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| kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/ConfigurationDirectives#WSGIDaemonProcess | 00:01 |
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| kanzure | " Note that this option is ignored if Apache wasn't started as the root user, in which case no matter what the settings, the daemon processes will be run as the user that Apache was started as." lovely | 00:01 |
| kanzure | something just irks me about running apache as root | 00:01 |
| kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/ReloadingSourceCode | 00:04 |
| jrayhawk | The apache parent process only parses configuration, logs, and brokers connections to children, who run as another user. | 00:05 |
| jrayhawk | Well, usually, anyway. | 00:05 |
| kanzure | i got a server from a previous dev team for a startup i've been conscripted into, and for some stupid reason they always ran apache as root | 00:05 |
| kanzure | this caused all the log file sto be root-only | 00:05 |
| kanzure | what is that, chmod 600? | 00:06 |
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| jrayhawk | Running apache as root is neither particularly dangerous nor particularly uncommon. | 00:06 |
| jrayhawk | What matters is the owners of the child processes. | 00:06 |
| jrayhawk | s/owners/owner | 00:06 |
| kanzure | for some reason i thought that apache2 by default runs as www-data when you install it (i.e. by apt-get and use the usual dpkg-reconfigure settings) | 00:07 |
| jrayhawk | nope | 00:07 |
| jrayhawk | root 5716 0.0 0.1 17108 6776 ? Ss Jan27 1:02 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start | 00:07 |
| jrayhawk | www-data 17504 0.0 0.9 58396 37640 ? S 05:11 0:02 \_ /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start | 00:07 |
| jrayhawk | www-data 7607 0.0 0.9 58400 37072 ? S 12:42 0:01 \_ /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start | 00:07 |
| jrayhawk | Usually trac is run with http auth digest or basic as managed by Apache | 00:10 |
| jrayhawk | which then passes that information onto running CGIs | 00:10 |
| jrayhawk | I think you can shim a client-certificate-to-auth-user translation of some sort in there, too, if you're crazy. | 00:12 |
| kanzure | http://blog.gitorious.org/2009/05/09/weve-made-a-few-changes/ they want you to do: git push git@gitorious.org:~~johan/fish-nuggets/johans-clone.git | 00:54 |
| kanzure | with the double ~~ | 00:54 |
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| kanzure | sometimes i wonder if joe is just making up computer names and randomly assigns them as a subdomain to omgwallhack.org | 01:52 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: while you were gone i was postulating a theory that you randomly generate subdomains for omgwallhack.org because every time i talk with you i learn a new server name, or you log in with a different server, etc. | 02:01 |
| jrayhawk | jblake has a list in ~/MACHINES, usually | 02:01 |
| jrayhawk | i guess that list isn't exhaustive; i use a bunch of blackadder-related names for systems, too, and occasionally i name vservers after their actual application | 02:10 |
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| fenn | i wonder why johhn schloendorn is all paranoid about there being pics of his lab getting out if they're already all over the net | 03:57 |
| QuantumG | http://www.willowgarage.com/blog/2010/02/01/lots-texas-robots <- did anyone reply when I posted this? | 04:02 |
| QuantumG | pretty cool I though | 04:03 |
| QuantumG | t | 04:03 |
| fenn | damn i just lost two days of data.. bad crash wiped out my lifelog file somehow and no way to recover (i tried undel, looking around for .save files) | 04:23 |
| QuantumG | fun | 04:23 |
| QuantumG | I had a work win64 machine that deleted all of c:\cygwin\home the other day | 04:24 |
| QuantumG | along with some of c:\cygwin\etc | 04:24 |
| QuantumG | nfi why or how | 04:24 |
| fenn | i thought this was supposed to be impossible with ext3 (but i appear to be using ext4 whatever that means) | 04:24 |
| QuantumG | yeah, you should have journaling, it shouldn't be possible | 04:25 |
| QuantumG | but hey, maybe its an app error | 04:25 |
| fenn | ok so why do i have a 4k file | 04:25 |
| fenn | i wasnt doing anything with nano at the time of the crash | 04:26 |
| QuantumG | no idea | 04:26 |
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| fenn | today i randomly recognized someone in a subway station for the first time | 06:18 |
| fenn | it was aubrey degrey | 06:18 |
| QuantumG | someone you'd never met before? | 06:18 |
| fenn | no i've met him | 06:18 |
