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| kanzure | fenn: i consumed oxymorons? | 00:08 |
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| fenn | who is 23b and why do they have so many guns and hot chicks? | 00:22 |
| fenn | also "arclight" sounds real familiar | 00:23 |
| kanzure | john arclight, he runs "arclight" (the hackerspace thingy) | 00:24 |
| kanzure | it might be because of 'arcattack' which is unrelated | 00:24 |
| fenn | no, i think he was in here at some point | 00:24 |
| kanzure | hm | 00:24 |
| kanzure | also, bill gates is definitely like a character out of an ayn rand book | 00:25 |
| kanzure | eric hit that nail on the head | 00:25 |
| fenn | i never read any ayn rand | 00:25 |
| kanzure | http://galtse.cx/ | 00:25 |
| fenn | i plan to keep i that way, thanks | 00:26 |
| kanzure | damn you jrayhawk! | 00:26 |
| fenn | hm we have some new lurkers | 00:28 |
| fenn | anelma, clemux, hoboasa, quantumkat, thebwt: where did you come from? | 00:28 |
| nsh | i found them under a bus-shelter, drinking moonshine, and brought them in for some soup | 00:30 |
| fenn | you damn bums, next time bring your own soup | 00:30 |
| quantumkat | fenn: I met kanzure online, and he told me to come. And then I stayed. d: | 00:32 |
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| quantumkat | (Stayed for the soup, I mean.) | 00:34 |
| fenn | so, uh, what's up? | 00:36 |
| * fenn pokes at the floor with his toe | 00:36 | |
| fenn | god i can't interact with humans | 00:37 |
| fenn | request initiation of data dump | 00:37 |
| quantumkat | Hah, well, it's not an easy task. | 00:38 |
| quantumkat | REQUEST DENIED. | 00:38 |
| quantumkat | Are you root? | 00:38 |
| fenn | sudo make me some soup, bitch | 00:38 |
| fenn | (that was "like bash" btw) | 00:38 |
| quantumkat | Okay. | 00:38 |
| fenn | www.staringispolite.com/likepython/ | 00:41 |
| quantumkat | Ooh, yeah. I've seen like python before, but I didn't automatically make the connection. | 00:42 |
| quantumkat | Nice. | 00:42 |
| fenn | thanks for the tact assist, kanzure | 00:42 |
| * fenn wonders how to conjugate "tact" | 00:43 | |
| fenn | decline? is that a verb? | 00:43 |
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| fenn | declense? | 00:44 |
| quantumkat | I was about to say, you can't conjugate tact. | 00:44 |
| quantumkat | So auto win. | 00:44 |
| fenn | what is the process of making an adjective out of a noun called? | 00:44 |
| quantumkat | Don't know off the top of my head. | 00:45 |
| quantumkat | tactful is an adj, though | 00:45 |
| fenn | tactful isn't what i meant though | 00:46 |
| quantumkat | tact-related? d: | 00:46 |
| fenn | 192 pages in category "Linguistics" | 00:47 |
| fenn | sorry, 485 | 00:47 |
| quantumkat | Read them all. | 00:48 |
| Utopiah | so quantumkat, what are you interested in? working on any specific project related to this chan? | 00:48 |
| fenn | see, that was a tactful assist | 00:48 |
| fenn | what kanzure did was assist me with matters of tact | 00:49 |
| fenn | "Speechome is different from common biological -omes such as genome, proteome, and expressome in that it is not biological." I beg to differ! | 00:50 |
| fenn | until someone can show me a talking computer | 00:51 |
| quantumkat | I'm not working on any projects, I'm just following things that Bryan is doing. I'm interested in neuroscience, hardware, physics, AI, math, programming, etc. I'm trying to go to school for neuroscience. However, I'm not significantly knowledgeable about any of those subjects, yet. | 00:51 |
| fenn | i was thinking the other day it would be neat to have something running constantly that just tried to imitate sounds coming in through the microphone | 00:52 |
| fenn | based on puredata or some lightweight realtime system, and genetic algorithm or evolved neural net or something | 00:52 |
| fenn | quantumkat: did you base your nick on any of the current members of this channel? | 00:53 |
| fenn | 'cause you know, now i can't say "kat" or "quantum" unambiguously | 00:53 |
| fenn | i guess it makes more sense than either of their names though | 00:54 |
| quantumkat | I didn't. I've had variations of this handle for a while. It is kind of funny that it's a combination of two other people in here. d: | 00:54 |
| quantumkat | Yeah, I think that means my name is superior, technically speaking. | 00:55 |
