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| ybit | kanzure: because nobody except you has thought about "can has afm" :) | 00:20 |
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| ybit | fabhow.com *cough* | 00:20 |
| ybit | this idea of a moon-brain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrioshka_brain | 00:27 |
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| Utopiah | http://sampledb.genome10k.org/ | 02:46 |
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| Utopiah | ybit: I think Matrioshka brain are not supposed to be limited to be just to a moon but (at least that's how I understood it from Accelerando) can be an entire star system | 02:48 |
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| katsmeow-afk | http://www.digimedia.com/ owns make.com | 03:46 |
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| nmz787 | anyone awake? | 03:49 |
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| fenn | there was a plane crash in palo alto yesterday too (accidental) | 03:58 |
| nmz787 | the heads of some important company | 03:58 |
| fenn | tesla motors, not the heads of the company afaik | 03:59 |
| nmz787 | right, investors? | 03:59 |
| fenn | 3 electrical engineers | 03:59 |
| fenn | hit a power line.. how ironic | 04:00 |
| nmz787 | :P | 04:00 |
| QuantumG | Musk said the victims were plane owner and pilot Doug Bourn, 56, a senior electrical engineer from Santa Clara; Brian Finn, a 42-year-old senior interactive electronics manager from East Palo Alto; and electrical engineer Andrew Ingram, who lived in Palo Alto and turned 31 on Monday. | 04:00 |
| nmz787 | wow | 04:01 |
| QuantumG | light twin aircraft.. at least twice as dangerous as driving they say :) | 04:04 |
| fenn | about as dangerous as tearing ass out of the tesla dealership onto el camino real, then | 04:05 |
| nmz787 | how is it 2x more dangerous? | 04:06 |
| QuantumG | well, as I heard it, the dangerous part about flying a light twin aircraft is that most amateur pilots don't have a plan for what to do when a situation arises that really requires expertise.. | 04:08 |
| fenn | 2 engines to fail! duh! | 04:08 |
| QuantumG | heh :) | 04:09 |
| ybit | paul has really poured a lot into this wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobless_recovery | 04:28 |
| ybit | he mentions open hardware in the gift economy section | 04:28 |
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| JayDugger | And now for a productive day! | 09:19 |
| nsh | fenn, do you have susskind's black hole wars, by any chance? | 10:39 |
| kanzure | congratulations, you get to talk with your funder! | 10:47 |
| kanzure | caveat: he speaks a foreign language and you can only say "yes, yes, ahuh, ahuh" because you don't understand a single fucken word | 10:48 |
| kanzure | i don't know what to do | 10:50 |
| JayDugger | Seriously? | 10:51 |
| JayDugger | I'll happily play straight man, but that set-up demands a punchline. | 10:52 |
| JayDugger | Hire a translator with the funding? | 10:54 |
| kanzure | for this much money, i should be the translator | 11:15 |
| JayDugger | Buy a two-way dictionary with the funding? | 11:16 |
| kanzure | you and your solution-oriented thinking! | 11:52 |
| JayDugger | Okay, if you want to blow the funding, get me this model: | 11:53 |
| JayDugger | http://fantastic-plastic.com/ProjectOrionBattleshipCatalogPage.htm | 11:53 |
| kanzure | (there's an invisible snarkmark in my last comment) | 11:53 |
| kanzure | oh that's just a drop in the ocean jay | 11:54 |
| kanzure | you want it? | 11:54 |
| kanzure | :P | 11:54 |
| kanzure | of course, there's no way in hell i'm going to buy it | 11:54 |
| kanzure | but yeah | 11:54 |
