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| ybit | http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1586 :: Marcin and crew team up with Gaia to offer Ph.D programs in the following: | 00:00 |
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| ybit | 1. Business Model for an Open Source, Resilient Community | 00:00 |
| ybit | 2. Creating Advanced Civilization from Scrap Metal | 00:00 |
| ybit | 3. Modern Steam Engines for Renewable Energy Applications | 00:00 |
| ybit | 4. LifeTrac: Design and Fabrication of a Universal Utility Machine | 00:00 |
| ybit | 5. Scalable, Open Source Product Development (OSPD) Pipeline | 00:00 |
| kanzure | http://sites.google.com/site/fablablinks/ | 00:00 |
| * ybit sticks with the neuroeng dept at GT for his post-graduate studies | 00:01 | |
| ybit | http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://minduploading.org | 00:01 |
| kanzure | http://lare-india.blogspot.com/ | 00:05 |
| ybit | kanzure: on an indian kick are we? | 00:09 |
| * ybit read some china-u.s. analyst point out recently that america will leverage its relation with india to counteract china's rise | 00:09 | |
| ybit | read +where | 00:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | india is too small | 00:14 |
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| ybit | katsmeow-afk: i don't think 1.* billion is small | 00:18 |
| ybit | +in population | 00:19 |
| kanzure | ybit: no, someone else is, i'm just relaying the links | 00:21 |
| kanzure | http://api.creativecommons.org/rest/dev/ | 00:22 |
| kanzure | documentation: http://api.creativecommons.org/docs/ | 00:22 |
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| katsmeow-afk | i didn't say it was small in absolute terms, i said "too small", technologically and in industrial might and demand for raw materials mostly | 00:43 |
| katsmeow-afk | compared to usa and China and russia, and possibly EU | 00:43 |
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| katsmeow-afk | yeas, they are 4th or 5th in a lot of stuff, but i think there's a large gap there, where china just won't care | 00:44 |
| katsmeow-afk | china is carring less about the usa too, they just sold off $32billion in usa debt they had financed | 00:45 |
| genehacker | well at least they managed to sell it | 01:00 |
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| * fenn glances at the looming backlog | 02:05 | |
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| fenn | what a dumbass. you make sure the chip works BEFORE you implant it into your body | 02:10 |
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| fenn | also i don't get what implanting an RFID chip has to do with transhumanism.. does implanting a dog with ID make it a transcanine? | 02:13 |
| fenn | ps: I lied, SBC does throttle you for torrenting, they're just slower about it than comcast | 02:16 |
| QuantumG | of course it's transhumanist | 02:22 |
| QuantumG | was he electronically identifiable before he had the implant? | 02:22 |
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| fenn | he's still not any more "electronically identifiable" - he just has an RFID chip stuck in his arm | 02:53 |
| fenn | no more or less transhuman than carrying an rfid card in your pocket | 02:54 |
| fenn | except you can't remove it easily | 02:54 |
| fenn | to me that seems disempowering | 02:54 |
| fenn | and, it's not like bad guys won't know it's there either | 02:54 |
| fenn | someone can steal your implanted rfid too | 02:55 |
| QuantumG | so putting a computer in your arm wouldn't make you any more transhuman either? | 02:59 |
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| genehacker | well if the computer was powered by your blood sugar... | 03:08 |
| genehacker | you might get transhuman points | 03:08 |
| fenn | a Burner chick told me about this flaming zen garden today: http://pyroboy.com/photos/flaming_zen_garden/zen_garden_with_stone.php | 03:09 |
| fenn | it's such a simple obvious idea yet for some reason not common at all | 03:09 |
| genehacker | saw one at maker faire | 03:09 |
| genehacker | there is a company selling them | 03:10 |
| fenn | QuantumG: not particularly, if it didnt interact with your arm in any significant way beyond just being there | 03:13 |
