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| fenn | for people who just don't get it: http://principialabs.com/why-i-use-linux/ | 00:10 |
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| fenn | hah piratepad.net | 00:53 |
| fenn | i dont understand #2 of http://pantonprinciples.org/ | 00:58 |
| fenn | i'd expect open science data to be attribution/share-alike | 00:59 |
| fenn | but they only recommend CC0? | 00:59 |
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| fenn | guh. i hate editing other peoples' crap writing | 01:29 |
| fenn | when i get done, it's still mostly crap | 01:30 |
| fenn | damn you theodore sturgeon! | 01:30 |
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| kanzure | panton principles seems to be sponsored by john wilbanks, head of 'science commons' | 05:42 |
| kanzure | fenn: thanks for http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/call_for_volunteers | 05:46 |
| kanzure | let's hope jacob uses it | 05:47 |
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| Utopiah | A Turing Machine - Overview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3keLeMwfHY | 05:50 |
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| Utopiah | <3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYw2ewoO6c4 | 06:03 |
| kanzure | suresh quote: "In my days as an investment broker I`ve personally sold millions of dollars worth of structured product of this sort." | 06:31 |
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| kanzure | haha it should not be so surprising to me that rms wants it to be called GLAMP | 07:12 |
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| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoc_(programming_language) is what nrn uses for its config/scripting files | 07:26 |
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| kanzure | "SNP Dr. from DNA Electronics (London, UK): SNP Dr. hand-held lab-on-a-chip device for point-of-care SNP sequencing in 15-30 minutes to evaluate patient drug response. News article: "DNA Electronics has a hand held Genetic Testing Device - Interview with CEO"" | 08:07 |
| kanzure | neato | 08:07 |
| kanzure | http://www.portablegenomics.com/ "smartphone genome browser" | 08:08 |
| thesnark | but can I ask you what function that gives me? What can I get from browsing my genome? | 08:09 |
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| kanzure | thesnark: most people want those deets so that they can pursue preventive/predictive medicine | 08:10 |
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| thesnark | hm, cool | 08:16 |
| kanzure | if the world was cooler than it is, then i would also add "so they know how to put you back together again when some virus nukes your genome" | 08:18 |
| kanzure | sadly the world just isn't cool enough | 08:18 |
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| kanzure | fenn: melanie is in your area. could you stalk her down please? | 08:25 |
| kanzure | http://dnanexus.com/ | 08:31 |
| kanzure | fenn: dnanexus.com is also in your area, so consider stalking them as well | 08:32 |
| kanzure | it's too bad halcyon is so secretive | 08:32 |
| kanzure | "the andregg brohters" as it were | 08:32 |
| kanzure | *brothers | 08:32 |
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| kanzure | http://www.datawrangling.com/mpi-cluster-with-python-and-amazon-ec2-part-2-of-3.html | 08:59 |
| kanzure | http://mpiblast.pbworks.com/AmazonEC2 for BLAST | 09:00 |
| kanzure | ec2-mpi-config.py and ec2-start_cluster.py might be worth finding | 09:00 |
| kanzure | weird, http://runblast.com/ redirects to http://snpedia.com/ | 09:00 |
| kanzure | "bashreduce" http://blog.last.fm/2009/04/06/mapreduce-bash-script | 09:21 |
| kanzure | http://futurememes.blogspot.com/2009/08/bio-design-automation-and-synbio-tools.html | 09:38 |
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| kanzure | shouldn't this just be a something -> svg translator instead of custom .png files? http://openwetware.org/wiki/Endy:Notebook/BioBrick_Open_Language_Specification | 09:45 |
| kanzure | http://openwetware.org/wiki/Endy:Notebook/BioBrick_Open_Language_Specification/Comments | 09:45 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/synbiodex | 09:46 |
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| kanzure | there are some relatively recent articles listed here: http://pinkarmy.org/media/ | 10:09 |