| kanzure | i need to dash- off to a meeting with another investor | 11:54 |
| JayDugger | Not as much as I want `sudo skdb make me a working project orion battleship`. :P | 11:55 |
| kanzure | "excuse me sirs, why are you throwing money at me" | 11:55 |
| JayDugger | Purely for peaceful exploration, you understand. | 11:55 |
| kanzure | of course | 11:55 |
| kanzure | stalk: infoswell media | 11:59 |
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| kanzure | stalk: talkshoe | 13:47 |
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| kanzure | (02:13:23 PM) Sam Putman: If you spent 10% as much time coding as you did on self-aggrandizing bullshit, SKDB might not be total joke that it remains. | 14:15 |
| kanzure | (02:13:24 PM) Sam Putman: Alas. | 14:15 |
| kanzure | (02:13:40 PM) Sam Putman: I have been absurdly patient with you, bryan. we all have. | 14:15 |
| kanzure | (02:13:41 PM) Sam Putman: that patience is wearing thin. | 14:15 |
| kanzure | (02:14:00 PM) Sam Putman: when was your last code commit? | 14:15 |
| kanzure | (02:14:05 PM) Sam Putman: what did it consist of? | 14:15 |
| kanzure | (02:14:16 PM) Sam Putman: what meaningful function has your project gained | 14:15 |
| kanzure | strong words from someone who doesn't commit code himself | 14:15 |
| kanzure | (but for the record, it was yesterday at 21:24:58) | 14:15 |
| kanzure | (02:14:28 PM) Sam Putman: you talk and talk and talk more bullshit, stir up problems, and for what? | 14:15 |
| Utopiah | send him the RSS feed of the code repostiry,it should provide updates in real time with comments and times | 14:16 |
| kanzure | so.. http://github.com/feeds/kanzure/commits/skdb/master ? | 14:17 |
| kanzure | i don't push there often, but that's an RSS feed i guess | 14:18 |
| Utopiah | yes the feed works | 14:19 |
| kanzure | am i really that evil | 14:19 |
| kanzure | (02:22:16 PM) Sam Putman: bryan, your lack of self-insight will cost you dearly. but I've told you that before, and I have finite reserves of patience. | 14:21 |
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| ader10 | kanzure: thanks for your web site. | 14:46 |
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| kanzure | O.o | 14:46 |
| Utopiah | a joke from Sam Putman :P | 14:49 |
| kanzure | heh | 14:50 |
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| kanzure | i am not yet convinced that jata knows any programming | 15:15 |
| Redeemer | What makes you think that? | 15:26 |
| kanzure | all talk, no code | 15:28 |
| kanzure | i guess you need to know the lingo in order to be able to talk but still | 15:29 |
| kanzure | we'll see | 15:29 |
| Redeemer | I've gotta resume the reading I was doing for learning Python, found what looks like a decent beginners guide and such. | 15:31 |
| kanzure | we are your beginner's guide :) | 15:41 |
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| JayDugger | So my nuclear pulse spaceship can be expressed in how many lines of code, exactly? | 15:42 |
| kanzure | right now i'm having some trouble representing microfluidics | 15:43 |
| kanzure | for some reason i started working on microfluidics thinking it would be an ok skdb package | 15:43 |
| kanzure | but really individual parts or designs for a chip are not really something that you apt-get | 15:43 |
| JayDugger | skdb needs explosives. :) | 15:43 |
| kanzure | you just apt-get a finalized design like a pcr thermocycler | 15:43 |
| kanzure | so anyway, it's kind of "out of the way" but i know i'll appreciate the results | 15:43 |
| JayDugger | I'll shut up now. :) | 15:43 |
| kanzure | no no, keep going | 15:43 |
| kanzure | i guess you could do a CAD model of parts of a pulsejet or something.. or if you want to be super ambitious, nuclear reactors | 15:44 |