| fenn | quantumkat is <blink>not</blink> afk | 00:55 |
| quantumkat | Oh, what? Sorry, I was afk. | 00:58 |
| fenn | i wasnt observing | 00:58 |
| quantumkat | I was just kidding. | 00:59 |
| fenn | somehow i doubt i'm going to be on an 8 am train for the start of the thorium conference tomorrow | 00:59 |
| fenn | do robots need train tickets? | 01:00 |
| fenn | would i get arrested for trying to blow up caltrain if i sent a telerobot on it? | 01:00 |
| nsh | thorium conference? | 01:00 |
| quantumkat | Depending on how well it was programmed, maybe you could convince them to arrest the robot. | 01:01 |
| nsh | at Mountainview? | 01:01 |
| fenn | nsh: http://www.thoriumenergyalliance.com/ThoriumSite/Spring2010Conf.htm | 01:01 |
| fenn | ideally nobody would get arrested | 01:02 |
| fenn | the robot was just doing its job | 01:02 |
| fenn | though apparently caltrain conductors can't be trusted to do the sensible thing | 01:02 |
| fenn | this is all hypothetical anyway.. i dont have a telerobot | 01:03 |
| * fenn looks around the room accusingly | 01:03 | |
| nsh | i'm not sure i could maintain interest in thorium reactors for a whole two-day conference | 01:03 |
| fenn | me either | 01:03 |
| nsh | unless there was porn interspersed in the slides | 01:03 |
| fenn | i want to see sorensen's talk though | 01:03 |
| nsh | aye, it'll go online, but i love to ask questions | 01:03 |
| fenn | it's sort of sad that NOBODY knows much about this technology | 01:04 |
| nsh | i wonder if we'll get a livecasted conference talks with internet-voted questions anytime soon | 01:04 |
| fenn | voted? | 01:04 |
| nsh | well | 01:04 |
| nsh | moderated | 01:04 |
| nsh | otherwise it'd be a mess | 01:04 |
| fenn | who moderates? | 01:04 |
| nsh | me and my business associates from the coca-cola corporation | 01:05 |
| fenn | slashdot model might work | 01:05 |
| * nsh nods | 01:05 | |
| fenn | do you think i could make a living off being a "mobile human-based observation platform" covered with webcams and microphones and wifi gear? | 01:06 |
| nsh | might work as long as you're constantly somewhere interesting | 01:06 |
| nsh | if you had some kind of personal teleportation device... | 01:07 |
| quantumkat | That reminds me of Snow Crash. | 01:07 |
| fenn | see that's sort of the point | 01:07 |
| fenn | i get to always be somewhere interesting | 01:07 |
| nsh | good gig | 01:07 |
| fenn | though realistically it'll be lame business conferences i think | 01:07 |
| nsh | gonzo technologism | 01:07 |
| fenn | is that some kind of new fetish? | 01:07 |
| nsh | no doubt | 01:08 |
| fenn | 'An adult genre where the performers acknowledge the presence of the camera or there is the use of a "talking camera"' | 01:08 |
| fenn | yeah i'm thinking something sort of like "strange days" | 01:08 |
| fenn | but for people to bother watching it i'd have to be taking PCP constantly | 01:09 |
| nsh | you take lots of hallucinogenic drugs and attend conferences reporting into your comms exoskeleton | 01:09 |
| nsh | aye | 01:09 |
| fenn | or be a celebrity | 01:09 |
| fenn | i'm not sure if "that guy with all the cameras on his head" counts | 01:09 |
| fenn | maybe DHEA/testosterone supplements could work instead of PCP | 01:10 |
| nsh | you could concoct some kind of affect-masque algorithm that overlays your reporting with the mannerisms of various celebrities | 01:10 |
| fenn | kanzure: cook me up a novel behavior generating substance sometime in the next 6 months plz | 01:10 |
| nsh | kanzure, the techno-Ramirez | 01:11 |
| nsh | this looks good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Masque_of_the_Red_Death | 01:12 |
| fenn | are there any functional streaming video torrent protocols yet? (bitlet?) | 01:13 |
| nsh | not that i'm aware of | 01:13 |
| nsh | having to get the bits in the right order mitigates a lot of the advantages of the torrent protocol | 01:14 |
| fenn | having a progressive delay the further from the source you are would fix that | 01:15 |
| nsh | hmm | 01:16 |
| fenn | tier 1 leeches get instant response, tier 2 delay by 5 seconds, tier 3 20 seconds, etc | 01:16 |
| nsh | interesting | 01:16 |
| fenn | tiers determined by available bandwidth | 01:16 |
| fenn | wrt source | 01:16 |
| * nsh nods | 01:16 | |
| nsh | hmm | 01:16 |
| fenn | there's gotta be some academic paper on this already | 01:16 |
| nsh | i wonder if | 01:17 |