| fenn | anyway i thought it was funny | 06:19 |
| QuantumG | ahh.. I was catching a bus from San Francisco to LA back in 2001.. this guy in a military uniform comes up to me and says "hey, are you QuantumG?" | 06:20 |
| QuantumG | took me a few minutes to answer... | 06:20 |
| QuantumG | he continues to tell me that he's some hacker recruit heading to Fort Meade and had read some of my security articles.. seen my face on the net. | 06:21 |
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| JayDugger | eh? | 08:35 |
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| JayDugger | So many departures... | 08:52 |
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| kanzure | fenn: time to get out a magnifying glass and look at the hard drive directly | 10:39 |
| kanzure | have you tried fscking it? | 10:39 |
| kanzure | sox21 responsible for hair loss? | 10:40 |
| kanzure | synthetic biology / pharma conference: http://www.www.avakado.eu/dev/Biofine/Synbio/Conference?gclid=CJqWjfHTs6ACFSpiswodhXspTA | 10:45 |
| kanzure | makerbot filament backpack http://charlespax.com/2010/03/12/filament-back-pack/ | 10:46 |
| kanzure | http://blog.reprap.org/2010/03/bowden-paste-extruder.html | 10:47 |
| kanzure | stalk: Philip Steffan | 10:47 |
| kanzure | does this url make anyone else lose their eyes in an eye rolling accident? http://tweetmeme.com/story/677598040/miniseries-unsung-heros-of-the-3d-printing-revolution-part-i-makerbot-industries | 10:48 |
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| kristianpaul | kanzure: is not bad idea have a jpg preview of skdb design files (if notis already made) | 11:13 |
| genehacker | kanzure want to go bother bre pettis, he's going to dorkbot | 11:20 |
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| kanzure | to be honest i'd rather not go near him, i might punch him | 11:35 |
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| genehacker | I figured as much | 12:22 |
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| kanzure | i wonder if WSGIDaemonProcess directives work in .htaccess | 12:38 |
| kanzure | http://codespatter.com/2009/07/08/python-projects-in-users-home-directories-with-wsgi/ | 12:38 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: well, here's some on django + mod_wsgi: http://www.davidcramer.net/code/django/108/setup-mod_wsgi-for-django-and-shared-hosting.html which came up as a random result in an unrelated search | 12:43 |
| kanzure | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2078160/static-file-with-mod-wsgi-in-django | 12:44 |
| jrayhawk | I'll probably just set up Tornado and use this as an excuse to play with nginx. | 13:03 |
| kanzure | so, this is interesting | 13:06 |
| kanzure | http://broadband.gov/ just a simple FCC "tell us how much your ISP sucks" site | 13:06 |
| kanzure | down to the street address level | 13:06 |
| kanzure | what's interesting is that brighthouse and some other ISPs are already selectively routing data to artificially inflate the numbers | 13:07 |
| kanzure | i.e. 5 hops on brighthouse instead of the average 15 to 30 hops to get anywhere when you look at the traceroute | 13:10 |
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| kanzure | maybe i over-did the import today? http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/meetlog.txt | 14:07 |
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| kanzure | behold! http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/tags.html | 15:04 |
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| * kanzure makes it a point to go to the ycombinator sxsw event on the 15th | 15:39 | |
| Utopiah | #startups is mainly a ycombinator crowd btw | 15:40 |
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| kanzure | hey hundred-ideas | 15:49 |
| hundred-ideas | Hey | 15:49 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: i wasted some time today and did a tag cloud of stuff that people talk with me about: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/tags.html | 15:49 |
| hundred-ideas | from email or irc? | 15:50 |
| kanzure | everywhere | 15:50 |
| kanzure | in person, internet, phone | 15:50 |
| hundred-ideas | you have annotated recordings of your voice conversation? | 15:52 |
| hundred-ideas | transcriptions, rather? | 15:52 |
| kanzure | no, i just remember what i talked about and write it down | 15:52 |
| kanzure | the tag cloud is generated from this data: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/meetlog.txt | 15:53 |
| hundred-ideas | right | 15:53 |
| hundred-ideas | Thecommonsjournal.org? | 15:53 |
| hundred-ideas | who do you talk with about that? | 15:53 |
