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| kanzure | lawl at business plans specifically referencing "I Am Legend" | 00:06 |
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| avicenna | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sqWeKPRCKw | 00:36 |
| avicenna | wow | 00:36 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 02:50 |
| ybit | hi JayDugger | 02:57 |
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| kanzure | bluh? http://groups.google.com/group/aiko-platform | 06:05 |
| JayDugger | Another New Zealand group? | 06:24 |
| Utopiah | is there a wiki for legal documents? I mean several sites like GNU or CC provide licenses but what about NDAs? | 06:31 |
| JayDugger | Utopiah: not to my knowledge, but I suspect they exist. | 06:32 |
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| JayDugger | Anyone have contact with, or belong to the Dallas Personal Robotics Group? (dprg.org) | 09:27 |
| Utopiah | (regarding my earlier question : Legal Forms from LawDepot.com - Trusted Do-it-Yourself Legal http://www.lawdepot.com/ ) | 09:37 |
| katsmeow-afk | from what i have heard, "legal depots" are frequently out of dat on federal laws, and totally out of touch with state laws | 10:34 |
| katsmeow-afk | they may or may not have improved | 10:35 |
| Utopiah | you mean I shouldn't trust a resource just because it calls itself "trusted"? ;) | 10:37 |
| katsmeow-afk | trust me | 10:38 |
| Utopiah | thanks | 10:38 |
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| * kanzure just got an email from <norris.chuck@mail.ru> and feels suspicious | 12:18 | |
| kanzure | hey wait a second, chuck norris doesn't have a dali mustache >:( | 12:19 |
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| QuantumG | http://designfiles.org/papers/Measurement_of_Gravitomagnetic_and_Acceleration_Fields_Around_Rotating_Superconductors.pdf | 13:05 |
| QuantumG | nice paper | 13:05 |
| kanzure | hrm.. yet another one? | 13:09 |
| kanzure | http://openmaterials.org/2010/02/22/openstructures-everyone-designs-for-everyone/ | 13:09 |
| kanzure | http://www.openstructures.net/pages/1 | 13:09 |
| kanzure | utilihab, makerbeam, contraptor, .. | 13:10 |
| kanzure | http://www.intrastructures.net/Intrastructures/About_-_what_we_are..html | 13:10 |
| kanzure | yet-another-modular-construction-system | 13:15 |
| Utopiah | http://vanish.cs.washington.edu/ (not sure to understand the point) | 13:15 |
| kanzure | http://elifarley.amplify.com/2010/01/27/opensource-cars-transportation/ | 13:18 |
| kanzure | stalk: elifarley cruz | 13:18 |
| kanzure | http://www.google.com/reader/shared/elifarley | 13:18 |
| kanzure | oh, actual name: Elifarley Callado Coelho Cruz (ugh) | 13:19 |
| kanzure | can't seem to find an email address | 13:19 |
| kanzure | i wanted to answer his question :/ | 13:19 |
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| QuantumG | but let's cut to the chase here: designfiles.org/papers/Current_Research_in_Gravito-Electromagnetic_Space_Propulsion.pdf | 13:35 |
| kanzure | hrm where was i reading about electromagnetic propulsion before? | 13:36 |
| QuantumG | probably on crazy alley | 13:36 |
| kanzure | no, no, it was a NASA researcher and his wife that i met.. | 13:36 |
| QuantumG | this stuff has been the domain of crackpots for so long, it was really brave of ESA to even try investigating it | 13:36 |
| kanzure | oh it was just electric propulsion | 13:38 |
| kanzure | fooey | 13:38 |
| kanzure | http://richard.hofer.com/electric_propulsion.html | 13:38 |
| QuantumG | ahh, ok | 13:38 |
| kanzure | aha, but electromagnetic propulsion is mentioned there | 13:38 |
| QuantumG | I'll use this opportunity to pimp this then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaoOuirvsCs | 13:38 |
| kanzure | the guy was doing a RF plasma-based electron source with an asymmetric magnetice feld | 13:39 |
| kanzure | *magnetic field | 13:39 |
| QuantumG | oh, you might be talking about the magnetoelectric wheel stuff I posted | 13:40 |
| QuantumG | different magic | 13:40 |
| kanzure | nope (?) http://designfiles.org/papers/electric_propulsion/ (just uploaded) | 13:41 |
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| kanzure | anyway, it's definitely unrelated | 13:41 |
| kanzure | i fail | 13:42 |
| kanzure | hm i should probably rename that to plasma_propulsion | 13:43 |
