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| fenn | wow i just saw the most AWESOME commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q4JLsNtDsM | 00:22 |
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| kanzure | ybit: could you linkdump on metacurrency / fake money projects? | 00:25 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: you too? | 00:25 |
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| fenn | ugh.. i hate it when you have this huge order and the shopping cart inexplicably self destructs | 02:34 |
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| kanzure | stalk: steve klabnik | 03:56 |
| fenn | i need to setup/compile/learn liquidpcb | 04:19 |
| Utopiah | kanzure: I just remember http://www.openmoney.info/ (btw I think "real" money is as fake as this one, just more widely used) | 04:31 |
| Utopiah | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_smarter_you_are_the_less_you_click.php | 04:42 |
| Utopiah | (no, it doesn't mean that AdBlock Plus makes you a genius ;) | 04:43 |
| kanzure | if you hate using a mouse, does that count | 04:51 |
| Utopiah | if you are using a mouse, it directly counts as "n00b" | 04:53 |
| Utopiah | (regarding an earlier question I asked about available legal template, just found http://www.seriesseed.com/ ) | 05:38 |
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| ybit | kanzure: they all suck, how about that for a link dump | 08:43 |
| ybit | openmoney.info was decentat some point, but it's all about metacurrency imho | 08:44 |
| ybit | and they have some game setup on flowplace | 08:44 |
| ybit | that's the only effort i care for | 08:45 |
| ybit | metacurrency is a platform for which currencies can be created and maintained | 08:51 |
| ybit | it's not another alt currency | 08:51 |
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| kingjacob | irc on my phone? | 09:11 |
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| kanzure | i think wolframalpha lost out on an opportunity to be *the* source for bloggers to go to get embedded latex and pretty graphs/charts for their crazy theories | 10:33 |
| kanzure | http://multiverseaccordingtoben.blogspot.com/2010/03/creating-predictably-beneficial-agi.html | 10:34 |
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| kanzure | stalk: ryan bethencourt | 10:59 |
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| hundred-ideas | !logs | 13:55 |
| hundred-ideas | humbug | 13:55 |
| Utopiah | http://designfiles.org/irclogs.txt | 13:56 |
| hundred-ideas | thanks | 13:59 |
| Utopiah | np | 13:59 |
| fenn | ooh ooh ooh tomorrow 6:45pm mountain view "Evaluating Eye Tracking Systems for Computer Data Entry" | 14:08 |
| Utopiah | (The dangers of Webcrawled datasets http://www.uic.edu/htbin/cgiwrap/bin/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/2739 ) | 14:10 |
| katsmeow-afk | and proposes safer alternatives? those tend to cost | 14:11 |
| katsmeow-afk | and in some cases have been human-edited, with biased humans | 14:13 |
| Utopiah | "In conclusion, I strongly encourage computing researchers to devise and use new mechanisms for collecting, auditing, using and redistributing Internet–based materials for empirical studies in computing." | 14:16 |
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| kanzure | fenn: where is the tablet | 14:20 |
| fenn | to the right of the doorway, possibly under another laptop or a tub or something | 14:24 |
| fenn | in a black case | 14:24 |
| fenn | find it? | 14:34 |
| kanzure | yes | 14:43 |
| kanzure | thank you | 14:43 |
| kanzure | forrest wants to do DMD dna synthesis | 14:43 |
| kanzure | Maskless fabrication of light-directed oligonucleotide microarrays using a digital micromirror array http://designfiles.org/papers/Maskless%20fabrication%20of%20light-directed%20oligonucleotide%20microarrays%20using%20a%20digital%20micromirror%20array.pdf | 15:03 |
| hundred-ideas | what's the best way to share microbial strains via international mail? | 15:03 |
| hundred-ideas | agar stabs? | 15:04 |
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| fenn | depending on how much money you have to waste and how heat sensitive the bugs are, might want to send an insulated container with ice packs | 15:26 |
| * katsmeow-afk makes a note to one side "not adviseable to send self-heating MRE by container ship" | 15:35 | |