| kanzure | i should fix this. this tag cloud is from (1) internet, (2) phone, (3) in person, and (4) people that i have learned about | 15:54 |
| kanzure | thecommonsjournal.org is squarely in #4 | 15:54 |
| kanzure | i wrote down the names of everyone who published in that latest issue that i really liked | 15:54 |
| hundred-ideas | well, it's still neat. | 15:54 |
| hundred-ideas | oh hey, have you heard about SKDB? | 15:54 |
| kanzure | are you trying to screw up my tag cloud :P | 15:55 |
| kanzure | oh much better, i got rid of everything from the "knowledge" category | 15:55 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/tags.html | 15:55 |
| hundred-ideas | SKDB is supposed to be launching ANY day now | 15:56 |
| hundred-ideas | Sooo much hype, though... | 15:56 |
| hundred-ideas | http://www.steorn.com/skdb/ | 15:56 |
| kanzure | yes the skdb name sucks | 15:56 |
| kanzure | ybit: no i will not change it to "fabhow" gah | 15:57 |
| hundred-ideas | haha it's just funny that of all things, the Orbo guys are using it | 15:57 |
| kanzure | ooh the page looks even better now | 15:58 |
| kanzure | what would be really cool is showing it change shape over time :) | 16:03 |
| kanzure | have different tags "die off" as i talk about them less | 16:03 |
| hundred-ideas | I'm going to read over some of the latest articles in the commons journal. microbial commons? cool | 16:11 |
| hundred-ideas | also, what's up with the houston diybio folks / diybio incubator? | 16:11 |
| kanzure | i fwd'd an email to diybio about thecommonsjournal.org | 16:11 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: basically jacob (diybio-houston) wants to do gnusha with us | 16:11 |
| kanzure | he has a little money (less than me though) that he has been throwing at marketing and images | 16:12 |
| kanzure | and presumably i'll get the skdb infrastructure up and running enough | 16:12 |
| kanzure | yesterday he purchased http://opensciencefund.org/ | 16:12 |
| kanzure | basically it's kickstarter+thingiverse+diybio or something | 16:12 |
| hundred-ideas | that's the impression I got | 16:13 |
| hundred-ideas | cool | 16:13 |
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| hundred-ideas | well, I don't understand the precise goal, but I like the idea | 16:14 |
| kanzure | the plan for gnusha is to channel money into diybio/open hardware kits | 16:14 |
| hundred-ideas | what makes a kit open? | 16:17 |
| hundred-ideas | is there a standard | 16:17 |
| kanzure | yes there is | 16:17 |
| kanzure | sadly most people just say "it's open!" and then you discover, it's not | 16:17 |
| kanzure | and they just uploaded a jpeg or something | 16:17 |
| kanzure | here is the open source definition: http://opensource.org/ | 16:18 |
| kanzure | oh i guess it's here: http://opensource.org/docs/osd | 16:18 |
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| hundred-ideas | and there are no special caveats for hardware / kits? we should just use something compatible with the osd principles? | 16:19 |
| kanzure | we should *definitely* use the OSD principles *regardless* but yes there are additional criteria that would be super-helpful with open source hardware and kits | 16:20 |
| hundred-ideas | examples? | 16:20 |
| hundred-ideas | are there any "open-source" kits that exist already that you find acceptable? | 16:21 |
| kanzure | reprap and makerbot have had a lot of love poured into them | 16:21 |
| kanzure | i think there's also some ladayada kits that might qualify? but usually she publishes proprietary file formats for designs, which is really annoying and useless (from an open source point of view) | 16:22 |
| kanzure | *ladyada | 16:22 |
| kanzure | so for that "additional criteria" that i mentioned- there's things like CAD files (the source to the 3D objects), schematics, blueprints | 16:23 |
| kanzure | each of these have some vague analogies to "source code" that you could probably come up with | 16:23 |
| hundred-ideas | practically speaking, what do we want to enable with our open-source-hardware standard? | 16:23 |
| kanzure | the "open source" part is for things like re-use, the ability to develop improvements and distribute it, redistribution licensing, etc. | 16:25 |
| kanzure | packaging allows you to redistribute and install the kits (whether just in terms of metadata or the *real things*) | 16:26 |
| hundred-ideas | right | 16:26 |
| kanzure | and with the open source hardware standard already developed (1) you get to redistribute and all the benefits and arguments of open source; (2) computers and designers get the data that they *need* to have included in the kit/package to make use out of it | 16:27 |
