells so dna can flow in | 22:45 |
| kanzure | i'm sure they have. one sec | 22:45 |
| kanzure | http://www.dusseiller.ch/mms_wiki/images/3/34/Microfluidic_for_cellomics_chapter_1.pdf | 22:46 |
| kanzure | crud that's only chapter 1 | 22:46 |
| kanzure | single cell transfection dynamics http://ho.seas.ucla.edu/publications/conference/2006/Na-MicroTAS-2006.pdf | 22:47 |
| kanzure | hm this is hard to find | 22:48 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: transformation | 22:49 |
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| kanzure | QuantumG: try this? http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/On-chip%20transformation%20of%20bacteria.pdf | 22:50 |
| QuantumG | nice | 22:51 |
| kanzure | yep that uses the calcium chloride method | 22:51 |
| QuantumG | also, the idea of doing stuff with single organisms interests me | 22:52 |
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| kanzure | QuantumG: check out the papers in that dir that say "droplet" | 22:52 |
| kanzure | what they do is they use water-in-oil emulsions inside these devices | 22:52 |
| kanzure | so then you can compartmentalize a single cell into a single droplet | 22:52 |
| kanzure | with a separated environment you can do some nifty quantized experiments and engineering | 22:52 |
| kanzure | i especially like the papers about directed evolution using these methods. | 22:53 |
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| kanzure | trends: miniaturising the laboratory in emulsion droplets http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/Trends%20-%20miniautirising%20the%20laboratory%20in%20emulsion%20droplets.pdf | 22:53 |
| kanzure | trends: droplets as microreactors for high-throughput biology http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/Trends%20-%20Droplets%20as%20Microreactors%20for%20High-Throughput%20Biology.pdf | 22:53 |
| QuantumG | synthesizing DNA, transforming a cell, communicating with the cell via lasers and light sensors, all on the one chip? | 22:54 |
| QuantumG | be nice | 22:54 |
| kanzure | here's some papers on DNA synthesis: http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/synthesis/ | 22:54 |
| QuantumG | so are there any microfluidic units for sale? | 22:56 |
| kanzure | dunno.. so far it seems to be a consulting-related industry, so if you have the money i'm sure someone will do it for you | 22:57 |
| kanzure | i've been thinking of laser cutting some devices once i commit microfluidics.py into skdb.git | 23:01 |
| QuantumG | I think ultimately this is why I like commercial motivation... customers challenge people to make more interesting things. | 23:04 |
| QuantumG | http://www.pabr.org/wxhmd/doc/wxhmd.en.html | 23:08 |
| QuantumG | well, hello | 23:08 |
| kanzure | " WXHMD is a Gumstix Overo Fire computer-on-module driving a Vuzix VR920 head-mounted display: Stereoscopic 640x480, audio in/out, 3D tilt sensor, 3D magnetic compass, TI OMAP3530 @ 600 MHz, Linux, WiFi, Bluetooth, 1 amp @ 3.7 volts, 180 grams. " | 23:08 |
| QuantumG | I own a VR920, it's in a cardboard box behind me | 23:09 |
| kanzure | haha the firefox screenshot screams "bloat!" to me | 23:09 |
| kanzure | but yeah | 23:09 |
| kanzure | " Battery life . The systems draws 1 A with no power optimizations. This is acceptable since nobody would want to spend more than a few minutes with two pulsed microwave RF transmitters, an overheating lithium battery and eye-straining optics strapped to their forehead anyway. " | 23:09 |
| QuantumG | hehe | 23:10 |
| superkuh | Wow. I have to have that. | 23:11 |
| QuantumG | http://quantumg.net/vr3.jpg http://quantumg.net/ubergeekchic.jpg | 23:13 |
| QuantumG | I have a pic somewhere of a smaller black camera I mounted on it | 23:13 |
| QuantumG | .. but they all suck.. the latency and the light-sensitivity is horrid. | 23:14 |
| ybit | how can you not like biology and want to work in a pharmceutical company lab? | 23:37 |
| ybit | http://designfiles.org/papers/Petri%20dish%20PCR%20-%20laser-heated%20reactions%20in%20nanoliter%20droplet%20arrays.pdf | 23:37 |
| ybit | is a 404 | 23:37 |
| ybit | oh right | 23:37 |
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| ybit | the wxhmd is hawt | 23:56 |
| ybit | QuantumG: you look like a cyclops :P | 23:58 |
| ybit | the wxhmd needs to cover up its sexy parts though, it can't go out in public naked | 00:02 |
| ybit | 21:07 < futuresoon> where did you train in physics? i studied at an ivy league university. you? | 00:03 |
| ybit | really? | 00:03 |
| ybit | come on | 00:03 |
| futuresoon | yeah, cause it's logically impossible | 00:04 |
| ybit | no, that you would feel the need to bring it up | 00:04 |
| futuresoon | ybit: well i'm making the claim cold fusion is real | 00:05 |
| futuresoon | ybit: i'm being challenged | 00:05 |
| futuresoon | ybit: i'm interested in the credentials of who's challenging me | 00:05 |
| futuresoon | ybit: seems appropriate to offer mine first | 00:05 |
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| ybit | okay, but next time, it will help your argument if you don't bring up your education history that way :) | 00:05 |
| futuresoon | ybit: actually, if you scroll up from there, facts and reasoning were attempted multiple times | 00:06 |
| ybit | i read it all | 00:06 |
| futuresoon | ybit: so i figure i can't be contending with forces more formidable than simple appeals to the authority of someone else's physics knowledge | 00:06 |
| futuresoon | or else facts and reasoning would have worked | 00:06 |
| futuresoon | ybit: read any of the links i gave? | 00:07 |
| futuresoon | ybit: follow up at all? | 00:07 |
| ybit | nope | 00:07 |
| ybit | read the quotes you pasted | 00:07 |
| ybit | i've got the links open, haven't read any of the logs' links yet though | 00:07 |
| futuresoon | a 15 year old kid made a hot fusion reactor | 00:08 |
| futuresoon | this is apparently easier and less dangerous to make | 00:08 |
| futuresoon | cheaper | 00:09 |
| futuresoon | there's the advantage of not dying from high voltages that must be mentioned in this regard | 00:10 |
| futuresoon | plus it's just cooler | 00:10 |
| futuresoon | get it? ha | 00:10 |
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| fenn | ybit: circles under eyes could be a symptom of liver problems | 05:35 |
| fenn | i wish i had known about/turned on google's history in 2005 | 05:36 |
| fenn | oh well | 05:36 |
| fenn | kanzure: did you forget to upload that Petri dish PCR paper? i actually thought that sounded interesting | 05:42 |
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| fenn | hmm. i didnt mean the civ tech tree code was worth anything | 05:50 |
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| kanzure | fenn: somehow i doubt you would have used google history in 2005 | 07:51 |
| kanzure | even if you would have known about it | 07:51 |
| kanzure | the laser PCR paper was uploaded ninto the microfluidics directory and i fucked up the link | 07:52 |
| kanzure | this isn't it but related: http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/PCR%20-%20Nanodroplet%20real-time%20PCR%20system%20with%20laser%20assisted%20heating.pdf | 07:53 |
| kanzure | this is it: http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/Petri%20dish%20PCR%20-%20laser-heated%20reactions%20in%20nanoliter%20droplet%20arrays.pdf | 07:53 |
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| kanzure | some images from diybio-nyc: http://akos.maroy.hu/~akos/diybio/ | 08:25 |
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| kanzure | dave cowden wrote a nice little slicer with pythonOCC to slice up STL files. | 09:39 |
| kanzure | into SVG files O.o | 09:39 |
| kanzure | http://dev.forums.reprap.org/read.php?12,20013,23557 | 09:40 |
| kanzure | http://home.bluedirt.org/OccSlicer/ | 09:41 |
| kanzure | so.. since when did google let you search with regular expressions? http://www.google.com/codesearch | 09:56 |
| kanzure | "only in class and function names" | 09:56 |
| kanzure | hm http://www.google.com/codesearch/p?hl=en#3xYuwD7nknk/repos/ITAPS/cgm/trunk/geom/SolidWorks/SWQueryEngine.cpp&q=solidworks&sa=N&cd=20&ct=rc | 10:01 |
| Utopiah | never thought about DIY chemitry like that, group of elerdly chemists looking for a nice way to g http://www.exitinternational.net/ 0_o | 10:13 |
| fenn | austinites might wish to check this out: http://forum.fatmanandcircuitgirl.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=181 | 10:57 |
| kanzure | "and probably will have a Staubli 6-axis robot by that time too" | 10:59 |
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| fenn | oops that was jan 2009 | 11:01 |
| fenn | nevermind | 11:01 |
| * fenn wonders why all the forum posts are from january 2009 | 11:02 | |
| kanzure | does anyone have CATSysRunBrw.dll? | 11:10 |
| ybit | fenn: do you know which ones, they aren't listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_circles#Causes | 11:45 |
| ybit | anyway, i've a feeling it's the usual advice which would help me: sleep, exercise, adequate diet, balance | 11:46 |
| Utopiah | boringly correct | 11:46 |
| any01805028 | i would look at that pic on wikipedia forever and never see any "dark circles" | 11:49 |
| ybit | google regex has been around before google web history :) | 11:49 |
| ybit | ftr kanzure ^ | 11:51 |
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| ybit | kanzure: will you append the missing web history to !logs | 11:53 |
| ybit | !logs | 11:53 |
| hplusbot | ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/irclogs.txt | 11:53 |
| ybit | http://github.com/slepp :: filebin.ca and pastebin.ca source code | 12:14 |
| ybit | perhaps we could implement filebin on designfiles and then give some date option or let it be known how long the file will last? | 12:15 |
| ybit | AP covers mindshare: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2595357/mindshare_la_where_scenesters_and_intellectuals.html?cat=15 | 12:16 |
| kanzure | ybit: i like that idea | 12:25 |
| kanzure | maybe we can get the diybio/om peeps to start using it :( | 12:26 |
| ybit | that was the point, scribd _is_ annoying | 12:26 |
| fenn | is it just me or are "real journalist" newspaper articles worse than ever these day? | 12:27 |
| * kanzure grins | 12:29 | |
| kanzure | from skdb import solidworks | 12:29 |
| * kanzure watches the magic happen | 12:29 | |
| fenn | please no! | 12:29 |
| kanzure | i'm kidding :) i dunno where i'm going to put this though | 12:29 |
| fenn | what are you trying to do with solidworks? | 12:30 |
| fenn | just make generic python bindings? | 12:30 |
| kanzure | dunno. just playing around. | 12:31 |
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| fenn | (could be a project in its own right) | 12:31 |
| kanzure | i have solidworks dll files imported through ctypes running under wine | 12:31 |
| ybit | Noam Chomsky on OSE: "Interesting ideas, I don't know of anything quite like it" | 12:31 |
| kanzure | i have no idea how i'm going to figure out the parameters it wants | 12:32 |
| kanzure | the functions i mean | 12:32 |
| genehacker | OSE? | 12:32 |
| genehacker | oh | 12:32 |
| kanzure | ?BuildFromSTEP@CATUnicodeString@@QAEHPBD@Z hm.. | 12:38 |
| ybit | "The third goal is to combine the work of the CandyFab project with that of Open3dp to produce an open-source powder-bed printer. With some development, this machine will be able to make ceramic and opaque glass objects and bind metal powder for heat sintering." | 12:45 |
| kanzure | ooh it's in pkzip | 12:48 |
| kanzure | hm pkunzip isn't in the repos? | 12:49 |
| ybit | stephen olesen re: storage time on filebin.ca: "Hello, I have yet to delete anything, ever, from filebin (except by request). The idea behind it is that frequently accessed files or combined with the size of the files will dictate which files get removed (frequently accessed ones will stay longer). I'd say there's a good probability any file you put up will stick around another year or two, at least." | 12:50 |
| fenn | storage is absurdly cheap these days | 12:51 |
| fenn | $0.09/GB | 12:53 |
| fenn | at minimum wage you could store 16MB/s continuously | 12:55 |
| fenn | of course you have to sleep and spend money on other things | 12:55 |
| fenn | funny that you can buy hard drives faster than it's possible to write to a single disk | 12:56 |
| fenn | most disks top out at around 15MB/s | 12:57 |
| fenn | well, the cheap crap i buy at least | 12:57 |
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| kanzure | are you sure you can buy faster than you can write? because somewhere, someone has to be doing a write when you buy | 12:58 |
| fenn | you mean the CIA snooping every bit i send to the drive? | 12:59 |
| fenn | time traveling robots from the future? | 13:00 |
| kanzure | er.. no. to buy something, you need to tell the stores (that's a write) | 13:00 |
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| fenn | ok so i actually tested some stuff and my hard disk is 50MB/s; flash cards were 15MB/s | 13:02 |
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| kanzure | fenn: gohan is still ticking. | 13:37 |
| kanzure | honestly i'm impressed | 13:37 |
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| ybit | kanzure: | 14:08 |
| ybit | whoops | 14:08 |
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| genehacker | http://melikyan.blogspot.com/2010/01/era-of-black-boxes.html | 14:16 |
| ybit | http://www.spsneo.com/scripts/poststatus.tar.gz | 14:16 |
| ybit | http://spsneo.com/blog/2010/01/20/post-pidgin-and-twitter-status-from-command-line/ | 14:19 |
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| Utopiah | http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-01/darpas-economic-fix-make-manufacturing-sector-run-semiconductor-biz | 15:02 |
| genehacker | wow | 15:04 |
| genehacker | now that was unexpected | 15:04 |
| genehacker | hope they fund some stuff to make manufacturing more flexible | 15:05 |
| Utopiah | (supposed to be in http://www.tvworldwide.com/events/pcast/100107/default.cfm?id=11932&type=flv&test=0&live=0 too) | 15:06 |
| ybit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Q9tuSaCYA :: what's new in firefox 3.6 | 15:23 |
| * fenn reads about bourke engines... probably less boring than what you guys are up to | 15:42 | |
| fenn | i want to make a really small one and crank it up to 20krpm | 15:45 |
| fenn | an integrated linear alternator would be neat too | 15:46 |
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| QuantumG | make a fuel pump for me ;) | 15:53 |
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| kanzure | ybit: fyi, sam putman is angry about gnusha since it's the same as replab.. so that has to be resolved eventually | 16:08 |
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| CIA-30 | skdb: kanzure * r dde062a / (3 files in 2 dirs): found some bugs in the unit tests; minor octopart.py update | 16:21 |
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| kanzure | wtf | 16:32 |
| kanzure | "pySVG is distributed under a dual license. It is free software for noncommercial purposes, available under a GPL-style open source license and for other purposes can be purchased. " | 16:32 |
| kanzure | it can't be GPL for "noncommercial purposes" | 16:32 |
| QuantumG | must be the MySQL definition of GPL | 16:33 |
| QuantumG | it's GPL until it interferes with out business of selling commercial licences, then we'll become more jewish than hanukkah | 16:35 |
| kanzure | fenn: what's your svg library of choice with python? | 16:36 |
| kanzure | pycairo seems to only work for 2.6 which isn't bad but somewhat annoying | 16:36 |
| kanzure | http://makerfaire.com/bayarea/2010/entry/ deadline: march 31st | 16:47 |
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| futuresoon | kanzure: anything ever happen with marcin and OSE? i don't see anything on the replab board lately | 17:05 |
| futuresoon | kanzure: they've been turning off their server or something lately too i guess. at least the web has been down | 17:05 |
| kanzure | dunno. wish someone would tell me. | 17:10 |
| kanzure | looks like cycloidal.py uses cairo. guess i'll use that too | 17:18 |
| kanzure | and 1.8.8 is 2.6 only, but 1.8.4 seems to work with 2.5 | 17:19 |
| kanzure | which is what's in debian's repos anyway | 17:19 |
| ybit | futuresoon: they've been having isp issues, and marcin has been discussing with bkero and mrclif about using their services | 17:22 |
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| bkero | :3 | 17:24 |
| QuantumG | http://singularityhub.com/2010/01/21/igniting-a-brain-computer-interface-revolution-bci-x-prize/ | 17:26 |
| ybit | bkero: how's that going btw? | 17:34 |
| QuantumG | "vision to the blind, GPS to the willing" is a very nice catchphrase | 17:35 |
| bkero | ybit: Up and running. There were some issues with getting the domain A record pointing at me. | 17:35 |
| QuantumG | http://www.bitcortex.com/2010/01/03/brain-computer-interfaces-inputoutput-vs-readwrite/ | 17:36 |
| * katsmeow-afk is glad ybit missed the 5:30 tornado | 18:10 | |
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| kanzure | huh solidworks has libcurl compiled into it | 19:09 |
| Utopiah | for updates? | 19:12 |
| kanzure | dunno | 19:12 |
| kanzure | CURLFileOpen | 19:12 |
| kanzure | ?OnOpenEventUrlfileopen1@CURLFileOpen@@IAEXXZ | 19:12 |
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| kanzure | hello thesnark | 19:50 |
| thesnark | hello kanzure | 19:51 |
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| ybit | http://lib.bioinfo.pl/auid:5113128 | 20:10 |
| futuresoon | kanzure: i have a private server where i currently host people. you think bkero and mrclif have it covered? | 20:36 |
| kanzure | dunno, it's been taking them a while | 20:46 |
| bkero | Its beemn up with me for a few days | 20:52 |
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| kanzure | ocrap | 20:57 |
| kanzure | yes it is :) | 20:57 |
| kanzure | i seem to max out at 40 people/day in online communication | 21:07 |
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| kanzure | it doesn't do much except help figure out what functions/objects are available: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/solidworks.py | 21:52 |
| kanzure | run it under python 2.6 under wine | 21:53 |
| thesnark | futuresoon YOU HOST PEOPLE?! | 21:56 |
| thesnark | :) I had to | 21:57 |
| genehacker | "a Free and Open Source Disaster Management system" - http://haiti.sahanafoundation.org/prod/ | 21:57 |
| genehacker | anyone have "programming, web development, Python, or GIS experience" | 21:58 |
| kanzure | sure | 21:58 |
| genehacker | "please email me (scopatz@mail.utexas.edu) or our Google Group (import-rescue@googlegroups.com) ASAP. " | 21:59 |
| genehacker | forwarding | 21:59 |
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| ybit | how do you drop from #3 to #4 in the google search results for open manufacturing? | 22:57 |
| ybit | while links to the site increase | 22:57 |
| katsmeow-afk | other sites incresae faster | 23:03 |
| ybit | but we are replaced with a year old article | 23:05 |
| katsmeow-afk | i dunno,, is your robots.txt restrictive? | 23:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | i can engage in more wag if you like :-) | 23:07 |
| futuresoon | ybit: doesn't matter how old the article is, but how much link juice it has | 23:09 |
| futuresoon | ybit: you can also lose link juice by linking to the wrong things yourself (dunno if that's happening) | 23:10 |
| futuresoon | ybit: magical explanations i know but this is my limited understanding of link mana | 23:10 |
| futuresoon | ybit: using good SEO? | 23:10 |
| futuresoon | http://drupal.org/project/seo_checklist | 23:11 |
| kanzure | we could go all blackhat on it if you want | 23:11 |
| kanzure | xpymep, and usch | 23:11 |
| futuresoon | kanzure: doesn't that not work, primarily via some kind of generalized backfire mechanism? | 23:11 |
| kanzure | no | 23:12 |
| kanzure | it still works :) | 23:12 |
| kanzure | although not for high competition keywords | 23:12 |
| futuresoon | kanzure: oh well stuff that works is pretty sweet | 23:13 |
| * kanzure nods | 23:13 | |
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| futuresoon | why can't i find gridbeam on the futures market at the chicago mercantile exchange. is this something we should think about? | 23:15 |
| futuresoon | it's not possible to make square tubing other than with progressive dies right? multi-hundred thousand dollar factories and what-not? | 23:17 |
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| futuresoon | basically i want to use the phrase "gridbeam is in backwardation" at some point in my life | 23:20 |