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| kanzure | i updated the diybio news list a bit: http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#Has_DIYbio_been_in_the_news.3F | 10:18 |
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| kanzure | a lot of comments here on diybio: http://scienceblogs.com/oscillator/2010/03/diybio_and_the_gentleman_scien.php | 10:41 |
| kanzure | long comments, at that | 10:41 |
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| kanzure | fenn: jacob wrote some responses, apparently http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/call_for_volunteers | 14:10 |
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| JayDugger | Hello, everyone. | 14:23 |
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| kanzure | so, i bought a laser cutter | 14:44 |
| kanzure | it's more like an engraver though | 14:44 |
| kanzure | 25W (it measures in at 28W though) | 14:45 |
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| JayDugger | What have you meade with it? | 14:48 |
| JayDugger | s/ meade/ made | 14:48 |
| kanzure | just bought it today, picking it up tomorrow | 14:55 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: ohh | 14:56 |
| kristianpaul | kanzure: wich one? | 14:56 |
| kristianpaul | link? | 14:56 |
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| kanzure | it's a universal-laser-systems brand engraver | 14:57 |
| kanzure | for some reason i neglected to write down the model number | 14:58 |
| kanzure | 10micron wavelength, 25W, not sure the positional accuracy or beam diameter | 14:58 |
| JayDugger | Have fun with it. | 15:05 |
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| genehacker | how much and what for? | 15:23 |
| genehacker | 25 watts? | 15:23 |
| genehacker | and an engraver? | 15:24 |
| fenn | can you "engrave" microfluidic circuits with a laser? | 15:26 |
| genehacker | errr... | 15:27 |
| genehacker | one of my fluidics papers said | 15:27 |
| genehacker | insufficient surface quality | 15:29 |
| genehacker | for fluidics, which operate at high RE | 15:29 |
| ybit | RE? | 15:31 |
| ybit | should tell me in http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/10951/34490/01645733.pdf | 15:33 |
| ybit | _ electrode | 15:33 |
| fenn | you could do some kind of surface modification later, like spray a coating or flame polish | 15:38 |
| kanzure | fenn: yes i think so | 15:39 |
| fenn | or solvent polish | 15:39 |
| kanzure | definitely worth testing | 15:39 |
| kanzure | basic test is a fucking line (engraved) plus an inlet, maybe with holes for two screws | 15:41 |
| kanzure | plus a complementary piece of whatever material it is | 15:41 |
| kanzure | and some food coloring dyes | 15:41 |
| kanzure | i am disappointed that you have to press print on a computer (or issue the command) and then also press the "START" (yes the one with all caps) button on the machine itself | 15:42 |
| fenn | tape down the "START" button :P | 15:42 |
| fenn | basic test for laminar flow would need two inlets for different dyes | 15:43 |
| kanzure | why is this? | 15:43 |
| fenn | to see if they mix or not | 15:43 |
| kanzure | without a pump it's not only lamniar but also surface tension | 15:44 |
| kanzure | *laminar | 15:44 |
| kanzure | i guess i should mentally prep myself to use a pumping system anyway | 15:45 |
| QuantumG | If you want to intern for @mastenspace this summer you have one week to get your app in - April 4 deadline! http://bit.ly/bMRdxF | 15:46 |
| kanzure | i saw david masten on the extropy-chat mailing list once and had to do a double take | 15:47 |
| kanzure | turns out he's an extropian | 15:47 |
| fenn | "Thorium Energy Alliance Conference" this week in mountain view | 15:48 |
| kanzure | is this important? | 15:49 |
| kanzure | hey don't you hate conferences or something | 15:49 |
| QuantumG | what's an extropian? | 15:49 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: http://www.maxmore.com/extprn3.htm see the numbered list | 15:50 |
| kanzure | supertranshumanists on steroids | 15:50 |
| QuantumG | and if you wanna talk to someone about Thorium, talk to Kirk Sorenson | 15:50 |
| kanzure | except most of them don't actually do anything | 15:50 |
| kanzure | so i guess they aren't that super | 15:50 |
| kanzure | um, nevermind | 15:50 |
| QuantumG | heh | 15:51 |
| QuantumG | Masten and most the people he's hired are hardcore libertarians | 15:51 |
| kanzure | crud it's been 30+ days since i've been meaning to reply to isabelle hakala's email? | 15:52 |