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| fenn | the guy i'm sitting across from: http://www.lib.aero/~ari/aibs/ | 15:59 |
| fenn | well that's totally useless.. printer resolution test in jpg format | 16:11 |
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| fenn | wow i hate cups and printers in general | 16:35 |
| kanzure | superkuh: http://designfiles.org/papers/Polyphenoloxidase%20Silencing%20Affects%20Latex%20Coagulation%20in%20Taraxacum%20Species.pdf | 16:36 |
| kanzure | superkuh: http://designfiles.org/papers/Polyphenoloxidase%20Silencing%20Affects%20Latex%20Coagulation%20in%20Taraxacum%20Species.supplementary.pdf | 16:36 |
| superkuh | Thanks kanzure! | 16:36 |
| kanzure | stalk: andrew fire | 16:39 |
| kanzure | http://bmt.stanford.edu/research/miklos-lab.html | 16:39 |
| jrayhawk | http://iep463.nat.uni-magdeburg.de/w3fr/rotieren.html "Convection in granular media" | 16:45 |
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| fenn | how long is typically expected to fight with cups before one can actually print a file? | 17:06 |
| QuantumG | lifetime | 17:07 |
| fenn | cups generally makes me more homicidal than suicidal | 17:08 |
| QuantumG | either way, it demands blood | 17:09 |
| Noahj | Cups hasn't demanded any virgin sacrifices from my village in ages | 17:09 |
| Noahj | What're you trying to print to? | 17:09 |
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| fenn | there's five printers here, one of them | 17:10 |
| fenn | the laserjet 4050N looks old school enough to perhaps behave predictably | 17:10 |
| Noahj | That sounds like it'd work fine | 17:11 |
| fenn | yes it does | 17:11 |
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| fenn | who the heck puts in all this data anyway: http://tinyurl.com/googlebikewtf | 19:08 |
| fenn | oh look i'll be going right past google | 19:09 |
| fenn | kanzure: plz powercycle tub when convenient | 19:12 |
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| kanzure | fenn: forrest poked your tub today | 19:56 |
| fenn | did he break it? | 19:58 |
| kanzure | no, try now | 19:59 |
| kanzure | or give it a moment to finish booting | 19:59 |
| kanzure | paul graham is a total "social" geek | 20:00 |
| kanzure | fairly disinterested in tech even in person | 20:00 |
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| fenn | that's not surprising i guess.. running a startup business is mostly about being a salesman | 20:02 |
| fenn | tub is up now, thanks | 20:02 |
| kanzure | also, money is def. not the issue on that shopping cart you sent me | 20:04 |
| kanzure | so now it's just a matter of me (1) getting money moved around (i.e. paypal) and (2) having the assistant do the actual order | 20:04 |
| kanzure | oh maybe she can do #1 too | 20:04 |
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| fenn | can i just get random crap for the dojo like a drill press, even though i dont need one right now? | 20:10 |
| kanzure | why for the dojo? | 20:10 |
| fenn | because it's silly to buy a drill press just for me? | 20:11 |
| fenn | and i have nowhere to put it | 20:11 |
| fenn | and i'd rather it be in the lab next to all the other tools | 20:11 |
| kanzure | gah why don't we have HQ yet | 20:11 |
| kanzure | can you just pick out a building for me to buy | 20:11 |
| kanzure | kthx | 20:11 |
| fenn | buy 140A s whisman, mountain view ca | 20:12 |
| kanzure | california is expensive | 20:12 |
| fenn | ok how about a castle in albania | 20:12 |
| kanzure | fuck yeah? :) | 20:13 |
| kanzure | actually.. | 20:13 |
| fenn | actually your mysterious investor already owns a castle in albania | 20:13 |
| kanzure | O_o | 20:14 |
| kanzure | "Former President Bill Clinton is one of the most accomplished networkers of all time. Even as a student, he'd write down the name, number and a few notes about everyone he met." | 20:15 |
| kanzure | "He'd go over these notes, and years later if he met the person again, would bring up something from that initial meeting. By the time he ran for president, there were about 10,000 Friends of Bill." | 20:15 |
| kanzure | that's all? 10k friends? | 20:15 |
| genehacker | that's more than 1000 true fans... | 20:16 |
| fenn | btw dunno if i shared this.. found it in the electronics cave yesterday: http://fennetic.net/irc/privateeye.jpg | 20:16 |
| kanzure | WHAT? 9000? | 20:16 |