| kanzure | one of the sadest things out there is all the "open source" car projects | 16:28 |
| kanzure | and all of them just have pictures of cars or something, and that's it | 16:28 |
| kanzure | "look! see? it's a car!" | 16:28 |
| hundred-ideas | design files to enable others to build, improve, distribute, and sell the design and the device | 16:29 |
| hundred-ideas | let's take the gel box as an example | 16:29 |
| hundred-ideas | what's missing? | 16:29 |
| kanzure | er what do you mean "the gel box"? are you talking about a specific one? | 16:32 |
| hundred-ideas | yes, tito's $200 "open source" gel box | 16:32 |
| kanzure | well, it's completely done in sketchup, which isn't an open source standard | 16:32 |
| kanzure | it's also not under revision control thus not allowing collaborative development | 16:32 |
| kanzure | in skdb, hardware is thrown into .git repositories so that anyone can push/pull changes, merge them in or do whatever they want | 16:33 |
| kanzure | also, i'm concerned about its license (CC) but that's not a big deal (i.e. other people in here think CC is ok for hardware (so it's entirely possible i'm just inflating that particular issue)) | 16:33 |
| hundred-ideas | is that all? | 16:34 |
| kanzure | just off the top of my head | 16:34 |
| kanzure | why does he call it "open source"? | 16:34 |
| kanzure | open source is a development model.. not a business model. blah i just don't see development going on in tito's head :/ | 16:35 |
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| hundred-ideas | probably because there are no canonical "open-source" hardware projects that have done a good job publicly demonstrating what the elements of an open-source approach should be | 16:36 |
| kanzure | yeah i guess even reprap sucks from that point of view, although it's light-years ahead of pretty much everything else | 16:37 |
| kanzure | (in terms of understanding open source hardware) | 16:37 |
| kanzure | bar none, reprap is definitely the largest example of an open source hardware project | 16:38 |
| kanzure | they do get things wrong from time to time, but heck at least they have an svn repository and something resembling a project | 16:38 |
| hundred-ideas | so it seems like there are a couple of key factors you described: 1) access to all critical design files 2) revisioning of these files and developer/designer culture that understands and uses source control 3) a perpetual license to resuse, modify, distribute, and sell the designs and the object they specify | 16:38 |
| kanzure | well also for #1 is the issue of choosing file formats that facilitate #2- i.e., giving .sketchup models isn't really all that good if the only tool for modifying those files is sketchup itself.. | 16:41 |
| hundred-ideas | is c an open-source language? I guess it is, because of gcc | 16:41 |
| kanzure | i guess i'm thinking in terms of the licenses of the toolchain: it's really useless if it costs $10k to buy solidworks to modify your .sldprt file that you made "open source" | 16:41 |
| kanzure | brb phone | 16:42 |
| hundred-ideas | me too | 16:43 |
| jrayhawk | 'open development' is probably a better term than 'open source' in the contexts you guys are using. | 16:44 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: how about "OSI-compliant" | 16:59 |
| kanzure | er maybe i meant OSD-compliant | 16:59 |
| kanzure | heck even GPL would be a good start | 17:00 |
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| kanzure | list of makerbot employees: Bre, Adam, Zach, Sam, Marisol, Isaac, Ian, and Widget | 17:28 |
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| kanzure | heh i just got a list in my inbox of the world's oldest living people | 18:14 |
| kanzure | i feel compelled to make a list of current child-bearing-age womenly descendents of these people | 18:14 |
| kanzure | for 100+ people over 110, that makes for, what, at least 500 children (who are already "pretty old" themselves) | 18:14 |
| fenn | i dont get why you dont like heinlein | 18:49 |
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| fenn | i managed to do a decent reconstruction of the last two days from receipts, shell and browser history, and stuff i had written down :\ | 18:50 |
| kanzure | fenn: my dad liked it a lot, and it's standard rules for young kids to pretend to hate what their parents like | 18:51 |
| kanzure | s/it/heinlein/ | 18:51 |
| fenn | i guess i'll be backing up daily from now on | 18:51 |
| fenn | annoyingly though i didnt remember what time i took melatonin | 18:52 |
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| kanzure | hello kimyu | 18:52 |