| kanzure | man, when i forget to reply to an email, i really really forget | 15:52 |
| kanzure | i found another one today from 20 days ago from someone wanting to build an open source waterjet cutter with me | 15:52 |
| kanzure | "oops" | 15:52 |
| kanzure | william mook too.. blah | 15:53 |
| kanzure | for some reason february 15th to march 10th was some sort of social deadspot for me where i forgot to follow-up with anyone | 15:54 |
| QuantumG | I said to someone yesterday "hey, I'd love to discuss this further with you if you're interested" .. he replied to me with a telephone number. sigh, fucking old people. | 15:54 |
| fenn | don't get burned out | 15:54 |
| genehacker | RE= reynolds number | 15:55 |
| genehacker | solvent polish? | 15:55 |
| genehacker | interesting | 15:55 |
| genehacker | never thought of that | 15:55 |
| kanzure | well i think i am just counting the failures, the number of successes is way more and wasn't evident on the view i was looking at | 15:55 |
| fenn | are you keeping score? :) | 15:55 |
| genehacker | oh and kanzure the the ion beam lithography machines here supposedly take some non-proprietary fileformat like .dxf too... | 15:56 |
| fenn | dxf isn't really "non-proprietary" | 15:56 |
| genehacker | if it's low RE the dyes won't mix | 15:56 |
| kanzure | fenn: i am, surprisingly, not tracking my follow-ups-needed at the moment. wtf is up with that | 15:57 |
| genehacker | as there is no turbulence | 15:57 |
| genehacker | because there is no turbulence the process is isentropic and reversible | 15:58 |
| kanzure | you can add in some mixing chambers | 15:58 |
| * genehacker digs up a cool video showing this | 15:58 | |
| kanzure | right now i am primarily interested in flow | 15:58 |
| kanzure | fenn: did microsoft ever get a patent on the .doc format, or anyone else on a proprietary file format for that matter? | 15:59 |
| genehacker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhsmOc7Hb8Q | 15:59 |
| kanzure | oh, png | 15:59 |
| kanzure | nevermind | 15:59 |
| genehacker | fast forward to 3:00 | 16:00 |
| genehacker | for something neat | 16:00 |
| fenn | i wonder how the google streetview works on bike trails | 16:09 |
| kanzure | i don't think the google van does bike trains | 16:10 |
| kanzure | *trails | 16:10 |
| kanzure | cool les is giving me a key | 16:11 |
| fenn | but they have photos on the trail | 16:11 |
| kanzure | it's been only, what, 14mo? | 16:11 |
| genehacker | they have bikes them with a street view omnicam setup | 16:12 |
| fenn | http://tinyurl.com/y9pzzrp | 16:12 |
| kanzure | "warning: google is not responsible for any lions and/or cougars on bike trail" | 16:12 |
| kanzure | actually, if anyone can radio tag all of the wild animals in the u.s., it'd be google | 16:13 |
| fenn | well here's my answer http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article6702161.ece | 16:14 |
| genehacker | hahaha | 16:15 |
| genehacker | now that'd be neat | 16:15 |
| fenn | i'm going to make a helmet setup for recording omnidirectional images, but not with the spherical reflection thing | 16:16 |
| genehacker | will you do omnidirectional stereo imaging? | 16:17 |
| fenn | that trike looks awful heavy and clunky | 16:18 |
| genehacker | so you can put on some shutter glasses and see things in 3D | 16:18 |
| fenn | i dont think stereo would work very well with the limited resolution | 16:18 |
| fenn | and small spacing distance | 16:18 |
| fenn | you can do 3d in some directions based on the fact that you moved x meters | 16:19 |
| genehacker | omnidirection stereo uses mirror balls from what I know | 16:19 |
| genehacker | if you took lots of pictures and had lots of computational power you could build up a 3d point cloud then do that for 3d | 16:20 |
| fenn | jeezus.. this from a country that has the most security cameras per capita: "Villagers in Broughton, Buckinghamshire, even formed a human chain to stop the Street View car entering its quiet roads, forcing the driver to make an abrupt U-turn, leaving the village off the mapping service." | 16:22 |
| genehacker | well I guess they have so many cameras they don't need it | 16:24 |
| fenn | UK military using designs from US video games: http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article7078725.ece | 16:24 |
| fenn | actually i dont really see what the link to video games is | 16:24 |
| genehacker | see what your friends see after you've been killed, but before that | 16:26 |
| fenn | hopefully realtime streaming video doesn't get restricted under ITAR | 16:26 |