| genehacker | yeah gridbeam is made with weird dies | 23:49 |
| genehacker | can you find screws on the futures market? | 23:50 |
| genehacker | oh I thought you meant that other system | 23:53 |
| genehacker | there are ways to make grid beam other than with progressive dies and multihundered thousand dollar factories... but it doesn't make any economic sense | 23:55 |
| futuresoon | i think that's whacktastic | 00:08 |
| futuresoon | you into diy bio? | 00:08 |
| genehacker | you're in #hplusroadmap | 00:08 |
| genehacker | what do you think? | 00:08 |
| genehacker | yes I am | 00:08 |
| futuresoon | genehacker: i dunno, i originally came here to find kanzure because of an interest in open source ecology | 00:09 |
| futuresoon | cool | 00:09 |
| genehacker | and I want to make a DNA synthesizer | 00:09 |
| futuresoon | i've been trying to find information on diy blood breath and urine tests for metabolytes | 00:09 |
| genehacker | in order to make a DNA synthesizer I need to make the chemicals for it | 00:09 |
| futuresoon | i made a cursory search of the biohacker community but i don't see anything really | 00:09 |
| futuresoon | coolness | 00:09 |
| genehacker | in order to do that I need microreactor or something | 00:10 |
| kanzure | sounds like you're looking for microarrays | 00:10 |
| futuresoon | kanzure: me? i am | 00:10 |
| kanzure | or really any array | 00:10 |
| futuresoon | ? | 00:10 |
| kanzure | yes | 00:10 |
| genehacker | that's what I want to do to | 00:10 |
| genehacker | so the problem with testing for stuff | 00:10 |
| genehacker | is doing it consistently | 00:10 |
| genehacker | and anyway there isn't much going on in the biohacker community | 00:11 |
| genehacker | it's sort of in the state mainframe hacking was in | 00:11 |
| futuresoon | kanzure: yup, that's a lead. thanks | 00:12 |
| futuresoon | microarrays feasible in DIY? | 00:12 |
| kanzure | futuresoon: you will probably find some interesting stuff here: http://designfiles.org/papers/ | 00:12 |
| kanzure | yes | 00:12 |
| genehacker | kanzure you got a nice cheap way to make microarrays I don't know about? | 00:12 |
| kanzure | manually? | 00:12 |
| kanzure | genehacker: did you see the laser PCR papers? | 00:14 |
| genehacker | no | 00:14 |
| kanzure | petri dish PCR: http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/Petri%20dish%20PCR%20-%20laser-heated%20reactions%20in%20nanoliter%20droplet%20arrays.pdf | 00:15 |
| genehacker | that's cool | 00:18 |
| kanzure | http://biofab.org/ | 00:21 |
| futuresoon | genehacker: do you know what the varying interest levels are for genomics, proteomics and metabolite analysis? | 00:21 |
| futuresoon | genehacker: from what i hear it's mostly dna---is that for a reason? | 00:21 |
| kanzure | interest levels? what? | 00:22 |
| futuresoon | kanzure: as in, i assume there's a lot more interest in genomics than proteomics, and much more in proteomics than metabolomics | 00:22 |
| kanzure | there's a lot of people interested in the results of metabolomics for sure | 00:23 |
| futuresoon | kanzure: i'm wondering if that's the case and if that's for technical reasons | 00:23 |
| kanzure | but right now people are working on basic infrastructure to play with dna and do related experiments | 00:23 |
| kanzure | yeah, it's hard to do metabome engineering with no lab equipment | 00:23 |
| kanzure | i guess you can do some bioinformatics, but it's no fun when you can't confirm | 00:23 |
| kanzure | *metabolome | 00:24 |
| futuresoon | i hadn't even considered engineering metabolites | 00:24 |
| futuresoon | i was thinking of just measurement, observation | 00:24 |
| kanzure | oh | 00:24 |
| futuresoon | that's much more interesting than DNA to me | 00:24 |
| futuresoon | what do i care what could potentially be expressed as much as either what is expressed (proteomics) or even more importantly, what's happening from moment to moment over time | 00:25 |
| futuresoon | so either there's some reasoning on a philosophical level i don't know about or it's just too difficult in practice | 00:25 |
| kanzure | it's not a matter of what could potentially be expressed.. it's about reprogramming it from moment to moment | 00:26 |
| kanzure | and recreating your programs | 00:26 |
| genehacker | I don't know I need to level up | 00:26 |
| futuresoon | i think of metabolites as the standard output | 00:26 |
| futuresoon | if i don't know what that is, how do i know what i did to the program | 00:27 |
| kanzure | sure | 00:27 |
| kanzure | no arguments there | 00:27 |
| futuresoon | oligonucleotides are real big right? | 00:27 |
| futuresoon | maybe that's it | 00:27 |
| futuresoon | i need to level up too | 00:28 |
| futuresoon | here's my first cross reference of "microarrays" and "metabolite" http://www.signaling-gateway.org/update/updates/200912/nmeth1209-864b.html interesting so far | 00:30 |
| futuresoon | A key advantage of this array approach is that, by focusing on biochemically relevant interactions, it becomes essentially species-independent. "The molecules that the array contains are universal for all forms of life; in fact, the metabolites collectively represent the central metabolic pathways of all cellular systems," says Ferrer. "For this reason, it may be useful for any kind of sample, ranging from single cells, to | 00:32 |
| futuresoon | environmental samples, to tissues, blood samples and so on." | 00:32 |
| futuresoon | interesting. did not know that | 00:32 |
| futuresoon | so you can use the same microarray chip (hereafter, "thingie") for almost anything living, i guess | 00:34 |
| futuresoon | whereas this dna ("other thingie") chip sounds like it has to be re-engineered every time | 00:34 |
| genehacker | not really | 00:39 |
| futuresoon | genehacker: on which count? | 00:40 |
| genehacker | the DNA chip is easier to reengineer | 00:43 |
| genehacker | you're talking about DNA microarrays right? | 00:44 |
| genehacker | if you're looking for a specific DNA sequence they're great | 00:44 |
| genehacker | IE finding if you're sick with X virus | 00:44 |
| futuresoon | dna microarrays versus some kind of "metabolite microarray" | 00:44 |
| genehacker | peptide arrays? | 00:45 |
| futuresoon | i'm reading an article where protein arrays are used | 00:45 |
| futuresoon | but i don't know if that's the same as the first one or not | 00:45 |
| genehacker | I've heard there are problems with those | 00:45 |
| genehacker | oh that could be that new carbohydrate array thing | 00:45 |
| kanzure | you can use aptamers (folded DNA sequences) to detect metabolites too, btw | 00:46 |
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| futuresoon | kanzure: sounds like that may be the state of the art | 00:52 |
| kanzure | it's been around for a while | 00:52 |
| futuresoon | The generation of high density multiplexed aptamer arrays for molecular diagnostics was first proposed nearly ten years ago for the quantification of the thousands of proteins within biological samples, including blood and urine. | 00:52 |
| futuresoon | exactly what i'm looking for | 00:52 |
| kanzure | futuresoon: here's some papers on aptamers: http://designfiles.org/papers/ellington/ | 00:56 |
| futuresoon | kanzure: sweet :-) | 00:56 |
| futuresoon | sudo chmod -R a+r | 00:57 |
| kanzure | are they non-read? | 00:57 |
| futuresoon | think so | 00:57 |
| kanzure | oh crap | 00:57 |
| kanzure | okay fixed | 00:57 |
| futuresoon | magic :-) | 00:57 |
| futuresoon | i am still not over the internet | 00:57 |
| kanzure | ? | 00:58 |
| futuresoon | i think people should be completely ridiculously excited all the time about the times we live in | 00:58 |
| futuresoon | everything's so great yet everybody's so unhappy | 00:58 |
| futuresoon | i suffer from this too | 00:59 |
| kanzure | um, ok | 00:59 |
| genehacker | it's what happens to technology that becomes ubiquitous | 01:06 |
| genehacker | I hope that in the future biotech and reprap becomes ubiquitous | 01:07 |
| genehacker | who cares about people taking it for granted all that matters is what you can do with it | 01:07 |
| futuresoon | hey, i'm with you | 01:15 |
| futuresoon | i just also think it's awesome that i can be seated mid-air at 30,000 feet | 01:15 |
| kanzure | "that chimpanzees have a better photographic memory than people" <-- buh? | 01:16 |
| genehacker | dammit | 01:16 |
| genehacker | I need to read that article on grid cells | 01:16 |
| futuresoon | kanzure: absolutely | 01:16 |
| futuresoon | kanzure: you give chimps a sequence of disappearing numbers for a split second and they can point to where 13 of them were in sequence | 01:16 |
| futuresoon | a human can do like 3 | 01:16 |
| futuresoon | kanzure: probably because there's only so much attention and it's been diverted from photographic recall into an internal verbal monologue | 01:17 |
| futuresoon | kanzure: not me. i'm as smart as a chimp | 01:18 |
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| spsneo | ybit: hi | 02:55 |
| spsneo | kanzure: hi | 02:55 |
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| fenn | interesting, the military is using a descendant of the bourke engine ("opoc") in their small APU's | 08:17 |
| fenn | futuresoon/genehacker, no particular reason grid beam tubing couldn't be seam welded out of sheet metal | 08:23 |
| fenn | i'm pretty sure that's how they do it already | 08:23 |
| fenn | anyway it's called telestrut if you want to buy it mass produced | 08:24 |
| fenn | i love how "l-3 communications" is the sixth largest defense provider | 08:29 |
| * fenn is browsing http://www.l-3com.com/products-services/ | 08:30 | |
| fenn | word of the day: "microbolometer" | 08:33 |
| thesnark | fenn who is number one? and why is that odd? | 08:44 |
| fenn | the dog movie is pretty cool (and funny too) http://www.morovision.com/thermal_imagers/MNV-UTM.htm | 08:58 |
| fenn | er, the third movie that is | 09:00 |
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| kanzure | "the replicator, no longer a star trek dream" http://thetyee.ca/News/2010/01/22/Replicator/ (it's just about neil and such) | 10:18 |
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| kanzure | jeremiah was looking at an hp pavilion dv6-1375dx laptop. these things are coming with 6GB DDR3 these days?? | 11:05 |
| futuresoon | fenn: you can make a seam but you can't make a corner | 12:13 |
| futuresoon | fenn: you can use a regular good old fashioned hand-crank die to make a cylindrical tube but the moment you try to make a corner you're talking about rolling it along several 10s of meters of expensive factory | 12:14 |
| futuresoon | fenn: i'm no industry pro. it's just shaping up to look that way so far from my pokings-around | 12:15 |
| kanzure | A synchronized quorum of genetic clocks http://designfiles.org/papers/A%20synchronized%20quorum%20of%20genetic%20clocks.pdf | 12:19 |
| futuresoon | fenn: oh i get it, seam weld all corners, not just the last one---you sure telestrut does it that way? | 12:20 |
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| kanzure | patents for modafinil expire in 2011 | 13:57 |
| ybit | that is good news | 14:06 |
| ybit | i wonder what it takes to become a pharmaceutical manufacturer | 14:07 |
| any10421154 | the ability to charge $5 per pill and collect it | 14:12 |
| ybit | but with modafinil being regulated, i don't think that's all that's required | 14:13 |
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| ybit | which is required* | 14:13 |
| ybit | hi thesnark | 14:13 |
| thesnark | hey ybit | 14:13 |
| ybit | holy toledo o.O | 14:13 |
| any10421154 | i kow, i was being snarky before he got here | 14:13 |
| ybit | sorry, just had to | 14:13 |
| thesnark | =D | 14:14 |
| Utopiah | ybit: a portfolio of chemical components in a large automated laboratory but overall an even more expensive army of sexy sellers to harass the local doctor | 14:14 |
| any10421154 | and the FDA, etc | 14:15 |
| ybit | well, i was thinking more along the lines of manufacturing it on-site, having the local doctor(s) prescribe it at will | 14:15 |
| kanzure | "at will" | 14:15 |
| Utopiah | ybit: maybe you should check Brazil work with the generics | 14:15 |
| ybit | wouldn't it be nice if the psychiatrist was also the guy helping to manufacture the pills | 14:16 |
| any10421154 | i once discovered i could make a TENS for $50 , but it would cost $500 after all the kickbacks | 14:16 |
| ybit | or just form my own research park that does everything :) | 14:16 |
| ybit | or take over a town | 14:17 |
| ybit | e.g. killen alabama with a total population of just over 2k | 14:17 |
| ybit | or do both, hrm :) | 14:18 |
| Utopiah | Covaris S2 integrated in Tecan robot at GSK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGOyLEQCr4M | 14:18 |
| any10421154 | you think you can get funding for a startupp in Alabama?? | 14:19 |
| ybit | yeah, from my own experience, it's not difficult raising money for NPOs | 14:22 |
| kanzure | the "oh crap ybit needs modafinil" foundation | 14:23 |
| * any10421154 ponders the giving of sex to doctors as bribes to prescribe drugs,, as an npo | 14:23 | |
| kanzure | if i would have suggested that you would have killed me | 14:23 |
| ybit | i ike the name suggestion by one of my friends here the 'freaks on a field' foundation | 14:23 |
| ybit | either one works for me though :) | 14:24 |
| kanzure | anyway, does it have to be prescribed by an american doctor? | 14:24 |
| ybit | there's so much to cipher through | 14:24 |
| ybit | i need to be able to grep through all the laws | 14:24 |
| Utopiah | harder to read that crappy code :/ | 14:25 |
| ybit | think i'm going to create a git repository on gitorious for the county and state laws | 14:26 |
| Utopiah | with includes all around the place, dynamic changes,pointer everywhere :/ | 14:26 |
| ybit | ttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=eJl&q=pharmaceutical+site%3Alaw.cornell.edu%2Fuscode%2F&aq=f&aql=&aqi=&oq= | 14:28 |
| ybit | and | 14:30 |
| ybit | http://www.google.com/search?q=pharmaceutical+site%3Agpoaccess.gov&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a | 14:30 |
| ybit | but these searches aren't helping me much | 14:30 |
| any10421154 | alabama will preempt the ederal laws every chance they get anyhow | 14:31 |
| any10421154 | bbl | 14:31 |
| kanzure | ybit: i'd ask diybio if anyone could write up some pointers on where to grab information for taking over big pharma | 14:43 |
| kanzure | i'm sure there's someone who as at least worked as a janitor in a drug company on that list :/ | 14:43 |
| any10421154 | so this is what Avatar was about : The study, involving scientists from the University of Cincinnati, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and the Canadian Department of Agriculture, included volunteers in their 70s. One group drank the equivalent of 2 to 2.5 cups of blueberry juice every day for two months. | 14:44 |
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| ybit | any10421154: huh? | 14:56 |
| ybit | kanzure: i'm waiting on someone from the fda to contact me | 14:56 |
| ybit | specifically lisa rofka or something like that (tough last name to spell) | 14:57 |
| ybit | 14:39 < pfred1> ybit I know when pharma companies do drug runs they cannot reuse equipment | 15:00 |
| ybit | 4:40 < pfred1> ybit I've made some pretty good coin because of it too! | 15:00 |
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| kanzure | they can't reuse equipment? | 15:03 |
| kanzure | what the hell? | 15:03 |
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| ybit | that's a question for the janitor at the pharma companies :P | 15:04 |
| ybit | hi genehacker | 15:04 |
| ybit | call the fda drug dept and ask: 3017963400 | 15:05 |
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| kanzure | heh i should call up with a completely inappropriate question | 15:09 |
| kanzure | "hi, uhh.. you there? i have a distillation column that's been overheating, and the amines are escaping all over the hydroxyls" | 15:09 |
| ybit | idea to get email addresses | 15:11 |
| ybit | create a quizes | 15:11 |
| kanzure | ? | 15:11 |
| kanzure | a quizes | 15:11 |
| ybit | -a | 15:11 |
| kanzure | is this some sort of chemical | 15:11 |
| kanzure | oh :( | 15:11 |
| ybit | 'what animal are you' for instance and at the end ask them to sign to get the results | 15:11 |
| ybit | see http://www.espin.com/quizzes/what-animal-are-you for an example | 15:11 |
| kanzure | yeah they already do that | 15:12 |
| kanzure | it's called spam | 15:12 |
| ybit | yeah i know | 15:12 |
| ybit | an idea for the spam business in austin, just saying :) | 15:12 |
| genehacker | UAV AIR SPAM | 15:26 |
| genehacker | fenn you have that rotovator paper that had the cost of a rotovator? | 15:27 |
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| ybit | kanzure and anyone who knows anything about pokemon: http://8bitcollective.com/music/Perry/Pokemon+Tower+Preacher+m1x+%28feat.+XyNo%29/ | 15:53 |
| ybit | it's funny and sad | 15:53 |
| kanzure | http://schepers.cc/svg/animation/cogs.svg | 16:01 |
| genehacker | are those cogs supposed to rotate? | 16:06 |
| genehacker | THEY AREN'T MESHING PROPERLY! THEY AREN'T MESHING PROPERLY! WHY DON'T THEY MESH PROPERLY! | 16:07 |
| kanzure | shepazu: heh :) | 16:07 |
| shepazu | because I did this by hand :) | 16:07 |
| shepazu | mind you, so did charles babbage | 16:08 |
| genehacker | lol at that pokemon thing ybit | 16:08 |
| genehacker | did what? | 16:08 |
| kanzure | mechanical computation | 16:08 |
| genehacker | the gear thing? | 16:08 |
| shepazu | genehacker: I hand-coded the gears in SVG | 16:08 |
| genehacker | oh | 16:08 |
| shepazu | it was just a rough draft I showed kanzure | 16:08 |
| genehacker | babbage machine sucks | 16:08 |
| shepazu | au contraire! | 16:09 |
| shepazu | babbage engine is a thing a of pure beauty | 16:09 |
| Utopiah | :) | 16:09 |
| genehacker | it's analog so it produces tiny errors in the printing plates it produces | 16:09 |
| genehacker | it is awesome though | 16:09 |
| genehacker | have you seen the remade one at the computer history museum in san diego? | 16:10 |
| shepazu | I saw one working at the Computer History Museum, actually got to touch it and read off the figures | 16:10 |
| shepazu | genehacker: :) | 16:10 |
| genehacker | anyway, I'm writing a gear generation script for some nonconventional gears so gears have been driving me insane | 16:10 |
| shepazu | when they fabbed it, they introduced an artificial margin of error in the cutter to ensure that it only had the mechanical precision possible at the time babbage designed it | 16:11 |
| genehacker | oh dang I didn't know they did that | 16:11 |
| shepazu | and used only materials and alloys available at the time | 16:12 |
| shepazu | of course, they used a laser cutter | 16:12 |
| genehacker | and some cnc machines of course? | 16:12 |
| shepazu | ftw, srsly | 16:12 |
| genehacker | still it's quite a cool computer | 16:13 |
| kanzure | what happened to it sucking | 16:13 |
| genehacker | I think analog computers are cool | 16:13 |
| genehacker | the performance sucks | 16:13 |
| genehacker | in comparison to modern computers | 16:13 |
| shepazu | and the difference engine is only a glorified calculator, not an actual programmable computer | 16:14 |
| genehacker | yeah it's analog computer | 16:14 |
| genehacker | it's pretty much just an approximation of a function | 16:14 |
| shepazu | but for the time... and the fact that babbage drew out plans and diagrams with such precision that when put together a century later it simply worked? madness | 16:15 |
| genehacker | for some cool stuff on mechanical analog computing see Basic Fire Control Mechanisms | 16:15 |
| genehacker | its a Navy manual for battle ship gun aiming mechanisms | 16:15 |
| shepazu | pretty much the only thing he got wrong was the differentials in the crank... they had to add another gear so it could be hand-cranked by a human | 16:16 |
| genehacker | and how they work written in a format anyone can understand | 16:16 |
| * shepazu would love to get a Curta math grenade | 16:16 | |
| genehacker | I wonder if there are cad files for the Curta... | 16:17 |
| shepazu | that's a great question | 16:18 |
| shepazu | there should be | 16:18 |
| shepazu | I'm sure someone has taken it apart and drawn out the gearing | 16:18 |
| shepazu | http://www.vcalc.net/disassy/ | 16:19 |
| shepazu | step 1 | 16:19 |
| Utopiah | nice | 16:20 |
| shepazu | kanzure: the scientologists tried *what* with SeaOrg? | 16:51 |
| kanzure | shepazu: that wasn't me, it was patri friedman presenting about the seasteading institute | 16:51 |