| kanzure | oh shit you found a privateeye! :) | 20:16 |
| kanzure | good find | 20:16 |
| kanzure | michael wittig's friend "programmeratarms" wrote the linux drivers for that | 20:16 |
| kanzure | for the Private Eye P4 | 20:16 |
| fenn | it uses a mini-ISA CGA graphics card :\ | 20:16 |
| genehacker | that is the mythical Private Eye? | 20:17 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/irc/privateeye2.jpg | 20:18 |
| genehacker | GEEK CRED +1000 POINTS | 20:18 |
| kanzure | huh with a manual | 20:18 |
| genehacker | doesn't it display in red and you see stuff all green-looking afterward? | 20:19 |
| genehacker | and it's only good for text | 20:19 |
| fenn | omg this place has a logic analyzer but no dremel tool? | 20:19 |
| genehacker | where is this place | 20:19 |
| fenn | 140a s whisman rd, mountain view ca | 20:19 |
| fenn | about 2 blocks south of the googleplex | 20:20 |
| fenn | er, something like that | 20:20 |
| genehacker | surplus store for old electronics crap? | 20:20 |
| kanzure | "Clinton works assiduously at his friendships. When Loewe got back to Germany after his Fulbright time, the letters began, in Clinton's exquisite script. "Like works of art," says Loewe." | 20:20 |
| kanzure | "and the regular summons to the gatherings of the clan of the FOBs." | 20:20 |
| kanzure | "He was invited to the three-day party that Clinton threw at Oxford, which climaxed in a magnificently illegal all-night barbecue on the roof of venerable University College" meh | 20:20 |
| fenn | sorry, 2 miles south of google.. a bit different eh | 20:21 |
| genehacker | the one that has old windows OS disks in their original containers of evil? | 20:21 |
| genehacker | the one that still has a Commodore 64 section? | 20:21 |
| fenn | a BBQ doesn't sound "magnificently illegal" (unless they were BBQ'ing something unusual) | 20:22 |
| kanzure | "They have also been, for two decades, Clinton's little-known asset, a private think tank with an extraordinary range of skills. The FOBs include foreign-policy specialists, economists and trade experts, health-care consultants and legal eagles, experts on European social policies and even Kremlinologists" | 20:22 |
| genehacker | a barbecue on the roof of a college | 20:23 |
| genehacker | you know there's a giant parabolic mirror on top of ETC building on the campus? | 20:23 |
| genehacker | hmmmm...... | 20:23 |
| genehacker | just need a sunny day and something to barbecue.... | 20:24 |
| kanzure | someone at the ycombinator meetup recommended this: http://www.amazon.com/Never-Eat-Alone-Secrets-Relationship/dp/0385512058 | 20:24 |
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| kanzure | but i thought that was obvious | 20:25 |
| genehacker | self-help books tend to have low success | 20:25 |
| genehacker | according to some studies | 20:25 |
| fenn | (give it a minute to upload) http://fennetic.net/irc/etc_roof_4031611781.jpg | 20:25 |
| kanzure | self-help books largely help the authors | 20:26 |
| kanzure | but "never eat alone" is, itself, good advice (the saying; i can't speak for the book with the title) | 20:26 |
| genehacker | hmm... | 20:26 |
| genehacker | I'm assuming you didn't take that picture fenn? | 20:27 |
| fenn | nah it was some professor whose name i forgot | 20:27 |
| genehacker | I really need to go up there sometime | 20:27 |
| fenn | timothy silverman | 20:28 |
| fenn | he has some other cool roof photos | 20:28 |
| genehacker | I also need to figure out how to use fscking SR3d builder | 20:28 |
| kanzure | tim is a professor? wtf | 20:29 |
| kanzure | he has an office on the 3rd floor of etc, i thought he was a grad student | 20:29 |
| fenn | is this the mirror you were talking about? http://www.flickr.com/photos/31143498@N03/4032363714/ | 20:29 |
| fenn | kanzure: he might be a grad student, i dunno | 20:29 |
| kanzure | definitely a grad student | 20:29 |
| kanzure | he was in here once, iirc | 20:29 |
| genehacker | I have no idea fenn | 20:30 |
| genehacker | I don't think so | 20:30 |
| genehacker | how the heck did that get up there? | 20:30 |
| genehacker | wonder if it's leftover from the coldwar or some prof got it to piss off the astronomers in the building over... | 20:31 |
| kanzure | http://www.ohanda.org | 20:32 |
| kanzure | http://www.gosh2009.ca/wiki/images/Ohanda_piksel.pdf | 20:33 |