| QuantumG | so is there some workable definition you're using for transhuman here or is it just your gut feel? | 03:14 |
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| fenn | should i go to "hackers and founders" @ dogpatch labs, or "ARdevmob" @ COLLAB, or both? (approximately same time tomorrow) | 03:14 |
| genehacker | perhaps we should set up a percent cyborg definition | 03:14 |
| genehacker | 0.01% man with wrist watch | 03:15 |
| fenn | genehacker: i wouldnt have any problem with someone ranting about their implant on #hplusblahblahblah if it was in any way shape or form cybernetic | 03:15 |
| genehacker | 0.05% man with wrist watch loaded with sensors | 03:15 |
| fenn | genehacker: the simple fact of the matter is, tongue piercings are not "transhuman" | 03:15 |
| QuantumG | did you hear about the "compass sense" mod? | 03:15 |
| genehacker | 0.1% man with wristwatch and cellphone | 03:15 |
| fenn | yes | 03:15 |
| fenn | i plan to make one | 03:15 |
| QuantumG | is that transhuman? | 03:16 |
| fenn | yes | 03:16 |
| genehacker | 3% cyborg | 03:16 |
| QuantumG | ahh.. I like it when we agree on something :) | 03:16 |
| genehacker | I want one too | 03:16 |
| Utopiah | genehacker: are you making an official "cyborg scale"? | 03:16 |
| fenn | a compass sense tongue piercing would be interesting | 03:16 |
| genehacker | I might | 03:16 |
| QuantumG | I'd like that compass sense to be implanted | 03:16 |
| genehacker | what happens if it breaks? | 03:17 |
| QuantumG | .. and if you could make it not set off metal detectors that'd be awesome | 03:17 |
| fenn | the way i see it, implanted tech will be obsolete by the time it's FDA approved | 03:17 |
| genehacker | so what if it sets off metal detectors? | 03:17 |
| QuantumG | they'll make you take it off | 03:17 |
| superkuh | Implant FPGA? | 03:17 |
| genehacker | I'd care more about what would happen to it if you got exposed to high magnetic fields | 03:17 |
| fenn | in order to keep up, you basically HAVE to use wearable tech, unless it's something that directly interfaces with blood or nervous system etc | 03:18 |
| QuantumG | if it was a piercing though.. | 03:18 |
| fenn | superkuh: have you compared today's FPGA's with 10 years ago? | 03:18 |
| genehacker | I once had a watch with one of those digital compasses in it, played around with some NIB magnets and totally messed it up | 03:18 |
| QuantumG | but a small enough compass should be fine for metal detectors | 03:18 |
| superkuh | fenn: No. It was meant more as a joke. | 03:18 |
| genehacker | it might feel weird if it was hooked up to wetware | 03:19 |
| QuantumG | I wonder if there's a way to do time similar to the compass thing | 03:19 |
| QuantumG | where you can "sense" the time, perfectly | 03:19 |
| genehacker | AGGH THE WORLD IS SPINNING | 03:19 |
| fenn | i used to have that sense | 03:19 |
| fenn | wake up 2 minutes before your alarm goes off] | 03:19 |
| genehacker | I wonder if you can integrate more than senses | 03:20 |
| fenn | point at the ceiling and school lets out | 03:20 |
| QuantumG | yeah, I mean, someone says "what time is it?" and you can immediately say "7:19pm" | 03:20 |
| fenn | i was actually thinking about this today | 03:20 |
| genehacker | if you could emulate part of a brain and have it talk to your brain via a tactile interface | 03:20 |
| fenn | neuromancer | 03:20 |
| fenn | and how totally awful it would be to always have a clock superimposed over your vision | 03:20 |
| fenn | you could rig it up to display the estimated number of seconds left in your life, for extra goth points | 03:21 |
| Utopiah | (or estimated heartbeats) | 03:22 |
| genehacker | IE understand a language via tactile or visual interface(trippy colors from a language cortex) | 03:23 |
| QuantumG | if you did have a subsecond accurate time sense, would your memories be automatically timestamped? | 03:23 |
| fenn | probably not | 03:23 |
| genehacker | apparently the human time sense is quite subjective | 03:23 |
| fenn | my dreams sometimes have altitude information, but my memories don't | 03:24 |
| fenn | likewise with smell | 03:24 |