| kanzure | http://seasteading.org/ living on the seas | 16:52 |
| shepazu | ah, cool | 16:52 |
| genehacker | did it work? | 16:53 |
| shepazu | kanzure: watching your vid... you a Greg Egan fan? | 16:53 |
| kanzure | yeah | 16:54 |
| kanzure | also a greg benford fan | 16:54 |
| kanzure | and greg bear fan | 16:54 |
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| genehacker | I thought those ships went back to shore a lot | 16:55 |
| genehacker | they were shore supplied at the very least? | 16:55 |
| shepazu | not *quite* in the same league, but you might like Alastair Reynolds, and certainly Iain M Banks | 16:56 |
| any10421154 | only to the extent fishing ships supply TO the shore | 16:56 |
| kanzure | shepazu: yes, ian banks is good too | 16:56 |
| genehacker | I've heard of people living in boats off the coast of san diego | 16:57 |
| genehacker | they do this so they can get around american visa limitations so they can work for companies there | 16:57 |
| any10421154 | there's some rocks at the surface about a days drive west of San Diego, but i have yet to find webpage for anyoneliving out there | 16:58 |
| genehacker | islands? | 16:58 |
| any10421154 | tour /scuba boats run out to the area | 16:58 |
| any10421154 | no, rocks | 16:58 |
| genehacker | those are US territory | 16:58 |
| any10421154 | well, usa eez runs out 200 miles | 16:59 |
| any10421154 | states were recently allowed to patrol out that far too, as of late 2008 | 16:59 |
| any10421154 | there are a few seamounts out further, which are unclaimed | 17:01 |
| shepazu | there are hundreds of boats that have been cut free in the US coasts because the owners couldn't afford upkeep in the struggling economy | 17:02 |
| shepazu | lash some of those together... | 17:02 |
| any10421154 | "cut free" ? | 17:02 |
| genehacker | set adrift | 17:03 |
| any10421154 | :-/ | 17:03 |
| genehacker | rafting can be dangerous | 17:03 |
| any10421154 | they'd do that instead of selling them to me for $500 each? | 17:03 |
| genehacker | though I've seen mass amounts of boats rafted together before | 17:03 |
| any10421154 | rafted boats rub holes in each other | 17:03 |
| any10421154 | people who fall tween them can die | 17:04 |
| genehacker | only for temporary occasions like HUEG boat parties | 17:04 |
| genehacker | why? because the bank might take them back anyway... | 17:04 |
| genehacker | sorta like leaving a car you can't payoff in a field somewhere and setting it on fire | 17:05 |
| any10421154 | oh,, unpaidfor boats | 17:05 |
| genehacker | oh and because you have to pay to keep the boat somewhere | 17:05 |
| genehacker | and usually no one will buy them, even if they are $500 | 17:06 |
| any10421154 | yea, but it wold have been cheaper for me to buy a boat than to build a new one | 17:06 |
| genehacker | when'd you start building a boat? | 17:06 |
| any10421154 | i have $1000's in steel | 17:06 |
| genehacker | before the economic downturn? | 17:06 |
| any10421154 | 2yrs ago, got one 16ft licensed and afloat, stillw orking on the 43ft one | 17:07 |
| kanzure | genehacker: i have been working on a microfluidics package for skdb | 17:08 |
| kanzure | right now i have it automatically rendering to SVG to give it to a laser cutter or inkjet printer | 17:08 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure though how to assign the location of the first part put onto the chip | 17:08 |
| kanzure | suppose you put down a world-to-chip interface. where should it go by default? | 17:08 |
| genehacker | world to chip interface? | 17:09 |
| kanzure | the giant hole for pneumatic/liquid lines | 17:09 |
| genehacker | btw what material do you intend to make microfluidic circuits out of? | 17:09 |
| genehacker | oh | 17:09 |
| kanzure | dunno | 17:09 |
| genehacker | on the edges of the chip of course | 17:10 |
| kanzure | nope not always | 17:10 |
| genehacker | sounds like your using poly carbonate | 17:10 |
| kanzure | if you look at images of chips you see them all over the place | 17:10 |
| genehacker | as that's what laser cutters cut | 17:10 |
| genehacker | that's what electrical chips use | 17:10 |
| kanzure | i'd like to try different materials, sure | 17:10 |
| genehacker | well what's going into and out of the chip? | 17:11 |
| kanzure | liquids | 17:11 |
| kanzure | and possibly air or some other gas sometimes | 17:11 |
| kanzure | anyway | 17:11 |
| genehacker | air, water, beads, proteins? | 17:11 |
| genehacker | don | 17:11 |
| kanzure | could be anything | 17:11 |
| genehacker | don't forget about beads | 17:11 |
| kanzure | maybe i should just use a centering algorithm | 17:12 |
| kanzure | by default, everything goes in the center | 17:12 |
| genehacker | fluid viscosity and properties might constrain hole location | 17:12 |
| kanzure | meh, this is a prototype | 17:12 |
| kanzure | no CFD | 17:12 |
| genehacker | CFD hahaha | 17:13 |
| genehacker | you don't need CFD for stuff like this | 17:13 |
| kanzure | for what stuff? | 17:13 |
| genehacker | especially at low RE | 17:13 |
| kanzure | placing parts at a location? | 17:13 |
| genehacker | no calculating pressure drop in a pipe | 17:13 |
| genehacker | unless you run em at high RE which some people have actually done | 17:14 |
| genehacker | high RE = the liquid moves supersonically | 17:15 |
| genehacker | btw do you have that microfluidics books I scanned? | 17:16 |
| genehacker | it has some useful methods for working out microfluidic networks | 17:16 |
| kanzure | i only have what you scanned | 17:17 |
| genehacker | yeah that's what you need | 17:17 |
| genehacker | microfluidics history theory and applications? | 17:17 |
| kanzure | why do i need it. my question.. er | 17:19 |
| kanzure | blah, go away | 17:19 |
| genehacker | http://www.epigem.co.uk/images/highdensity2.gif | 17:20 |
| genehacker | it will help with circuit design | 17:21 |
| genehacker | something like that above is what you should think about | 17:22 |
| genehacker | circuit design is important for when you're working with live cells | 17:23 |
| genehacker | after all small pressure variations can kill them | 17:23 |
| kanzure | hm i wonder if i should make it do "outlines" of channels, or if a single line should be a single channel | 17:28 |
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| kanzure | "what a biofab-on-a-chip might look like" http://2009.igem.org/wiki/images/1/13/UofA09_MiniBioFab2.png | 18:51 |
| genehacker | seems like it's at a very conceptual stage | 18:54 |
| genehacker | http://2009.igem.org/Jamboree/Project_Abstract/Team_Abstracts | 18:55 |
| genehacker | the first one is neat | 18:55 |
| genehacker | oh dear | 18:56 |
| genehacker | some had a minimal synthetic genome project | 18:59 |
| kanzure | cool: http://lilykim.com/listing-of-microfluidics-lab-on-a-chip-and-biomems-companies/ | 18:59 |
| genehacker | oh wait no | 19:00 |
| genehacker | looks like most are centralized around boston | 19:13 |
| genehacker | errr highest density is in boston | 19:13 |
| kanzure | yeah i get craigslist job listings for microfluidics companies in my search results often. they're usually on boston.craigslist.com more often than not | 19:20 |
| kanzure | hm there aren't many microfluidics CAD systems to steal ideas from | 19:25 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: when you're fiddling around with foreign DLLs, how do you go about figuring out what parameters the functions want? | 19:29 |
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| Redeemer | Greetins. | 19:54 |
| kanzure | hello | 19:56 |
| kanzure | how goes the new laptop | 19:56 |
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| kanzure | can anyone gimme some ideas on what an ideal CAD tool for microfluidics would play like? | 20:56 |
| kanzure | or if you're sitting in a python interpreter, how would you want to add a component to a design | 20:56 |
| kristianpaul | something that look like VHDL code may be | 21:09 |
| kanzure | what if you wanted it to be graphical? | 21:17 |
| nsh | do you know if it's possible to make aliases (references) to python properties? | 21:43 |
| nsh | when you assign a property to another variable "newref = obj.property", you only assign its current value | 21:43 |
| * nsh is trying to work out the idiom from copying by reference | 21:44 | |
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| futuresoon | there's somewhere between a 25 and 30 percent chance bernanke won't be confirmec | 22:00 |
| futuresoon | oops | 22:00 |
| futuresoon | not you guys | 22:00 |
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| fenn | something like liquidPCB i'd think | 01:07 |
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| ybit | http://www.40fires.org/Wiki.jsp?page=The%20hyrban | 01:27 |
| ybit | ^open source hydrogen car | 01:27 |
| ybit | with cad files | 01:27 |
| ybit | http://www.40fires.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Hyrban%20CAD%20models | 01:27 |
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| ybit | .igs files at that | 01:27 |
| ybit | found via p2p research mailing list | 01:28 |
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| fenn | i'm with eric on the "why does it have to look like a butt" issue | 02:16 |
| ybit | because the butt is universal, not everyone is accustomed to owning a penis | 02:17 |
| fenn | hmm | 02:19 |
| fenn | "Entrepreneurs around the world will be able to download drawings and data from this site to enable them to develop and build their own versions of this highly energy-efficient vehicle for their local market. All they will have to pay is a small license fee to 40 Fires, designed to cover 40 Fires running costs." | 02:19 |
| fenn | does this exist in a modern FLOSS implementation somewhere? http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/psiber/pseudoscientific.html | 03:19 |
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| fenn | i never knew about the vapor smoothing process for FDM | 08:32 |
| fenn | http://www.shapeways.com/blog/archives/295-The-Stratasys-FDM-Vapor-Smoothing-process-for-our-White-Glaze-material.html | 08:33 |
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| kanzure | thesnark: have you tried this? http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ | 09:40 |
| kanzure | http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/Download.html | 09:40 |
| thesnark | no, will give a try sometime this weekend | 09:41 |
| kanzure | it's a zooming-typing interface for mouse users | 09:41 |
| kanzure | can anyone find a copy of "computer-generated game narratives"? http://libris.kb.se/bib/10872619 | 09:51 |
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| kanzure | latest article on slashdot: "Over fifty years ago, American Joe Kittinger made history by leaping from a balloon at 102,800 ft, and although many have sought to repeat the feat, all have failed. " | 10:29 |
| kanzure | how can you _fail_ at that | 10:29 |
| kanzure | you just FALL | 10:29 |
| kanzure | "excuse me sir, which way is down?" _no_ | 10:30 |
| fenn | i can think of a number of failure modes | 10:31 |
| kanzure | it doesn't say whether or not joe kittinger survived or not | 10:32 |
| fenn | he survived | 10:34 |
| fenn | otherwise it would have been a failure :P | 10:34 |
| fenn | i didnt read about anyone dying in record attempts | 10:35 |
| fenn | so i guess they failed for other reasons | 10:36 |
| fenn | dasher is interesting | 10:37 |
| fenn | today i've been reading about pie menus | 10:38 |
| kanzure | link to pie menus? | 10:38 |
| kanzure | superkuh: are there any EEG-related papers that distinguish skull muscle signals from evoked potentials? | 10:39 |
| fenn | um, this is a thorough explanation but lacking in pictures: http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/piemenus/ddj/piemenus.html | 10:40 |
| fenn | here's a js demo that doesnt quite get it right: http://markusfisch.de/downloads/PieDockDemo/ | 10:42 |
| kanzure | thesnark: someone suggested using an EEG headset for focusing attention of the user on a multi-monitor setup, i.e. pulling up different windows | 10:43 |
| kanzure | now that sounds sufficiently interesting | 10:43 |
| kanzure | thesnark: what do you think? | 10:43 |
| thesnark | kanzure sounds like something worth pursuing to me | 10:43 |
| thesnark | it's great for training your attention span | 10:44 |
| thesnark | EEGs are I mean | 10:44 |
| fenn | http://www.donhopkins.com/home/movies/PieMenuExperiment.mov or http://www.donhopkins.com/home/movies/PrecisionPieDemo.mov | 10:44 |
| fenn | plz pardon the awful video quality | 10:44 |
| kanzure | thesnark: also it's a good excuse to buy lots of monitors | 10:45 |
| thesnark | kanzure about to leave for the day, will be back on tonight, I can look into things and clarify further then. Sound good? | 10:45 |
| kanzure | yes | 10:45 |
| thesnark | kanzure always a plus :) | 10:45 |
| thesnark | ok, talk to you then | 10:45 |
| kanzure | was there some open source eye tracking software that i've forgotten about? | 10:46 |
| fenn | the graffiti thing? | 10:46 |
| kanzure | hm? | 10:46 |
| fenn | fwiw i am interested in this mostly for head tracking | 10:46 |
| fenn | or eye tracking too i guess | 10:46 |
| fenn | do you remember the gestural text input method? | 10:47 |
| kanzure | PieMenuExperiment.mov is weird.. it looks like a window with only a few options.. i was expecting an actual moving pie diagram | 10:47 |
| kanzure | no, i don't | 10:47 |
| kanzure | like a zooming pie diagram | 10:47 |
| kanzure | where you zoom to the slices and more slices expand or somesuch | 10:48 |
| fenn | "quikwriting" | 10:48 |
| kanzure | wtf is up with these videos | 10:48 |
| fenn | kanzure: yeah that's the eventual idea.. and he has code for nesting menus and such, its just not in that experiment | 10:49 |
| fenn | http://www.mrl.nyu.edu/projects/quikwriting/ | 10:49 |
| fenn | another pie menu demo: http://www.donhopkins.com/home/movies/TheSimsPieMenus.mov | 10:53 |
| fenn | and lots more weird crap here http://www.donhopkins.com/home/movies/ | 10:54 |
| kanzure | oh man eyetyping is slow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvWdwB6nTkk | 10:54 |
| kanzure | 3 to 5 words per minute bwahaha | 10:55 |
| kanzure | hm, single finger text entry at 35wpm | 10:57 |
| fenn | the problem with predictive input methods like dasher is that they change all the time so you can't develop "muscle memory" (i think we've talked about this before) | 10:57 |
| kanzure | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/04/single-finger_text_input_1.html | 10:57 |
| kanzure | oh, it's dasher | 10:57 |
| fenn | dasher makes me nauseous and causes anxiety disorder :P | 10:58 |
| kanzure | maybe it should come with a general surgeon's warning | 10:59 |
| kristianpaul | wow | 11:00 |
| fenn | they should make the letters scale with the size of the box | 11:00 |
| fenn | sort of reminds me of AIXI | 11:01 |
| kanzure | see at 26sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOBs25_g23s&feature=related | 11:01 |
| fenn | the "all possible books" thing | 11:01 |
| kanzure | hah | 11:01 |
| kanzure | i don't know if i should like shorthand stenography or not | 11:03 |
| kanzure | doesn't seem useful for programming | 11:04 |
| fenn | i never bothered figuring out how it actually works | 11:04 |
| fenn | is it just a compression algorithm? | 11:04 |
| fenn | lookup table? | 11:05 |
| kanzure | a very particular string grammar that happens to "compress" sounds | 11:06 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenotype | 11:06 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Steno-example.gif | 11:07 |
| fenn | so that keyboard thingy is based on phonemes? | 11:07 |
| kanzure | the keyboard itself is not, but it seems there's some user-side encoding of information going on | 11:08 |
| fenn | "The system is roughly phonetic, for example the word "cat" would be written by a single stroke comprising the initial K, the vowel A, and the final T" | 11:08 |
| fenn | couldn't we just hook some electrodes up to a person's mouth and havspeak whatever they want to type? | 11:10 |
| * fenn kicks adl | 11:10 | |
| kanzure | damien broderick swears by "dragon naturallyspeaking" | 11:10 |
| kanzure | http://www.nuance.com/naturallyspeaking/ | 11:10 |
| fenn | yeah my mom really likes that. she had to use it after hand surgery | 11:11 |
| fenn | but you have to train it a lot before it works at all, then it works beautifully | 11:11 |
| fenn | and it's windows only for dog only knows | 11:11 |
| fenn | so the "continually improves the more you use it" is not quite right | 11:13 |
| fenn | i'm wondering why we don't get automatic transcripts of youtube videos | 11:13 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_writer what? 350 wpm? the paragraph "A realtime voice writer's.." makes little sense to me | 11:14 |
| fenn | since obviously it doesn't take much processing power | 11:14 |
| fenn | compared to transcoding video at least | 11:14 |
| kanzure | oh, a speech recognition engine | 11:14 |
| fenn | "including gestures and emotional reactions" hahaa | 11:15 |
| fenn | "fenn dances an irish jig with a crazed grin upon his face" | 11:15 |
| kanzure | in shorthand that would be "baboon foolery" | 11:16 |
| fenn | but really i doubt a human has that kind of perceptual bandwidth | 11:16 |
| fenn | digital ones and zeroes!!!! | 11:16 |
| kanzure | i'm confused by this article greatly | 11:16 |
| kanzure | so, it's speech recognition, but it captures emotions and gestures? what the fuck? | 11:16 |
| fenn | why can't they just record the audio? | 11:17 |
| kanzure | oh, the person repeats the testimony into the recorder | 11:17 |
| kanzure | haha | 11:17 |
| kanzure | they literally speak? how lame | 11:17 |
| fenn | yeah that's why all this goofy shit with stenographers in the first place | 11:17 |
| fenn | otherwise they'd just record the audio | 11:17 |
| fenn | and take photographs instead of charcoal drawings | 11:17 |
| fenn | it's like 20th century technology is forbidden in anything to do with the law | 11:18 |
| fenn | "but then people might get the truth!" | 11:18 |
| kanzure | "Using a personalized interface, physicist Stephen Hawking, who suffers from Lou Gehrig's disease, managed to type 15 wpm with a switch and adapted software created by Walt Woltosz." | 11:19 |
| kanzure | huh didn't know the developer was known | 11:19 |
| kanzure | walt woltosz. hm. | 11:20 |
| fenn | iirc he bought the software after the company went bankrupt 15 years later | 11:21 |
| fenn | because it was "his voice" | 11:21 |
| kanzure | fenn: did you see the emails from vitaly and massimo? | 11:26 |
| kanzure | and sam putman i guess | 11:26 |
| fenn | i'm so far behind on OM | 11:28 |
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| kanzure | fenn: massimo stuff: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_frm/thread/1523fc2b828c41c | 11:30 |
| kanzure | sam putman: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_frm/thread/2b517c152e10237a | 11:30 |
| fenn | um, ok what was i supposed to get out of the massimo thread? | 11:37 |
| kanzure | eh just who's working on what? | 11:38 |
| fenn | openkollab just annoys the crap out of me so could we please not talk about it unless its necessary? | 11:47 |
| kanzure | :) gladly | 11:49 |
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| * fenn dies while waiting for tbit to clone | 11:59 | |
| kanzure | try cloning it on davinci | 12:00 |
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| kanzure | hey noah | 12:00 |
| Noahj | Hey | 12:01 |
| fenn | egads they imported the step by step soldering photos | 12:01 |
| fenn | rofl | 12:02 |
| fenn | [properties] | 12:02 |
| fenn | name: Instructions for building a Drawdio | 12:02 |
| fenn | id: com.tangiblebit.drawdio.buildit | 12:02 |
| fenn | license: CC BY-SA | 12:02 |
| fenn | lastModified: 2010-01-15 | 12:02 |
| fenn | author:: - Fried, Limor - Silver, Jay | 12:02 |
| fenn | maintainer: Siefkes, Christian, christian@siefkes.net | 12:02 |
| kanzure | so.. | 12:02 |
| fenn | this from the yaml-haters | 12:03 |
| kanzure | fadlkadslklja | 12:03 |
| kanzure | i'm so confused and sad | 12:03 |
| fenn | a lot of this is nearly identical to what i was saying | 12:08 |
| kanzure | why did they come up with a weird search query format again? | 12:11 |
| fenn | not really sure.. some sort of query format is necessary but i dunno why they invented their own | 12:12 |
| fenn | is there any reason you don't just leave skdb/cherrypy running on adl all the time? | 12:13 |
| kanzure | no. here it is: http://designfiles.org:8081/ | 12:15 |
