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| kanzure | heh the founder of etacts has one too many transhumanist friends to not be a transhumanist | 00:16 |
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| kanzure | jonathan kuniholm, michael anissimov, max marmer, russell hanson | 00:16 |
| kanzure | although russell would debate that classification | 00:17 |
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| kanzure | cool just had a good phone call with etacts.com | 01:27 |
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| wrldpc2 | why is veganism better-suited as a diet for space travelers? | 02:38 |
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| QuantumG | cause astronauts are not tortured enough by medical quacks already? | 02:48 |
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| fenn | wrldpc2: because animals take up a lot of room, and aren't very efficient at converting energy, and are generally harder to take care of | 09:43 |
| fenn | mushrooms can perform much the same job as chickens, ecologically/nutritionally | 09:45 |
| Utopiah | (related work http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Melissa/SEMU54V681F_0.html ) | 09:46 |
| fenn | http://thechickendiaries.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Mushroons-in-the-meadow1.jpg | 09:50 |
| fenn | that's the best google could do :( | 09:51 |
| fenn | it's still a nice picture | 09:51 |
| klafka | http://www.computer.org/portal/web/csdl/doi/10.1109/ISPA.2009.88 can anyone get this article? | 09:53 |
| fenn | not me | 09:55 |
| fenn | i _would_ like to have real data to back up my assertions, if anyone has an animals-vs-no-animals study handy | 09:59 |
| klafka | fenn interesting idea | 10:03 |
| klafka | i am eating a lot of quorn lately | 10:04 |
| fenn | fake meat is probably worse than real meat | 10:04 |
| klafka | try pubmed? + also i'd look up mushroom allergy rates | 10:04 |
| klafka | fenn in what context? | 10:04 |
| klafka | energy used? | 10:04 |
| fenn | health | 10:04 |
| klafka | why's that? | 10:04 |
| fenn | its hard to digest and contains unbalanced levels of various chemicals | 10:05 |
| Utopiah | there is ##nutrition btw | 10:05 |
| fenn | seitan in particular destroys the lining of your small intestine | 10:05 |
| klafka | [citation needed] ? | 10:05 |
| klafka | interesting | 10:05 |
| klafka | why? seitan is wheat gluten | 10:05 |
| fenn | exactly | 10:05 |
| fenn | go read about wheat gluten | 10:06 |
| klafka | ok well quorn is made from fungus btw | 10:06 |
| klafka | mycoprotein | 10:06 |
| fenn | i've never had quorn | 10:06 |
| fenn | (to me quorn means a DIY tool bit grinder) | 10:06 |
| klafka | ah | 10:06 |
| klafka | gah i do not have time to spend today reading about wheat gluten | 10:07 |
| klafka | curse you | 10:07 |
| fenn | well it's a long term thing, don't worry about i | 10:08 |
| klafka | haha yeah i am not worried i'm gonna drop dead anytime soon from wheat gluten | 10:08 |
| klafka | i know it's pretty immunoreactive | 10:08 |
| klafka | you know what would be cool | 10:08 |
| klafka | a way to self tune our bodies to our nutrients | 10:08 |
| klafka | in a much more pro-active way than currently | 10:09 |
| klafka | we could eat anything then! | 10:09 |
| klafka | well | 10:09 |
| klafka | a lot more things | 10:09 |
| fenn | there are some interesting addiction effects from pseudo-opiate peptides found in gluten and milk | 10:09 |
| klafka | hmm | 10:09 |
| fenn | what do you mean "self tune"? | 10:10 |
| fenn | like turn yourself into a werewolf? | 10:10 |
| klafka | like tune your digestive system to be able to safely digest a wider range of nutrients | 10:10 |
| klafka | sort of like "mr fusion" on the delorean if you will | 10:10 |
| fenn | i think that's more a matter of downloading new genes, not "tuning" | 10:11 |
| klafka | well it would require the integration of new genes, but also new regulatory logic | 10:11 |
| klafka | is there a standard VIM short cut to comment a section of highlighted text? | 10:13 |
| fenn | i dont think so | 10:14 |
| fenn | you can do s/^/#/ | 10:14 |
| fenn | it sucks | 10:14 |
| klafka | mm | 10:14 |
| klafka | i bet i can make a macro for this | 10:14 |
| klafka | or download someone elses customized vim | 10:14 |
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| kanzure | arr what a terrible name: skinput | 11:11 |
| fenn | 本当でしょう ね | 11:13 |
| kanzure | "i guess the real"? | 11:14 |
| fenn | it really is, huh | 11:14 |
| wrldpc2 | ty fenn | 11:18 |
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| kanzure | added various stub skdb packages: http://designfiles.org/packages/ | 14:44 |
| fenn | http://www.lockss.org/lockss/Home | 14:56 |
| fenn | your descriptions are too long | 14:58 |
| fenn | We do, as a team, require that our rules about testing and other key processes be followed. In almost every case, that works just fine. If a developer doesn't follow the rules, we correct or remove them. | 15:03 |
| fenn | <humour>The developer? Or the rules?</humour> | 15:03 |
| fenn | i still can't figure out which was intended | 15:03 |
| kanzure | either way sucks | 15:12 |
| kanzure | "if a developer doesn't follow the rules," is a shitty reason to do anything | 15:12 |
| fenn | i disagree | 15:15 |
| fenn | rules are a way to coordinate people, cooperation | 15:15 |
