2010-03-24.log

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kanzurenick and steve idn't tel me that cloudfab was launching today00:56
kanzure*teel00:57
kanzure"You can pull a file from Thingiverse to try it out."00:57
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kanzure"My name is Maggie Koerth-Baker. I'm a science journalist and01:11
kanzurecontributing editor to BoingBoing.net. I'd like to write a story about01:11
kanzureDIY synthetic biologists, and their relationships (or lack thereof)01:11
kanzurewith professional scientists."01:11
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JayDuggerHello, everyone.05:43
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kanzure"Has anyone made a DIY version of the Festo iFab? It's a 3DOF parallel robot (instead of the serial cartesian thing) that doesn't look hard to build, but Festo's is the only one I've seen.07:05
kanzurehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txF78s-QczU "07:05
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genehackeryup someone has08:19
genehackerI don't know if they ever put an extruder on it though08:19
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JayDuggerGood night, everyone.08:58
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ybita $30k laser cutter on instructables: http://www.instructables.com/id/CO2-laser-that-cuts-sheet-metal/09:55
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facefacehey ya11:21
facefacehttp://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/v7/n3s/abs/nmeth.f.301.html11:21
facefaceVisualizing biological data--now and in the future11:21
facefacecheck fig 111:22
kanzurehttp://www.festo.com/cms/en-us_us/10312_10347.htm festo ifab12:22
kanzuremeh12:22
kanzureyay for cabextract13:02
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fennawww i missed the QS show&tell13:45
fenn*bonk*13:45
fennkanzure: please powercycle tubputer whenever is convenient13:48
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kanzureooh ooh google fails! says that mac wrote something that eric wrote14:19
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kanzurefenn: tubputer is go14:28
maraineincan i ask what the tubputer is?14:29
kanzureit's a tub with a computer in it14:43
maraineinit's not made out of biological components or anything?14:45
kanzurewell it has some dead bugs on the bottom14:54
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bkeroI think you guys emailed this guy asking to open his code.  http://kotaku.com/5501295/love-is-the-game-that-earns-you-respect-breaks-the-world-of-warcraft-rules15:28
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stragesomg15:41
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bkerohttp://www.quelsolaar.com/love/gameplay_video.html15:43
bkeroThat looks fantastic15:43
fennyeah i doubt the guy will ever do anything bmore with it though15:46
kanzurehttp://thereifixedit.com/15:53
bkeroIf he made it right he shouldn't have to.15:53
bkeroProcedurally generated content.15:53
* kanzure is in wuv with procedurally generated content15:53
bkerokanzure: Where'd you find some?15:53
kanzurei was writing my own content generator back in "the day"15:53
kanzurefor an mmorpg i was working on15:54
kanzurecan anyone on windows install this and send me a .zip of the contents? http://download.8020.net/AutoQuoterX1081112.zip15:55
bkerowine doesn't decompress it?15:55
kanzure17:03 < bdesk> kanzure will save us from the relentless shortening of our telomeres with his singularity-accelerating self replicating universal 15:55
kanzure17:03 < bdesk> kanzure will save us from the relentless shortening of our telomeres with his singularity-accelerating self replicating universal fabricators15:55
kanzurebkero: i can unzip it and get out a .exe15:55
kanzurewine can run the .exe and it will then extract setup.exe and a .msi15:56
kanzuresetup.exe fails because it wants autocad to be installed15:56
fennlots of interesting stuff here http://opencv.willowgarage.com/wiki/GSOC_OpenCV201015:56
kanzurerunning the .msi on its own fails because it has to be running while setup.exe is running15:56
kanzurei can extract some files from the .msi, but only dlls and other bullshit15:56
kanzureapparently on windows you should be able to extract everything from the .msi file15:56
kanzurein particular i'd like to see the *actual* autocad plugin and whatever data it is using15:57
kanzureopencv made gsoc2010. huh15:57
kanzurethere's not many college students these days that are going to be using boost15:58
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kanzureSkp2 targeting suppresses tumorigenesis by Arf-p53-independent cellular senescence16:08
kanzurehttp://designfiles.org/papers/longevity/Skp2%20targeting%20suppresses%20tumorigenesis%20by%20Arf-p53-independent%20cellular%20senescence.pdf16:08
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kanzureso!17:49
kanzurei hate "science journalism" as much as the next person17:50
kanzurehttp://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-03/uotm-dsg031510.php17:50
kanzureoh look, no link to the pdf17:50
kanzurei've written a tiny server to deal with this issue17:50
kanzurejust prepend http://designfiles.org:8085/ to the bullshit17:50
kanzureso:17:50
kanzurehttp://designfiles.org:8085/http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-03/uotm-dsg031510.php17:50
kanzurethere's a bookmarklet in a link on this page for firefox users: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/science_news_resolver.html17:51
kanzurejust drag and drop that into a bookmarklet bar and click whenever your bullshit detectors start acting up17:51