| genehacker | hopefully opencv doesn't fall under ITAR | 16:27 |
| kanzure | is the military using big dog from boston dynamics yet? | 16:28 |
| kanzure | *bigdog | 16:28 |
| genehacker | http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2007/09/06/samsung-files-patent.html | 16:29 |
| genehacker | uses heuristics of human movement | 16:29 |
| genehacker | oh wait that's right opencv sucks | 16:29 |
| genehacker | how could I forget | 16:29 |
| genehacker | so kanzure that microfluidics stuff you're trying to do relies on marangoni convection? | 16:30 |
| fenn | why does opencv suck? | 16:30 |
| kanzure | no, this is not marangoni convection | 16:31 |
| kanzure | marangoni is where you use either applied force on a surface or use heat on a surface to make fluids move | 16:31 |
| genehacker | I don't know, apparently according to the software people on the IGVC team it's code is not optimized so it's not fast or something | 16:31 |
| kanzure | academics sfucking suck at programming | 16:32 |
| kanzure | no exceptions, ever | 16:32 |
| genehacker | we're not even academics | 16:32 |
| kanzure | you're students. | 16:32 |
| genehacker | ok | 16:33 |
| kanzure | have you read their source code? | 16:33 |
| fenn | i figure igvc would have plenty of processing power available | 16:33 |
| genehacker | I haven't | 16:33 |
| genehacker | I'm on the mechanical team | 16:34 |
| kanzure | you probably have svn access to the source | 16:34 |
| kanzure | i think it's on igvc.ras.ece.utexas.edu | 16:35 |
| kanzure | .. maybe. | 16:35 |
| genehacker | I suck at programming, so what's an svn again? | 16:36 |
| genehacker | code repository? | 16:36 |
| kanzure | svn is short for "subversion", a centralized revision control system | 16:36 |
| kanzure | programmers download the svn repository with svn tools, make their changes to the code until it does what they want | 16:37 |
| kanzure | then they have svn send it back to the original server | 16:37 |
| kanzure | and then everyone else can play with the changes, and revert things if that guy screwed it all up | 16:37 |
| genehacker | that's what I figured | 16:37 |
| kanzure | RAS uses svn everywhere | 16:37 |
| fenn | this is fun.. remote control reprap cam http://shop.metrixcreatespace.com:8821/ | 16:38 |
| genehacker | it's not really remote control | 16:38 |
| genehacker | so it's more like just reprap cam | 16:38 |
| fenn | i can control it from here | 16:38 |
| genehacker | you can? | 16:38 |
| fenn | pan and tilt | 16:38 |
| fenn | it actually has decent response too, unlike most webcams | 16:39 |
| kanzure | how are they solving race conditions? | 16:39 |
| genehacker | oh neat | 16:39 |
| kanzure | i.e. two people trying to tilt in the wrong ways | 16:39 |
| genehacker | that's amazing response time | 16:40 |
| fenn | "That's because we have fast tubes (50mbps/10mpbs). We have a managed Cisco switch rather than a linksys hub. Our WiFi gear is from our 'other store', which primarily sells WiFi gear to people building WiFi businesses. We give you a publicly routeable IPV6 address." | 16:40 |
| fenn | kanzure: you get a 30 second guaranteed lock | 16:41 |
| kanzure | heh | 16:41 |
| genehacker | so telerobots don't suck now | 16:41 |
| kanzure | i can't remember where i played with someone's house robot before | 16:42 |
| kanzure | but it was a telerobo | 16:42 |
| genehacker | back in the day you'd have to wait seconds for a robot response | 16:42 |
| kanzure | thing in a java applet, you could make it bump into his walls for him! :P | 16:42 |
| genehacker | was it a kit robot he was selling? | 16:43 |
| kanzure | no | 16:43 |
| kanzure | just something custom he built | 16:43 |
| kanzure | i think a lot of people have done this | 16:43 |
| kanzure | but it's nice to have a shop-cam exposed over the web, that's kinda new in comparison | 16:43 |
| genehacker | well a lot of people, but not the average joe | 16:43 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: is genehacker talking about you? | 16:44 |
| genehacker | well now the thing to do now that laptop cams are ubiquitous is have a telerobot people can be at a hackerspace | 16:44 |
| genehacker | I don't think so | 16:44 |
| genehacker | it's just something I found on a list of webtoys | 16:44 |
| genehacker | now I wonder if the response time is good enough for a manipulator setup | 16:46 |
| genehacker | after all, surgeons are able to do operations over the web(no priority bandwidth, from a couple miles away though...) | 16:47 |