| QuantumG | heh, anyway I'm reading this stuff so I have some idea of how far away from experimental demonstration it is | 13:43 |
| QuantumG | like, this shit is TRL0 | 13:44 |
| QuantumG | not even demonstrated in a lab environment | 13:44 |
| QuantumG | not even fully agreed upon as experimentally verifiable physics | 13:44 |
| QuantumG | at least, that's what I think.. maybe I'm wrong, and I can only study reviews like this to find out | 13:45 |
| kanzure | why is rob carlson called a "diybio guru"? doesn't he charge $100k to make thermocyclers etc.? what does he do that makes him related to the diybio community? | 13:47 |
| QuantumG | http://www.spacevidcast.com/spaceup-video-grid/ | 13:47 |
| QuantumG | (will kill your computer/bandwidth, use at your own risk) | 13:47 |
| kanzure | is nasatv torrented? | 13:51 |
| QuantumG | nope | 13:52 |
| kanzure | meh: http://opengovtracker.com/ | 14:03 |
| QuantumG | in regards to gene doping | 14:13 |
| QuantumG | they should just start the Transhuman Olympics now | 14:13 |
| QuantumG | it'll be like Nascar, except the athletes are the cars. | 14:13 |
| kanzure | i'm sure the olympians outcasted from the old games would love to compete | 14:15 |
| QuantumG | oh, and did you see this? http://bit.ly/akQxyS | 14:16 |
| kanzure | i've inherited a server from an old startup and i'm supposed to be doing some maintenance on it | 14:16 |
| kanzure | there's about five user accounts each with their own weird /home/ dir structure, various important docs, and an svn repo that they all shared | 14:16 |
| QuantumG | sounds like work, why bother when we have the internet? | 14:16 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: yes | 14:16 |
| kanzure | i'm not really sure what i should do- should i respect their old file system structure and standards, or go totally nuclear on it? | 14:17 |
| QuantumG | nuclear | 14:19 |
| fenn | transhuman olympics would be a cool thing for humanity+ to focus on | 14:30 |
| fenn | i mean actually get rolling | 14:30 |
| QuantumG | preferably before it is made illegal | 14:33 |
| fenn | gene doping? | 14:35 |
| fenn | there's all kinds of other stuff athletes aren't allowed to do in competitions but is still legal | 14:36 |
| fenn | btw i hate that phrase, let's please use something more specific | 14:36 |
| fenn | how about "gene enhancement" :P | 14:38 |
| QuantumG | for sure | 14:38 |
| fenn | btw anki (the memory program) is pretty cool | 14:39 |
| fenn | supermemo clone | 14:39 |
| fenn | maybe i'll actually retain my japanese this time | 14:39 |
| fenn | i wonder if there's a way to apply it to music practice | 14:41 |
| QuantumG | are you gunna give it a go? | 14:42 |
| fenn | i've been doing the "core 2000" vocabulary all day | 14:43 |
| fenn | i started out with just kanji but it's a terrible thing to do to yourself | 14:43 |
| QuantumG | oh sorry, I thought you were referring to some gene enhancement for memory | 14:43 |
| fenn | core 2000 has funny pictures that convey the meaning of the word in context, and recordings of japanese speech | 14:44 |
| QuantumG | neat | 14:45 |
| fenn | it's a software program based on psychological research from like 1893, which apparently has been completely ignored by the educational hegemony | 14:45 |
| fenn | more here if you care http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/magazine/16-05/ff_wozniak?currentPage=all | 14:45 |
| QuantumG | oh, that's typical.. I honestly don't know why people who write a revolutionary PhD thesis (or whatever) have the expectation that their work will be picked up and commercialized.. | 14:46 |
| fenn | because that's what we're taught in school/tv/parents | 14:46 |
| fenn | the only voice of reason is comic strips like PhD | 14:47 |
| QuantumG | and, what's more, it seems to me that if you put all that effort into writing something like that and really believed it was revolutionary, you couldn't find better source material for a startup | 14:47 |
| QuantumG | but some people are just not entrepreneurial I guess | 14:48 |
| QuantumG | ok, summary of http://designfiles.org/papers/Current_Research_in_Gravito-Electromagnetic_Space_Propulsion.pdf | 14:48 |
| fenn | it's a big jump to go from having some committee/advisor breathing down your neck for years to no pressure at all except what you put in | 14:48 |