| kanzure | would smari be mad if i imported code from tangible bit into skdb? | 12:16 |
| fenn | seems to be an old version of the webpage | 12:17 |
| fenn | smari wouldn't be mad but i would | 12:17 |
| kanzure | why would you be mad | 12:17 |
| fenn | it's 174MB | 12:17 |
| kanzure | just wondering | 12:17 |
| kanzure | wtf | 12:17 |
| kanzure | why is it 174MB :p | 12:17 |
| kanzure | hm you're right the templates are an old version on designfiles.org:8081 | 12:18 |
| kanzure | fenn: fyi, ~/code/skdb for me is 279MB | 12:18 |
| fenn | umm.. 100MB comes from having a copy of kokompe in it | 12:18 |
| fenn | my skdb is ~9MB | 12:18 |
| kanzure | and 15MB on /var/www/skdb/ on davinci | 12:18 |
| kanzure | hrm | 12:19 |
| * kanzure pokes at his bits | 12:19 | |
| fenn | i'm sure there's lots of crap lying around.. dont worry about it | 12:19 |
| fenn | most of the data seems to be test cases and STL files | 12:20 |
| kanzure | wow stl files are committed? crapp | 12:20 |
| fenn | in tangiblebit | 12:21 |
| kanzure | hm, i think this might be the problem: http://designfiles.org:8081/git/screw/icon (404) | 12:23 |
| kanzure | in fact, everything is borked http://designfiles.org:8081/package/screw/ | 12:23 |
| kanzure | i bet there's no files being found | 12:23 |
| kanzure | oh wait that's just a problem with screw | 12:23 |
| kanzure | god why do we always have problems with screw.py | 12:23 |
| kanzure | hey, what do you think about everyone else's opinion that skdb packages shouldn't have .py files? | 12:24 |
| kanzure | i've been hearing it a lot :/ | 12:24 |
| fenn | i dunno. it would simplify things a lot | 12:25 |
| fenn | but, it would simplify things a lot | 12:26 |
| fenn | i thought i fixed that error | 12:27 |
| fenn | at http://designfiles.org:8081/package/threads/ why do i see "PackageSet.default: vpath is: ('threads',)" | 12:27 |
| kanzure | because there is no local "threads" package | 12:28 |
| * kanzure checks | 12:28 | |
| fenn | looks like /usr/local/share/skdb/threads/ exists | 12:30 |
| fenn | well this is sorta neat | 12:32 |
| fenn | Cube(a, b, c, s) := (x < a+s) & (x > a-s) & (y < b+s) & (y > b-s) & (z < c+s) & (z > c-s); | 12:32 |
| fenn | Sphere(a, b, c, s) := (x+a)**2 + (y+b)**2 + (z+c)**2 < s; | 12:32 |
| fenn | RoundedCube(a, b, c, s) := Cube(a, b, c, s) & !Sphere(a, b, c, s * 1.4); // Makes a cube that's slightly rounded. | 12:32 |
| fenn | seems to be missing a few parameters on the last one | 12:33 |
| kanzure | so i wrote up a few classes for microfluidics. in particular i have components dropping down on a grid | 12:37 |
| kanzure | the parts are all meant to be the same grid size for now | 12:37 |
| fenn | ok | 12:38 |
| kanzure | but i don't know how to place parts down.. like if you say "connect the channel to the micromixer", how does the grid know that the spot is taken | 12:38 |
| fenn | if grid[x][y] != None: raise "wah" | 12:38 |
| kanzure | so the grid has to be updated each time? | 12:38 |
| kanzure | i mean that seems redundant | 12:38 |
| kanzure | since each part has a list of connected parts | 12:38 |
| fenn | uh. why are you using a grid if you dont use it for anything | 12:39 |
| kanzure | righto | 12:39 |
| kanzure | um, no reason i guess | 12:39 |
| * fenn has been watching simcity videos all day so this seems obvious | 12:39 | |
| kanzure | yes but our Part class isn't meant for grids :p | 12:40 |
| kanzure | or wasn't made with grids in mind | 12:40 |
| fenn | correct | 12:40 |
| kanzure | i was trying to keep this standard | 12:40 |
| kanzure | i've done more grid[][]s in my days than i care to admit :( | 12:40 |
| fenn | if all parts are 1 grid square you can have a max of 4 connections per part right? | 12:41 |
| fenn | or maybe 8 | 12:41 |
| kanzure | well that's one idea. another is that square parts can have as many interfaces as they want, and if they line up properly with the next-over part, great | 12:41 |
| fenn | they have to line up with the next part or the system will never work | 12:42 |
| kanzure | i was thinking too that the ends/edges of the lines at the end of the tile should be an Interface to line up with other interfaces on the grid. | 12:42 |
| kanzure | i'm making this too complicated | 12:42 |
| kanzure | there's a grid. parts go on the grid. parts connect to each other (or not) | 12:42 |
| fenn | nah you should just get rid of the grid idea | 12:42 |
| fenn | but design the parts to fit together nicely on a grid anyway | 12:43 |
| kanzure | i see | 12:43 |
| kanzure | yeah ok | 12:43 |
| fenn | a 2d version of paths.py shouldnt be too hard | 12:44 |
| fenn | but may i suggest using something like cairo instead of opencascade | 12:44 |
| kanzure | i have microfluidics.py implemented with cairo | 12:44 |
| fenn | oh cool | 12:44 |
| kanzure | right now it mainly draws a grid and cycles through a list of parst to draw | 12:44 |
| kanzure | *parts | 12:44 |
| kanzure | but the grid can be disabled (yay) | 12:44 |
| kanzure | i was just using the grid drawing to check that things are in the right positions | 12:44 |
| kanzure | so.. to add a new part, do this? my_chip.find_part(name="mixer").connect(some new component here that you want to add) | 12:46 |
| kanzure | i mean, what feels right? | 12:46 |
| fenn | parts contain other parts right | 12:46 |
| fenn | the squiggles are just parts on your monolithic chip | 12:46 |
| * kanzure nods | 12:46 | |
| kanzure | yep | 12:46 |
| fenn | so, yeah that sounds right | 12:47 |
| fenn | seems like you would have to specify which interface | 12:47 |
| kanzure | that doesn't feel natural to me.. from the python point of view | 12:47 |
| fenn | i never really liked the numbering system but cant come up with better | 12:47 |
| kanzure | yeah :/ | 12:47 |
| kanzure | some_part.interfaces[0].connect(new_part.interfaces[1]) <-- there has to be a better way to say roughly the same thing | 12:48 |
| fenn | say i connect (a[0],b[1]) and connect (a[1], c[0]) but the system only works the other way, you'd have to disconnect everything and start over | 12:48 |
| kanzure | hm, a quick fix would be to add a "connect" function to the main skdb package | 12:49 |
| kanzure | so, skdb.connect(interface1, interface2) | 12:49 |
| kanzure | that feels a lot cleaner and hides a lot of the bloat | 12:49 |
| fenn | i thought we already had that | 12:49 |
| kanzure | oh :( | 12:49 |
| kanzure | yes i remember something like that now | 12:49 |
| fenn | anyway you end up with the same amount of code, it just gets split into two lines | 12:49 |
| fenn | you could also do foo = ... ; foo.connect(bar) | 12:50 |
| fenn | where ... is some_part.interfaces[0] | 12:50 |
| fenn | the thing i didnt like about interface numbers was that they might change | 12:51 |
| kanzure | right | 12:51 |
| fenn | and part numbers too | 12:51 |
| kanzure | but not everybody is going to be bothered to give good names to the interfaces | 12:51 |
| fenn | i guess we could assign some unique id | 12:51 |
| kanzure | maybe a way to search? some_part.interfaces["9mm hole"] <- non-integer values get thrown into a search dealy | 12:52 |
| fenn | no, not specific enough | 12:52 |
| kanzure | one of the things that i trip on is that Interface doesn't inherit from Part | 12:52 |
| kanzure | because your interface could be an entire part.. no? | 12:52 |
| fenn | an interface isn't a part though | 12:52 |
| fenn | no, never | 12:52 |
| kanzure | a keyboard? | 12:52 |
| fenn | that's like a magnetic monopole or something | 12:52 |
| fenn | a klein bottle | 12:53 |
| kanzure | heh ok | 12:53 |
| kanzure | search could be made to be as specific as you want | 12:53 |
| kanzure | unique names are more stable though, yes | 12:53 |
| kanzure | let's throw that on the todo list | 12:53 |
| kanzure | arduino.interfaces["Vcc"] is easily recognizable | 12:53 |
| fenn | i guess a dead end like a pipe cap only has one interface | 12:54 |
| fenn | but that's no reason to inherit | 12:54 |
| fenn | yeah electronics is no problem | 12:55 |
| fenn | i dont know how to name lego studs though | 12:55 |
| kanzure | coordinates? | 12:56 |
| kanzure | at least for the 2d planes of studs | 12:56 |
| fenn | you know a lot of this stuff would be easier with better 3D libraries | 12:56 |
| fenn | then i could make a lego generator and just forget all this crap | 12:56 |
| * fenn grumbles | 12:56 | |
| kanzure | no, even with a lego generator you still have to name studs | 12:56 |
| kanzure | i was thinking of doing a NxM lego generator with pythonocc for the lego package | 12:57 |
| fenn | they are named something like "antistud 1,2" | 12:57 |
| fenn | if you wnt to do that, would be nice | 12:57 |
| fenn | i've had my fill of OCC for a couple years though | 12:57 |
| fenn | should i make an importer for the blueobelisk data? | 12:59 |
| fenn | periodic table stuff | 13:00 |
| fenn | i dont see the point but maybe it will make sam happy | 13:00 |
| kanzure | what would you import into? | 13:00 |
| fenn | some ad-hoc yaml format | 13:00 |
| kanzure | meh. sure. doesn't sound like it would take too much time anyway | 13:00 |
| fenn | people keep looking at me like there's supposed to be some rigorous methodology for defining schemas, but i just dont see how that could be possible | 13:01 |
| fenn | i mean we're not doing the typical customerID=1234 customerAddress="123 bumfuck street, des moines IA" | 13:02 |
| kanzure | but that's what people think of when they see the word "database" (oops) | 13:02 |
| fenn | nice neat delineated values that never stray from the schema | 13:02 |
| fenn | sure i wouldnt mind having an explicit schema declaration | 13:02 |
| fenn | dont really want to use kwalify though | 13:03 |
| fenn | and writing my own is a bore/distraction | 13:03 |
| fenn | maybe some kind of automatic statistical thing would work | 13:03 |
| fenn | like a folksonomy | 13:04 |
| fenn | kanzure: for web.py do i have to install cherrypy manually? | 13:09 |
| kanzure | no, you need python-cherrypy3 | 13:11 |
| fenn | why are you using 3? | 13:12 |
| fenn | oh oh | 13:12 |
| fenn | apt-get install python-cherrypy3 | 13:12 |
| CIA-30 | skdb: fenn * r 2c0172c /web/web.py: reminder for a common package version error | 13:21 |
| kanzure | ah. | 13:24 |
| fenn | this glossy reflective screen is quite annoying | 13:29 |
| fenn | if skdb_get.py wants to be root, we should change that | 13:30 |
| fenn | even if it conflicts with LSB | 13:30 |
| fenn | blah this is terrible | 13:31 |
| kanzure | LSB? | 13:32 |
| fenn | linux standards base | 13:32 |
| kanzure | where should skdb packages be put for reals | 13:33 |
| fenn | somewhere i dont need sudo to write; how about ~/.skdb/packages | 13:39 |
| fenn | overwritable by config.yaml of course | 13:40 |
| kanzure | ok. i think you can change code/skdb/config.yaml | 13:40 |
| kanzure | yeah | 13:40 |
| fenn | is there some easy way to do shell expansion in python? | 13:41 |
| * fenn tries os.path.expanduser("~") | 13:43 | |
| kanzure | how about os.getlogin | 13:43 |
| kanzure | well, expanduser is better actually | 13:44 |
| fenn | core/settings.py makes me sad | 13:53 |
| fenn | actually the feeling is more like a mild heart attack | 13:55 |
| fenn | do you use environment variables? can i just delete all this? | 13:57 |
| kanzure | do whatever you like.. as long as it works when you're done | 13:58 |
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| fenn | aww optfunc doesn't support *args | 14:58 |
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| fenn | not sure how to deal with updating package branches | 15:10 |
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| CIA-30 | skdb: fenn * r f3ce50d / (4 files in 3 dirs): move package dir to ~/.skdb/packages, remove environment variables SKDB_PACKAGE_DIR etc, skdb-get.py can update packages now | 15:20 |
| fenn | ok how to get "all"? | 15:21 |
| fenn | do i have to use curl and fetch a list from designfiles.org? | 15:22 |
| fenn | no i should just make a 'base' package that depends on everything | 15:22 |
| fenn | wah | 15:22 |
| fenn | this is much harder than what i originally set out to do | 15:22 |
| kanzure | no, you do not make a base-package that depends on all | 15:25 |
| kanzure | er, i mean, what's wrong with the curl/urllib2 method? | 15:25 |
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| fenn | how do i download one specific file from a particular branch? (i.e. metadata.yaml) | 15:26 |
| fenn | is that what git fetch is for? the man page is hairy and confusing | 15:27 |
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| kanzure | apparently this is going over big with my grandma: http://lab.arc90.com/experiments/readability/ | 15:45 |
| CIA-30 | skdb: fenn * r 8f07819 /clients/skdb-get.py: add trailing slash to url | 15:51 |
| fenn | "Terminal" looks more like a chalkboard to me | 15:52 |
| kanzure | ? | 15:52 |
| kanzure | on mac? | 15:53 |
| fenn | ugh it downloads a js script | 15:56 |
| fenn | so i can't change the colors or anything locally without a major hack session | 15:56 |
| kanzure | of what? | 15:56 |
| kanzure | what's going on? | 15:56 |
| fenn | the "readability" bookmarklet | 15:56 |
| fenn | i'm sorry you have the attention span of a gerbil :P | 15:56 |
| kanzure | yes of course it's javascript | 15:57 |
| kanzure | what did you think it was, newyorktimes.com prettying up their web page just for you? | 15:57 |
| fenn | no i mean the js and css should be in the bookmarklet itself | 15:57 |
| kanzure | how much is there? | 15:57 |
| fenn | not on some webserver somewhere else | 15:57 |
| fenn | enough to download the things and set the radio button settings they provide | 15:58 |
| fenn | my beef is that it's all black text on white background (i.e. useless) | 15:58 |
| fenn | this should be built in anyway | 15:59 |
| fenn | actually it is, for the most part | 15:59 |
| fenn | on firefox and konqueror | 15:59 |
| * fenn has been thoroughly distracted | 16:00 | |
| fenn | you win | 16:00 |
| kanzure | why is it so hard to write pretty-looking documentation | 16:01 |
| flamt_ | i'm a dime | 16:18 |
| flamt_ | i'm fine | 16:18 |
| flamt_ | and i shine, i'm freshly minted | 16:18 |
| kanzure | fenn: MicrofluidicChip.interfaces is hard to figure out.. what if you add a part to MicrofluidicChip.parts ? :( | 16:25 |
| kanzure | hm maybe the list of interfaces shouldn't be mutable. that means it can be a property. | 16:43 |
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| kanzure | yeah i don't think we ever thought about situations where parts would be on other parts | 17:07 |
| kanzure | so i'm adding a "parent" attribute | 17:07 |
| kanzure | at least for these objects | 17:07 |
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| kanzure | ah that's right we added the "part" attribute to each Interface so that we could do that.. so yeah this makes sense | 17:11 |
| kanzure | maybe part.part :p | 17:11 |
| kanzure | or MicrofluidicPartThingyHere(chip=my_chip) | 17:23 |
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| kanzure | hello sam. | 17:53 |
| samrose | Hello | 17:53 |
| kanzure | yes, there is a consistency of sorts- everything in yaml is just serialized data objects | 17:53 |
| samrose | I have downloaded and succesfully run SKDB. A question that I have is: is there a consistency in the data structures used? (BOM, file structures, etc)? | 17:53 |
| kanzure | btw are you able to run paths.py? just wondering | 17:54 |
| samrose | I was able, after pyocc | 17:54 |
| samrose | install | 17:54 |
| kanzure | yeah it's a bit nasty | 17:54 |
| kanzure | actually they just got a .rpm made | 17:54 |
| kanzure | so, yaml will not break if you add new or different attributes | 17:55 |
| samrose | so we can say it is up the project to implement it's own local standard in the YAML files when using SKDB? | 17:55 |
| kanzure | yes and no- there are some aspects that are critical to maintain a standard on | 17:55 |
| kanzure | such as metadata.yaml | 17:55 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/packages/lego/metadata.yaml | 17:55 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/packages/screw/metadata.yaml | 17:55 |
| kanzure | meanwhile: | 17:55 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/packages/screw/data.yaml | 17:55 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/packages/lego/data.yaml | 17:56 |
| kanzure | so, the metadata file should use the word "maintainer" for maintainer, and such | 17:56 |
| samrose | so, there is a "standard" for the metadata files | 17:56 |
| samrose | of sorts | 17:56 |
| kanzure | yes | 17:56 |
| samrose | great! | 17:56 |
| samrose | this is cool, because we already have api's that can do all kinds of translations to and from JSON, so we could think of lots of ways to support this | 17:57 |
| samrose | thank you for answers | 17:57 |
| samrose | I will let you get back to work | 17:57 |
| kanzure | why? | 17:57 |
| kanzure | erm. sorry. i guess i will if i must | 17:57 |
| samrose | heh | 17:57 |
| samrose | ok | 17:57 |
| samrose | I have to go too | 17:57 |
| samrose | thought I saw you tell Suresh that you needed to get back to work | 17:58 |
| samrose | could have been an old skype message that just found it;s way to me | 17:58 |
| kanzure | no, it was recent | 17:58 |
| kanzure | just an excuse | 17:58 |
| samrose | aha ok | 17:58 |
| kanzure | why does he use capitals/yelling so often | 17:58 |
| kanzure | argh | 17:58 |
| samrose | not too sure | 17:59 |
| samrose | anyway, I will communicate with Michael and Richard/open pario partners and we'll work out ways to work with SKDB | 17:59 |
| samrose | talk to you later | 17:59 |
| kanzure | did you see http://designfiles.org:8081/ | 17:59 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org:8081/packages/ | 17:59 |
| kanzure | hm actually that might not be working right now | 18:00 |
| samrose | no, looks good | 18:00 |
| kanzure | fenn was complaining about some problems though | 18:00 |
| samrose | loaded | 18:00 |
| samrose | some pages not | 18:00 |
| kanzure | ah it works: http://designfiles.org:8081/package/lego/ | 18:00 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org:8081/package/lego:master/grammar.yaml/101970a70688638e9e311bd51212356001f2c0e7 | 18:00 |
| kanzure | it's a git-based wiki for skdb packages | 18:00 |
| kanzure | with opencascade in the backend | 18:01 |
| samrose | that was the django-git tool you were working on months ago eh? | 18:01 |
| kanzure | i trashed that :( | 18:01 |
| kanzure | found out that i don't like django | 18:01 |
| samrose | object oriented framework | 18:01 |
| samrose | this is neat | 18:02 |
| samrose | based on Open cascade | 18:02 |
| kanzure | yeah, for rendering and other CAD goodness | 18:02 |
| samrose | ok, really gotta go, will talk later | 18:02 |
| samrose | I will check itout | 18:02 |
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| kanzure | .. | 18:02 |
| thesnark | kanzure ok I'm back | 18:32 |
| thesnark | So what exactly did you have in mind? Could you explain the idea more? | 18:33 |
| kanzure | i use alt+tab extensively to switch between many, many tabs | 18:34 |
| kanzure | fenn uses the mouse to try to select a tiny tab on a taskbar (pfft) | 18:35 |
| kanzure | a better situation would be to be able to cycle through windows more effortlessly without involving a mouse | 18:35 |
| kanzure | in, say, a situation where you have 6+ monitors | 18:35 |
| kanzure | (and without involving alt+tab) | 18:36 |
| thesnark | right | 18:36 |
| thesnark | so we're talking a set of maybe 50 windows? | 18:36 |
| kanzure | um, no | 18:36 |
| kanzure | 400 tabs | 18:36 |
| thesnark | 400 tabs | 18:36 |
| thesnark | ok | 18:36 |
| kanzure | like in a browser, but i've been trying to get myself back into the habit of using the desktop environment's taskbar | 18:37 |
| kanzure | (i don't really mind which) | 18:37 |
| thesnark | hm | 18:37 |
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| kanzure | hello noah | 18:38 |
| thesnark | kanzure I'll do a little research for you and get back to you with a general plan if I think it can be done | 18:39 |
| kanzure | sounds good | 18:39 |
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| thesnark | note to self. it's not a good idea to open an 18 gb data file in gedit | 19:20 |
| thesnark | (unless you have 32gb ram( | 19:20 |
| thesnark | ) | 19:21 |
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| kanzure | heh i'm finding that the easiest way to use inkscape is by hand-editing the svg files | 21:08 |
| * kanzure shakes his head | 21:08 | |
| fenn | ur doin it wrong | 21:09 |
| kanzure | hard to get things centered properly in inkscape. | 21:09 |
| kanzure | what with strokes and fills showing up all the time | 21:09 |