kanzureit of course also works without the bookmarklet, like17:52
kanzurehttp://www.physorg.com/news188678841.html17:52
kanzurehttp://designfiles.org:8085/http://www.physorg.com/news188678841.html17:52
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fenn!help19:29
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JayDuggerGood evening, everyone.19:44
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kanzurehello JayDugger 19:59
kanzurehi fenn 19:59
kanzurehope you two can find some use in my "science journalism hatred" server thingy19:59
fennpapers are a waste of time20:05
fennrawr20:06
fennthe connection to davinci sucked at two locations; this can only mean it's under heavy load20:06
kanzurethere's some typing lag going on but it's not much (i also thought it was just heybryan.org's fault)20:06
JayDugger?20:07
JayDuggerSorry, I missed all of that.20:07
kanzurewe have looogs now :)20:07
fennwhy is ursula leguin consiered a science fictionw riter?20:08
fennkanzure: did youse order circuitspecialsits yet?20:08
kanzureno :(20:08
kanzurealso, my assistant has cut out on me20:08
kanzurei didn't have her under any particular contract20:08
fennwell, i've been buying stuff at inflated local prices because supposedly i'm spending someone else's money20:09
kanzureuh20:09
kanzurewhy are you doing stupid things?20:09
kanzurecalifornia is not the place to spend money fenn..20:09
fennit's <$5020:10
kanzurewhat is 'it'?20:10
kanzureanyway i'm wondering if i should look for a new assistant or not20:10
JayDuggerFenn: LeGuin wrote science fiction, some quite good.20:11
fennusb serial dongle, null modem cable, ribbon cable adapter (10 pin), 5mm bolt, springs, tubing, set screws, allen keys.. blah blah blah20:11
kanzureoh, stuff stuff20:11
kanzurerighto20:11
JayDuggerShe has a distinctive style, heavy on characterization, and very short on preaching.20:12
fennshort on preaching my ass20:12
JayDuggerE.g., The Left hand of Darkness, The Lathe of Heaven.20:12
kanzure'lathe of heaven'? rofl20:12
kanzure#hplusroadmap nethack edition20:12
fennthe whole of "wizard of earthsea" was preaching20:12
kanzure........@......D.....20:13
kanzure........@.....D......20:13
kanzure........@....D.......20:13
kanzure........@...D........20:13
kanzure........@..D.........20:13
kanzurequick someone do something!20:13
fennis that your penis shrinking?20:13
kanzure........@.D..........20:13
JayDuggerThat's her fantasy work.20:13
kanzure.....D...@...........120:14
kanzurefuck i screwed up i think20:14
fennis it a feynman diagram?20:14
kanzureit's #hplusroadmap nethack edition20:14
kanzurecan't you tell? :(20:14
JayDuggerMan...no.20:14
fennwhat does D stand for?20:14
JayDuggerI just uninstalled nethack and angband from my phone.20:14
kanzuredragon20:14
JayDuggerIt'd seem more appropriate to have Santa Claus guarding a hall of RepRaps.20:16
fennkanzure: i have an idea.. you send me a credit card and i buy stuff with it :P20:16
kanzureactually, i might as well20:18
JayDuggerkanzure, Did you get value returned on the money and time you spent using an assistant?20:18
QuantumGand is assistant a euphemism?20:19
kanzureassistant is not a euphemism20:19
kanzurei didn't spend any money on her, it was kinda a trial thing for starters20:19
JayDuggerOkay, was the time you spent worth it?20:20
kanzureno not really, i'll have to start with someon else now20:22
kanzure*someone20:22
JayDuggerHmm...well, remember you could hire someone to do quotidian tasks, and not just professional aid.20:22
JayDuggerYou might save more time by hiring a maid than an assistant.20:22
fennhire an indian in india20:23
JayDuggerYeah, you might see if Ferris's new edition of 4-hour work-week has any good tips.20:24
fennthen ask him a bunch of math questions and ramble about ramanujan constantly20:24
kanzurehttp://getfriday.com/20:24
kanzurehttp://b2kcorp.com/20:24
kanzurehttp://www.catchfriday.com/20:24
kanzurehttp://lifenzyme.com/20:24
kanzurehttp://asksunday.com/20:24
JayDugger:)20:24
kanzurehttp://yourmaninindia.com/20:24
kanzurehttp://domystuff.com/20:24
kanzurehttp://www.taskseveryday.com/20:24
kanzuregetfriday.com seems to be the most respectable so far, but i don't know20:24
JayDuggerHire an assistant to review them.20:24
kanzuredoesn't that depend on the initial quality20:25
JayDuggerYes. That's what makes my joke work.20:25
JayDuggerN.B.: Deadpan's hard in IRC.20:25
fenncan you hire a slave child from any of those sites?20:26
fennyou cooh wait, can one "hire" a slave anyway? or do you have to buy them outright for it to be considered slavery?20:26
fenngah20:26
JayDuggerNo, you can still have indentured servitude, regardless of race or gender.20:26
JayDuggerJust ask your credit card company.20:27
JayDuggerMore seriously, you could try http://vanetworking.com/20:30
JayDuggerYou can submit a RFP on that site. 20:30
JayDuggerI haven't used them, and their website looks awful.20:31
kanzurei think i might prefer either (1) someone local or (2) someone on one of the mailing lists or communities i am involved in20:31
JayDuggerPreference or requirement?20:31
kanzurewell, it's a requirement that i be in contact them outside of some shitty proprietary interface like getfriday (or whatever)20:32
kanzure#2 has a lot of weight20:32
JayDuggerFair point. 20:37
JayDuggerTime to commute. Good night, all.20:38
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nshgoogle now has real-time twitter feeds in its search results: http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=teahadists20:43
nsha 'pause' link in my googles? perhaps a line has been crossed20:43