| nsh | could you come up with a kind of bifurcating token-ring protocol that runs over IP | 01:17 |
| Utopiah | fenn: functional yes, used, not that I know of, EZTV did that for a while but it seems it didn't catch up, http://trial.p2p-next.org/ neither | 01:18 |
| * fenn mumbles something about an iphone app | 01:18 | |
| fenn | this really needs wimax tho | 01:18 |
| nsh | so a machine gets some packets, decodes and does whatever with the content, then passes on to a router that splits into two streams, based on proximal waiting users | 01:18 |
| Utopiah | http://urfastr.net tried too | 01:19 |
| nsh | or | 01:20 |
| nsh | maybe the opposite of a multicast | 01:20 |
| fenn | multicast should work | 01:20 |
| nsh | an address that many can send packets to, which reassemble and are accessible as one stream | 01:21 |
| fenn | many to many multicast | 01:21 |
| nsh | ah | 01:21 |
| * fenn smells patent encroachment | 01:22 | |
| nsh | meh | 01:22 |
| * nsh builds the seastead of Stateless | 01:22 | |
| fenn | this seems like the sort of thing Lightman would be interested in | 01:23 |
| nsh | Alex? | 01:23 |
| fenn | i still cant tell if he's a con-artist or not though | 01:23 |
| nsh | mm | 01:23 |
| fenn | maybe it's just endemic to being a businessman | 01:23 |
| fenn | wrong word | 01:24 |
| fenn | i should start studying english with anki | 01:24 |
| nsh | "Lightman is the author of the first book on 4G wireless, 'Brave New Unwired World: The Digital Big Bang and the Infinite Internet'" | 01:25 |
| fenn | then i really wouldnt be able to communicate with anybody :( | 01:25 |
| nsh | sounds pretty kitch | 01:25 |
| nsh | communication is mostly a masturbatory illusion anyway | 01:25 |
| nsh | you're interacting with a caricature of someone else you created from insufficient information and that only exists in your mind | 01:26 |
| fenn | sometimes i make faces in a mirror | 01:26 |
| fenn | or talk to animals | 01:26 |
| nsh | i try every now and then, but need to work on it | 01:27 |
| fenn | i feel that choosing words that have shared meanings similar to my understanding of them is a good thing | 01:27 |
| nsh | i had an idea the other day for the creation of a highly equivocal conlang | 01:28 |
| nsh | the notion being that for most words there are multiple thesaurus-alternatives, each overlapping with a different (set of) concept(s) | 01:28 |
| nsh | so that you can make any sentence be arbitrarily undertoned | 01:28 |
| fenn | heh i submitted "principia discordia" to the public disclosure patent defense people, supposedly as a description of building an "automated ambiguity engine" | 01:28 |
| nsh | nice :) | 01:29 |
| fenn | should have saved the abstract text | 01:29 |
| nsh | it should be on record | 01:29 |
| fenn | those guys have no sense of humor | 01:29 |
| * nsh nods | 01:29 | |
| fenn | apparently not! | 01:29 |
| nsh | heh | 01:29 |
| fenn | the reason i was submitting it was to see where it would end up, but they denied it | 01:29 |
| clemux | fenn: I think I found the chan on kanzure's website when surfing on transhumanism-related websites | 01:29 |
| fenn | i wanted to see other disclosures | 01:30 |
| nsh | would be a nice idea for a webcomic: episodes based on rejected patent applications | 01:30 |
| fenn | and sent like 5 emails to them about it, still havent seen any (much waffling from them in response) | 01:30 |
| nsh | hmm | 01:30 |
| Utopiah | http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=5512 | 01:30 |
| fenn | "powered flight? that couldn't possibly work. denied!" | 01:30 |
| nsh | everyone knows birds are lighter than air | 01:31 |
| nsh | oh | 01:31 |
| fenn | "Free downloading is good for the musician. All artists do their best work when they are poor and hurting. For the sake of music hurt a musician today." | 01:32 |
| nsh | idea: make things more buoyant by increasing the weight of air | 01:32 |
| * fenn just watched a movie about ray charles, who wrote his best songs while addicted to heroin | 01:32 | |
| nsh | we need to come up with an incredibly heavy yet remarkably stable isotope of nitrogen | 01:32 |
| nsh | then we're laughing | 01:33 |
| quantumkat | That's like in Futurama- moving space around the space ship. (: | 01:33 |
| nsh | reminds me of the Someone Else's Problem field | 01:33 |
| nsh | and the fact that something else reminded me of it the other day, and annoyingly i can't remember what | 01:34 |