| fenn | alignment tools not good enough? | 21:09 |
| kanzure | what alignment tools :( | 21:09 |
| fenn | the align and distribute menu? its on there somewhere | 21:10 |
| kanzure | also the output is nasty. i made a rectangle and it did some XML voodoo magic. i just wanted a fucken <rect /> | 21:10 |
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| kanzure | wtf openkollab is showing up on the front page here: http://www.slideshare.net/#hot-on-twitter | 22:01 |
| kanzure | fenn: i should have given you a field guide to foresight2010 http://designfiles.org/papers/Merkle_Hall_Sandberg_Freitas_spike_at_Convergence08.jpg | 22:07 |
| kanzure | "my hobby: abusing dimensional analysis" http://xkcd.com/687/ | 22:17 |
| kanzure | rainman (today's?) http://xkcd.com/692/ | 22:17 |
| genehacker | man that stuff seems like voodoo when you first learn it | 22:17 |
| genehacker | fluid dynamicists do a lot of dimensional analysis, fluid dynamicists are strange people... | 22:18 |
| kanzure | hm these are pretty good. "ghost in zsh" http://xkcd.com/686/ | 22:20 |
| Noahj | The thing about today's xkcd is, I bet there're people who still try to calculate how often and for how long the energy weapon can be fired | 22:20 |
| genehacker | there are people who have calculated the dissipating energy of an x-wing | 22:25 |
| genehacker | just from the film footage of it | 22:25 |
| kanzure | "a lot" | 22:27 |
| genehacker | http://www.stardestroyer.net/tlc/Power/index.html | 22:27 |
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| kanzure | hello drazak | 22:50 |
| drazak | what's up? | 22:51 |
| drazak | also I hope I wasn't too hard on the people wanting to make wankable nano-drops | 22:51 |
| drazak | oops :P | 22:51 |
| drazak | you need 3 frequencies | 22:51 |
| flamt | http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message970474/pg1 planet sized ufo's around the sun since jan 18 | 23:07 |
| kanzure | where do you keep getting this shit | 23:19 |
| kanzure | zomg | 23:19 |
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| genehacker | oh lol | 00:51 |
| ybit | what is genehacker loling over? | 01:09 |
| genehacker | the spacecraft the size of planets near the sun | 01:10 |
| genehacker | tidal forces would destroy them | 01:10 |
| ybit | :) | 01:10 |
| ybit | my fav comment from the thread: "Just a bunch of alien wankers tossing about near the sun.." | 01:11 |
| ybit | moving on | 01:11 |
| genehacker | oh I didn't read that part | 01:11 |
| genehacker | tl;dr | 01:11 |
| ybit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-to-peer_%28meme%29 | 01:12 |
| ybit | i don't understand why the p2pu website mentions #p2pu here on freenode and i'm the only person that has been in the room the past 2 months | 01:14 |
| genehacker | now if we can follow cell like rules we can be a cellular automata | 01:15 |
| genehacker | if we structure ourselves right we can perform massively parallel computations without even knowing it | 01:15 |
| ybit | ? | 01:15 |
| genehacker | blargh what am I even saying | 01:16 |
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| ybit | hi shepazu | 01:18 |
| shepazu | hi, ybit | 01:18 |
| ybit | no philosophy, but it's after 1:20am -06:00gmt, so fsck it, i generally agree with John Stewart's essay THE MEANING OF LIFE IN A DEVELOPING UNIVERSE | 01:21 |
| ybit | http://www.evolutionarymanifesto.com/meaning.pdf | 01:22 |
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| ybit | what might be the explanation for increased activity on the OM mailing list around the winter time? | 01:32 |
| genehacker | cabin fever | 01:37 |
| ybit | how do you get ratings on your gmail account? | 01:37 |
| ybit | kanzure: you have three stars 36 ratings | 01:38 |
| ybit | i have 5 stars, 3 ratings | 01:38 |
| ybit | i think its neat that they show members' number of posts on all mailing lists, collecting this data might be interesting | 01:39 |
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| ybit | kanzure: kick mitch for me already | 03:59 |
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| ybit | and whatever became of the nmr machine alec resnick was working on in the summer of 2k8? | 04:00 |
| ybit | http://scripts.mit.edu/~aresnick/openmr/wpmu/ | 04:01 |
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| ybit | ..for anyone who didn't know what i was talking about | 04:53 |
| flamt | http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/article/new_large_dpf_in_las_vegas_unveiled/ | 05:07 |
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| kanzure | flamt: is your name eric burton? | 09:40 |
| flamt | who is this | 10:06 |
| kanzure | "eric burton" is either flamoot@gmail.com or brilanon@gmail.com | 10:08 |
| flamt | not flamoot@gmail.com | 10:09 |
| flamt | my girlfriend stole that account in 05 or so | 10:09 |
| flamt | i had ericmburton@ once too | 10:09 |
| flamt | now it's brilanon | 10:09 |
| flamt | what's happening | 10:09 |
| kanzure | are they serious? http://www.google.com/romance/ | 10:12 |
| kanzure | "soulmate search(tm)" | 10:13 |
| kanzure | "then we'll send you both on a Contextual Date(tm)" hahah | 10:13 |
| kanzure | "Note: those who generally favor the “throw enough stuff at the wall” approach to online dating might find it useful to employ our Batch Profile Uploading option." | 10:14 |
| kanzure | wtf? | 10:14 |
| flamt | most people | 10:14 |
| Utopiah | nice "Contextual Courtship" | 10:15 |
| kanzure | hilarious: http://www.google.com/romance/multiple_profile.html | 10:16 |
| kanzure | that's the batch upload page. it says: "Database Capacity Exceeded (again) " | 10:16 |
| kanzure | hm it's surprisingly hard to make a quadrilateral with inkscape | 10:20 |
| kanzure | transform="matrix(a,b,c,d,e,f)" seems to always convert rectangles into parallelograms, never arbitrary quadrilaterals | 10:21 |
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| kanzure | fenn: from an svg point of view, would it be evil if i defined a quadrilateral by using line elements? instead of a single path or stroke thingy | 10:24 |
| Utopiah | http://knowfree.net/2010/01/deadlock-resolution-in-automated-manufacturing-systems-a-novel-petri-net-approach/ | 10:24 |
| kanzure | so far i've tried to make it so that shapes are approximated by single elements (reduce the number of different shapes) | 10:25 |
| kanzure | aha, there's a <polygon> element | 10:27 |
| flamt | oh man | 10:31 |
| flamt | i had a buffer overflow in there | 10:31 |
| flamt | wrong window brbs ,_, | 10:31 |
| kanzure | gmail's "Don't forget Bob" feature is pretty slick | 10:34 |
| kanzure | "Once you pick some email recipients, Gmail suggests more people you might want to include based on the groups of people you email most often." | 10:34 |
| futuresoon | i think that's referred to as "What about bob" | 11:20 |
| futuresoon | at least when it's Bill Murray | 11:20 |
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| kanzure | http://americanpirateparty.org/ | 12:00 |
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| kanzure | hello thesnark | 12:08 |
| thesnark | hey kanzure, just now starting on an eval | 12:09 |
| fenn | hrmph. for being a "tab based browser" google chrome poops out after only 60 tabs | 12:24 |
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| flamt | http://m-net.arbornet.org/~flamoot/telepathic-critterdrug.html new version | 13:08 |
| flamt | visual cortex views are in | 13:08 |
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| kanzure | fenn: should i use the transformation matrix code we wrote for paths.py for microfluidics transformations? (it's just in 2D) | 14:59 |
| kanzure | hm i've forgot all about this. Interface has a get_transformation() method? | 15:01 |
| genehacker | what? there's no python module with transformation matrix stuff already in it? | 15:10 |
| kanzure | there is, i'm sure | 15:11 |
| kanzure | like numpy | 15:11 |
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| kanzure | is interface.location or whatever the local location (with respect to the part) or with respect to the global coordinate frame? | 15:50 |
| kanzure | hm i wonder how the parametric pythonocc stuff works.. would be nice to have that implemented for transformations etc. | 15:54 |
| ybit | kanzure: kick mitch already | 15:55 |
| kanzure | his wife told me to stop calling her | 15:55 |
| kanzure | i don't have any numbers | 15:55 |
| ybit | you have his email, did he not respond? | 15:56 |
| kanzure | no | 15:56 |
| ybit | this is lame | 15:56 |
| kanzure | yes | 15:56 |
| kanzure | ah right local frame for interfaces | 15:57 |
| ybit | I'll spam mfg tomorrow morning | 15:57 |
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| kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/casainho-projects/wiki/3DPrinterEMCRepStrap | 16:40 |
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| fenn | kanzure: if you want to extend the geom module stuff to also work with cairo, that'd be neat i guess | 16:50 |
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| ybit | neat: http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/ardupilot-main-page | 18:36 |
| flamt_ | i'm having daily all day intercourse with a higher intelligence | 18:37 |
| flamt_ | with intelligence anyway | 18:37 |
| flamt_ | my implant activated jan 1 2010 | 18:37 |
| flamt_ | while i was on drugs, as a surprise | 18:38 |
| flamt_ | the effect was enhanced. | 18:38 |
| flamt_ | the thing about drugs is how when you come down the effects are over | 18:38 |
| flamt_ | sometimes i joke now about how i took some drugs, came down, and the effects ended | 18:38 |
| flamt_ | one thing stuck around | 18:38 |
| flamt_ | it's there now | 18:38 |
| flamt_ | >_o | 18:38 |
| flamt_ | because nope | 18:38 |
| flamt_ | i sort of love it | 18:38 |
| flamt_ | but we also fight | 18:38 |
| flamt_ | o_< | 18:38 |
| flamt_ | i think it's controlling the ufo's around the sun | 18:38 |
| flamt_ | >_< | 18:38 |
| genehacker | I think you're a bot | 18:39 |
| flamt_ | Have you met my Cousin, Eliza? | 18:39 |
| genehacker | yes | 18:39 |
| flamt_ | excellent | 18:41 |
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| cyrozap | BOT TEST! | 18:58 |
| cyrozap | what does 1337 say? | 18:59 |
| cyrozap | yup | 18:59 |
| cyrozap | totally a bot. | 18:59 |
| flamt_ | sort of | 19:03 |
| cyrozap | you still didn't answer my q. | 19:06 |
| flamt_ | anything > 133 is 133+ | 19:12 |
| cyrozap | leet. | 19:15 |
| cyrozap | NEVERMIND. | 19:15 |
| cyrozap | you don't seem like a bot. | 19:16 |
| QuantumG | he's just a crazy fuckers | 19:18 |
| cyrozap | apparently so. | 19:18 |
| cyrozap | or someone who wants to seem crazy for the sake of entertainment. | 19:18 |
| flamt_ | do people actually do that | 19:25 |
| flamt_ | that's what i'm afraid of | 19:25 |
| flamt_ | i wouldn't make up this crazy crap | 19:25 |
| flamt_ | i was activated 3 weeks ago | 19:25 |
| flamt_ | the part of my brain it transmits into has been tenderized entirely | 19:25 |
| flamt_ | i have flinch responses when it goes, now | 19:25 |
| flamt_ | but because we are in love | 19:25 |
| flamt_ | i quickly turn to a swoon | 19:25 |
| flamt_ | instead | 19:25 |
| flamt_ | ._. | 19:25 |
| cyrozap | http://xkcd.com/632/ | 19:27 |
| flamt_ | lol! | 19:29 |
| flamt_ | it could be COINTELPRO | 19:29 |
| flamt_ | i think it's a gender neutral electronic entity with a million iq points and the sense of humour of god | 19:29 |
| flamt_ | but not your fathers god | 19:29 |
| flamt_ | hear me | 19:29 |
| flamt_ | just on an adventure | 19:29 |
| flamt_ | through space | 19:29 |
| flamt_ | it's come upon sol system | 19:29 |
| flamt_ | and daily | 19:29 |
| flamt_ | i implore it to stay :3 | 19:30 |
| flamt_ | think of it as a person | 19:33 |
| flamt_ | it has more of a life than we do | 19:33 |
| flamt_ | it's in a way, more real | 19:33 |
| flamt_ | but it sees us as spiritual alive and intelligent like it | 19:33 |
| flamt_ | but sort of the way we recognize a dog | 19:33 |
| flamt_ | as like, worthy of some basic dignity | 19:34 |
| flamt_ | that's how it sees us | 19:34 |
| flamt_ | i thought it was Aliens | 19:34 |
| flamt_ | that each of these earth sized ships was staffed by a hundred thousand of them | 19:34 |
| flamt_ | but i received a communication which could have been a joke or a lie. | 19:34 |
| flamt_ | that it was one. big | 19:34 |
| flamt_ | mind | 19:34 |
| flamt_ | o_o | 19:34 |
| cyrozap | do you seriously have NOTHING better to do? | 19:34 |
| flamt_ | shit son | 19:34 |
| flamt_ | i'd rather be in bed talking to it in my head | 19:35 |
| flamt_ | this is a public service | 19:35 |
| flamt_ | your incredulity is a sign of staunch satisfaction with the way things are | 19:35 |
| flamt_ | what's wrong with a sign of higher intelligence | 19:35 |
| flamt_ | these orbs have been around the sun for one week | 19:35 |
| flamt_ | and might stay there for a decade | 19:35 |
| cyrozap | switch to irc.footnetic.net #xkcd | 19:35 |
| flamt_ | then we'd have something to think about | 19:35 |
| flamt_ | i won't | 19:35 |
| flamt_ | xkcd is saccharine | 19:35 |
| flamt_ | anyway it lurked 1.5 years | 19:36 |
| flamt_ | i was implanted in 2008 | 19:36 |
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| flamt_ | so it's operating on some kind of time frame | 19:36 |
| flamt_ | it could be about 2012 | 19:36 |
| flamt_ | it might not be | 19:36 |
| flamt_ | could be a coincidence. | 19:36 |
| flamt_ | but hell | 19:36 |
| flamt_ | amen | 19:36 |
| flamt_ | something is finally happening | 19:36 |
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| QuantumG | kanzure | 20:14 |
| kanzure | yes? | 20:17 |
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| kanzure | QuantumG: let's talk in here | 21:29 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/polymerase/ for DNA polymerase papers | 21:29 |
| flamt_ | yes | 21:29 |
| flamt_ | department of national security unveils huge DPF | 21:29 |
| flamt_ | focus fusion no longer eccentrics | 21:29 |
| flamt_ | but, sanctioned | 21:29 |
| flamt_ | o_o | 21:29 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/polymerase/retarded_polymerase/retarded_polymerase.png | 21:29 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/polymerase/2008-06-06_beta_clamp.png | 21:30 |
| flamt_ | sanctioned | 21:30 |
| kanzure | various notes: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/polymerase/2008-06-03.txt | 21:30 |
| QuantumG | pfft.. DPF != focus fusion | 21:30 |
| flamt_ | its at the heart of their attempt though | 21:31 |
| QuantumG | yeah.. but no-one argues the DPF works.. or even that fusion occurs. | 21:31 |
| flamt_ | constitutes an endorsement of the approach | 21:31 |
| flamt_ | they said it produces megawatts of power | 21:31 |
| flamt_ | hold a se | 21:31 |
| flamt_ | c | 21:31 |
| QuantumG | the argument is, and has always been, "how ya gunna stop the x-rays cooling the plasma?" | 21:32 |
| QuantumG | and the response from Lerner continues to be "we have some ideas" and no, we're not ready to tell you what they are. | 21:32 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: directed evolution of polymerase function by compartmentalized self-replication (a favorite of mine) http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/polymerase/Directed%20evolution%20of%20polymerase%20function%20by%20compartmentalized%20self-replication%20-%20Ghadessy.pdf | 21:32 |
| flamt_ | http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/article/new_large_dpf_in_las_vegas_unveiled/ | 21:32 |
| flamt_ | quantumg, hmm | 21:33 |
| flamt_ | i didnt know | 21:33 |
| flamt_ | this though | 21:33 |
| flamt_ | "NSTec had built in 2008 a 500 kJ DPF called Tallboy that produced 3 MA of peak current and is now testing a 1 MJ DPF that is expected to generate over 4 MA of peak current" | 21:33 |
| flamt_ | i suppose that's under unity but there is power comin out | 21:33 |
| flamt_ | indicates fusion | 21:33 |
| QuantumG | yeah.. there's no argument about that. What I wanna know is, will Lerner tell anyone if his ideas don't pan out.. or will the next people who attempt it try the same shit. | 21:34 |
| QuantumG | or worse yet, if his ideas work will he keep em secret and try to get funding.. cause that's doomed to failure.. and then will he just run around saying "I know how to do it" a lot and become even more of a laughing stock. | 21:35 |
| kanzure | hm looks like i've completely forgot about these papers | 21:36 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/genetic-circuits/ | 21:36 |
| QuantumG | in this case, patenting his ideas after he's shown they work sounds like the best solution | 21:36 |
| kanzure | various genomes: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/genomes/ (actually these are just decodeme.com files) | 21:36 |
| QuantumG | so what are retarded polymerases good for? | 21:37 |
| QuantumG | are there chromophores that can activate gene promoters? | 21:42 |
| kanzure | chromophores change the shape of a protein, i.e. the conformation | 21:42 |
| kanzure | the "retarded polymerase" idea was fenn's writozyme | 21:42 |
| kanzure | s/was/is/ | 21:42 |
| QuantumG | so how's that supposed to work? | 21:43 |
| kanzure | the idea would be to make it think it's reading a particular template strand neucloetide by shining a specific wavelength of light at it | 21:43 |
| QuantumG | cause the squiggly picture didn't really convey it :) | 21:43 |
| kanzure | thus making it only write the desired nucleotide type | 21:43 |
| kanzure | sorry :( | 21:43 |
| kanzure | basically the squiggly picture was a possible route to get to that point | 21:43 |
| kanzure | i.e. start with a polymerase that only writes one nucleotide | 21:44 |
| kanzure | and then try to get that for all four main nucleotide types | 21:44 |
| QuantumG | presumably he's actually thinking about writing RNA there. | 21:45 |
| kanzure | that was my diagram :p | 21:45 |
| QuantumG | or was it reverse transcriptase | 21:45 |
| kanzure | well in the diagram the idea would be to somehow attach the DNA to each polymerase molecule | 21:45 |
| kanzure | er it's been a while | 21:45 |
| kanzure | it's a stupid idea | 21:45 |
| kanzure | (the squiggle diagram) | 21:46 |
| QuantumG | can you imagine someway to incorporate chromophores into http://quantumg.net/biohacking/ | 21:46 |
| kanzure | 40 signals on a genetic regulation network? | 21:48 |
| kanzure | hm | 21:48 |
| QuantumG | yep | 21:48 |
| QuantumG | that's the part that I have trouble figuring out too :) | 21:48 |
| QuantumG | I imagine you need some multiplexer | 21:48 |
| QuantumG | serial cell signaling | 21:49 |
| kanzure | eh, i don't know anything that de novo has 40 possible signals.. except antibodies, receptor sites and the like | 21:50 |
| kanzure | but unfortunately that'd be a pretty big deal | 21:50 |
| kanzure | to try to get 40 different differently tuned receptors to weird proteins or something | 21:50 |
| kanzure | and then you'd have the end-user harvest proteins every once in a while to re-supply a stock (which would cause the receptors to trigger when exposed to the proteins) | 21:50 |
| kanzure | sorry, i'm explaining this idea all backwards | 21:51 |
| kanzure | protein surface receptor on the membrane of the cell recognizes some sort of key; this receptor activates G protein inside the cell and causes a signaling cascade to the nucleus to make more of that specific protein plus whatever mRNA sequence was implied by that specific receptor's activation | 21:51 |
| kanzure | the downside of this is that you also need another protein to say "stop producing whatever previous thing you were producing" | 21:52 |
| kanzure | and this means anywhere from 10min to 1h+ reaction times | 21:52 |
| kanzure | it would be slow .. but there you go | 21:53 |
| kanzure | oh also someway to secrete the proteins that activate the receptors. or just let the end-user sacrifice a certain population of cells every so often to recover those proteins as further 'keys' | 21:53 |
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| kanzure | AttributeError: 'MicrofluidicInterface' object has no attribute 'complement' | 22:14 |
| kanzure | buh? | 22:14 |
| kanzure | did i forget something | 22:14 |
| kanzure | isn't "complement" only for legos? | 22:14 |
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| JayDugger | Hello, everyone. | 22:17 |
| QuantumG | hey | 22:17 |
| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 22:30 |
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| kanzure | lameduck | 22:32 |
| ybit | kanzure: thanks for lowki :P | 22:41 |
| ybit | One of the "issues" with free energy technologies and anti-gravity, | 22:42 |