| kanzure | iirc, there are some designs for reactors floating around the web | 15:44 |
| JayDugger | No. I should really write up my rant about Orion, and its pure pyrotechnic appeal, and the value of guaranteed last strike as minimum credible nuclear deterrent, and so forth... | 15:45 |
| JayDugger | Seriously, I think you can probably get a lot of material about the TRIGA II research reactors without too much trouble. | 15:45 |
| kanzure | TRIGA? | 15:46 |
| JayDugger | TRIGA is a class of small nuclear reactor designed and manufactured by General Atomics. The design team for TRIGA was led by the physicist Freeman Dyson. TRIGA is the acronym of Training, Research, Isotopes, General Atomics. | 15:47 |
| JayDugger | http://www.ga-esi.com/triga/ | 15:47 |
| JayDugger | UT Austin has one. | 15:48 |
| JayDugger | http://www.nukepills.com/research-reactor-list.htm | 15:49 |
| JayDugger | Reed College has a TRIGA I, and they'll license undergraduate operators. I don't think other schools do that, but I don't know. | 15:49 |
| kanzure | yes i am aware of who dyson is ;-) | 15:50 |
| kanzure | "physicist Freeman Dyson" pfft | 15:50 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, I c/p'd from Wikipedia, written for a general audience, you know. | 15:50 |
| JayDugger | Some technical description here. http://www.rcp.ijs.si/ric/reactor-a.htm | 15:52 |
| kanzure | i emailed the dood with a follow-up to make sure i understood everything from the phone call | 15:53 |
| kanzure | it turns out that i got everything spot-on :) | 15:53 |
| kanzure | it sounded like he was saying more though | 15:53 |
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| kanzure | "Keep current on news about Dr. Derya Unutmaz, the researcher who assisted Dr. Paul Savage in the creation and testing of CSA54 - the cure for the HIV/AIDS virus." | 16:32 |
| kanzure | O.o | 16:35 |
| kanzure | "cationic steroid antimicrobial" | 16:51 |
| kanzure | http://www.google.com/patents?hl=en&lr=&vid=USPATAPP11669854&id=ISqBAAAAEBAJ&oi=fnd&dq=%22Paul+Savage%22+%22Derya+Unutmaz%22&printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q=&f=false | 16:51 |
| kanzure | http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=ISqBAAAAEBAJ&dq=%22Paul+Savage%22+%22Derya+Unutmaz%22 | 16:56 |
| kanzure | "28. The method of any of claims 1 to 17, wherein the subject has been exposed to or diagnosed as HIV+. | 16:56 |
| kanzure | i guess if you invented a cure to AIDS you wouldn't quite be shouting it from a cliff either | 16:56 |
| kanzure | less you had the manufacturing down | 16:56 |
| QuantumG | depends why you developed it | 16:57 |
| kanzure | ? | 16:57 |
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| kanzure | yarr! thar be golds in those mines | 17:31 |
| kanzure | who knows who? http://www.worknets.org/wiki.cgi?OpenKollab | 17:35 |
| kanzure | or, at least, who knows openkollab | 17:35 |
| kanzure | "GNU. GPL. Alas, when people base their thinking on the term "open", they tend to downgrade freedom as a goal. That's why I don't work on projects whose goal is "open". They may be good projects, as far as it goes, but they systematically avoid doing what we need most." - rms on openkollab | 17:35 |
| kanzure | ugh a business card on my floor reads "ricardo guerrero, stwittergy" *pain* | 17:51 |
| kanzure | so, i think it's far past time for me to do a page on solid modeling, a FAQ of sorts | 18:09 |
| kanzure | any ideas for starting this off | 18:09 |
| fenn | the internet was full of pages like that ten years ago | 18:36 |
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| kanzure | fenn: and now, not so much | 19:12 |
| kanzure | binary space partitioning trees FAQ | 19:13 |