| nsh | was a nonfiction piece | 01:34 |
| * nsh ruminates on perceptual-attentive hacks | 01:36 | |
| quantumkat | Fenn: You need money to purchase heroin and not have to sell your piano. | 01:36 |
| fenn | alcubierre warp? | 01:36 |
| fenn | heim theory? | 01:37 |
| nsh | FACT: heroin addictions boosts the average person's business acumen by over 300% | 01:39 |
| fenn | FACT: dealing drugs increases your competency at salesmanship and business management | 01:40 |
| fenn | crap i have to do taxes this year | 01:40 |
| nsh | some of my most interesting economic contemplations have arisen from being a sometime purveyor of contraband | 01:41 |
| quantumkat | I actually know someone who was addicted to heroin in 10th grade, and she's a couple if semesters away from a business degree. | 01:41 |
| quantumkat | of* | 01:42 |
| * nsh considers taking to raising a triumphant fist and shouting ANECDOTE, GO! whenever he hears a story that corroborates his prejudices | 01:42 | |
| fenn | nsh: i support you in this endeavour | 01:43 |
| fenn | god i hate rounded corners... *sob* http://fennetic.net/portfolio/ | 01:45 |
| * fenn slits his wrists with a putty knife | 01:45 | |
| fenn | someone show me a pentagonal layout and i'll be impressed | 01:46 |
| fenn | prezi x penrose tiling on acid | 01:47 |
| fenn | quantumkat: lest you get the wrong impression, i've never done any drugs stronger than chocolate (though i hit the chocolate pretty hard sometimes) | 01:48 |
| nsh | to be fair though, you do quaff imagination in potent doses | 01:48 |
| fenn | oh, i can't take credit for that... | 01:49 |
| fenn | it's the intercontextual time travel agents manipulating the fabric of reality dedicated to simulating my subconscious | 01:50 |
| nsh | damn those InterCont goons! | 01:50 |
| kanzure | fenn: get rid of the css background shading, convert the font to verdana and you will have mastered the web 2.0 look :( | 01:50 |
| fenn | it is verdana | 01:51 |
| nsh | if you want a taste of some of my more potent nutcasings, here's the personal statement that (somehow) got me accepted into university last year: http://paste.lisp.org/display/73514 | 01:52 |
| nsh | one of my better pieces of constrained writing (exactly the number of characters permitted in the online form) | 01:53 |
| fenn | it's really hard to find stuff on orion's arm that you sorta halfway remember | 01:54 |
| kanzure | fenn: the only way to do that is to ask the orionsarm.com mailing list dwellers | 01:54 |
| kanzure | also they've been doing a site re-design for the past year and i suspect part of their content base is, uh, "not there any more" | 01:55 |
| kanzure | thomas paviot wants me to write a paper for pythonocc for scipy2010 | 01:56 |
| kanzure | and also make up the presentation | 01:56 |
| kanzure | and then put him as a co-author on the paper | 01:56 |
| kanzure | which he will not contribute to. | 01:56 |
| kanzure | maybe this is just some sort of werid french->english conversion error | 01:56 |
| kanzure | *weird | 01:56 |
| fenn | i wonder if anybody who read it understood this quote: "This reentrancy of our comprehensive manifold becomes the next layer of cosmological self-reference: as physics gives rise to biology that it may model physics, biology gives rise to cognition that it may model biology." | 01:57 |
| kanzure | blah blah blah, emergence | 01:57 |
| kanzure | blah blah tautology blah | 01:57 |
| kanzure | final cause blah | 01:57 |
| fenn | heh | 01:58 |
| * nsh smiles | 01:58 | |
| * fenn winks | 01:58 | |
| * kanzure still thinks nsh is a hidden markov machine/model | 01:58 | |
| * quantumkat coughs | 01:58 | |
| * kanzure is actually asleep and kat doesn't see him | 01:58 | |
| kanzure | At all. | 01:58 |
| fenn | apparently nobody pays attention to /away status | 01:58 |
| * quantumkat looks oblivious | 01:58 | |
| * genehacker observes quantumkat | 01:59 | |
| kanzure | nsh: have you stalked john smart yet? | 02:00 |
| fenn | getting stupid things done efficiently is better than getting them done inefficiently | 02:00 |
| genehacker | chocolate has a marijauna analog in it | 02:00 |
| quantumkat | Oh no! Did I live or die? | 02:00 |
| fenn | genehacker: so does your mom | 02:00 |
| nsh | i'm banned from stalking by the stalkers' guild | 02:00 |
| genehacker | get out of here stalker? | 02:00 |
| fenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid#Endocannabinoids | 02:00 |
| nsh | who the hell gets a bachelors in the business administration | 02:01 |
| nsh | is that for people who have too much soul to sit through the entire masters? | 02:01 |
| quantumkat | Some people REALLY want to GM McDonalds. | 02:01 |
| genehacker | no, it is for people who lack them | 02:01 |
| genehacker | GM? | 02:01 |
| fenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system#Role_in_human_female_reproduction | 02:01 |
| quantumkat | General Manage | 02:02 |
| quantumkat | Game Master | 02:02 |
| quantumkat | Whatever | 02:02 |
| * nsh corrects the grammar in that section | 02:02 | |
| fenn | gross misrepresentative | 02:02 |
| nsh | kanzure, some interesting stuff by smart. what's your take on him/it? | 02:03 |
| fenn | if i havent learned 5 new things after dessert, the day just isn't complete | 02:03 |
| nsh | "In his defense, he claims universal and human-historical accelerating change (see Carl Sagan's Cosmic Calendar) do not appear to be simply a product of evolution but of some universal developmental process, one apparently protected, in a general statistical sense, by poorly understood immune systems in complex systems." | 02:04 |
| nsh | makes very little sense to me... | 02:05 |
| kanzure | try running a search for him plus "evo devo universe" or "evodevo" | 02:05 |
| fenn | is this like "timewave zero"? | 02:06 |
| kanzure | who is timewave? | 02:06 |
| fenn | terrence mckenna bs | 02:06 |
| quantumkat | Novelty theory! | 02:06 |
| kanzure | i avoid mckenna bs, so you'll have to enlighten me | 02:06 |
| fenn | uh.. well, i'm not really sure i can explain it very well | 02:06 |
| nsh | "Lately he had his head down writing his book. This is why I am extra happy that he takes a brake to introduce his current big picture thinking at our next Future Salon on Friday the 17th of April. (6-7 networking 7-9pm talk/conversation)." freudian slip on 'break/brake'? | 02:06 |
| kanzure | step 1: get high | 02:07 |
| fenn | sth like "there is a magical fractal shape underlying reality which reaches an asymptote on december 21 2012" | 02:07 |
| kanzure | no | 02:07 |
| kanzure | "The Child-Proof Universe Hypothesis: Informational Immunity (ADC resilience to catastrophe), a product of two-way communication in a collective of evolutionary systems, grows superexponentially at the leading edge of local development." | 02:08 |
| kanzure | he gave a presentation at h+ summit 2009 about this | 02:08 |
| kanzure | but i was too self-absorbed to listen / type a transcript | 02:08 |
| nsh | mckenna's timewave was a form of teleological 'attractor'. i think smart's conception is of a more general (non-retrocausal) telos or 'purpose' general to developmental systems | 02:09 |
| nsh | *better_english() | 02:09 |
| kanzure | "Immune systems are seen, to varying degrees, in all substrate levels in universal evolutionary development, from galactic, stellar, planetary, plant, animal, neurologic, social, and technologic systems. They are apparently a key part of the deep structure of any cosmic system which allows the local development of computational complexity." | 02:09 |
| kanzure | http://www.accelerationwatch.com/laws.html | 02:10 |
| kanzure | well at least he cites godel and chaitin | 02:10 |
| nsh | that domain makes me chuckle, thinking it's in the same vein as other *watch sites | 02:10 |
| kanzure | heh | 02:11 |
| nsh | still can't decide whether i like or hate chaitin | 02:11 |
| kanzure | it's not that important | 02:11 |
| kanzure | re: immune systems, tony smith recently pointed me to an article on anticipation | 02:12 |
| kanzure | http://www.ukzn.ac.za/undphil/collier/papers/collier-Corrected-April-8-2006.pdf | 02:13 |
| kanzure | which was in an email re: rosen and ulanowicz | 02:14 |
| genehacker | I need to read more about about anticipation, apparently someone came up with an interesting robot that did anticipatory control | 02:14 |
| kanzure | warning: last .pdf is super-philosophy, be warned | 02:14 |
| genehacker | oh so anticipation still is like that? | 02:14 |
| kanzure | "Conditions for fully autonomous anticipation" | 02:14 |
| fenn | "Do we live in a universe where the really dangerous aspects of technology are simply inaccessible to dangerously simple minds?" wtf does that have to do with "immune systems"? | 02:14 |