| kanzure | "OHANDA (Open Hardware and Design Alliance) is an initiative to foster sustainable sharing of open hardware and design. It was started at the GOSH!-Grounding Open Source Hardware summit at the Banff Centre in July 2009 and one of the first goals of the project is to build a repository for open hardware design which includes a certification model and a registration service." | 20:34 |
| kanzure | Jürgen Neumann, Tuomo Tammenpãã, Gisle Frøysland, Bengt Sjölén | 20:34 |
| kanzure | (08:35:34 PM) Brian Degger: onhandra is new, so its doing that strange thing of starting with a trademark (they are designers) | 20:34 |
| kanzure | sigh | 20:35 |
| kanzure | how are they different from harkopen, liquidware, bildr, actualhardware, unptnt, instructables, thingiverse, | 20:35 |
| kanzure | eh i guess that pdf explains it | 20:37 |
| kanzure | (08:44:24 PM) Brian Degger: and now something totally different :http://simplemachines.it/index2.html a single board computer under TAPR OHL, at the 2 protypes + 100 sample board stage | 20:44 |
| fenn | meh | 20:46 |
| fenn | i forget, does the TAPR license actually work? | 20:46 |
| hundred-ideas | hey, bildr *sounds* amazing... so is it vaporware? | 20:51 |
| kanzure | the guy behind it, adam, is just some "designer" | 20:51 |
| kanzure | all these designers are total fakes because they can't design worth shit | 20:51 |
| kanzure | they just come up with graphics and art and call themselves design engineers | 20:51 |
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| * kanzure wishes people would realize that art is allowed to *do* stuff | 20:52 | |
| genehacker | heh | 20:52 |
| fenn | check out the "spin" feature: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=17-366-014-TS&SpinSet=17-366-014-RS&ISList=17-366-014-Z01%2c17-366-014-Z02%2c17-366-014-Z03%2c17-366-014-Z04%2c17-366-014-Z05%2c17-366-014-Z06&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16817366014&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=SABRENT%20EC-UST25%20Aluminum%202.5%22%20USB2.0%20to%20SATA%20External%20Enclosure | 20:52 |
| fenn | oh crap | 20:52 |
| genehacker | I can attest to that | 20:52 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: i talked with adam (of bildr.org) over the phone | 20:52 |
| fenn | http://tinyurl.com/yfxdwly | 20:52 |
| kanzure | basically he has this svn-backend that he's been working on, but it's no where near ready, and he sounded interested in skdb | 20:52 |
| genehacker | for example, making products that are thermodynamically impossible | 20:52 |
| kanzure | but ultimately it seems like he's not interested in moving forward | 20:53 |
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| JayDugger | Just lurking...ignore me, please. | 20:53 |
| genehacker | spin feature? | 20:53 |
| fenn | JayDugger: traditional lurking protocol dictates you just don't say anything | 20:53 |
| genehacker | that's fairly old | 20:53 |
| fenn | genehacker: the little scrubber on the bottom | 20:53 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: doin it wrong | 20:54 |
| fenn | is it? i've never seen it before (i havent been paying attention) | 20:54 |
| genehacker | ??? | 20:54 |
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| genehacker | never seen it before? | 20:54 |
| genehacker | I've seen it back when I was younger | 20:54 |
| hundred-ideas | is unptnt dead? | 20:54 |
| genehacker | back in 2000 | 20:55 |
| genehacker | I think | 20:55 |
| genehacker | or 2002 | 20:55 |
| hundred-ideas | or unptnt = actualhardware? | 20:55 |
| fenn | well, i want to do something like the spin thingy for skdb part previews | 20:55 |
| genehacker | it's been around for years | 20:55 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: unptnt is dead and =~ actualhardware | 20:55 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: unptnt is basically dave rauchwerk's project, he's in the austin area and we hang out fairly frequently | 20:55 |
| genehacker | well you'll have to get a special platform that rotates stuff and makes a camera take pictures | 20:56 |
| kanzure | he's more than happy having me do all the work for him :P | 20:56 |
| hundred-ideas | ohanda? | 20:56 |
| hundred-ideas | oops I was at ohanda.com | 20:56 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: ohanda is just some art project: http://www.gosh2009.ca/wiki/images/Ohanda_piksel.pdf | 20:56 |