| Utopiah | QuantumG: IMHO we dont have precise timestamps because in our daily life and based on our average lifespan we just dont require it, having it "on demand" with watches or high precision clocks seems to be enough (but, if the pace accelerates and survival requires more precise micro-management, it might becomes required) | 03:24 |
| genehacker | altitude information? | 03:24 |
| fenn | yeah. | 03:24 |
| fenn | got a problem with it? | 03:24 |
| genehacker | never heard of that one | 03:24 |
| fenn | well, you can tell if you're in the mountains or just some random hilly woods | 03:25 |
| genehacker | height above sealevel? | 03:25 |
| QuantumG | well, when I think about any memory I can call to mind how I was feeling.. was I cold? what did I see, hear, smell? So if you had an accurate time sense, why wouldn't it be just as memorable? | 03:25 |
| fenn | it's something about the air, the smell? the temperature? dT per breath vs humidity? | 03:26 |
| fenn | QuantumG: you're saying you have eidetic memory? | 03:27 |
| Utopiah | QuantumG: maybe we currently can attach minute precise timestamps to memories but we dont make the effort of doing it because it doesn't worth the extra precision | 03:27 |
| QuantumG | I think we simply don't have a subsecond time sense | 03:27 |
| genehacker | nope | 03:28 |
| fenn | people don't have ANY time sense | 03:28 |
| fenn | humans* | 03:28 |
| genehacker | nerve transmission speed is on the order of slow(wrt to electrical systems) | 03:28 |
| fenn | thank you for the demonstration, genehacker | 03:29 |
| QuantumG | and no, I don't have eidetic memory.. but I can certainly remember stuff that I sensed :) | 03:30 |
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| Utopiah | (my life example) when I check wiki edits or code updates, I usually care less about precision the older it is | 03:31 |
| QuantumG | any ideas how long wikipedia keeps the "keep me logged in" cookie? | 03:33 |
| QuantumG | it seems like mere hours | 03:33 |
| Utopiah | should be indicated inside the cookie | 03:33 |
| QuantumG | says: Remember me (up to 30 days) | 03:34 |
| QuantumG | let's have a look at what it's really doing.. | 03:34 |
| QuantumG | gives me 4 cookies, 3 of which expire in 30 days, 1 expires at the end of the session | 03:35 |
| QuantumG | killing my browser and restarting has no effect.. so that session cookie seems irrelevant.. so I guess the problem is simply that I don't notice a month passing these days | 03:38 |
| Utopiah | http://graphjam.com/2010/02/23/funny-graphs-university-computer/ | 03:46 |
| QuantumG | I just used a cookie editor addon to change the expiration date to 2015 :) | 03:47 |
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| fenn | graphjam is just not funny, at all | 03:54 |
| Utopiah | Im sure there is a graph for that too | 03:55 |
| fenn | graphjam funniness level vs time: |_________________________ | 03:58 |
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| fenn | does the name "stephan branczyk" sound familiar? | 04:19 |
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| genehacker | http://www.openstructures.net | 04:41 |
| genehacker | have at it, if you haven't already | 04:41 |
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| JayDugger | Hello, danielfalck. | 08:08 |
| danielfalck | hi JayDugger | 08:08 |
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| kanzure | meh: http://opensourceforamerica.org/guidelines | 11:20 |
| kanzure | list of data packages: http://ckan.net/tag/read/science | 11:32 |
| kanzure | alternative to vectornti http://www.crimsonbase.com/download | 11:36 |
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| kanzure | http://blog.reprap.org/2010/02/broadening-reprap-participation.html | 11:49 |
| kanzure | also, i posted some comments on there | 11:49 |
| JayDugger | Any takers on the offer? | 11:55 |
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| kanzure | http://www.contraptor.org/contraptions | 13:08 |
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| kanzure | open access directory http://oad.simmons.edu/oadwiki/Main_Page | 13:38 |
| kanzure | wtf is this? http://ask.slashdot.org/ok.txt | 13:45 |