| kanzure | pwm over the internet!!!11one it's the next best thing in CAM tech! cloud machining | 16:47 |
| kanzure | hahaha sadly people are probably pouring money into it :( | 16:47 |
| fenn | i think they are using http://www.fastpath.it/products/palantir/ | 16:47 |
| genehacker | cloud machining would be cool | 16:47 |
| kanzure | no it wouldn't | 16:48 |
| genehacker | but first you need to put mills in everyones house | 16:48 |
| kanzure | wtf is wrong with you | 16:48 |
| kanzure | that's not cloud | 16:48 |
| genehacker | oh then I'm confused about the cloud | 16:48 |
| kanzure | it's this thing that only companies can own and that you don't. | 16:48 |
| fenn | what is the point of telerobotic surgery from a couple miles away | 16:48 |
| fenn | you can just drive to the operating room instead | 16:48 |
| genehacker | I guess that would be something like a big lights out machining center | 16:48 |
| genehacker | so the doctor can do a surgery in his beach luxury home without driving | 16:49 |
| kanzure | i was about to ask bill today if he has ever tried nrn on ec2 | 16:49 |
| kanzure | and then i realized he's buying a 240-node supercomputer | 16:50 |
| kanzure | i don't want to stop that :)( | 16:50 |
| genehacker | did you hear they're upgrading the RANGER here? | 16:50 |
| kanzure | what are the upgrades? | 16:50 |
| genehacker | they're going to cool it with fluorinert | 16:50 |
| kanzure | hm | 16:50 |
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| fenn | hum the camera they're using is only $57 | 16:54 |
| kanzure | too expensive for your tastes? | 16:55 |
| fenn | not at all | 16:55 |
| fenn | it'd be hard to build one for less | 16:56 |
| kanzure | does cupsd work with a network? | 16:56 |
| kanzure | i want to get the laser on wifi | 16:57 |
| fenn | yes, cupsd supports print servers | 16:57 |
| fenn | i've been traumatized by cups repeatedly though | 16:57 |
| genehacker | hmmm you can get ~50 Mbps upload/download WiMAX in europe and korea | 17:00 |
| fenn | and in austin | 17:00 |
| fenn | but not in much of silicon valley, oddly | 17:00 |
| genehacker | really? | 17:02 |
| genehacker | with that clear stuff? | 17:02 |
| fenn | hmm they charge $0.50/min for makerbot usage | 17:02 |
| fenn | that seems like a lot to me | 17:02 |
| kanzure | martin wants to charge $10/hour for laser cutter usage | 17:22 |
| kanzure | oh per minute? | 17:22 |
| fenn | how did he come up with that number? | 17:23 |
| kanzure | everyone else in austin charges $75/hour to $100/hour | 17:24 |
| kanzure | les suggested that martin goes $25/hour | 17:24 |
| kanzure | (martin is buying his own laser cutter apparently?) | 17:25 |
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| CIA-55 | skdb: kanzure * r c44663d /clients/thingiverse.py: various methods to parse pages from thingiverse | 17:37 |
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| kanzure | wow that guy who wants to do an oshw waterjet spent $100k on his | 17:44 |
| kanzure | (and the laser cutter i bought today was $25k new in 1990) | 17:46 |
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| fenn | this sounds really great at first and quickly turns sour http://mbed.org/tour/ | 18:02 |
| fenn | waterjets are typically about $100k | 18:03 |
| kanzure | yes but.. why | 18:07 |
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| kanzure | maybe it's $1 per psi? | 18:15 |
| kanzure | :P | 18:15 |
| fenn | pretty much | 18:23 |
| kanzure | "adverse drug reactions (ADRs) account for an alarming 7% of all hospital admissions and are ranked as the 5th leading cause of death in the USA with costs exceeding $100 billion annually in the USA." | 18:25 |
| kanzure | 7% is pretty high | 18:26 |
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| fenn | weird, ubuntu is going with my light gray on dark gray color scheme | 18:34 |
| fenn | as default | 18:34 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/images/diybio_promo.png | 18:40 |
| kanzure | i wish that was a robotic hand | 18:40 |
| fenn | where did that come from? | 18:42 |
| kanzure | presentation crumbs randomly spread out over the web by jason bobe | 18:42 |
| fenn | i mean who drew it | 18:43 |
| fenn | answer: http://diybio.org/2009/12/11/diybio-graphics/ | 18:43 |
| kanzure | it was found in file:bobe_presentation.pdf (2010-03-11) | 18:44 |
| kanzure | notes they gave the designers: http://etherpad.com/DoP7WIcYPm | 18:45 |