| kimyu | hello | 18:52 |
| kanzure | there was a spanish article about diybio a while back: http://www.publico.es/ciencias/184626/biohackers/reventar/reinventar/biologia/garajes | 18:52 |
| kimyu | thank you very much kanzure | 18:55 |
| fenn | re: tag clouds, apparently you can do animation with css? http://www.webdesignerwall.com/trends/47-amazing-css3-animation-demos/ | 19:02 |
| fenn | something like this would be really cool for skdb part previews: http://www.romancortes.com/blog/css-paper-bird/ | 19:10 |
| fenn | also if anyone cares i've been talking with people from fundscience.org.. maybe jacob could cooperate with them? | 19:11 |
| kanzure | i thought we were the people's front of judiah! | 19:28 |
| fenn | i forget if someone said it already, but you could weight tags by logarithmically decreasing their size over time | 19:42 |
| fenn | or perhaps some variant of the supermemo algorithm | 19:42 |
| fenn | "these are thing bryan actually remembers" | 19:43 |
| fenn | hmm i should do that with my lifelog data | 19:44 |
| fenn | yay for having data! | 19:44 |
| fenn | "ben, you havent read about brlcad in a year, reconnect with hir!" | 19:47 |
| any49828803 | gee, i haven't seen "hir" in 25 yrs | 19:55 |
| any49828803 | er,, deja vu, i think i said that in here already | 20:01 |
| kimyu | see you tomorrow | 20:09 |
| kimyu | bye | 20:10 |
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| fenn | in this context "vim" would have been confusing | 20:14 |
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| fenn | word of the day: "periphrastic" | 20:17 |
| fenn | oh "vim" would have been wrong anyway, it's actually "ver" | 20:27 |
| * fenn makes a note to use singular "they" in the future | 20:27 | |
| kanzure | what happed to vir and ir? | 21:17 |
| kanzure | or whatever the gender-neutral terms were that were floating around the orionsarm.com community? | 21:18 |
| fenn | there seems to be a distinction between gender-ambiguous and non-gendered pronouns | 21:20 |
| fenn | "they" is ambiguous but "ve" is non-gendered | 21:20 |
| fenn | ve/vis/ver is egan's thing, probably what was used on orionsarm | 21:21 |
| kanzure | but yes i want to do something like the slidey-go-go charts on blog.okcupid.com | 21:26 |
| kanzure | except a slide-with-respect-to-time for a tag cloud | 21:26 |
| kanzure | and show different terms growing relatively larger/smaller with respect to time based off of some exponental decay or half-life coefficient | 21:27 |
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| kanzure | anyone want a shanghai java gig? | 21:47 |
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| fenn | hyberbolic discounting *mumble mumble* | 22:08 |
| fenn | i wish there were an openAL for IRC | 22:08 |
| fenn | so related channels would sort of leak in weakly | 22:08 |
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| kanzure | more pubhubblahblahblha http://status.net/wiki/OStatus which i somehow stumbled into from the gitorious main page | 23:02 |
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| timschmidt | .join #reprap-m | 23:11 |
| kanzure | bwahah | 23:11 |
| timschmidt | yeah | 23:11 |
| timschmidt | mistype | 23:11 |
| timschmidt | :/ | 23:11 |
| timschmidt | damn new keyboards | 23:12 |
| kanzure | you need to "break them" | 23:12 |
| timschmidt | meh. I just need to find some more Model Ms | 23:13 |
| kanzure | i know someone with a closet full of 'em | 23:13 |
| kanzure | want one? | 23:13 |
| timschmidt | I'll take ten | 23:13 |
| kanzure | ha, no | 23:13 |
| kanzure | 1 per customer :) | 23:13 |
| timschmidt | yes, though. I'd never turn one down. | 23:13 |
| kanzure | i'll ping him (it will take a day to get back on it since he's on the wrong side of the planet) | 23:14 |
| timschmidt | All good computer equipment was built in 1985 | 23:14 |
| timschmidt | I put a massive amount of work into my RepRap tonight | 23:15 |
| timschmidt | BTW, if you're thinking of shipping that keyboard to me, my address has changed, I can email you the new one | 23:16 |
| kanzure | ah | 23:16 |
| kanzure | yeah wouldn't want to mis-ship one of these | 23:16 |
| timschmidt | I'm preparing to build my next machine... with a 14x22" build area | 23:17 |
| timschmidt | address sent | 23:21 |
| kanzure | diybio-budapest http://biopunk.hu/2010/03/12/sf-meetup/ | 23:31 |
| kanzure | "the street finds its own uses for things" | 23:32 |
| kanzure | stalk: Endre Sebestyén | 23:35 |
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| fenn | pubsubhubbub/ostatus looks pretty cool | 23:52 |
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