| kanzure | "The biggest difference between time and space is that you can't reuse time. -- Merrick Furst" | 13:47 |
| kanzure | ain't pokemon grand? http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h142/grumphis/misc%20comics/fighttothedeath.gif | 13:51 |
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| strages | I <3 the Open Manufacturing mailing list and this channel :D thanks for all the excellent links | 13:58 |
| strages | so much good information | 13:58 |
| strages | also, does anyone have any experience with a BPM Personal Modeler 2100? Can't seem to find any documentation on it beyond the patent for the technology it uses. | 13:59 |
| strages | Makers Local 256 has one, and it works short of actually spraying wax | 13:59 |
| strages | but it thinks it's printing | 13:59 |
| strages | we think it's a problem with the piezo element in the spray head and it'd be nice to have documentation before taking the head apart to fix it | 14:00 |
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| ybit2 | good to see your around strages, my only exp with that machine is seeing it there at the hackerspace | 14:05 |
| ybit2 | s/your/you | 14:05 |
| strages | I idle and try to keep up with the flow of information | 14:05 |
| strages | we got everything working on it short of the spray head | 14:06 |
| strages | we can step it through every step using manual commands, feed it stl files, the lot | 14:07 |
| strages | all from reverse engineering and reading the patent | 14:07 |
| kanzure | i still can't seem to read it: http://ldc.upenn.edu/myl/llog/steno2.gif | 14:08 |
| strages | oh man that's hard to follow | 14:09 |
| kanzure | http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/en/c/cf/Steno-example.gif | 14:09 |
| kanzure | http://ldc.upenn.edu/myl/llog/steno_alphabet.gif | 14:10 |
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| kanzure | http://sf.net/projects/wirelessrope | 14:20 |
| kanzure | http://crawdad.cs.dartmouth.edu/ "a community resource for archiving wireless data at dartmouth" | 14:20 |
| kanzure | "wireless topology discovery project" http://sysnet.ucsd.edu/wtd/wtd.html | 14:20 |
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| strages | excellent finds kanzure! | 14:44 |
| strages | I've been looking for some new ways to repurpose old PDAs | 14:44 |
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| strages | I have about a dozen PDAs, all capable of wifi or wifi being added through a card of some sort | 14:53 |
| strages | some can do bluetooth | 14:54 |
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| kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/emcfab | 15:20 |
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| kanzure | http://objects.reprap.org/wiki/RepLab | 16:50 |
| kanzure | wtf | 16:51 |
| kanzure | http://objects.reprap.org/wiki/RepLab_Working_Group | 16:51 |
| kanzure | http://dev.forums.reprap.org/list.php?128 | 16:52 |
| kanzure | "I need to email the skdb group and see if they want to help us on this. (By merging, maybe.) If we don't coordinate, they're going to be busy trying to be a superset of us, while we're busy being a superset of everything." (sebastien bailard) | 16:53 |
| kanzure | http://dev.forums.reprap.org/index.php | 16:55 |
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| kanzure | http://socialactions.pbworks.com/Social+Entrepreneur+API+--+funding+conference+call+notes | 17:05 |
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| ybit2 | did anyone ever get a total from this? http://fab.cba.mit.edu/about/fab/inv.html | 17:07 |
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| kanzure | http://http://cookingforgeeks.com/ | 17:07 |
| kanzure | ybit: no, but http://designfiles.org/skdb/doc/BOMs/comparison/fablab.yaml | 17:07 |
| kanzure | and this has some data: http://designfiles.org/skdb/doc/BOMs/ultimate-tool-buying-guide.yaml | 17:08 |
| heath | i've got all those files pulled up | 17:08 |
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| x-tehgreat | :) | 17:09 |
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| genehacker | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/24/1812244/Use-Open-Source-Then-Youre-a-Pirate | 17:12 |
| genehacker | excellent we can all be enemies of the state | 17:12 |