| kanzure | http://www.faqs.org/faqs/graphics/bsptree-faq/ | 19:13 |
| kanzure | heh | 19:13 |
| QuantumG | ever read the Sauerbraten guy's docs on octotrees? | 19:13 |
| kanzure | ACIS FAQ crap http://www.faqs.org/faqs/CAD/AutoCAD-faq/ | 19:14 |
| kanzure | no | 19:14 |
| QuantumG | helps if I spell it right | 19:16 |
| QuantumG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octree | 19:16 |
| QuantumG | http://sauerbraten.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/sauerbraten/docs/dev/readme_developer.txt?view=markup | 19:29 |
| QuantumG | scroll down to line 39 | 19:30 |
| QuantumG | World Structure | 19:30 |
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| kanzure | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/honor_societies.png | 20:15 |
| nsh | linking to the image loses the on-hover texrt | 20:18 |
| nsh | (which wasn't that interesting in this case anyway) | 20:18 |
| nsh | http://xkcd.com/701/ is pretty sad | 20:20 |
| kanzure | makerbot map: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=117099291054388532447.0004409098b1c5b712553 | 20:23 |
| kanzure | http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=103687026802878537105.00047ff60fb78c237fbc2 | 20:23 |
| fenn | nsh, sad but true :P | 20:26 |
| nsh | quite | 20:36 |
| nsh | kanzure mentioned that you might have some susskind books on your server, btw | 20:36 |
| nsh | which i am wont to read | 20:36 |
| fenn | nsh i don't have anything by susskind, sorry | 20:41 |
| nsh | no worries | 20:41 |
| * fenn procrastinates writing some php | 20:43 | |
| fenn | i guess it would be easier if i knew wtf i was supposed to be doing | 20:43 |
| nsh | what are you suppo- oh | 20:44 |
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| * fenn nominates nsh for tautology club president | 20:52 | |
| nsh | yay | 20:54 |
| * nsh toys with the idea of creating a tautology power turing device | 20:56 | |
| nsh | *-powered | 20:56 |
| superkuh | nsh: Which Susskind books are you looking for? | 20:57 |
| nsh | black hole wars, originally | 20:57 |
| nsh | but would probably read any | 20:57 |
| nsh | BHW was a massive 6-part rapidshare download, for some reasona | 20:58 |
| superkuh | I have a massive 6 part ifile.it share. No download limits, pretty fast. | 20:58 |
| fenn | a conspiracy no doubt | 20:58 |
| superkuh | mp3. | 20:58 |
| nsh | ah | 20:58 |
| nsh | cool, link? | 20:58 |
| superkuh | It's on gigapedia.org. One second while I resolve all the redirects. | 20:58 |
| nsh | ty | 20:58 |
| superkuh | http://ifile.it/5es0cqu/blackholewar.part1.rar | 20:59 |
| superkuh | http://ifile.it/gk4wxf3/blackholewar.part2.rar | 20:59 |
| superkuh | http://ifile.it/znpygrx/blackholewar.part3.rar | 20:59 |
| superkuh | http://ifile.it/f9evrjy/blackholewar.part4.rar | 20:59 |
| superkuh | http://ifile.it/07y53rs/blackholewar.part5.rar | 20:59 |
| superkuh | http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/Library/000-Physics/Susskind%20L.%2c%20Lindesay%20J.%20Introduction%20to%20blackholes%2cinformation%2c%20and%20string%20theory%20revolution%20(WS%2c%202005)(ISBN%209812560831)(200s)_PQstr_.pdf | 21:00 |
| nsh | nice one :-) | 21:01 |
| nsh | i had an idea yesterday actually | 21:04 |
| nsh | a simple network to share IP-space for rapidshare/etc. | 21:04 |
| nsh | if you had a large enough pool of casual downloaders, you could solve the limits problem | 21:05 |
| nsh | might code it as an exercise | 21:05 |
| fenn | oh you mean bittorrent? | 21:11 |
| nsh | touché | 21:12 |
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| kanzure | hello thesnark | 22:18 |
| kanzure | fenn: why are you touching php | 22:19 |
| kanzure | does this load for anyone? http://hplusmagazine.com/articles/toys-tools/hackerspace-your-garage-downloading-diy-hardware-over-web | 22:20 |