| fenn | is that about the cone shaped waveguide with no exits? | 14:49 |
| QuantumG | take one superconducting solenoid, add one superconducting disk on top, and spin it up. | 14:49 |
| QuantumG | propellant propulsion: serves four. | 14:50 |
| fenn | er, did they test it? | 14:50 |
| fenn | sounds simple enough | 14:50 |
| QuantumG | nope | 14:50 |
| QuantumG | its a proposal for an experiment | 14:50 |
| QuantumG | that no-one has done | 14:50 |
| QuantumG | based on the only theory that explains the observed effect of an experiment that has been done, and repeated. | 14:51 |
| QuantumG | not that anyone believes this theory | 14:52 |
| fenn | this stuff would be so easy to test if we had a halfway decent orbital infrastructure | 14:52 |
| QuantumG | but it's the best one around | 14:52 |
| fenn | 1) build experiment 2) see if it changes orbit 3) profit | 14:52 |
| QuantumG | well, the great thing about this experiment is that it is testable in the lab | 14:52 |
| QuantumG | but, yes, if you could get a free ride to space you could probably test it cheaper | 14:53 |
| fenn | hell it's gotta be easier to build than gravity probe B | 14:53 |
| QuantumG | that said, if you really believed in this stuff you could skip testing it and just build a large scale unit (like, a 1m solenoid/disk) | 14:54 |
| QuantumG | no-one can debate you if it produces enough thrust to lift itself | 14:54 |
| fenn | that's what the "lifter" people thought :P | 14:54 |
| QuantumG | well true.. it would have to lift its own power source too | 14:55 |
| QuantumG | then no-one can argue | 14:55 |
| fenn | hm | 14:55 |
| QuantumG | cause you'd be launching payloads | 14:55 |
| QuantumG | and you wouldn't freakin' care if they didn't believe you | 14:55 |
| fenn | there are a lot of uses even if thrust/weight << 1 | 14:55 |
| QuantumG | "oh, you disagree with my theory? that's nice, I'll be over here in my hovercar." | 14:55 |
| fenn | i.e. gravity-wave signalling | 14:56 |
| fenn | interplanetary travel | 14:56 |
| fenn | asteroid harvesting | 14:56 |
| QuantumG | yeah sure, but so long as the first step of your business plan is 1) get this into space, you're not going anywhere | 14:56 |
| fenn | construction equipment | 14:56 |
| fenn | satellite refueling | 14:57 |
| QuantumG | is there a down-to-earth use for thrust/weight < 1? | 14:57 |
| fenn | aerostats (cheap communications towers) | 14:57 |
| fenn | zeppelin propulsion (if efficiency is high enough) | 14:58 |
| QuantumG | well, superconducting solenoids/disks are not exactly light | 14:59 |
| fenn | maybe even regular airplanes | 14:59 |
| fenn | says who | 14:59 |
| fenn | what matters more, the total current capacity or the volume of space enclosed? | 14:59 |
| QuantumG | 92g/mol | 15:00 |
| fenn | and, if the video game "mass effect" is to be believed, it'll give us all superpowers like the ability to shoot black holes from our eyes | 15:00 |
| QuantumG | sweet | 15:01 |
| fenn | QuantumG: did you ever meet dan fredriksen? (DanF_DrC) | 15:01 |
| QuantumG | I wish someone had told me that mass effect was set in an O'Neill Colony, I might have actually played it | 15:02 |
| QuantumG | nope | 15:02 |
| fenn | ok, well, um, uh, nevermind | 15:02 |
| fenn | it wasn't an o'neill colony | 15:02 |
| fenn | it was just this thing which looked sorta like one, but had artificial gravity, which sort of defeats the point of building it in that shape | 15:03 |
| QuantumG | hmm? it had a large rotating toroid to generate artificial gravity. | 15:04 |
| fenn | this? http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Citadel | 15:04 |
| QuantumG | yep | 15:05 |
| QuantumG | http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Codex/Citadel_and_Galactic_Government | 15:05 |
| QuantumG | was the one I was looking at but yeah | 15:05 |
| fenn | i think "down" is along the arms, along the axis of the cylinder | 15:08 |
| fenn | except in the torus part, for whatever reason | 15:08 |
| fenn | or i could just be confused | 15:08 |
| fenn | someone is confused, dammit! | 15:08 |
| QuantumG | hehe | 15:08 |
| QuantumG | I was looking at some space settlement stuff the other day.. cause I couldn't remember how they were slowing down the lunar material that they shoot up to L2 with a mass driver | 15:09 |