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| ybit | it's over 2 million | 17:52 |
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| ybit | that isn't quite diy imho | 17:58 |
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| kanzure | http://makerbot.wikidot.com/ | 18:36 |
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| kanzure | http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/05/25/tag-clouds-metric/ | 19:41 |
| kanzure | updated: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2010-01-01_to_2010-02-24.png | 20:06 |
| kanzure | aww.. it seems to match my web traffic curve | 20:08 |
| kanzure | that's, not good | 20:08 |
| kristianpaul | http://www.downes.ca/ | 20:08 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: hey men :) | 20:08 |
| kristianpaul | man* | 20:08 |
| kristianpaul | whatever :p | 20:08 |
| kanzure | kristianpaul: hm? | 20:08 |
| kristianpaul | i just said hello | 20:09 |
| kanzure | oh. hi | 20:09 |
| * kanzure is gone for 20min | 20:09 | |
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| kanzure | was just reading: http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/02/24/185235/Latvian-Robin-Hood-Hacker-Leaks-Bank-Details?art_pos=7 | 21:00 |
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| kanzure | hey JayDugger | 22:02 |
| kanzure | an MBA student/grad just opted to work for gnusha/us | 22:07 |
| kanzure | what do i do now | 22:07 |
| kanzure | (for free) | 22:07 |
| JayDugger | Hello, kanzure. | 22:09 |
| JayDugger | Take advantage of your volunteer's willingness. | 22:10 |
| JayDugger | Remember the work comes at no cost, but it still has value. | 22:10 |
| kanzure | dunno how to best (ab)use him | 22:10 |
| JayDugger | I doubt anyone volunteers to crap work. :) | 22:11 |
| kanzure | my dad was an MBA/project-manager type.. but he basically *looked* like a big secretary | 22:11 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, project management's like that. | 22:11 |
| JayDugger | Secretaries, excuse me--executive assistants--don't get held accountable for the work of others. | 22:11 |
| kanzure | so what do they do? other than make power points and do lots of conference calls | 22:12 |
| JayDugger | You might place the volunteer on project management for gnusha. | 22:12 |
| kanzure | yeah but what would that mean | 22:12 |
| JayDugger | Or perhaps look at various business models for Open Source Hardware development. | 22:12 |
| JayDugger | Nonsense. | 22:12 |
| kanzure | hrm | 22:12 |
| JayDugger | If he's serious, then he volunteered for the opportunity to make a meaningful contribution. | 22:13 |
| kanzure | he's definitely serious :) | 22:13 |
| kanzure | i just don't know my MBA ABCs | 22:13 |
| JayDugger | If he's competent, then a few tests are in order--unless you've already determined that. | 22:13 |
| JayDugger | Well, I have some experience, but not much. | 22:13 |
| JayDugger | Perhaps asking your Dad how best to take advantage of the fellow would teach you the most. | 22:14 |
| kanzure | blah i wish my dad was around | 22:14 |
| kanzure | he's dead | 22:14 |
| JayDugger | I don't know if that's practical. | 22:14 |
| JayDugger | Ah. | 22:14 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/dad/2009-01-11_AustinAmericanStatesman_obit.png | 22:14 |
| JayDugger | (remove foot from mouth) | 22:14 |
| kanzure | what's really fucked up is that i had to write his obit :/ | 22:14 |
| JayDugger | My sympathies for the recent death. | 22:14 |
| JayDugger | Do you know any of your father's professional colleagues? | 22:15 |
| JayDugger | Perhaps one of them might have good suggestions? | 22:15 |
| kanzure | hm, they do tend to have good suggestions | 22:15 |
| kanzure | when i needed a lawyer a few weeks ago i called one of 'em up | 22:15 |
| kanzure | and got a super awesome lawyer who did some free work for me | 22:15 |
| JayDugger | Excellent. | 22:16 |
| JayDugger | You might get lucky twice. | 22:16 |
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| kanzure | bkero: tim schmidt is on jabber at the moment if you want to hit him up for reprap parts | 22:44 |
| bkero | kanzure: Ok, what's his handle again? | 22:44 |