| hundred-ideas | and what do you think about ifixit? | 20:56 |
| kanzure | looked like an instructables clone | 20:57 |
| kanzure | but | 20:57 |
| kanzure | if you're able to get a word in for skdb with it, i'd definitely be willing to do work | 20:57 |
| kanzure | to make that happen | 20:57 |
| fenn | the idea is "use trademark instead of copyright for copylefting hardware" | 20:57 |
| fenn | i'm not a lawyer but i dont think it would work | 20:57 |
| kanzure | heh | 20:57 |
| kanzure | there was this guy at a bus stop today who looked *just like bre* and i asked him, "are you bre?" | 20:58 |
| kanzure | he wasn't, but i explained who i thought he was anyway | 20:58 |
| kanzure | turns out this guy has extensive knowledge of 3d printers | 20:58 |
| kanzure | maybe it comes with the glasses and gray hair | 20:58 |
| fenn | clones | 20:58 |
| kanzure | AWESOME!~~3`4332rcdsa | 20:58 |
| fenn | i'm convinced there was a secret cloning experiment in the 80's | 20:58 |
| kanzure | note to mac: this is sarcasm. | 20:59 |
| kanzure | please do not be like bre, ever | 20:59 |
| kanzure | also i came across an interesting tidbit today- facebook friends are limited to 5k | 21:00 |
| genehacker | he does? | 21:01 |
| genehacker | odd | 21:01 |
| genehacker | what a coincidence | 21:01 |
| genehacker | maybe he's bre's doppelganger | 21:01 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open_source_hardware_projects | 21:01 |
| hundred-ideas | kanzure: I think the skdb / gnuasha team needs to co-opt some of these designers | 21:01 |
| hundred-ideas | you all want the same thing | 21:02 |
| kanzure | http://www.gosh2009.ca/wiki/index.php/List_of_Open_Hardware_Projects | 21:02 |
| hundred-ideas | and they have skills that could greatly enhance your efforts | 21:02 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: yeah but nobody listens to me | 21:02 |
| kanzure | i would love to work with them | 21:02 |
| hundred-ideas | Ok. Well, one of my few skills is outreach | 21:03 |
| hundred-ideas | so... maybe we could have a big party. | 21:03 |
| kanzure | well, look at the bottom | 21:03 |
| kanzure | http://piksel.no/pipermail/gosh/2010-March/thread.html | 21:03 |
| kanzure | in the time it took you to type those messages :P i already got a hold of 'em | 21:03 |
| kanzure | so.. yeah | 21:03 |
| kanzure | but maybe you could convince them or something | 21:04 |
| kanzure | ooh ooh, convince zach hoeken while you're at it | 21:04 |
| kanzure | pretty please? | 21:04 |
| genehacker | you should have asked bre to take a message to Zach's secret mountain hideout | 21:04 |
| JayDugger | There's also a tracking list at OSHBM Requested Contributors. http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AgY8iyNeuVgwdEY3MFFtUmFueFdlMXNLOHI0R1dhUmc&hl=en | 21:04 |
| kanzure | oh right | 21:05 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: have you seen that list? | 21:05 |
| hundred-ideas | [reading...] no | 21:05 |
| kanzure | actually, i know most of those people | 21:05 |
| JayDugger | More generally, http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AgY8iyNeuVgwdEY3MFFtUmFueFdlMXNLOHI0R1dhUmc&hl=en | 21:05 |
| kanzure | what i really need is a list of people that i should be following up with that i don't already know | 21:05 |
| kanzure | (some of these GOSH people are obvious people who should be on the list) | 21:05 |
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| kanzure | what i really need from artsy peeps is some visual representation of "apt-get" | 21:07 |
| kanzure | for goodness' sake, there is *no* diagram of "the process of apt-get" | 21:07 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: unless you know of one? | 21:07 |
| JayDugger | Why not spend some grant money on that idea? | 21:07 |
| JayDugger | It seems generally useful. | 21:07 |
| kanzure | because i don't know anyone who has an idea for it yet | 21:08 |
| JayDugger | See if Anders Sandberg will do it. He could, but I suspect you could find someone equally competent in your area. | 21:08 |
| kanzure | anders does art? | 21:08 |
| JayDugger | ? | 21:08 |
| JayDugger | Yes. | 21:08 |
| JayDugger | (So much for lurking.) | 21:08 |
| kanzure | i'd be willing to put forward a reasonable bounty | 21:08 |
| kanzure | because i've tried and tried, and just can't get anything | 21:09 |