| kanzure | fenn: a lot of accelerationstudies.org stuff is about fearmongering and promotionalism stuff.. | 02:15 |
| fenn | i dont think that's what he's going for at all | 02:15 |
| fenn | read it again | 02:15 |
| fenn | he's saying we can't destroy ourselves if we tried | 02:16 |
| kanzure | "Autonomous systems actively control the conditions of their own existence so as to increase their overall viability. This paper will first give minimal necessary and sufficient conditions for autonomous anticipation, followed by a taxonomy of autonomous anticipation." | 02:16 |
| nsh | now he's just throwing down a challenge | 02:16 |
| nsh | don't tempt me... | 02:16 |
| fenn | i could think of worse things to try | 02:16 |
| kanzure | worse? | 02:17 |
| fenn | wasnt that the point of aum shinri kyo? | 02:17 |
| kanzure | how could anything possibly be worse | 02:17 |
| nsh | i'm sure that's what the dinosaurs thought | 02:17 |
| fenn | the dinosaurs didnt launch that meteor | 02:17 |
| kanzure | .. did they? | 02:18 |
| nsh | i remember reading that there was a time when 6 foot mushrooms ruled land, before there were any animals about to trash them | 02:18 |
| kanzure | !conspiracybot new conspiracy | 02:18 |
| * nsh smiles | 02:18 | |
| nsh | (actually had a dream about a mushroom last night; they're probably controlling my thoughts. woke up in a sweat...) | 02:18 |
| kanzure | um i did that all wrong | 02:18 |
| nsh | it seems a bit blaze to write sentences with unqualified throwaway clauses like "...as stable intelligence never develops without concomitant immunity" | 02:19 |
| fenn | mushrooms didnt evolve into animals (or did they.. wonk) | 02:20 |
| kanzure | nsh: i'm surprised there are no references in those sentences too | 02:20 |
| kanzure | where does he expect his readers to go | 02:20 |
| fenn | i had a dream about how to crack combination locks :\ | 02:20 |
| nsh | *blase | 02:21 |
| nsh | hmm | 02:21 |
| fenn | in my dream somehow i knew they were dependent on gravity, but i didnt know this consciously | 02:21 |
| fenn | it turns out to be true | 02:21 |
| fenn | why can't aliens beam useful shit into my mind while i'm asleep, like how to build a time machine or something | 02:21 |
| nsh | i was thinking a bit about the mechanism of spontaneous pseudomemorygenesis in dreams earlier | 02:22 |
| nsh | someone called me on my phone, they were called "naomi", and i instantly 'remembered' that they were living in chile | 02:22 |
| nsh | where does that come from? i used to think it was actual recollection from previous dream tropes, but i doubt that | 02:22 |
| fenn | isnt that a basic feature of dreamness? | 02:22 |
| fenn | where you "just know" something | 02:23 |
| nsh | aye | 02:23 |
| kanzure | i volunteer my mom to test any wild ideas about dreaming | 02:23 |
| kanzure | she's the whole circus when it comes to lucid dreaming | 02:23 |
| nsh | but is it just entropically generated on-the-spot? | 02:23 |
| nsh | oh, cool | 02:23 |
| kanzure | sleep walking, sleep talking, sleep driving, sleep doing everything under the sun | 02:23 |
| kanzure | apparently she wakes up exhausted | 02:23 |
| nsh | heh | 02:23 |
| kanzure | sleep breaking-up-with-the-boyfriend | 02:24 |
| fenn | nsh: i believe it's a byproduct of the shuffling of synaptic circuits, crosstalk if you will | 02:24 |
| nsh | fenn, i can appreciate that it's probably entropic | 02:24 |
| nsh | but the fact that it's so easily interpreted to be contextually (semi)sensible is amazing | 02:24 |
| fenn | humans are good at rationalizing :( | 02:25 |
| nsh | quite. | 02:25 |
| fenn | kanzure: so how does your mom get so much energy? if she wakes up exhausted | 02:26 |
| kanzure | fuck if i know | 02:26 |
| * kanzure sleeps (interview.. blah.) | 02:26 | |
| fenn | night | 02:26 |
| nsh | "In example after example, the immune learning which occurs with any catastrophe always seems to statistically increase the average distributed complexity (ADC) of the local network, if not the individual" | 02:26 |
| nsh | data or it didn't happen. | 02:26 |
| genehacker | rolipram? | 02:26 |
| nsh | night kanz | 02:26 |
| fenn | smart has some interesting and well summarized ideas, even if i dont like his use of the word "immune" | 02:28 |
| fenn | also, is he a name changer like "max more"? | 02:28 |
| nsh | in what sense? | 02:29 |
| nsh | i think Smart was born Smart | 02:30 |