| kanzure | timschmidt@gmail.com | 22:45 |
| bkero | kanzure: thanks | 22:51 |
| * bkero hits him up. | 22:51 | |
| ybit | http://labs.fhcrc.org/roth/ | 22:53 |
| ybit | supposedly this guy gave a presentation @ ted 2010 | 22:53 |
| ybit | as did people behind the following links: | 22:54 |
| ybit | http://www.reasonproject.org/ | 22:54 |
| ybit | http://christakis.med.harvard.edu/ | 22:55 |
| ybit | http://www.good.is/post/spider-silk-strong-as-steel-could-replace-kevlar/ | 22:55 |
| kanzure | http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/02/ff_algorithm/ | 22:59 |
| kanzure | http://www.staringispolite.com/likepython/ | 22:59 |
| kanzure | ` yo just print like "hello world" bro` | 22:59 |
| * ybit likes kanzure's first link | 23:00 | |
| kanzure | l1 minimization? | 23:02 |
| ybit | hah, "like,pythong" is actually easy to follow | 23:02 |
| ybit | python* | 23:02 |
| Noahj | Does like python just, like, cut out all those unnecessary words? | 23:05 |
| Noahj | I just read that article in wired | 23:06 |
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| kanzure | here's some papers on it: | 23:07 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/papers/Near-ideal%20model%20selection%20by%20l1%20minimization.pdf | 23:07 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/papers/Stable%20signal%20recovery%20from%20incomplete%20and%20inaccurate%20measurements.pdf | 23:07 |
| kanzure | Compressed sensing is basically just finding a best-fit interpolation | 23:07 |
| kanzure | over all the available datapoints. It's really nothing more than | 23:07 |
| kanzure | saying "we can identify noise pixels and remove them with 100% | 23:07 |
| kanzure | accuracy, then replace them with pixels that represent the minimum | 23:07 |
| kanzure | change over the function that generates the image." | 23:07 |
| Noahj | It kinda seems like oct-tree | 23:08 |
| Noahj | Only backwards | 23:08 |
| Noahj | I found one PDF on it I understood, but I don't have the math for the other one | 23:08 |
| Noahj | http://www.ams.org/happening-series/hap7-pixel.pdf < this one | 23:09 |
| kanzure | wtf | 23:10 |
| kanzure | hey Noahj :) how are you | 23:10 |
| Noahj | Hey | 23:10 |
| Noahj | I'm drifting in and out of lethargy actually | 23:11 |
| Noahj | But it's fun | 23:11 |
| Noahj | My brother and I just watched four episodes of gaogaigar, a mecha anime from 1997 | 23:11 |
| Noahj | It's about a mecha formed from a mechanical lion, a train, a plane, and huge drill thing | 23:12 |
| Noahj | At fab academy, the makerbot still doesn't work | 23:12 |
| Noahj | We'll probably have to re-wrap the extruder | 23:12 |
| Noahj | It's not getting up to temperaturee | 23:12 |
| Noahj | *temperature | 23:13 |
| Noahj | Our Z axis is also extremely kludge, the belt is glued together and the spindle things are the wrong sizes | 23:13 |
| Noahj | We also got our threaded rod extremely cheaply | 23:13 |
| Noahj | But I don't think those last things are terribly significant | 23:13 |
| kanzure | wtf bre pettis is in austin for dorkbot-austin? | 23:21 |
| kanzure | should i jump him | 23:21 |
| Noahj | That's probably a prudent plan | 23:22 |
| Noahj | RI's having our first hacker con: http://quahogcon.org/ | 23:22 |
| Noahj | It might be pretty lame | 23:22 |
| Noahj | But Dan Kaminsky is coming | 23:22 |
| Noahj | *spam spam spam* | 23:23 |
| kanzure | sadly i think you're our only rhode islander :( | 23:27 |
| Noahj | There're probably some Massachusettsians here though | 23:28 |
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| kanzure | how come all the girls have their first name .com? ratha.com, parijata.com, .. | 23:36 |
| kanzure | it's a commercial empire :/ | 23:36 |
| QuantumG | I'd be .com too if that no-talent hack over at quantumg.com hadn't gotten it first | 23:38 |
| kanzure | phone call with the MBA dood, saturday a 4pm | 23:44 |
| kanzure | *saturday at | 23:44 |
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| kanzure | netflix grand prize solution http://www.commendo.at/UserFiles/commendo/File/GrandPrize2009_BigChaos.pdf | 23:51 |
| kanzure | http://blog.pietrosperoni.it/2005/05/25/tag-clouds-metric/ | 23:52 |
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