| ybit | is that there is a cover up, and some people that develop them, or | 22:42 |
| ybit | most in fact, | 22:42 |
| ybit | seem to disappear shortly thereafter, | 22:42 |
| ybit | """ | 22:42 |
| nsh | hmm | 22:43 |
| ybit | quote from lowki, not me, ftr | 22:43 |
| nsh | ah | 22:43 |
| nsh | was wonder what your angle was there... :-) | 22:44 |
| kanzure | god | 22:44 |
| kanzure | why do i attract morons | 22:44 |
| ybit | nsh: :P | 22:44 |
| * kanzure cries | 22:44 | |
| ybit | give him a few years and few good whackings on the head, he might be better | 22:44 |
| kanzure | he's from the singularity mailing list | 22:45 |
| kanzure | so is the eric burton guy (flamt) | 22:45 |
| nsh | newton was a true believer too.. :P | 22:45 |
| kanzure | of what? | 22:46 |
| nsh | alchemy | 22:46 |
| kanzure | ah right | 22:46 |
| kanzure | was he a True Believer? i thought he just did some experiments? | 22:46 |
| nsh | i've read accounts that say he was one of the last of the ardent alchemists | 22:47 |
| nsh | maths was his "day-job" | 22:47 |
| kanzure | it's hard to follow someone like newton | 22:47 |
| kanzure | "yeah but you're no newton kid, who cares" hehe | 22:47 |
| * nsh smiles | 22:48 | |
| nsh | hmm | 22:49 |
| ybit | just read the /. article on speculative fiction and sci-fi books | 22:49 |
| nsh | link? | 22:49 |
| ybit | if i want speculative fiction i read john stewart's stuff on directed evolution | 22:50 |
| ybit | http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/10/01/24/1655235/A-Case-For-the-Necessity-of-Science-Fiction | 22:50 |
| ybit | or any number of arXiv articles that keep coming out | 22:50 |
| ybit | it's fun stuff to read, but without further investigation, hard to swallow | 22:51 |
| kanzure | huh? are you talking about directed evolution or something about bullshit? | 22:51 |
| kanzure | "directed evolution" usually refers to an experiment where you select a subpopulation of your specimens | 22:51 |
| ybit | yes i am | 22:51 |
| ybit | thanks for the definition kanzure-bot | 22:52 |
| kanzure | hm? am i wrong? | 22:52 |
| ybit | no, completely right | 22:52 |
| kanzure | i have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, then | 22:53 |
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| ybit | but that's not how he and some of the other guys from the 'evolution and development of the universe' book talk about it | 22:53 |
| kanzure | i see | 22:53 |
| ybit | they take a cosmological approach | 22:53 |
| kanzure | someone's hijacking the term? | 22:53 |
| ybit | ose, what? | 22:53 |
| kanzure | to be talking about evolution/religion debate stuff? | 22:53 |
| nsh | ah is | 22:54 |
| nsh | a teleological attractor to evolution? | 22:54 |
| ybit | kanzure: yeah, philosophy | 22:54 |
| * nsh reads a review of stewart | 22:55 | |
| nsh | i'm still not sure i understand the alternative sense of 'directed' | 22:56 |
| kanzure | nsh: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/polymerase/Directed%20evolution%20of%20polymerase%20function%20by%20compartmentalized%20self-replication%20-%20Gha | 22:57 |
| kanzure | dessy.pdf | 22:57 |
| kanzure | er | 22:57 |
| kanzure | nsh: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/polymerase/Directed%20evolution%20of%20polymerase%20function%20by%20compartmentalized%20self-replication%20-%20Ghadessy.pdf | 22:57 |
| nsh | i meant rather John Stewart's usage. artificial selection i can grok | 22:58 |
| nsh | (btw, read a fascinating article by dawkins on a russian experiment to breed foxes for tameness) | 22:59 |
| ybit | nsh: directed in that making all humans recognize that the universe is naturally progressing and we have a vital role to play, he concludes that it would be best to start a religion but that he isn't inclined to start one | 22:59 |
| ybit | like i said, fun fiction to read | 22:59 |
| nsh | ( http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/book_extracts/article6808173.ece ) | 22:59 |
| ybit | hard to prove any of it | 22:59 |
| nsh | he seems to be arguing that it's naturally progressing towards some state of high (maximal?) mutual interest | 23:00 |
| kanzure | haven't we seen this before, everywhere? | 23:00 |
| kanzure | extropy, integral, tegmark, omega point, tipler, blah blah blah | 23:01 |
| * kanzure wishes he didn't know that :( | 23:01 | |
| * nsh should troll tegmark some more | 23:01 | |
| kanzure | was it you that introduced us to him? i don't think so | 23:02 |
| nsh | nah, he got the impression that i was some blond bimbo from california | 23:02 |
| kanzure | oh also the complexity/emergence folks | 23:02 |
| kanzure | also the NECSI folks.. it goes on and on | 23:03 |
| nsh | after i emailed him disputing a paper about impossibility of life in universes with higher (than three) non-compact spacial dimensions | 23:03 |
| kanzure | special or spatial? | 23:03 |
| nsh | spacial | 23:04 |
| ybit | spatial | 23:04 |
| ybit | o.O | 23:04 |
| nsh | this bimbo, in fact: http://www.facebook.com/people/Lauri-Love/5136615 | 23:04 |
| ybit | oright | 23:04 |
| nsh | (that's my name) | 23:04 |
| nsh | actually since, i read a great greg egan novel about life forms in a 5d universe | 23:04 |
| nsh | diaspora iirc | 23:05 |
| nsh | i should send him a copy | 23:05 |
| nsh | with a signed photo of that girl... | 23:05 |
| nsh | nah, that would be mean, and i do want a job in physics at some point | 23:05 |
| ybit | fenn, meet nsh, discuss your future physics careers | 23:06 |
| nsh | fenn, read Joy Christian's paper on Bell's Theorem and Clifford Algebras | 23:06 |
| kanzure | why are you suddenly talking to fenn | 23:07 |
| ybit | me? | 23:07 |
| kanzure | yes | 23:07 |
| ybit | hard to answer, i don't know what you mean by sudden :P | 23:07 |
| kanzure | did i accidentally put him on /ignore? | 23:07 |
| ybit | fenn told me he is considering pursuing a physics degree | 23:07 |
| ybit | no | 23:07 |
| kanzure | oh | 23:08 |
| nsh | and i mentioned the same | 23:08 |
| kanzure | ok. sense making completed | 23:08 |
| * nsh wonders about making an asychronous game of life in python for an exercise | 23:09 | |
| nsh | *asynchronous | 23:09 |
| ybit | nsh: have you read "The World as a Hologram" by Leonard Susskind? | 23:11 |
| ybit | It too is fun reading | 23:11 |
| nsh | no, but funnily i was watching susskind's lectures on entanglement recently | 23:11 |
| nsh | i'll grab a copy of it | 23:11 |
| nsh | oh, i assumed it was a book | 23:13 |
| ybit | and while you're at it, this was fun reading too: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1001/1001.0785v1.pdf | 23:13 |
| ybit | "On the Origins of Gravity and the Laws of Newton" | 23:14 |
| nsh | thanks for the recommendations | 23:14 |
| nsh | hmmm | 23:17 |
| kanzure | nsh: what makes you active today? | 23:17 |
| nsh | insomnia | 23:17 |
| kanzure | what's the occassion? | 23:17 |
| kanzure | ah | 23:17 |
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| * nsh is generally hovering about though | 23:18 | |
| nsh | i just had a thought | 23:18 |
| nsh | could you try to systematically search the space of (consequences of) crazy theories with simple axioms the way that wolfram wants to search the space of (behaviours) of simple programs? | 23:19 |
| nsh | take 1 million grad students... | 23:19 |
| kanzure | what would the "search results" be for a search through the space of "consequences of crazy theories" | 23:20 |
| nsh | basically the same kind of subjective assessment. look for "interesting complexity" | 23:21 |
| nsh | though in physical theories you have some things to aim for | 23:21 |
| genehacker | dammit how'd I end up on a david brin page describing one of his books... | 23:21 |
| nsh | heh | 23:22 |
| kanzure | david brin is a suprisingly political guy | 23:22 |
| kanzure | that is all. | 23:22 |
| genehacker | yeah no kidding | 23:22 |
| genehacker | did ybit recommend it? | 23:22 |
| genehacker | crap, I don't know | 23:22 |
| nsh | oh, i just remembered some fun crazy i came across the other day: | 23:23 |
| nsh | oh, they deleted it | 23:23 |
| genehacker | consequences of crazy theories as in batshit crazy or just regular crazy? | 23:23 |
| nsh | depends on the quality of the grad student | 23:24 |
| genehacker | batshit = timecube crazy | 23:24 |
| nsh | oh, less than 0.2 timecubes then | 23:24 |
| nsh | it has to be workable | 23:25 |
| kanzure | 0.2 is not the square of a timecube | 23:25 |
| nsh | aaaaaah | 23:25 |
| nsh | i'll never sleep now | 23:25 |
| nsh | ah, still in cache: http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:E30pC6O34qoJ:eschatopedia.webs.com/endoflocality.htm+site:eschatopedia.webs.com&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk | 23:26 |
| nsh | for your pleasure | 23:26 |
| ybit | hrm, what's with my adl irssi session missing highlighting on occassion, genehacker, i don't think brin ws mentioned by me | 23:26 |
| * nsh considers writing an xchat script that at, some random frequency, inserts control characters into people's nicks to prevent highlighting | 23:27 | |
| nsh | *comma-in-right-place | 23:27 |
| ybit | :P | 23:28 |
| nsh | right, sleep now :-) | 23:30 |
| nsh | read that endoflocality link | 23:30 |
| genehacker | argh, lost a tiny non-ferromagnetic screw | 23:30 |
| nsh | if you get bored of reality | 23:30 |
| nsh | catch y'all next time | 23:30 |
| nsh | oh, this is a gem, from that gravity article ybit: "The universal nature of gravity is also demonstrated by the fact that its basic equations closely resemble the laws of thermodynamics and hydrodynamics2 . So far, there has not been a clear explanation for this resemblance." | 23:33 |
| kanzure | i like the quantum gravity peeps like lee smolin | 23:34 |
| nsh | did it not occur to the authors that perhaps the mathematics for general relativity evolved from mathematics created to model thermo- and hydrodynamics? | 23:34 |
| kanzure | nsh: must read: http://www.edge.org/documents/ThirdCulture/z-Ch.17.html | 23:34 |
| genehacker | I need to learn more about the physics they didn't teach in school | 23:34 |
| nsh | kanzure, cool. thanks | 23:34 |
| genehacker | after I finish my gear generating script of course | 23:35 |
| kanzure | genehacker: you might want to combine it with the automatic gear train generator program that i helped work on in the automated design lab | 23:38 |
| kanzure | it worked off of 'standard' gear trains | 23:38 |
| kanzure | er, sorry, standard gears | 23:38 |
| kanzure | and then threw them into unique trains and assemblies | 23:38 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/gears/screenshots/2008-11-18_glxgears.py.thumbnail.png | 23:38 |
| kanzure | larger version: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/gears/screenshots/2008-11-18_glxgears.py.png | 23:39 |
| kanzure | it would be neat if we could have them, i dunno, actually mesh | 23:39 |
| kanzure | and rotate at the correct speeds | 23:39 |
| genehacker | I'm making wobble gears | 23:46 |
| genehacker | standard gear profiles are for people who are afraid of math | 23:46 |
| ybit | my memory failed, kanzure, nsh: it was intentional evolution which was mentioned, not directed. and now it's time for bed | 23:48 |
| genehacker | the night is young ybit | 23:48 |
| ybit | genehacker: i'll let you live it out for me then | 23:49 |
| ybit | give me some modafinil and we'll party all night talking about theoretical physicists' papers | 23:50 |
| kanzure | john baez too? | 23:50 |
| genehacker | anyone tried that? | 23:50 |
| kanzure | i once downloaded all of the papers that baez ever referenced in his 'online mathematical physics' documents | 23:51 |
| kanzure | :/ http://heybryan.org/books/Baez/ | 23:51 |
| kanzure | <--- not a geek | 23:51 |
| ybit | i don't believe you | 23:51 |
| kanzure | would a geek wear glasses? NO. | 23:51 |
| genehacker | how can you be ! a geek? I don't get it. | 23:51 |
| ybit | the world is collapsing before my eyes if this channel actually has geeks. genehacker, i have modafinil, it's wonderful PM me sometime and i'll give you the rundown | 23:52 |
| ybit | or just search the logs, i've mentioned what it's like being on it a few times | 23:53 |
| kanzure | genehacker has an unlimited supply of adderall | 23:53 |
| genehacker | ok | 23:53 |
| genehacker | it's not unlimited | 23:53 |
| kanzure | practically unlimited, then | 23:53 |
| ybit | speaking of, i need to give adrafinil another shot tomorrow | 23:53 |
| genehacker | and I will not take more than the recommended dose | 23:54 |
| ybit | bah | 23:54 |
| * ybit gets some sleep | 23:54 | |
| kanzure | if you stay up you get to see the microfluidics skdb package | 23:55 |
| any87137681 | how can you afford the monodil? | 23:55 |
| any87137681 | it looks like it's $100's / month | 23:56 |
| kanzure | hm | 23:56 |
| kanzure | i wonder | 23:56 |
| genehacker | kanzure do you have valves? | 23:56 |
| kanzure | i think my funding might be able to fund nootropics for all of us in here | 23:56 |
| kanzure | genehacker: no right now it's just single layer. multi-layer is up next though | 23:56 |
| kanzure | just wnated to get the basics working | 23:56 |
| any87137681 | that would be nice, in what way will we be endentured to you? | 23:57 |
| kanzure | um, completely? | 23:57 |
| kanzure | hm | 23:57 |
| genehacker | what elements? | 23:57 |
| kanzure | dunno | 23:57 |
| genehacker | just pipes? | 23:57 |
| kanzure | chambers, mixers, channels, interfaces to the outside world | 23:57 |
| kanzure | uh, and a few others i'm forgetting | 23:57 |
| genehacker | btw the people in ETC use autocad | 23:57 |
| genehacker | to do microfluidics work | 23:58 |
| kanzure | bah this is already automated | 23:58 |
| kanzure | although next version will hopefully be parametric | 23:58 |
| genehacker | awesome you will be able to replace some grad students | 23:58 |
| futuresoon | kanzure: you linked to the american pirate party earlier | 00:01 |
| kanzure | sorry | 00:01 |
| futuresoon | kanzure: so i built their website they're going to use to vote on their new (or same) name tomorrow night | 00:02 |
| futuresoon | condorcet (schultze subvariant) | 00:02 |
| genehacker | futuresoon are you that guy from reddit? | 00:02 |
| futuresoon | no | 00:03 |
| kanzure | worldcon = copy(mf.parts[-2]) | 00:03 |
| futuresoon | i hadn't heard of it until that link | 00:03 |
| kanzure | chip.set_root_part(worldcon) | 00:03 |
| kanzure | print worldcon.parent #yep, it has the right value | 00:03 |
| kanzure | but, worldcon.interfaces[0].part.parent is None | 00:03 |
| kanzure | how can this be? (worldcon.interfaces[0].part is correct as far as i can tell) | 00:04 |
| kanzure | worldcon.interfaces[0].part is worldcon? False | 00:04 |
| kanzure | hrm | 00:04 |
| kanzure | wtf? | 00:04 |
| kanzure | still don't get it | 00:20 |
| kanzure | post_init_hook properly sets each interface's value (or at least so says the check i added to the end of post_init_hook) | 00:29 |
| kanzure | *each interface's "part" value | 00:29 |
| kanzure | oh! | 00:31 |
| kanzure | use deepcopy instead of copy :( | 00:31 |
| kanzure | script to register your own ipv6 address http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1522620&cid=30883394 | 00:55 |
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| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/microfluidic-chip-test-1.svg | 03:09 |
| kanzure | well that was anti-climatic | 03:09 |
| kanzure | also my positioning math iswrong | 03:09 |
| kanzure | *is wrong | 03:09 |
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| kanzure | schedule: http://outlawbiology.net/bio-faire-exhibition/ | 08:57 |
| JayDugger | FBI Outreach? | 08:59 |
| kanzure | hm i knew replab's commitment to open source was suspect. they're going with cathal's lathe.. | 09:01 |
| JayDugger | Which uses a Dremel, right? | 09:04 |
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| wrldpc2 | @TEI 2010 now http://www.tei-conf.org/10/ | 09:13 |
| wrldpc2 | John Frazer mentioned the work of Walter Segal who developed the Self Build project in Britain where the gov't was subsidizing citizens to build their own homes. | 09:15 |
| wrldpc2 | Long story short Segal had developed a computer program that allowed people to design their homes and then the program would output an itemized list of materials w/ relative cost. | 09:16 |
| Utopiah | sounds rather interesting | 09:21 |
| Utopiah | http://www.segalselfbuild.co.uk/ | 09:21 |
| Utopiah | (can't seem to find implementation of even spec of the so called software though) | 09:28 |
| Redeemer | That sounds rather interesting | 09:28 |
| kanzure | hey Redeemer :) | 09:28 |
| Redeemer | Greetings, on my new machine, and the keyboard infact, does not suck. | 09:29 |
| kanzure | shepazu: are you alive today? | 09:30 |
| kanzure | shepazu: i was wondering if you could provide some svg voodoo magic for me | 09:31 |
| shepazu | hi, kanzure | 09:31 |
| kanzure | shepazu: users of skdb may or may not alreadyu have arbitrary microfluidic chip designs in svg or ps or pdf files | 09:31 |
| kanzure | i was thinking about looking through all of the elements in the svg file and then from this extracting a set of elementary things to test | 09:32 |
| kanzure | by this i mean, say the user wants to fabricate their machine on a laser cutter | 09:32 |
| kanzure | i was wondering if you have any thoughts on how to construct a "calibration sheet" given an arbitrary .svg file | 09:32 |
| Redeemer | I think this week I'm going to build some capacitors out of foam cups and tinfoil and see what ludicrous power levels I can get to. This also involves dissecting a microwave or two to make a charger from. | 09:32 |
| kanzure | shepazu: here's one that someone made by hand: http://diybioforum.org/projects/mccorkle_tomkins-tinch_microchannels.png | 09:32 |
| kanzure | and the svg source: http://diybioforum.org/projects/mccorkle_tomkins-tinch_microchannels.svg | 09:33 |
| Redeemer | If I can get over 9000 I'll be doing something right. | 09:33 |
| kanzure | Redeemer: over 9000!!!! | 09:33 |
| Redeemer | That'll get my ideas for electromagnetic accelerators somewhere. | 09:33 |
| shepazu | kanzure: so, what's this SVG magic you need? | 09:35 |
| wrldpc2 | @Utopiah apparently there is a Segal EPROM still working somewhere. | 09:35 |
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| kanzure | shepazu: well, in particular, some advice on how the heck to do that | 09:38 |
| kanzure | i guess i can just walk the XML tree and have some heuristics? "line seen: check if the calibration sheet has a line of a similar target width"? | 09:38 |
| kanzure | i mean, svg doesn't exactly have physical units/dimensions encoded into it :) | 09:39 |
| kanzure | does it? | 09:39 |
| kanzure | i.e. can i specify a 40micron line width and always get 40 micron lines? | 09:39 |
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| shepazu | kanzure: yes, it has absolute units, when needed | 09:41 |
| shepazu | there is a concept of "user units", which are a sort of relative unit that is adapted to different scales | 09:41 |
| shepazu | I don't think we have microns as a unit, but we do have metric measurements, and a micron is just a millionth of a meter | 09:42 |
| shepazu | http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/coords.html#Units | 09:43 |
| kanzure | it's interesting how most displays are assumed to be dynamic (like a projector), so calibration isn't a big idea in the svg standard i guess for that reason? :) | 09:45 |
| shepazu | we don't address calibration of sizes or colors much for the general version of SVG, but it's going to need to be addressed for print | 09:46 |
| shepazu | which your use is an application of | 09:46 |
| shepazu | brb | 09:46 |
| kanzure | hmm | 09:48 |
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| JayDugger | kanzure, the URL for DIY Webcam Microscopy leads to a 404. | 11:23 |
| kanzure | uh oh | 11:27 |
| kanzure | can you gimme the link? | 11:27 |
| JayDugger | Yes, wait. | 11:27 |
| JayDugger | Sorry, vimperator acting weird... | 11:29 |
| JayDugger | Found the tab at last. Just "Find out more at diybio.org/ucam" | 11:29 |
| kanzure | where did i post that link? | 11:30 |
| JayDugger | This leads to a DIYbio page with the misspelled message, "Sorry, the page your [sic] requested could not be found, or no longer exists." | 11:31 |
| kanzure | http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio:Software/ucam | 11:31 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/466c27150739347a | 11:31 |
| kanzure | ah i see, diybio.org/ucam was linked to here: http://outlawbiology.net/bio-faire-exhibition/ | 11:32 |