| kanzure | i wonder how much that cost | 18:45 |
| kanzure | because that's pretty good :) | 18:45 |
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| fenn | yeah | 18:46 |
| kanzure | cool link in that etherpad.com page: http://www.droplet-microscopy.org/ | 18:46 |
| kanzure | haha "== actual hardware ==" quick someone contact dave rauchwerk for trademark infringement! | 18:47 |
| fenn | is it just me or is everyone using etherpad all of a sudden? | 18:47 |
| kanzure | or something | 18:47 |
| kanzure | it's just you, it's been gaining popularity over the past 6mo or so | 18:47 |
| kanzure | piratepad, etherpad, etc. | 18:47 |
| fenn | well it was released open source in january or so.. i've just seen a lot of it the last 4 days or so | 18:49 |
| kanzure | where else have you seen it except panton principles, or something | 18:49 |
| fenn | mmm rainbow poke-vomit: http://polytroncorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/goodgames.png | 18:50 |
| kanzure | oh and other than ben goertzel / pathetic-attempt-to-get-google-to-reconsider-opencog-for-gsoc2010 | 18:50 |
| fenn | i attended a workshop on google app engine where we made extensive use of it | 18:51 |
| kanzure | woah where the fuck did this come from | 18:51 |
| kanzure | http://invivia.wordpress.com/2009/07/19/cnc-plotter-a-platform-for-diy-biorapid-prototypingsculpture-image-experiments/ | 18:51 |
| fenn | http://etherpad.com/appengineworkshop | 18:51 |
| QuantumG | heh, why was google hating on opencog? do they recognize a dead project when they see one? | 18:52 |
| kanzure | i don't know why they accepted opencog in the first place | 18:52 |
| fenn | crayons? | 18:53 |
| kanzure | "# holding a brush, probably at an angle, dipping it in paint" | 18:54 |
| kanzure | heh two laptops piled up in one of the photos | 18:54 |
| kanzure | hm even extrusion | 18:55 |
| kanzure | http://www.invivia.com/v3/ | 18:57 |
| kanzure | some consultant | 18:57 |
| kanzure | peter mabardi <glovescout@aol.com> phone: 617-497-9900 | 18:58 |
| kanzure | er, not sure about the aol address though | 18:58 |
| fenn | http://crittercrunch.com/markezpumpkin.JPG | 18:59 |
| kanzure | oops, he's extension 110 and peter_mabardi@invivia.com | 18:59 |
| kanzure | looks like they actually have employees? | 18:59 |
| kanzure | wtf is up with that pumpkin | 19:00 |
| fenn | one is barfing into the other | 19:01 |
| kanzure | http://www.seedinglabs.org/ "Seeding Labs supports scientific research in developing countries by providing affordable reclaimed laboratory equipment and facilitating connections within the global scientific research community." | 19:02 |
| kanzure | am i a developing country? :/ | 19:02 |
| kanzure | found that via http://outlawbiology.net/symposium-notes-from-diybio-org/ | 19:02 |
| kanzure | hey wtf a link to etherpad | 19:03 |
| kanzure | fine, you win, fenn. | 19:03 |
| kanzure | matt mccabe wants to give a talk about the austin hackerspace at defcon18 | 19:15 |
| kanzure | i simply don't get it | 19:15 |
| kanzure | why is martin's austin hackerspace so important that defcon should accept a talk on it | 19:15 |
| kanzure | what about the other hackerspaces? | 19:15 |
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| kanzure | woahzo the $100k waterjet guy says: "I have about a 10k sq ft workspace", and it runs on debian :) | 19:18 |
| kanzure | so why did i let this guy slide for almost a month | 19:18 |
| kanzure | i wonder where he is | 19:18 |
| kanzure | updated: http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#Has_DIYbio_been_in_the_news.3F | 19:32 |
| fenn | "On Saturday the Federal Communications Commission the Orange County Sheriff's department raided a pirate radio station called "Street Heat" that ran ads for gangs and provided information on where to get drugs and prostitutes. " | 19:36 |
| fenn | ~[6~[6~[6~[6~ | 19:36 |
| fenn | does the waterjet use EMC? | 19:37 |
| fenn | does he have a webpage? why the fuck not (if not) | 19:37 |
| fenn | http://aturingmachine.com/hardware.php | 19:40 |
| fenn | it's a ... turing machine | 19:40 |
| fenn | actually drawing out the 1's and 0's is a bit much though | 19:40 |
| kanzure | andy (the waterjet guy) randomly emailed me first, so i only have an email address that doesn't lead anywhere | 19:47 |