| fenn | since we can't literally read each other's minds, saying things explicitly is better than saying them implicitly | 15:15 |
| kanzure | the developer should at least (1) read (follow) the rules, and then (2) maybe suggest better reals | 15:15 |
| kanzure | *rules | 15:15 |
| kanzure | but not being able to follow (like "Oh, i see") is bad news :( | 15:16 |
| kanzure | er | 15:16 |
| kanzure | which project was this? | 15:16 |
| fenn | something on c2 wiki | 15:16 |
| fenn | i was reading about "dont repeat yourself" | 15:17 |
| fenn | which apparently has a specific philosophical jargon status | 15:17 |
| kanzure | my epoc arrived today | 15:24 |
| kanzure | "Experience the fantasy of controlling the universe using only the power of your mind." | 15:24 |
| kanzure | "Manipulate and control objects by thought. Wield amazing supernatural powers just by thinking of them." | 15:25 |
| kanzure | O_o | 15:25 |
| kanzure | doin it wrong? http://designfiles.org/~bryan/screenshots/2010-03-05_epoc.jpg | 15:39 |
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| Guest34462 | http://arbornet.org/~flamoot/telepathic-critterdrug.html brb >_> | 15:53 |
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| kanzure | "Human Interface Device" | 16:08 |
| fenn | does epoc have EOG? | 16:55 |
| fenn | i'm guessing that's backwards | 16:56 |
| danielfalck | pythonOCC | 17:05 |
| danielfalck | sorry | 17:05 |
| danielfalck | wrong window | 17:05 |
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| kanzure | USBError: could not set config 0: Device or resource busy | 17:13 |
| kanzure | hrm | 17:13 |
| kanzure | how is this possible? nothing is using this device yet | 17:13 |
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| JayDugger | Really, an EPOC? Does it work with Linux? | 18:12 |
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| kanzure | JayDugger: i've been writing a driver for the past few hours | 18:22 |
| JayDugger | Continue the good work, kanzure. | 18:24 |
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| kanzure | Traceback (most recent call last): | 18:31 |
| kanzure | File "emotiv.py", line 47, in <module> | 18:31 |
| kanzure | print handle.bulkRead(0x81, 500) | 18:31 |
| kanzure | usb.USBError: could not detach kernel driver from interface 1: No data available | 18:31 |
| kanzure | USBError sounds much more forboding than "No data available" | 18:31 |
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| kanzure | pfft, "EmotivControlPanel is protected by Windows Firewall" | 19:10 |
| fenn | just checking, you know how to use dmesg right? | 19:11 |
| fenn | is it "USB HID" compatible? | 19:12 |
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| kanzure | yeah it's USB HID v1.11 | 19:18 |
| kanzure | wtf why is this exposed over my network | 19:21 |
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| fenn | print handle.bulkRead(0x81, 500) doesn't seem like something you should have to do with an HID device | 19:25 |
| fenn | you probably shouldnt be using pyusb at all | 19:26 |
| fenn | maybe python-hid | 19:28 |
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| kanzure | hm now if only i knew what this data means | 20:36 |
| kanzure | there's two devices going on here- the usb dongle with some sort of wireless going on (probably bluetooth?) | 20:36 |
| kanzure | the user manual says that the dongle should have two lights on, one for power, and one that flashes once per second when it's not connected to the headset | 20:36 |
| kanzure | then, once connected to the headset, there's either a third light (?) that turns on and flashes rapidly (indicating data) | 20:37 |
| kanzure | or the second light (that flashed once per second) should be flashing randomly | 20:37 |
| kanzure | i haven't seen a third light | 20:37 |
| kanzure | but the second light has gone solid and goes back to 1 flash/sec when i turn off the headset | 20:37 |
| kanzure | and if i look closely, it's not an entirely stable light.. maybe it's flashing too fast for the human eye to see? | 20:37 |
| kanzure | oh | 20:41 |
| kanzure | how stupid. it blinks when the buffer is read from on the dongle | 20:41 |
| kanzure | well. hm | 20:55 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/kanzure_emotiv_epoc_egg.dat | 20:56 |
| kanzure | well this was an exercise in futility | 21:01 |
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| kanzure | "peter thiel explains how to invest in the singularity" http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2007/09/peter-thiel-exp/ | 21:37 |
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| kanzure | http://affordabletechnology.com.au/Neuro/NeuroVault_csv_notes.htm | 21:55 |
| kanzure | not sure where a row starts or begins | 21:56 |
| kanzure | lame: http://www.bciforums.com/ | 22:03 |
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| kanzure | hm http://sourceforge.net/projects/emotivsharp/ | 23:46 |
| ybit2 | kanzure: | 23:47 |
| ybit2 | do you recall the .gov site with grant listings that i linked you to at some point? | 23:47 |
| kanzure | cool it builds | 23:48 |
| kanzure | ybit2: http://grants.gov/ | 23:48 |
| ybit2 | nope | 23:49 |
| ybit2 | there was another | 23:49 |
| kanzure | weird, the headset is a web server | 23:59 |
| kanzure | it runs on port 1726 | 23:59 |
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