| QuantumG | http://www.nss.org/settlement/ColoniesInSpace/colonies_chap06.html | 15:09 |
| QuantumG | giant freakin' catcher's mits | 15:10 |
| QuantumG | http://www.nss.org/settlement/ColoniesInSpace/fig0612.gif | 15:10 |
| QuantumG | dreaming big sure was popular after Apollo | 15:10 |
| fenn | i dont see anything wrong with the idea | 15:14 |
| fenn | off to meet some family for $meal_of_day | 15:15 |
| kanzure | http://grey.colorado.edu/emergent/index.php/LeabraStartup running emergent (neuroscience software) from the command line, video tutorial | 15:59 |
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| kanzure | ooh: http://rednails.rubyforge.org/ template-driven data scraping | 16:20 |
| CIA-47 | pyscholar: kanzure master * r649cb3d / doc/url.txt : link to rednails (inspiration?) - http://bit.ly/alyKXn | 16:28 |
| kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/python-spidermonkey/ | 16:28 |
| kanzure | http://help.infochimps.org/help/show/InfiniteMonkeywrench hm.. | 16:37 |
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| kanzure | http://archive.amsuess.com/pool/contrib/o/openscad/openscad_2010.02-1.dsc | 17:48 |
| kanzure | http://archive.amsuess.com/pool/main/o/opencsg/opencsg_1.3.0-1.dsc | 17:48 |
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| kanzure | katsmeow-afk: hm? | 19:06 |
| kanzure | gah it's infectious! | 19:06 |
| katsmeow-afk | oh, you gave me an idea | 19:07 |
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| JayDugger | What's the command for the channel-bot's help? | 20:00 |
| kanzure | !help | 20:00 |
| hplusbot | kanzure: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 20:00 |
| kanzure | you're welcome | 20:01 |
| JayDugger | Will privately messaging the bot work? so as to avoid filling the logs with trivia? | 20:01 |
| JayDugger | Yes, and yes. | 20:03 |
| JayDugger | Thanks, kanzure. | 20:03 |
| JayDugger | How 'bout that. Anders publicly admits to using Modafinil. | 20:19 |
| kanzure | does he synthesize it himself? | 20:19 |
| JayDugger | I doubt it. | 20:19 |
| kanzure | anders_sandberg-- | 20:20 |
| JayDugger | See his latest blog post, which links to the Times Online. | 20:20 |
| JayDugger | http://www.aleph.se/andart/archives/2010/02/out_of_the_closet.html | 20:20 |
| * kanzure just got done reconfiguring trac and svn stuff on a server that showed up at his doorstep | 20:22 | |
| kanzure | i was expecting the file system to be much more of a mess. it's not *too* bad | 20:23 |
| JayDugger | Secondhand box? | 20:23 |
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| kanzure | JayDugger: nah, startup and NDAs and contracted work :/ | 20:23 |
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| kanzure | "To avoid sexual innuendo, the Wii should've been named the Perfect Nintendo Entertainment System, or PNES for short" | 21:03 |
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| kanzure | hm i'm not sure how these guys were doing development | 21:12 |
| kanzure | everything was under apache | 21:12 |
| kanzure | and they had their www root under svn | 21:12 |
| kanzure | and then they had local copies in their /home/ of www | 21:12 |
| kanzure | but no alternative apache configurations, so were they pushing changes before they knew whether or not they would work? | 21:13 |
| kanzure | s/pushing/committing/ | 21:13 |
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| kanzure | oh lovely they had uncommitted code in the root www working copy *written on top of* a tagged version :/ | 21:37 |
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| ybit | kanzure: did you ever recall the word from orion's arm where people choose to ignore rl and spend all their time in sl? | 23:05 |
| kanzure | no | 23:06 |
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| ybit | http://old.orionsarm.com/glossary.html | 23:11 |
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| kanzure | accelerometers attached to fingers as a keyboard: http://www.sigchi.org/chi97/proceedings/paper/fkm.htm | 23:58 |
| kanzure | 200 symbols/min and 52 symbols in total. ehh | 23:58 |
| kanzure | if that's only one hand, then at most you're talking about 80 wpm | 23:58 |
| kanzure | which is actually better than all the damn alternatives | 23:58 |
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