| kanzure | so much for being able to take a slashdotting | 22:20 |
| nsh | not fast, at any rate | 22:23 |
| nsh | still not | 22:25 |
| kanzure | ah there it goes | 22:25 |
| kanzure | http://transitlab.org/ (brian degger) | 22:25 |
| nsh | finally loaded | 22:26 |
| kanzure | seems to be queue-based | 22:27 |
| kanzure | traffic to heybryan.org doubled yesterday for some reason | 22:29 |
| nsh | didn't realise you did a presentation | 22:30 |
| kanzure | it seems to be doubling every 8 days | 22:30 |
| nsh | how did it go? | 22:30 |
| kanzure | very well :) | 22:30 |
| nsh | good | 22:30 |
| nsh | will your server/bandwidth cope? | 22:30 |
| kanzure | no | 22:30 |
| kanzure | it's on a residential internet connection | 22:30 |
| nsh | not so good | 22:30 |
| nsh | i have lots of server space, but none of it's legally mine, unfortunately | 22:31 |
| nsh | (which is to say, it's all very illegally mine) | 22:31 |
| kanzure | i have lots of servers in weird countries.. i just need to get around to uploading my hundreds of gigabytes | 22:31 |
| nsh | mmm | 22:32 |
| thesnark | hey kanzure | 22:32 |
| kanzure | yo | 22:33 |
| nsh | kanzure, indulge me with some speculation | 22:38 |
| nsh | at an optimistic estimation, how long before open-source consumer-grade hardware | 22:39 |
| nsh | i suppose the question depends highly on what type of hardware | 22:39 |
| nsh | i was going to suggest 'phone', but that's almost impossible | 22:40 |
| nsh | well, at the moment | 22:40 |
| nsh | though | 22:40 |
| nsh | hmm | 22:40 |
| kanzure | openmoko, tuxphone | 22:40 |
| kanzure | DONE | 22:40 |
| kanzure | next? | 22:40 |
| nsh | hmm | 22:41 |
| nsh | but the prospects of having any control yourself in the production process are still pretty slim to you or i | 22:42 |
| kanzure | true that | 22:42 |
| nsh | so i guess i meant morre "hackable" than open-source | 22:42 |
| kanzure | nsh: please also indulge yourself with this: WP5lmDYDzZHQ4MmZxMl8xM2ZrMmZjOWZ0 | 22:42 |
| kanzure | er | 22:42 |
| kanzure | http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ad_WP5lmDYDzZHQ4MmZxMl8xM2ZrMmZjOWZ0&hl=en | 22:42 |
| nsh | it's more about the enfranchisement of the end-user in the production process, which is perhaps a question of economy of scale and self-organisation around popular desires | 22:43 |
| nsh | intersting | 22:43 |
| kanzure | near the bottom there's a concept that you might be interested in, one sec | 22:45 |
| kanzure | http://rjpinnell.info/Page12.html | 22:45 |
| kanzure | "true cost" | 22:45 |
| kanzure | or, another version: http://www.worldchanging.com/EarthlyIdeasLCA.jpg | 22:46 |
| kanzure | personally, this sort of LCA doesn't make me randy, but some people get super excited | 22:47 |
| nsh | mmm | 22:48 |
| kanzure | wtf? http://rjpinnell.info/Page6.html | 22:49 |
| nsh | i can't really read about an app downloaded from the internet to use on your iphone for checking the total environmental impact of your jar of peanut butter with a straight face | 22:49 |
| kanzure | well at least his heart is in the right place: http://rjpinnell.info/Page5.html | 22:50 |
| kanzure | heh | 22:50 |
| * nsh smiles | 22:50 | |
| kanzure | huh he did a pilot for MTV | 22:51 |
| kanzure | i've been working with rené on a few different projects for a few months now | 22:51 |
| kanzure | (in person) | 22:51 |
| nsh | there's something weird about a yellow shirt with lapels | 22:51 |
| nsh | that's cool | 22:51 |
| kanzure | we're stalking people by wifi, gsm, wimax, bluetooth, infrared, and giant fucking inductor coils hidden under buildings | 22:52 |
| nsh | to what end? | 22:52 |
| nsh | giant-inductor-coils++ | 22:52 |