| fenn | kind of makes it hard to search for "smart safecar" | 02:31 |
| nsh | mm | 02:31 |
| nsh | why must the binmen come on monday mornings | 02:34 |
| fenn | we have mexicans with weedwhackers | 02:34 |
| nsh | probably sounds better | 02:34 |
| fenn | it would have rhymed or something if i had said 'wetbacks' | 02:34 |
| nsh | heh he | 02:35 |
| fenn | WWW: the future has arrived | 02:35 |
| fenn | WWWW | 02:35 |
| fenn | <- still waiting for teleoperated robo-maid | 02:36 |
| * fenn mumbles something about fembots | 02:36 | |
| nsh | me too | 02:37 |
| nsh | in finnish, despite putatively having the same number of syllables as double-ew, saying WWW takes about twice a long | 02:37 |
| nsh | but they don't differentiate between w and v much, so people just say vvv | 02:37 |
| fenn | who puts the most interesting talk in the conference on the first day first thing in the morning? wtf! | 02:37 |
| nsh | maybe they don't want everyone leaving early | 02:38 |
| nsh | wait | 02:38 |
| nsh | no idea | 02:38 |
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| quantumkat | So that only the truly dedicated will be rewarded. | 02:43 |
| quantumkat | And those with alarm clocks. | 02:43 |
| fenn | sleep to live or live to sleep | 02:43 |
| fenn | the world will be inherited by those who sleep | 02:44 |
| fenn | logical deduction from jesus and 'sleep is for the weak' | 02:44 |
| * fenn goes away | 02:45 | |
| nsh | adieu | 02:45 |
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| fenn | too much "extreme moose tracks" to be able to sleep, drew this instead http://fennetic.net/sketches/gumstix_glasses1_web.jpg http://fennetic.net/sketches/gumstix_glasses2_web.jpg | 03:46 |
| fenn | chunky | 03:48 |
| Utopiah | how can I search a term accross multiple domains? site:X,Y or site:X site:Y doesn't work | 03:59 |
| superkuh | "gumstix, microSD, kopindides(?)..." what is that word? | 04:16 |
| superkuh | re: fenn's head mounted display sketches | 04:17 |
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| nsh | Utopiah, there's probably a greasemonkey script to combine results from google queries | 04:44 |
| nsh | or a site | 04:44 |
| Utopiah | nsh: well it's actually to do it with Vimperator but I can't do it directly so that was already a trick :/ | 04:44 |
| Utopiah | but yes, if I can't find anything else Ill just make a webpage for that I guess | 04:45 |
| nsh | mmm | 04:45 |
| nsh | Utopiah, http://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100&hl=en&q=science+[+keyword+site:slashdot.org+OR+site:reddit.com+]&meta=&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= | 04:47 |
| nsh | you need the square brackets apparently | 04:47 |
| nsh | oh, keyword should be the query | 04:48 |
| nsh | not sure it matters then whether the query term is inside or outside the brackets | 04:48 |
| Utopiah | nice, thanks nsh , I did check Google advanced search but it merged the domains automatically | 04:49 |
| nsh | np | 04:49 |
| nsh | motherfucking dinosaurs predate flowers | 05:05 |
| nsh | how the hell did i miss that nugget of information!? | 05:06 |
| nsh | there were no flowers on earth then the dinosaurs were doing their shit | 05:06 |
| nsh | THE LAND BEFORE TIME WAS ALL LIES | 05:06 |
| QuantumG | I honestly wasn't aware of that | 05:08 |
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| nsh | aye, i was surprised | 05:29 |
| nsh | learnt it from here: flowers | 05:30 |
| nsh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Calendar | 05:30 |
| nsh | more infos here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_history_of_plants | 05:30 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 05:46 |
| * nsh tips hat | 05:47 | |
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| kanzure | is it food time yet | 09:31 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: how does debian.org prevent hostile takeovers from self-promotionalist bastards | 12:31 |
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| kanzure | thebwt: | 13:35 |
| kanzure | http://texaslinuxfest.org/ | 13:35 |
| kanzure | is there any chance you know some people who would be interested in attending? | 13:35 |
| thebwt | most of my team | 13:36 |
| thebwt | We're working with canonical | 13:36 |
| thebwt | I'm personally going to be helping the gnome foundation as well. | 13:36 |
| thebwt | I see you have a presentation :D | 13:37 |