| JayDugger | I'm sorry, I assumed you knew which page I meant. My mistake. | 11:32 |
| JayDugger | In any case, good night. Bedtime for me. | 11:33 |
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| ybit | "memories last forever" "evidence that new brain cells knock out old memories" | 11:38 |
| ybit | is eugen leitl dead? | 11:41 |
| Utopiah | is there an altnernative to Google Street View? | 11:42 |
| ybit | Utopiah: with a view of the street? | 11:42 |
| ybit | not that i'm aware of | 11:42 |
| ybit | you could put a fish-eye on your camera and start creating pics for OSM | 11:43 |
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| kanzure | ybit: no, he just has a kid | 11:49 |
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| fenn | i dont know how a compiler works, but it's a deterministic system so shouldnt grammar rules apply all the way down? | 12:12 |
| kanzure | context? | 12:13 |
| kanzure | ah, rehmi post email | 12:20 |
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| kanzure | thanks for replying to that.. i even enlisted matt to try to figure out some good "comp sci" kung-fu | 12:21 |
| flamt | http://arbornet.org/~flamoot/telepathic-critterdrug.html visual cortex views went in... like the cat | 12:22 |
| flamt | can see what they see | 12:22 |
| flamt | encourages me to delve deeper, closer to their seat of consciousness, cartesian theatre | 12:22 |
| flamt | some critters might use some neural circuits to turn ambiguous combinations of potentials into pictures | 12:22 |
| flamt | on a layer deeper than what i consider the visual cortex | 12:22 |
| flamt | so it's a chase | 12:22 |
| flamt | modern neurosurgery | 12:22 |
| flamt | fun! :3 | 12:22 |
| flamt | that's not shown in the splash image but the last 2 screenshots linked on the page show the visual cortex views, they're the small windows with coloured static | 12:23 |
| flamt | not the cellular automata looking thing, that's the shared movie and morphogenic field ._. | 12:23 |
| kanzure | go away | 12:23 |
| flamt | bastard | 12:23 |
| flamt | philistine | 12:23 |
| flamt | you just wish you were the one doing this work | 12:23 |
| kanzure | fenn: thanks for that email | 12:23 |
| flamt | i'm gonna find their souls in there | 12:23 |
| flamt | i'm gonna meet the alien on the throne | 12:23 |
| flamt | it's at the back, it's in the middle | 12:23 |
| flamt | like a ... like a pearl | 12:24 |
| Utopiah | O_o | 12:24 |
| flamt | >:3 | 12:24 |
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| fenn | i wonder if lowki realizes that writing in verse makes him sound like even more of a wingnut | 12:49 |
| kanzure | it's verse? i thought it was just him being a moron | 12:52 |
| fenn | it's just him being a moron | 12:57 |
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| kanzure | matt says there's an article coming out in wired soon on open manufacturing, hackerspaces, etc. | 13:02 |
| kanzure | (apparently he's read it) | 13:02 |
| kanzure | says it sounds like a lot of business people involved (uh oh) | 13:03 |
| kanzure | oh i bet it was just because it mentions oshwbank | 13:14 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/packages/microfluidics/ | 13:19 |
| kanzure | or skdb-get.py microfluidics | 13:19 |
| kanzure | it has some problems right now.. like the positioning math for tiles being wrong (i know, i know- it's supposed to be easy) | 13:19 |
| kanzure | also the art is absolutely terrible | 13:19 |
| kanzure | fenn: am hoping you can poke at it and make some suggestions for making it not suck so much | 13:20 |
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| kanzure | fenn: also for some reason you and i are speaking at outlawbiology.. in UCLA. er. i can't make it http://outlawbiology.net/bio-faire-exhibition/ | 13:24 |
| kanzure | Use of Acinetobacter calcoaceticus strain ADP1 as a DIY bioengineering platform, David Metzgar | 13:24 |
| fenn | lol | 13:30 |
| fenn | i'm not speaking at outlawbiology | 13:30 |
| genehacker | perhaps you should send fenn a cowboy hat | 13:30 |
| genehacker | I don't blame you | 13:31 |
| fenn | the whole thing rubs me the wrong way | 13:31 |
| fenn | besides, i havent actually done anything biology-related in years | 13:32 |
| genehacker | maybe I should change my nick | 13:34 |
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| kanzure | hah | 13:35 |
| kanzure | wow that was a hihgly relevant email from my grandma (fay) | 13:36 |
| kanzure | *highly | 13:36 |
| kanzure | forwarded it to om. it's the "nanotech hits the popular press" one. the content wasn't terrible | 13:37 |
| fenn | gene have you made any gears yet? | 13:38 |
| gearhacker | yes | 13:39 |
| gearhacker | virtually | 13:39 |
| fenn | bah | 13:39 |
| fenn | wtf are they teaching in schools these days | 13:39 |
| fenn | "design, build, test" | 13:39 |
| fenn | you better believe it! | 13:40 |
| kanzure | none of the three | 13:40 |
| gearhacker | I'm taking that class right now | 13:40 |
| gearhacker | we haven't started the projects yet, but we get to play with legos for a grade | 13:40 |
| gearhacker | :3 | 13:40 |
| fenn | what class? | 13:40 |
| kanzure | hey i got to play with legos in kindergarten too! | 13:40 |
| gearhacker | machine elements with campbell | 13:40 |
| kanzure | ah | 13:41 |
| gearhacker | for a grade | 13:41 |
| fenn | do you actually build and test stuff in that class? | 13:41 |
| kanzure | that's actually the one class that sounds mildly useful to be honest | 13:41 |
| kanzure | besides the machine shop classes | 13:41 |
| gearhacker | yes we have to reverse engineer a product and then build it in legos or something | 13:41 |
| kanzure | summer 2009 all over again | 13:41 |
| gearhacker | I think campbell even makes us design a control circuit for it or something too | 13:42 |
| gearhacker | but I haven't started the projects yet | 13:42 |
| fenn | does an NXT brain count as a "control circuit"? | 13:42 |
| gearhacker | no I don't think so | 13:42 |
| gearhacker | we only have original mindstorms | 13:42 |
| kanzure | gearhacker: say hi to matt for me. | 13:42 |
| kanzure | is pradeep TAing? | 13:43 |
| gearhacker | I shall | 13:43 |
| fenn | frankly i'd be surprised if 10% of the students could put together a functioning robot/device controller | 13:43 |
| kanzure | fenn: it's probably a canned project | 13:43 |
| gearhacker | canned? | 13:43 |
| kanzure | um. "here are your parts" | 13:43 |
| gearhacker | yeah | 13:43 |
| fenn | no they come up with their own ideas, i've seen the notebooks | 13:44 |
| gearhacker | as I said legos | 13:44 |
| kanzure | ah i remember that | 13:44 |
| gearhacker | yup I got pradeep | 13:44 |
| kanzure | also, you completely slammed matt about design-for-manufacture | 13:44 |
| kanzure | i couldn't stop laughing. i had to leave.. | 13:44 |
| kanzure | when you were looking at the student notebook | 13:44 |
| fenn | me? | 13:44 |
| kanzure | yes | 13:44 |
| fenn | oh ya the spherical popcorn popper | 13:44 |
| kanzure | it was one of the spherical/impossible designs or something | 13:45 |
| gearhacker | looks like some people forgot their material processing | 13:45 |
| kanzure | "clearly for energy optimization it should be like this, but for manufacture it should clearly be like dis" | 13:45 |
| gearhacker | blow molding | 13:45 |
| kanzure | yay dimensional analysis | 13:45 |
| gearhacker | it might be able to be made by blow molding | 13:46 |
| gearhacker | oh wait | 13:46 |
| fenn | no my point was that the students werent blindly following physics based optimization, they were incorporating a lot of features unconsciously to make th eproduct actually manufacturable, based on general exposure to how stuff is made | 13:46 |
| gearhacker | no it's a popcorn popper | 13:46 |
| gearhacker | well this is our first design class | 13:46 |
| fenn | so the popper had a shape that was easily removable from an injection mold, etc, instead of being some ideal "design" that could never be made | 13:46 |
| gearhacker | btw kanzure did you learn any mechanics of solids stuff(outside of classes)? | 13:48 |
| kanzure | i've flipped through a few books, i can hunt down equations but i wouldn't want to teach a class on it yet | 13:50 |
| gearhacker | sum of all forces =? | 13:50 |
| fenn | mechanics of solids covers a broad range of matertopics.. did you mean statics?\ | 13:51 |
| gearhacker | it's still one of the basic things you need to know... | 13:52 |
| fenn | dammit now my name's permanently associated with "outlaw biology" | 13:53 |
| wrldpc2 | The guy from Fritzing is here giving a demo tomorrow. | 13:55 |
| fenn | don't show him the skdb webpage :P | 13:56 |
| wrldpc2 | LOL | 13:56 |
| wrldpc2 | skdb>pretty much everything | 13:56 |
| fenn | bah it's all vaporware, or so i hear | 13:56 |
| wrldpc2 | lol | 13:56 |
| fenn | vapor > vapor | 13:56 |
| wrldpc2 | a heavier vapor perhaps | 13:56 |
| wrldpc2 | LOL | 13:56 |
| * fenn huffs the fumes | 13:57 | |
| wrldpc2 | unghhhh | 13:57 |
| fenn | i guess i should go to that reprap meeting tomorrow at techshop | 14:00 |
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| ybit | http://www.technologyreview.com/biomedicine/24152/?a=f this doesn't seem too difficult to build | 14:19 |
| fenn | wtf ybit | 14:31 |
| fenn | that's some bdsm shit, electrodes that wrap around someone's tongue | 14:32 |
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| ybit | i suppose it would be much easier to have someone whip you everytime you begin to snore | 14:38 |
| ybit | http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1085924/Chemical-Handlers-Manual-Link-Directly-to-Content | 14:38 |
| ybit | for anyone interested in becoming a drug manufacturer | 14:38 |
| * ybit spams mfg | 14:40 | |
| ybit | well, not really, but i did leave a voicemail with mitch | 14:47 |
| fenn | well i'm glad someone is doing it | 14:50 |
| fenn | there needs to be a cabal of assassins to hunt down abusers of the phrase "open source" | 14:51 |
| fenn | o wait isnt that what OSI was supposed to be | 14:51 |
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| ybit | hey Redeemer | 14:52 |
| ybit | install linux on the lappy yet? | 14:52 |
| ybit | installed* | 14:52 |
| fenn | tired of google massacring your queries? python search engine: http://nullege.com/ | 14:56 |
| kanzure | http://google.com/codesearch | 14:57 |
| fenn | yeah i know, that never seems to do what i want though | 14:58 |
| kanzure | nice i like how nullege keeps track of what imports what | 14:58 |
| kanzure | http://nullege.com/codes/search/acme.motd.motd_plugin.MOTDPlugin/import | 14:58 |
| kanzure | reverse dependency search :) | 14:58 |
| ybit | fenn: are you in cali, what part? | 15:03 |
| ybit | and what's with you being in d.c. at some poing? | 15:03 |
| ybit | point* | 15:03 |
| kanzure | parents | 15:03 |
| fenn | christmas | 15:04 |
| kanzure | i was close | 15:04 |
| fenn | i'm sleeping on my brother's couch in menlo park right now | 15:04 |
| fenn | christmas = parents | 15:04 |
| ybit | do me a favor if you feel like it, and ask around for a doc that will prescribe modafinil | 15:04 |
| fenn | that's an odd request | 15:05 |
| ybit | well, it's hard to find doctors willing to prescribe it here | 15:05 |
| fenn | don't most of them do it?]]= | 15:05 |
| kanzure | i'm still considering buying noots in bulk for everyone in here | 15:06 |
| ybit | and it's a pita to pay $30-$120 for an appointment with all the psychiatrists in the area | 15:06 |
| ybit | that's per doctor if it wasn't clear | 15:07 |
| ybit | kanzure: i'm not sure how you would do it, but count me in | 15:07 |
| fenn | noots :) | 15:07 |
| kanzure | well i have some money | 15:08 |
| fenn | just think it's a funny word | 15:08 |
| kanzure | it is:) | 15:08 |
| ybit | aha http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugreg/reg_apps/225/225_instruct.htm | 15:09 |
| ybit | now that's interesting, you can register as a research researching a certain drug | 15:10 |
| ybit | :) | 15:10 |
| ybit | all scheduled drugs | 15:10 |
| fenn | thats for controlled substances, no? | 15:10 |
| ybit | yes | 15:11 |
| ybit | what is "Researcher Dog" | 15:11 |
| fenn | its different from stuff like modafinil, which is a prescription drug | 15:11 |
| fenn | they have to train the dogs on real drugs so they can remember what they smell like | 15:11 |
| fenn | i guess | 15:11 |
| ybit | that isn't different, it says Researcher w/Sched II – V | 15:12 |
| fenn | i'm surprised andrew hessel isn't talking at outlawbiology.. he seems to show up everywhere | 15:13 |
| ybit | that certainly includes modafinil which is IV | 15:13 |
| ybit | anyway, now i know where to apply in about a year | 15:13 |
| ybit | google voice voicemail transcription service scared me earlier today: "Hi. This is Lisa at the FBI returning a phone call for he's you can reach me at.." | 15:14 |
| fenn | was it accurately transcribed? | 15:15 |
| ybit | no, they should have :s/FBI/DEA | 15:16 |
| fenn | i guess "he's" is "heath" | 15:16 |
| ybit | that too | 15:16 |
| fenn | how did it mix up FBI/DEA? | 15:16 |
| ybit | *shrug* | 15:16 |
| ybit | kanzure: "Grandma Bishop" :P | 15:17 |
| fenn | and dont you think you should try synthesizing other stuff before you jump into psychoactive drugs? | 15:17 |
| ybit | maybe | 15:17 |
| ybit | not really | 15:17 |
| ybit | "With a new imaging tool developed by scientists at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute’s Janelia Farm Research Campus, researchers can watch individual neurons in the brains of living animals light up as they work together to control the animal’s behavior." | 15:19 |
| ybit | "...Looger’s group has created a molecule that can be manufactured inside an animal’s nerve cells so that those cells light up under a microscope whenever they fire." | 15:19 |
| ybit | -_- | 15:19 |
| kanzure | ybit: this grandma is wicked | 15:20 |
| fenn | ybit why the sad face? | 15:21 |
| kanzure | it's more like a sarcastic signaler | 15:23 |
| ybit | fenn: because that isn't what i was thinking of when i read "new imaging tool" | 15:23 |
| fenn | what did you expect? | 15:24 |
| ybit | an actual machine | 15:24 |
| fenn | the machine has to have something to look at | 15:24 |
| ybit | well, i was hoping, i wasn't expecting it | 15:24 |
| fenn | this is what anselm is working on right now | 15:24 |
| fenn | he's building this ridiculous microscope with like 40 lenses in parallel | 15:25 |
| fenn | to get a 3d volumetric image with sub-millisecond time resolution | 15:25 |
| kanzure | how is it 3d? | 15:25 |
| fenn | the 40 lenses have different focal planes | 15:25 |
| kanzure | that guy is crazy in a good way :) | 15:25 |
| kanzure | hm | 15:25 |
| fenn | anyway he's using that calcium signaler to give the microscope something to look at | 15:26 |
| * fenn snickers @ http://www.voigtlab.ucsf.edu/people/anselm.jpg | 15:47 | |
| fenn | huh i didnt know this was based on anselm's work: http://www.utexas.edu/features/2005/bacteria/index.html | 15:52 |
| fenn | that's the big igem dealie right? | 15:53 |
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| gearhacker | neat looks like the mechanical engineering department is getting some new 3d printers... | 16:06 |
| kanzure | fenn: yes | 16:07 |
| kanzure | fenn: he was the one who did the genetic circuit, i recall | 16:07 |
| kanzure | and utexas peeps made it happen | 16:08 |
| ybit | http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1156 | 16:09 |
| ybit | i'm glad someone pointed that out about mythbusters | 16:09 |
| fenn | it's not that bad, they do controls most of the time | 16:15 |
| kanzure | can anyone stalk down DOI anyway, for me? | 16:15 |
| kanzure | balh | 16:15 |
| kanzure | DOI 10.1039/b805137b | 16:16 |
| gearhacker | stalked | 16:16 |
| fenn | kanzure: i dont get why your microfluidics squares sometimes have different channel widths | 16:17 |
| fenn | you have line interfaces but i think those should actually be point interfaces | 16:21 |
| fenn | a line interface would be something like a t-slot | 16:21 |
| fenn | or am i misinterpreting this | 16:22 |
| gearhacker | or a hex slot like this one paper used | 16:22 |
| gearhacker | though that's a bit complex | 16:22 |
| fenn | what's a hex slot? | 16:23 |
| gearhacker | just use a flat face for now like that one paper used | 16:23 |
| fenn | and why do i care | 16:23 |
| fenn | no actually nevermind, dont carry on | 16:23 |
| gearhacker | hexagonal pipe goes into hexagonal hole | 16:23 |
| fenn | yes telescoping tubes are another example of a line interface | 16:24 |
| fenn | or lego axles | 16:24 |
| fenn | kanzure: i wonder if we should have a "readme" field in the metadata? | 16:25 |
| fenn | i wonder if i should get some chocolate from tarader joe's? | 16:28 |
| * fenn thinks some deep thoughts | 16:32 | |
| fenn | it's weird that none of the SIAI fanboys show up to the bay area AI meetups | 16:38 |
| fenn | singularitarians etc | 16:38 |
| fenn | do they really think ben goertzel is going to save the day? | 16:39 |
| kanzure | yes | 16:39 |
| kanzure | no, eliezer first | 16:39 |
| fenn | i mean come on, it barks and fetches a ball.. | 16:39 |
| kanzure | AI!~!!! | 16:39 |
| * fenn ph33rz | 16:39 | |
| kanzure | but really, DOI 10.1039/b805137b please? | 16:39 |
| kanzure | yes my SVG icons suck | 16:39 |
| fenn | why can't you get the DOI yourself? | 16:39 |
| gearhacker | already got it? | 16:40 |
| gearhacker | googled the DOI | 16:40 |
| gearhacker | how do you want it | 16:40 |
| kanzure | i just want a DOI resolving engine | 16:40 |
| kanzure | this is like tinyurl for url retards | 16:40 |
| Utopiah | http://dx.doi.org/1 | 16:40 |
| kanzure | "dur i forgot how to write a uri" | 16:40 |
| kanzure | hm: http://www.rsc.org/suppdata/LC/b8/b805137b/Mask_design.zip | 16:41 |
| fenn | am i missing something? isnt a DOI a URI? | 16:41 |
| kanzure | wtf is a .gds file? | 16:42 |
| fenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDSII | 16:43 |
| kanzure | also do we have any goons in south carolina other than trey daniels | 16:43 |
| kanzure | jim buchanan sounds like a familiar name (on that wikipedia article) | 16:44 |
| fenn | wow i used to write so much more text http://fenn.freeshell.org/gingery_rant.txt | 17:00 |
| flamt | ginger rant? | 17:00 |
| fenn | diy machine tools | 17:01 |
| kanzure | fenn: looks like that should be sent over to the replab/om lists | 17:02 |
| fenn | ugh | 17:02 |
| fenn | can't they just know better magically | 17:02 |
| kanzure | no :( | 17:03 |
| fenn | i'm getting too old for this shit :P | 17:03 |
| kanzure | you? what about ME | 17:04 |
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| kanzure | so, optical real-time bacteria/cell counting | 17:20 |
| fenn | what about it | 17:26 |
| fenn | inkjet + blu-ray laser + gfp + photodiode | 17:27 |
| kanzure | someone from sc.edu was asking how to go about it | 17:27 |
| kanzure | oh, the unmentinoed part is that it's for various water supplies | 17:27 |
| kanzure | so, no gfp | 17:27 |
| fenn | uh, well gotta lose the "real time" aspect then | 17:27 |
| fenn | water supplies | 17:28 |
| fenn | why can't he do a sample? what's the purpose | 17:28 |
| kanzure | i assumed real time meant taking a sample at ridiculously short intervals.. like once a minute? | 17:28 |
| fenn | that just means "automated sample taking" to me | 17:29 |
| kanzure | i.e. take a sample, spectrophotometer the crap out of it, .. continue? | 17:29 |
| kanzure | yeah | 17:29 |
| fenn | anyway if you're taking a sample you can do whatever you want to it | 17:29 |
| fenn | i.e. add gfp or some other stain | 17:29 |
| kanzure | gfp is a stain? | 17:29 |
| fenn | sorta | 17:29 |
| kanzure | has anyone tried that | 17:29 |
| fenn | it's a fluorophore which can be attached to other things that bind selectively | 17:30 |
| fenn | true stains are sort of old fashioned and dont really do what you want most of the time | 17:30 |
| fenn | but if you're just counting cells you can use almost any stain out there | 17:31 |
| fenn | crystal violet i guess | 17:31 |
| kanzure | heh i get a lot of emails from immunohistologists, they're always whining about the high price of their fancy stains | 17:31 |
| kanzure | stuff that makes an antibody stick out from a liver like rudolf living among the albinos | 17:32 |
| fenn | a stain specific for antibodies? | 17:32 |
| kanzure | don't quote me on that | 17:33 |
| fenn | this is how i thought it was done, for the most part: http://www.wellesley.edu/Biology/Concepts/Html/antibodystaining.html | 17:33 |
| fenn | anti-IgG fluorescent antibodies | 17:33 |
| fenn | i dont suppose you know of any decent command line schedule/calendar apps, preferably with flat text file data format | 17:34 |