| fenn | "Ever since the full text of the secret Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) leaked earlier this week, scholars and activists have been poring over the document, finding the buried bodies. Today, Michael Geist discusses the way that ACTA makes the UN copyright agency, WIPO, irrelevant, replacing it with a private members' club composed of rich countries that get to dictate information policy to poor countries." | 19:50 |
| kanzure | neat the german wikipedia article on diybio is more developed http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIYbio | 19:53 |
| fenn | looks about the same to me | 19:54 |
| kanzure | more references | 19:55 |
| fenn | isnt there a markup protocol for crosslinking translated sentences between documents? so if one sentence changes it gets flagged in the other doc | 19:55 |
| kanzure | i just updated this: http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#Has_DIYbio_been_in_the_news.3F | 19:55 |
| kanzure | google translate has some nifty javascript for hover-over translations on chunks of a page | 19:56 |
| kanzure | but no | 19:56 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: you might know something? | 19:56 |
| fenn | there is something like this for .po files (GNU gettext strings for programs) but not general wiki/web page stuff afaik | 19:57 |
| kanzure | are .po files where translations (for internationalization) come from? | 19:58 |
| fenn | ya | 20:00 |
| fenn | there is even some support for auto-translating strings that haven't been looked at by a human translator yet | 20:00 |
| kanzure | this sounds like a potential completely comedic disaster waiting to happen | 20:01 |
| fenn | hail eris! | 20:01 |
| fenn | i mean, um, do you think anything would happen if i were to carry several enrcrypted hard drives on an international flight | 20:02 |
| * fenn mumbles something about OCR'ing secret government treaties | 20:03 | |
| kanzure | no, but why would you do that? internetz? | 20:03 |
| fenn | *shrug* | 20:03 |
| fenn | sneakernetz is faster | 20:04 |
| fenn | and cheaper | 20:04 |
| kanzure | is there a mail-order upload service yet? | 20:06 |
| kanzure | !paper Cell culture in 3-Dimensional microfluidic structure of PDMS | 20:06 |
| kanzure | wah | 20:06 |
| kanzure | i've been holding off writing a long-overdue long email to mr. anonymous | 20:10 |
| kanzure | how do i artificially motivate myself to do this | 20:11 |
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| fenn | i dont know why you want to write an email or what motivates you | 20:13 |
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| kanzure | i am supposed to be writing weekly update emails | 20:15 |
| kanzure | that's what that super-long 2010-01-12 email was all about. | 20:15 |
| kanzure | the motivation is mountains and mountains of funding | 20:16 |
| kanzure | oh maybe i should work on the presentation for http://texaslinuxfest.org/ instead | 20:17 |
| kanzure | "To launch and recover a rocket powered by sugar-propellant to an altitude of 33 km, thereby achieving 1/3 the altitude goal of the Sugar Shot to Space program." | 20:18 |
| kanzure | ^ from http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddx6cw25_8fjzhxggc | 20:18 |
| fenn | i can write updates if it matters | 20:34 |
| fenn | for stuff i do, i mean. i dont know wtf you are doing :P | 20:34 |
| kanzure | that would be cool and helpful, yes | 20:35 |
| kanzure | what /am/ i doing | 20:36 |
| fenn | that's why i started keeping track.. i didnt know | 20:36 |
| kanzure | more in the sense of "what are you doing 'with your life'" (which i know, but nobody ever really knows if it's working) | 20:38 |
| fenn | yeah, that's that i mean | 20:38 |
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| sebastien_b | Evening all. | 20:44 |
| kanzure | sebastien_b: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/thingiverse/thingiverse_packages/ | 20:44 |
| * sebastien_b clicks the link. | 20:45 | |
| sebastien_b | did you just crawl thingiverse? | 20:45 |
| sebastien_b | :D | 20:46 |
| kanzure | no | 20:46 |
| sebastien_b | kanzure, this looks cool. What is it? | 20:47 |
| kanzure | it's an attempt at converting thingiverse.com's collection into skdb stub/skeleton packages | 20:48 |
| sebastien_b | Interesting. | 20:48 |
| kanzure | there's only a few repraps in the austin area, but i've been meaning to demonstrate | 20:49 |
| kanzure | er, to demo something like "skdb-get cathal-microlathe-project-thingy --build" (or whatever) | 20:49 |
| kanzure | and then have the reprap start up | 20:49 |
| kanzure | (or for the marketing people, "an app store") | 20:50 |
| * sebastien_b doesn't _do_ marketing. :) | 20:50 | |