| kanzure | giant: is there any other way to have it? | 22:52 |
| kanzure | it's under the guise of sustainability nonsense | 22:53 |
| kanzure | correlating where people are versus energy usage in various rooms | 22:53 |
| kanzure | also, "google maps but indoors" and other nonsense | 22:53 |
| nsh | interesting | 22:53 |
| nsh | this strikes me as important (from the google doc): | 22:55 |
| nsh | Meredith: and pay for power and consumables that co-ops are not yet able to generate themselves (i.e., rolls of 3mm ABS for the MakerBot). Self-sufficiency is the ultimate goal, of course, but pay attention to the economic incentives. If it costs $10 to print a pair of needlenose pliers and ship them to a co-op that needs them, and $5 for someone to drive to the hardware store and buy a pair, there is a short-term incentive for t | 22:55 |
| nsh | he Craftsman pliers. Shifting those incentives is the ultimate goal, but we literally can't afford to focus on ideology ahead of pragmatism. | 22:55 |
| kanzure | sure | 22:56 |
| nsh | there's a certain 'potential well' in favour of entrenched closed-manufacturing | 22:56 |
| nsh | and i guess more effort should be focused on climbing out of it | 22:56 |
| kanzure | right | 22:56 |
| kanzure | but buying a pair of $5 pliers is certainly something that might be involved in climbing out of it | 22:56 |
| kanzure | buying a million of those pliers? probably not ;) | 22:56 |
| nsh | aye | 22:56 |
| kanzure | the goal of the co-op is to kind of.. anticipate the paths for climbing out of that potential well that you describe | 22:57 |
| kanzure | so that we can build kits in a timely manner, i.e. if a cnc machine is needed to really get shit done, we'll do a kit for that | 22:57 |
| kanzure | since, in general, everyone tends to share the same "hm everyone else is making things but me" problem | 22:58 |
| nsh | true | 22:58 |
| nsh | it's also a hobbiest-density matter | 22:58 |
| nsh | large cities are best place for developing the self-sufficiency cancer | 22:59 |
| nsh | before it can metastatise into the boodocks | 22:59 |
| nsh | *boondocks | 22:59 |
| kanzure | it's non-ideal to describe this as hobby-only | 22:59 |
| nsh | right | 22:59 |
| nsh | the word was primed by what i was just reading | 22:59 |
| kanzure | yeah :/ | 22:59 |
| kanzure | i need to fix this | 23:00 |
| nsh | is there even a noun for an open-source person? | 23:00 |
| kanzure | a stallman? | 23:00 |
| kanzure | wait, no that's not him | 23:00 |
| nsh | heh, don't think it'll go down well | 23:00 |
| QuantumG | zealot? | 23:00 |
| kanzure | freedom fighter | 23:00 |
| nsh | the zealots used to be a semi-respectable bunch | 23:01 |
| QuantumG | "scab" | 23:01 |
| nsh | back in jeebus times | 23:01 |
| nsh | i could see 'scab' catching on in an ironic hipster fashion | 23:01 |
| kanzure | stallman now just blatantly avoids anything that claims to be "open" | 23:01 |
| nsh | at least he's sticking to his guns | 23:01 |
| nsh | there has to be at least one non-compromiser in any radical movement | 23:02 |
| nsh | they generally get bumped off though, but i think his ninja skills will save him | 23:02 |
| kanzure | he gets a lot of hate. | 23:02 |
| nsh | but it's impotent nerd-hate | 23:03 |
| kanzure | mostly because people don't understand he doesn't want anything to do with "open source" | 23:03 |
| kanzure | or something like that | 23:03 |
| * nsh nods | 23:03 | |
| kanzure | the slashdot comments are the most funny | 23:03 |
| kanzure | "stallman just needs to die" etc. | 23:03 |
| nsh | it would be nice to catch a youth-craze | 23:03 |
| nsh | but i think making-your-own-stuff is just that much harder than working a tamagotchi that it might not ever happen | 23:04 |