| JayDugger | Or Winchell Chung. | 21:09 |
| JayDugger | Hang on, let me find some links... | 21:09 |
| kanzure | i'm not familiar with chung | 21:09 |
| JayDugger | Did the art for Ogre? | 21:09 |
| JayDugger | And Attack Vector:Tactical? | 21:10 |
| JayDugger | I appear to be the only wargamer here. :) | 21:10 |
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| hundred-ideas | back. was reading http://piksel.no/pipermail/gosh/2010-March/000338.html. Brian, you should publish that on skdb.org as an introductory essay. It's the best exposition I have heard. | 21:10 |
| kanzure | is it better than the video | 21:11 |
| JayDugger | Different media, different messages? | 21:11 |
| hundred-ideas | exactly. writing requires more active involvement from the audience, too, and can be more efficient than video. plus it will increase your googleability. | 21:12 |
| hundred-ideas | as for visualizing apt-get, I have seen some cool visualizations of git workflows... probably some of the same visual models would work. | 21:13 |
| kanzure | ok changed the page: http://gnusha.org/ | 21:16 |
| hundred-ideas | center the lower div containing the text | 21:18 |
| hundred-ideas | plz. | 21:18 |
| hundred-ideas | cheers to brian for reaching out for GOSH, btw. | 21:18 |
| kanzure | heh apt-get as a political statement: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/sudo-apt-get-remove-mono-common.jpg | 21:19 |
| kanzure | (mono-common has been infecting ubuntu karmic recently) | 21:19 |
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| kanzure | so, forrest, jacob, letti, and another guy came over today from diybio-houston | 21:22 |
| kanzure | it turns out that the reason they came down was me | 21:22 |
| kanzure | so that was cool | 21:22 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: http://gnusha.org/ better? | 21:25 |
| hundred-ideas | kanzure: ... it's ok | 21:25 |
| kanzure | i can't center it exactly because centering it would center each individual line | 21:26 |
| kanzure | also, i suck at xhtml | 21:26 |
| hundred-ideas | use this as the style: timoreilly | 21:27 |
| hundred-ideas | oooops | 21:27 |
| hundred-ideas | no no no don't use timoreilly | 21:27 |
| hundred-ideas | style="width:600px; margin:auto;" | 21:28 |
| * hundred-ideas works in firefox. | 21:28 | |
| hundred-ideas | anyway, how was meeting jacob? | 21:28 |
| kanzure | went well | 21:29 |
| kanzure | i'm in firefox and this looks painful: http://gnusha.org/ | 21:29 |
| hundred-ideas | (maybe even use 550px as width) | 21:29 |
| kanzure | ah, better | 21:30 |
| hundred-ideas | ok anyway, so how is Jacob's incubator startup thing developing? | 21:34 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure it's going to morph into the gnusha co-op/incubator even if not in brand | 21:34 |
| kanzure | basically a lot of people are having this same idea, so i see no reason to separate the initiatives per-se | 21:35 |
| hundred-ideas | cool | 21:35 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: http://ikiwiki.info/ i don't think you've seen this yet | 21:35 |
| kanzure | but basically the idea is to embed the hardware's wiki inside the .git dev repository | 21:36 |
| kanzure | then you just take the .git where-ever you want and host it however you'd like | 21:36 |
| kanzure | so having an incubator sponsor these repositories, or projects that build on top of open source hardware, etc., is good | 21:36 |
| kanzure | getting discounts on co-op hardware/kits is doable too for kickstarter-like-projects | 21:37 |
| kanzure | lots of opportunity :) | 21:37 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: have you read that skdb update email before? i think i sent it to you in january | 21:38 |
| kanzure | but it has a good overview of what i think would make a good incubator/co-op rigup | 21:38 |
| hundred-ideas | maybe, but it's so long I may not have retained all of it | 21:38 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: also there's http://oshwbank.org/ and http://cloudfab.com/ to add to the list of "name squatters in the open source hardware space" (i.e. people not doin' it :( right) | 21:42 |
| hundred-ideas | is oshwbank the same as liquidhardware? | 21:51 |
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| kanzure | hundred-ideas: no | 21:51 |