| kanzure | yes you do | 20:50 |
| sebastien_b | kanzure, I guess so. | 20:51 |
| sebastien_b | I think of it as trying to maximize people's ability to participate with RepRap.org. | 20:52 |
| sebastien_b | But I've never sold anything. | 20:52 |
| sebastien_b | I don't think I'll have any stuff to sell at Bay Area Maker Faire. | 20:52 |
| sebastien_b | Hey, how's the 80-20 thingy going? | 20:53 |
| * sebastien_b needs to go afk right _now_. | 20:53 | |
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| kanzure | i have some goons working for me pursuing the paperwork | 20:53 |
| * kanzure sends them an email | 20:54 | |
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| sebastien_b | kanzure, cool. | 21:03 |
| sebastien_b | You know about bothacker's new RepStrap? | 21:04 |
| kanzure | no, but you linked me to it a few days ago and i completely spaced on it :( | 21:05 |
| kanzure | it's 8020-based, right? | 21:05 |
| sebastien_b | Yes. He's going to be doing it up in the RepRap wiki. And he's planning on selling kits at MakerFaire. | 21:06 |
| sebastien_b | http://bothacker.com/2010/02/28/t-rep-2-preview/ | 21:06 |
| fenn | mmm t-rep *drool* | 21:25 |
| fenn | are those plate cutouts w/rounded corners a standard t-slot thing? | 21:26 |
| sebastien_b | Nope, waterjet cutter stuff. Just send the dxf file to you local waterjet shop ... | 21:26 |
| fenn | poo | 21:27 |
| sebastien_b | Or maybe your buddy with the laser cutter. | 21:27 |
| fenn | or maybe buy a makerbot | 21:27 |
| fenn | oh well i can drill 4 holes without needing a laser cutter | 21:28 |
| sebastien_b | :) | 21:28 |
| * sebastien_b didn't realize people could work sheet plastic without laser cutters or waterjet cutters. :p | 21:29 | |
| fenn | o_O | 21:29 |
| * sebastien_b will learn how to use a tablesaw this summer or fall. | 21:30 | |
| fenn | tablesaws are overrated | 21:30 |
| fenn | it's like duct tape or dremel tool | 21:30 |
| sebastien_b | Maybe a radial arm saw then. | 21:30 |
| fenn | yeah, better chance of keeping fingers that way | 21:30 |
| sebastien_b | fenn, I don't have a good way to make square cuts in sheets of wood. | 21:30 |
| fenn | why do you need large square pieces of wood? | 21:31 |
| sebastien_b | Because I want to make crates and boxes. | 21:31 |
| fenn | if under 14" or so you should use a miter chop saw | 21:31 |
| sebastien_b | And then put some gears in them, and call them repstaraps. | 21:31 |
| fenn | gears.. | 21:32 |
| fenn | i'm not successfully visualizing this | 21:32 |
| sebastien_b | fenn, visualize a mendel. | 21:33 |
| sebastien_b | Now, cut pegboard and make a box around the mendel. | 21:33 |
| sebastien_b | Let some of the rods poke through, and bolt them to the box. | 21:33 |
| sebastien_b | Now, remove most of the plastic parts of mendel. | 21:34 |
| fenn | http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/dms/meccano/dale/gearbox/box2.jpg | 21:34 |
| * sebastien_b recognizes that picture. | 21:34 | |
| sebastien_b | Yes, you can use angle as well. | 21:35 |
| sebastien_b | But _decent_ angle is a bit difficult to source. Contraptor chooses to drill the angle manually, I'd prefer to have a machine do it. | 21:36 |
| fenn | they're experimenting with using a shopbot to drill | 21:36 |
| sebastien_b | And, before that, I'm going to make boxes out of pegboard. | 21:36 |
| sebastien_b | fenn, I heard about that. | 21:36 |
| sebastien_b | Slightly different approach. I spend too much time talking about it, and too little time making it. | 21:38 |
| * sebastien_b is back in 600 s. | 21:40 | |
| * sebastien_b pokes kanzure and fenn. | 21:57 | |
| jrayhawk | KYDEX is neat stuff :) | 21:58 |
| sebastien_b | the local ottawa robotics club loves that stuff. | 21:58 |
| jrayhawk | I just made me a holster. Very easy to work with. | 21:59 |
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| sebastien_b | kanzure, fenn, let's talk another time about git, gitorious, reprap, and skdb. | 23:02 |
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| fenn | kydex eh? i should get some to play with | 23:32 |
| fenn | i wonder if it makes sense to do a composite kydex/ABS part | 23:34 |
| fenn | is there a generic version that's cheaper? | 23:35 |
| kanzure | i wonder if i'll be able to get cheap 8020 as a distributor | 23:38 |
| * kanzure is done with his ridiculously long update email | 23:38 | |
| fenn | "panera bagels" is an oxymoron | 23:55 |
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