| nsh | (what the hell do school-kids craze over nowadays, anyway?) | 23:04 |
| kanzure | sexting? | 23:04 |
| nsh | i need to hang out with more children | 23:04 |
| nsh | heh | 23:04 |
| QuantumG | "scab" works on two levels. 1. they're doing work for free.. so it's kind like non-union workers; and 2. there was an "open sores" insult that used to be thrown around. | 23:04 |
| kanzure | that would make you a pedo, sir | 23:04 |
| nsh | that was an unfortunate juxtaposition | 23:04 |
| kanzure | :) | 23:05 |
| * nsh considers sleep | 23:05 | |
| kanzure | result: denied | 23:05 |
| nsh | AS THE REFUGE OF THE PUNY | 23:05 |
| nsh | mmm | 23:06 |
| nsh | have to leave in two hours to get a coach to edinburgh | 23:06 |
| nsh | and march around in the snow for hours shouting | 23:06 |
| kanzure | are you the local crazy for the day? | 23:06 |
| nsh | i should get some audiobooks on some kind of audio-playing device | 23:06 |
| nsh | yeah, we have a shift system | 23:06 |
| kanzure | today you will be the one-legged hippie from vietnam | 23:07 |
| nsh | the veterans just aren't grifting these days | 23:07 |
| QuantumG | http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/ | 23:08 |
| kanzure | O.o | 23:09 |
| kanzure | " Even at its most efficient power setting, the big 14 consumes 1,660 gallons of heavy fuel oil per hour." | 23:09 |
| nsh | Even at its most efficient power setting, the big 14 consumes 1,660 gallons of heavy fuel oil per hour. | 23:09 |
| nsh | heh | 23:09 |
| kanzure | ahem | 23:09 |
| kanzure | stop reading my brains | 23:09 |
| nsh | no | 23:09 |
| nsh | man | 23:10 |
| nsh | engines are cool | 23:10 |
| * nsh disappears in the cloud of green smoke | 23:11 | |
| QuantumG | I wonder how much somhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%A4rtsil%C3%A4-Sulzer_RTA96-C | 23:12 |
| QuantumG | ya know what would be nice? a price tag | 23:12 |
| kanzure | if you have to ask, you can't afford it | 23:14 |
| QuantumG | even a ballpark would be nice | 23:14 |
| QuantumG | are we talking $M's or $B's? | 23:14 |
| kanzure | price tag: a ball park | 23:14 |
| kanzure | (no, rly) | 23:14 |
| kanzure | how much do those go for anyway? | 23:14 |
| QuantumG | that's what I'm asking :) | 23:14 |
| kanzure | no, i mean, ballparks | 23:15 |
| QuantumG | $M's I think | 23:15 |
| kanzure | that's all? | 23:15 |
| QuantumG | well, maybe $B's for mega-stadiums | 23:15 |
| kanzure | my would-be high school was $90M and wasn't that large | 23:15 |
| kanzure | i see | 23:15 |
| QuantumG | jeez, what they do, get NASA to build it? | 23:15 |
| QuantumG | well, the company that makes them had net sales of 4.6 billion euros in 2008. | 23:17 |
| kanzure | how many of them could they be making :P | 23:24 |
| kanzure | i imagine you could get some good numbers on how many oil tankers there are in the world | 23:24 |
| kanzure | i.e. average oil tanker has this much storage; this much oil is transported per day; and that company has a certain percent of the market share; and new ships need to be built or replaced once in a few years (?) | 23:25 |
| kanzure | meh a lot of work :/ | 23:25 |
| kanzure | hm, i played with virtualbox once before but not lately | 23:31 |
| kanzure | has it improved? | 23:31 |
| QuantumG | its ok | 23:41 |
| QuantumG | ui is shit | 23:41 |
| ybit | kanzure: it's fine, i run win xp and ubuntu on vbox | 23:45 |
| ybit | i've even got win 7 but my sys crawls when running it | 23:46 |
| QuantumG | was it virtualbox that recently did DirectX->OpenGL support recently? | 23:49 |
| QuantumG | apparently so | 23:49 |
| QuantumG | http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/virtualbox-3-directx.html | 23:49 |
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