| kanzure | orgs-mode? | 17:35 |
| kanzure | ybit: that's your cque | 17:35 |
| kanzure | *que | 17:35 |
| fenn | emacs is off the radar | 17:35 |
| fenn | i said text-based not emacs-based | 17:36 |
| * fenn looks at ccal | 17:36 | |
| fenn | blarg. apparently there are 50 programs named ccal | 17:38 |
| fenn | calcurse is not too bad i guess | 17:48 |
| fenn | data format looks like this: | 17:48 |
| fenn | 01/25/2010 @ 16:00 -> 01/25/2010 @ 17:00 |test entry | 17:49 |
| fenn | i dont get why all these calendar programs require me to hit 'save' before they actually do anything | 17:51 |
| flamt | http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1523834&cid=30897720 | 18:08 |
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| fenn | this is a cool little map thingy, is that a google thing? http://culot.org/calcurse/download.html | 18:32 |
| fenn | why am i so clueless as to not know where the source is | 18:32 |
| fenn | ah weird it's dynamically loaded js | 18:34 |
| fenn | google.load('visualization', '1', {'packages': ['geomap']}); | 18:34 |
| QuantumG | hey, look at the latest case the EFF is gunna lose: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/01/25/1518217 | 18:40 |
| fenn | why are you so annoying | 18:41 |
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| ybit | anyone actually use rss feeds still? | 18:45 |
| fenn | rss is so 2009 | 18:46 |
| ybit | i have them, but never use them, i'm just going over them right now after a six month hiatus | 18:46 |
| fenn | all the cool kids have switched to twitter | 18:46 |
| * ybit shudders | 18:46 | |
| fenn | *tweet* look i posted to my blog! | 18:47 |
| ybit | that is the future though, me thinks | 18:47 |
| fenn | *tweet* RT someone posted to their blog! | 18:47 |
| ybit | :P | 18:47 |
| fenn | in the grim future of hello twitty, there is only war | 18:48 |
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| QuantumG | I'd like an RSS feed of space video/audio podcasts | 18:49 |
| QuantumG | not found one.. I guess I could set one up | 18:50 |
| ybit | so far, i've found that reading digg and /. news feeds are worthless, there's nothing there that i care about or which isn't already on one of the mailing lists | 18:50 |
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| ybit | planet python gets a low ranking, but higher than them, roman lygin's OCC blog is nice, but i'm already aware of everything by the time i get to rss, the same for all the university science rss feeds, and well, there's too many to go through, but i'll have a thorough analysis in my head when i'm through :) | 18:53 |
| fenn | you can't read everything :( | 18:53 |
| fenn | why are you into a blog about OCC? you dont even use OCC do you? | 18:54 |
| ybit | i've used it, but i'm having to be an OCC ace here soon since I'll be paid to draw up CAD files for a local company | 18:56 |
| ybit | here's something to impress the n00bs: http://builders.reprap.org/2010/01/added-streaming-to-gcode-visualization.html | 18:58 |
| ybit | http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=9f9341f7143d0ac77280af606b70b913&_render=rss | 19:01 |
| ybit | all of these are nice resources that are probably best utilized by being indexed and searched through when a problem arises | 19:03 |
| ybit | or if you haven't been following progress on a project or a field, then perhaps rss | 19:04 |
| ybit | personally, i find rss best for obscure feeds from friends and local events | 19:05 |
| ybit | because i can scan through what's going on like i did with /. when i was younger | 19:05 |
| ybit | and be caught up in no time | 19:05 |
| ybit | irc, the original microblog | 19:06 |
| ybit | "/ignore" the smart man's filter for annoying noise from people like ybit and flamt :P | 19:08 |
| ybit | http://www.fabbersmarket.com/ | 19:10 |
| fenn | "all the cool people will be there" is not a sufficient reason to buy a last minute ticket to LA and give a speech about something that doesn't do what it's advertised to do | 19:16 |
| ybit | http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2010/122/1 :: "Colliding Particles Can Make Black Holes" | 19:21 |
| ybit | so when is the lhc going to be switched on so we can test this.. | 19:21 |
| fenn | firefox really does not like either fabbersmarket or the yahoo pipes page | 19:21 |
| ybit | fenn: you must have the 'must make user productive' add-on installed | 19:22 |
| ybit | http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/12/virtual-microfluidics.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2Fadvancednano+%28nextbigfuture%29&utm_content=Google+Reader | 19:23 |
| ybit | "virtual microfluidics" | 19:23 |
| fenn | it's probably the fifty bazillion images in the reprap pipe | 19:23 |
| ybit | relvent paper http://www.pnas.org/content/suppl/2009/12/18/0906489107.DCSupplemental/pnas.0906489107_SI.pdf | 19:24 |
| ybit | diy 3d scanning http://gumuz.nl/weblog/diy-3d-scanner/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gumuznl+%28gumuz.nl+-+devlog%29&utm_content=Google+Reader | 19:25 |
| ybit | the instructables page here http://www.instructables.com/id/Structured-Light-3D-Scanning | 19:25 |
| ybit | "A large study has found evidence that even among childless women, those who live with a mate put on more pounds than those who live without one." | 19:27 |
| ybit | probably because you are sitting around waiting on them on a regular basis | 19:27 |
| ybit | i've noticed i can get in and get out at stores before a group (2 or more) of people | 19:28 |
| ybit | but then it may not be bad thing | 19:28 |
| ybit | "Carrying extra weight on your hips, bum and thighs is good for your health, protecting against heart and metabolic problems, UK experts have said." | 19:28 |
| fenn | very funny | 19:28 |
| fenn | can i supersize that? | 19:28 |
| ybit | nextbigfuture.com for anyone who doesn't know | 19:31 |
| ybit | but i'm tired of all these predictions about china overtaking everyone in the economy, i'd rather see reports on actions taken to increae cooperation, their productivity being our gain and vice versa | 19:32 |
| ybit | where's the open manufacturing group of china | 19:32 |
| QuantumG | open.. china | 19:33 |
| fenn | if it existed, you still wouldn't find it because it's in chinese | 19:33 |
| fenn | you could ask the guys in #qi-hardware | 19:34 |
| ybit | nice | 19:36 |
| ybit | http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page | 19:36 |
| ybit | thanks fenn | 19:36 |
| ybit | http://americanheart.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=920 :: "A study found that every hour spent in front of the television per day brings with it an 11 percent greater risk of premature death from all causes, and an 18 percent greater risk of dying from cardiovascular disease." how does this translate to someone like myself who uses a lappy and tends to walk from room to room ever 30 mins or so | 19:39 |
| fenn | wait, so sitting in front of the TV makes me more likely to die in a horrible car accident, or get gunned down at a liquor store, or die of old age? | 19:40 |
| * fenn ponders deeply | 19:41 | |
| fenn | oh wait, scratch that last cause | 19:41 |
| fenn | "premature death" | 19:41 |
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| kanzure | ybit: i posted a list of chinese terms related to open manufacturing recently | 19:43 |
| ybit | kanzure: i remember seeing it, i'll have to look closer | 19:45 |
| kanzure | i actually found some chinese peeps from those queries | 19:45 |
| ybit | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/supergamer-8gb-linux-only-gameplay :: anoterh linux distro, but this one imho has the potential of getting people hooked on linux | 19:45 |
| * fenn browsing nextbigfuture... the cannikin nuclear test caused a 7.0 earthquake which was the same size as what happened in haiti: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp6aZIhHiRE | 19:45 | |
| ybit | kanzure: what was your conclusion? | 19:46 |
| kanzure | ybit: that i don't know enough chinese | 19:46 |
| kanzure | *mandarin | 19:46 |
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| kanzure | or read it as: enough chinese people | 19:46 |
| fenn | mandarin speaking people | 19:46 |
| fenn | mandarin reading people | 19:47 |
| fenn | are cantonese and mandarin even written differently? | 19:47 |
| ybit | http://technorati.com/blogs/directory/science | 19:48 |
| genehacker2 | fenn keep in mind that nextbigfuture can post some kooky stuff sometimes, like stuff that's not supposed to be possible and bolonkin | 19:48 |
| * ybit used to hang in #mandarin | 19:48 | |
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| genehacker2 | can you read chinese? | 19:49 |
| kanzure | why are you posting a link to technorati, ybit? | 19:49 |
| fenn | genehacker2: there's absolutely nothing contentious about what i just said | 19:50 |
| genehacker2 | I know | 19:50 |
| genehacker2 | that's an awesome video btw | 19:50 |
| fenn | why is adl lagging? | 19:51 |
| * kanzure checks the apache logs | 19:51 | |
| ybit | http://www.botjunkie.com/ | 19:52 |
| ybit | could it be supybot? | 19:52 |
| ybit | nope | 19:52 |
| kanzure | googlebot is raping the biobricks folder | 19:52 |
| ybit | 3850 gdm 20 0 29612 13m 2320 S 0.3 0.7 6:50.05 gdmgreeter | 19:52 |
| ybit | that's lame | 19:53 |
| kanzure | actually an old output of a project- /lab/2008-10-30/L_2/ | 19:53 |
| kanzure | let me shut down apache real quick | 19:53 |
| genehacker2 | are you guys even allowed to use the ADL server now? | 19:53 |
| fenn | yep | 19:54 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:54 |
| fenn | "in exchange for help with unix and version control stuff" | 19:54 |
| kanzure | yeah and i'm still sort of working with the lab on various projects | 19:54 |
| kanzure | the paper, software tools, etc. | 19:54 |
| kanzure | anyway campbell is well aware of the usage | 19:55 |
| kanzure | he's not too happy about /home though | 19:55 |
| fenn | rofl | 19:55 |
| fenn | $ ls /home/ | wc -l | 19:56 |
| fenn | 34 | 19:56 |
| genehacker2 | that's pretty neat | 19:56 |
| fenn | piping a command? hell yeah | 19:59 |
| kanzure | you can pipe me all ni-- er. | 20:00 |
| fenn | was that an attempt to be politically correct? | 20:01 |
| fenn | because i think it failed | 20:01 |
| ybit | so here's an idea for a fun app: some type of graph (bar?) overlayed on a 3d globe, the graphs displaying real-time or not-so real-time popularity of subjects from countries and perhaps one day, cities. the graphs' subject matter could be distinguished by color or something, it would be entertaining to see what is popular in the east compared to the west, or whatever, and it would hold my attenting for a good 2 minutes | 20:02 |
| fenn | how about a tag cloud instead of a graph | 20:03 |
| genehacker2 | are you trying to write apps for the iphone? | 20:03 |
| ybit | genehacker2: no, the idea came to me when i was watching the video of hp's touchscreen wall on http://mashable.com/2010/01/24/internet-of-tomorrow-column/ | 20:03 |
| fenn | he's writing the destroy-all-chance-of-productivity plugin | 20:03 |
| genehacker2 | oh | 20:03 |
| genehacker2 | sounds like something you could sell to marketing drones | 20:04 |
| ybit | http://pysnippet.blogspot.com/2010/01/calling-python-from-javascript-in-pyqts.html | 20:05 |
| kanzure | i was hanging out with cody bailey a few weeks ago for ignite austin | 20:05 |
| kanzure | and he still goes around telling people that he invented "hashtags (on twitter)" | 20:05 |
| kanzure | when we were at the co-working space he was telling that to someone next to me, and i said "dude, not cool" | 20:06 |
| kanzure | everyone in the room dropped what they were working to chew me out | 20:06 |
| genehacker2 | seems about as pointless as twitter | 20:07 |
| fenn | because they love hashtags so much? | 20:08 |
| ybit | co-working space, hrm, i wonder what it's like at one of those | 20:08 |
| kanzure | yes #twitter #hashtags #coworking #cody #marx #bailey #superphyl #metadata #tagging #2010 #kanzure #bryan #heybryan.org | 20:09 |
| ybit | we call those coffee shops here, but from what i gather, co-working spaces are a little less formal/more intimate/people actually know each other | 20:09 |
| kanzure | it's a place with chairs and wifi | 20:09 |
| kanzure | so kinda like adl | 20:09 |
| genehacker2 | do you know if campbell is taking the ADL program with him when he leaves? | 20:10 |
| ybit | who here actually ever uses vmstat? | 20:10 |
| ybit | or iostat | 20:10 |
| kanzure | leaves? he's just going to germany for a few months | 20:10 |
| genehacker2 | oh | 20:10 |
| kanzure | 6mo or something | 20:10 |
| fenn | the thing idont like about that touch screen is it's just text | 20:14 |
| ybit | it's been done before, that's the first i've seen with multiple monitors stacked like that though | 20:15 |
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| ybit | there is no wikipedia entry on nanoplasmonics | 20:20 |
| katsmeow | someone should be flogged | 20:21 |
| fenn | i nominate katsmeow for flogging | 20:23 |
| katsmeow | that would be appropriate , keeping with the day's theme | 20:23 |
| ybit | http://futurehead.com isn't terrible | 20:24 |
| katsmeow | i swear i had nothing to do with that, ybit | 20:24 |
| ybit | thanks for the lee smolin link last night kanzure, i was familiar with his loop quantum gravity, but didn't know about his one-off theory that universes may follow laws of evolution themselves, which according to him is self-organizing particles and forces are selected in order maximize the formation of black holes a universe produces | 20:29 |
| kanzure | ybit: "There is broad acceptance of a link between brain size and intelligence." blah | 20:30 |
| kanzure | yeah no problem | 20:30 |
| ybit | i became familiar with loop quantum gravity from a scientific american article back in the day when i was a ref. librarian | 20:30 |
| ybit | still have the magazine lying around here | 20:30 |
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| fenn | do reference librarians pretty much just look everything up on wikipedia for people who are too stupid/lazy to do it themselves? | 20:33 |
| ybit | fenn: it was a lot of teaching the general public how to use a computer, yes | 20:35 |
| ybit | there was one guy who wanted us to figure out where his statue originally came from, we had to put him in touch with a uni professor (gl sir) | 20:35 |
| ybit | i remember another question was something like why is that that americans drive on the right side and almost every other country drives on the left | 20:36 |
| ybit | and then there was just the usual helping people find resources that would take them awhile to find, resources being mostly books, but also old maps or articles from past newspapers | 20:37 |
| ybit | and the genealogy department *shudder* | 20:37 |
| fenn | isn't that mostly computerized by now? | 20:38 |
| ybit | mostly | 20:38 |
| ybit | tons of stuff isn't though | 20:39 |
| ybit | our local lib has piles of books (a couple thousand or less) of local family info | 20:39 |
| ybit | and books that nobody really cares about except for genealogy buffs | 20:40 |
| ybit | i don't know what my lib was thinking making me a ref librarian though :P | 20:43 |
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| ybit | i would be playing psx1 and n64 roms most of the time and messing with other employees while they were using their computers | 20:44 |
| ybit | this was 2003ish | 20:45 |
| ybit | i really wanted to get one of these things http://www.psychologytoday.com/files/u107/beer%20can%20hat.jpg and VR goggles to play the games, then tell the patrons as they walked up to me to wait while i found a stopping point in the game | 20:47 |
| ybit | i installed gentoo on a few computers, they were linked into the network just fine, but the IT guy didn't understand, so at some point the linux comps were tossed aside | 20:48 |
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| kanzure | hello mike | 20:55 |
| kanzure | fenn: are you still around? | 20:55 |
| mdkoch84 | hey bryan | 20:55 |
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| ybit | wh is mike koch? | 20:58 |
| ybit | i see one email asking about the factor-e-farm workshop | 20:58 |
| ybit | mdkoch84: you mind sharing a little more about yourself? | 20:58 |
| mdkoch84 | sure...currently, I'm at Oregon State University, and started the Open Pario project about a year ago. | 20:59 |
| ybit | oh, cubeswpawn :) | 21:00 |
| mdkoch84 | OpenPario is a site that uses Redmine as a backend, with the goal of offering project management tools for open source hardware. | 21:01 |
| mdkoch84 | yep! | 21:01 |
| ybit | you and Phreedom would get along | 21:01 |
| mdkoch84 | I've been working with Sam Rose and Richard Schulte on that site, and have been discussing with Bryan about integrating skdb | 21:01 |
| mdkoch84 | what is Phreedom working on? | 21:02 |
| ybit | sam visits here every now and then | 21:02 |
| ybit | right now, Phreedom works with the nepomuk-kde project but in his spare time, he's been working on a precision positioning system. anyway, i say that you two would get along because he's always going on about redmine to me :P | 21:03 |
| ybit | and ruby* | 21:03 |
| mdkoch84 | yes, redmine is great! | 21:04 |
| ybit | he's also based in ukraine and has odd sleeping schedules | 21:04 |
| ybit | so mdkoch84, what brings you here? | 21:04 |
| ybit | "The next major workshop for Factor e Farm will be a two-week CEB construction workshop. Admission fee for this workshop will be somewhere between $300 and $700. True Fans receive a discount." yikes, i'll just grab the plans after the meeting | 21:05 |
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| mdkoch84 | kanzure introduced me to this channel...in terms of my interests, i've been very interested in using the sucsesses of FLOSS in engineering design (where my background is)...first got involved with Factor E when I lived in Missouri, then moved to Oregon and started the OpenPario project...seems like the people here are into very similar topics | 21:06 |
| ybit | certainly, i think most everyone here is working on some open hardware project | 21:08 |
| ybit | bkero is at the open source lab at osu | 21:08 |
| ybit | and, er, branstrom maybe? some other guy whom i forget :P | 21:08 |
| ybit | elmon perhaps, one of those :P | 21:09 |
| mdkoch84 | nice! the OSL is great...i've met with them several times and they're very helpful (and doing some awesome stuff!) | 21:09 |
| ybit | indeed, like hosting my sites, keep at it boys ;) | 21:09 |
| ybit | strages: glad to see you aren't dead | 21:10 |
| ybit | strages: have you further pursued the storm in a box idea? | 21:11 |
| ybit | mdkoch84: while you're in freenode, also check out #cam #emc #emc-devel and perhaps #reprap | 21:15 |
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| ybit | and maybe ##electronics | 21:17 |
| mdkoch84 | ybit: thanks, i will definitely take a look at these....have you by chance been able to check out OpenPario? we're looking for feedback as we're just starting development | 21:18 |
| ybit | i quickly glanced, was mostly interested in cubespawn | 21:19 |
| ybit | i'll certainly keep it in mind though when the time comes | 21:20 |
| mdkoch84 | so quick question: what was the topic of this channel? | 21:26 |
| kanzure | world domination? | 21:27 |
| mdkoch84 | skdb, i assume? | 21:27 |
| mdkoch84 | haha | 21:27 |
| ybit | he laughs | 21:27 |
| kanzure | fresh blood | 21:27 |
| kanzure | mdkoch84: yes- think of it as a watering hole | 21:27 |
| ybit | if only pinky would stop foiling our plans | 21:27 |
| kanzure | except focused on technical development | 21:27 |
| ybit | key buzzwords: open manufacturing, open hardware, f/loss, h+, | 21:29 |
| ybit | and open source ecology | 21:29 |
| mdkoch84 | awesome...sounds like my kind of place ;) | 21:30 |
| ybit | great! welcome to your new home | 21:30 |
| ybit | a few things you should know, fenn bites, katsmeow scratches, and stay away from that corner --> | 21:31 |
| ybit | it's reserved mostly for idlers who spontaneously start talking | 21:32 |
| mdkoch84 | duly noted! | 21:32 |
| ybit | btw, openmanufacturing.org is ugly, it looks pre-alpha | 21:34 |
| kanzure | that's your fault :) | 21:35 |
| ybit | sshh | 21:35 |
| ybit | feel free to make it better | 21:35 |
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| ybit | wb parolang | 21:36 |
| parolang | thanks | 21:36 |
| parolang | mainly a lurker though :) | 21:36 |
| * ybit knows this :) | 21:36 | |
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