| hundred-ideas | so what's the latest w/ OSHBM? | 21:59 |
| kanzure | i have an MBA grad dood looking it over and coming up with some way to better present the market data | 22:00 |
| kanzure | (cam houser) | 22:00 |
| JayDugger | Found a use for his skills? | 22:01 |
| hundred-ideas | Have you mailed me the prospectus? | 22:04 |
| hundred-ideas | I recall a large google doc... | 22:04 |
| kanzure | http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ad_WP5lmDYDzZHQ4MmZxMl8xM2ZrMmZjOWZ0&hl=en | 22:05 |
| kanzure | if that links doesn't work, try: http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0Ad_WP5lmDYDzZHQ4MmZxMl8xM2ZrMmZjOWZ0&hl=en | 22:05 |
| kanzure | hm that's the same link | 22:05 |
| kanzure | i'd like to iron things out with jacob, joseph, vitaly, etc. on what they want the incubator/co-op to feel like before i move forward (so in the mean time i have the business mathy stuff getting more concrete) | 22:06 |
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| kanzure | opensciencefund.org doesn't play directly into the co-op/incubator model (at least by name) but i think jacob's behind it either way | 22:08 |
| kanzure | there's def. support from diybio-houston on it | 22:08 |
| hundred-ideas | hah the pdf printout of the gnusha gdoc is 113 pages | 22:15 |
| kanzure | there's a lot of white space | 22:16 |
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| JayDugger | Time to commute. Good night, all. | 22:19 |
| kanzure | night | 22:19 |
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| kanzure | hundred-ideas: flying people out for a conference costs a lot | 22:38 |
| kanzure | let's say it costs the average participant $1k overall for the whole event | 22:38 |
| hundred-ideas | yep | 22:38 |
| kanzure | for 100 people, that's $100,000 that would have been better spent.. | 22:38 |
| kanzure | let's start with just getting them to chat on IRC :P | 22:40 |
| katsmeow | they may prefer to spend $1k on flying than dl an irc client :-/ | 22:41 |
| kanzure | wtf | 22:42 |
| kanzure | pay a kid $0.50 to install one, geebus | 22:43 |
| kanzure | jeebus? geebus? | 22:43 |
| katsmeow | i dunno <shrug> | 22:44 |
| hundred-ideas | you're perspective on how the world should work and how people should act is respected but by no means shared | 22:51 |
| genehacker | hmmm... | 22:52 |
| katsmeow | "your are perspective...." ? | 22:52 |
| genehacker | I think I just found an exponential | 22:52 |
| katsmeow | lol | 22:52 |
| genehacker | http://sites.google.com/site/cirospictures/787MaterialLay-downRates.jpg | 22:52 |
| hundred-ideas | whoops, your | 22:52 |
| hundred-ideas | getting late here | 22:52 |
| katsmeow | ditto | 22:52 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: that's like saying "people should give me $100k because it makes no sense to you" | 22:53 |
| hundred-ideas | anyway, kanzure, I encourage you to post a scenario outlining how a virtual event might work. It could be really cool - if everyone payed $500 to participate (instead of buying a flight, as you suggested), who knows how we could more efficiently use the money | 22:53 |
| kanzure | i'd be willing to host and organize said event if you'd like | 22:54 |
| hundred-ideas | kanzure: no it's not. I'm not saying anyone should do anything, actually, and furthermore, the money wouldn't be going to me. You're just being inflammatory. | 22:54 |
| * katsmeow smells a flame war | 22:54 | |
| hundred-ideas | kanzure: said event needs more elaboration. I will elaborate on a physical meet-up if you will provide an alternative scenario with a more compelling use of the hypothetical travel costs | 22:54 |
| kanzure | i think $100k could cover the equipment cost of 20 labs over | 22:58 |
| kanzure | *diybio labs | 22:58 |
| hundred-ideas | cool, all we need is a coherent vision | 23:01 |
| hundred-ideas | good luck | 23:01 |
| hundred-ideas | I'm off to bed | 23:01 |
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| kanzure | uh oh mac is starting to sound like eliezer | 23:07 |
| kanzure | coherent extrapolated visionlition | 23:07 |
| kanzure | *volition | 23:07 |
| kanzure | same thing | 23:07 |
| kanzure | http://singinst.org/upload/CEV.html | 23:07 |
| kanzure | http://sachachua.com/wp/2006/09/networking-is-about-being-memorable-the-art-of-the-deep-bump/ | 23:52 |
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