kanzure"In metasyntactic Mad-Lib substitution joke, Communist rhetorical cliches build unexpected wooden puns out of YEW!"20:44
kanzurensh: yeah those have been showing up in my search results for a few months now :(20:44
nshtruly, these are the end times.20:45
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kanzurestalk: Ron K. Jeffries <rjeffries@gmail.com>21:03
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kanzure"Steve Rubel writes about the virtues of correspondence. His post includes a picture of the machine Thomas Jefferson designed which copied his hand written letters as he wrote. Who knew."21:09
kanzurehttp://www.steverubel.com/three-ideas-to-rock-your-2010-part-i-correspo21:09
kanzure""From sun-rise to one or two o'clock," he noted, "I am drudging at the writing table." Jefferson wrote almost 20,000 letters in his lifetime, among them, scholarly musings to colleagues, affectionate notes to his family, and civil responses to admirers."21:11
kanzure"He wrote John Adams that he suffered "under the persecution of letters," calculating that he received 1,267 letters in the year 1820, "many of them requiring answers of elaborate research, and all to be answered with due attention and consideration.""21:11
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kanzurewtf22:08
kanzure"As a follow-up for to phpGCode and JavaScriptGcode I now have ported the library to the BASIC language."22:08
kanzure"EMC2 supports Python out of the box but I don't prefer programming in Python. I use the PHP version for the stuff I do. But I thought at least someone might get a use out of a BASIC version."22:08
kanzurephp and python are very similar, except php has been "optimized" for mod_php more than anything22:09
nshwat22:10
kanzurehonestly i have zero respect for php programmers22:10
* kanzure used to be a php programmer22:11
kanzurethe only reason you ever learn about php is because it's what your crappy shared hosting provider lets you use22:11
kanzureand some friend lets you on to it22:11
kanzureand down you go down a terrible, dark, ridiculous hole of no return22:11
kanzurethinking you know how to do development22:11
nshonly time i wrote php was when i was going to hack something up with mediawiki22:12
nshand i gave up on that22:12
kanzurethe first comment on this page illustrates where the common php programmer is coming from:22:16
kanzurehttp://www.dasgenie.com/scrap/archives/000009.html22:16
kanzure"Perl? CGI? Older, slower, perl needs to be compiled even."22:16
kanzureguh22:16
fennnot sure why you say php and python are similar22:16
fennthey're both interpreted and begin with the letter P?22:16
fennwaaaa i can read messages but not send them22:16
kanzurein comparison to other interpreted languages like lisp, i think python and php are similar22:17
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fennwhy is the internet broken22:17
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QuantumGcause you touch yourself at night22:18
kanzureat night?22:19
fenni touch myself al th etime22:19
nshonce i wasn't touching myself at all for an instant22:19
nshgood acid22:19
kanzuremaybe this is better22:21
kanzurehttp://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/06/why-php-sucks.html22:21
kanzurehttp://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/06/why-php-sucks.html22:21
kanzureer, which links to http://blog.ianbicking.org/php-ghetto.html22:21
kanzurehaha i remember the register globals change in 4.222:23
kanzurehahah "Moreover, I trust that the many PHP engine developers - many of which hold degrees in comp sci and know of The Big O and data structures,"22:27
kanzurethis is pathetic.22:27
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QuantumGI've been writing code to handle php in our engine lately.. which means reading the Zend interpreter to see wtf the real semantics of the language are.22:32
QuantumGit's all so blatantly obvious that classes were a tacked on afterthought22:32
kanzurephp programmers would kill you at the stake for saying that22:36
kanzurei suppose everyone has their favorite languages22:36
kanzurebut for some reason i see this more prominently pronounced in php22:36
kanzure"I think the Broken Windows theory applies here. PHP is such a load of crap, right down to the standard library, that it creates a culture where it's acceptable to write horrible code. "22:37
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kanzure"It's like a shoot-first-ask-questions-later policing policy -- sure some apps get messed up, but maybe you catch a few attacks in the process. It's what happened when the language designers gave up. "22:37
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QuantumGyes, some say it is impossible to write secure code in php and that's mostly accurate22:38
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kanzurehttp://www.htmlist.com/development/you-suck-at-programming-and-i-hate-you-things-never-to-do-in-php-sql/22:44
kanzureespecially the section "Using Switch Cases to Implement Your Entire Website in One File22:44
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QuantumGit's interesting that the push for high school graduates to go to college rather than go into manufacturing jobs - because of the lack of manufacturing jobs - may actually be the reason there's a lack of manufacturing jobs.23:17
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jrayhawkI don't think a lack of available workforce is a limiting factor at this point.23:40
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