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| kanzure | :) | 13:37 |
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| kanzure | ferrouswheel: you might be interested in downloading this: http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt | 14:31 |
| fenn | O-O reprap parts selling for $550 on ebay.. maybe i'm in the wrong business | 14:33 |
| nsh | someone should enable compression on that, kanzure | 14:33 |
| fenn | more data to hoard http://wiki.makerbot.com/lineage | 14:43 |
| kanzure | nsh: http://gnusha.org/logs/ | 14:49 |
| kanzure | er, let it regenerate | 14:49 |
| nsh | cool | 14:49 |
| kanzure | done | 14:49 |
| fenn | superkuh: says "kopin drivers" and yes it's illegible. kopin is the company that makes the lcd screens in the myvu video glasses. right now there's a whole boatload of electronics to convert to s-video then composite video then back to digital and finally the kind of digital that the display wants. i can simplify that all out by outputting the right signal in the first place, or something close to it | 14:58 |
| fenn | hmm this was in 2007, i wonder if it ever made it into reality: http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/30/seagate-unveils-d-a-v-e-drive-with-bluetooth-and-wifi/ | 15:01 |
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| egeste | interesting research | 17:12 |
| fenn | context plz | 17:22 |
| egeste | fabrication | 17:23 |
| egeste | general concept(s) | 17:23 |
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| kanzure | universal uls-25er | 19:33 |
| kanzure | hi egeste | 19:33 |
| genehacker | can you cut paper with it? | 19:53 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:53 |
| JayDugger | And score paper, too. | 19:53 |
| genehacker | aluminum> | 19:53 |
| kanzure | aluminum no | 19:53 |
| genehacker | why? | 19:53 |
| kanzure | you need something like 1kW to do aluminum apparently | 19:53 |
| genehacker | can't you slow down the beam scan speed? | 19:53 |
| kanzure | but i haven't confirmed this on the internets | 19:53 |
| JayDugger | Now you just need a press brake for paper and a robot arm to manipulate, and you have an origami machine. | 19:53 |
| genehacker | thin aluminum | 19:53 |
| genehacker | foil | 19:54 |
| JayDugger | I'll bet aluminum has too high a heat capacity for the laser, but I don't know. | 19:54 |
| genehacker | that'd be papercraft | 19:54 |
| JayDugger | Can you cut glass or acrylic? | 19:54 |
| kanzure | both glass and acrylic | 19:54 |
| genehacker | really? | 19:54 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:54 |
| JayDugger | Hmm...can it do perforations, or just continuous strokes? | 19:54 |
| genehacker | neat | 19:54 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: are perforations non-continuous strokes? | 19:55 |
| JayDugger | One hole after the other makes a perforation. | 19:55 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:55 |
| genehacker | hmmm... I need to make something ridiculously complex and interesting to laser up | 19:55 |
| kanzure | it can do that too | 19:55 |
| kanzure | it can even cut pie | 19:55 |
| JayDugger | What? | 19:56 |
| fenn | aluminum doesn't like to be laser cut.. steel much easier | 19:56 |
| JayDugger | Without burning it? | 19:56 |
| genehacker | do you have it yet? | 19:56 |
| kanzure | yes i have it | 19:56 |
| JayDugger | fenn, what about copper? I think that'd be worse. | 19:56 |
| fenn | supposedly the laser produces toxic chemicals when you cut food, not suitable for consumption | 19:56 |
| kanzure | oh fooey | 19:56 |
| fenn | copper is also bad | 19:56 |
| genehacker | really? | 19:56 |
| genehacker | that's odd | 19:56 |
| JayDugger | I find that hard to believe. Worse than barbeque? | 19:56 |
| fenn | dunno, just what i heard | 19:57 |
| kanzure | there are always toxic particles that are generated (any fine particulate matter can do damage to yo) | 19:57 |
| kanzure | *you | 19:57 |
| kanzure | and also t oyo | 19:57 |
| kanzure | *to yo | 19:57 |
| kanzure | so you have to hook it up to a ventilation system | 19:57 |
| JayDugger | I think it'd work poorly on most food, but mostly because it'd burn the food. | 19:57 |
| JayDugger | Try it with pecan pie, kanzure. | 19:58 |
| genehacker | yay coloumb explosions, the same reason why Corium spontaneously generates dust | 19:58 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: fenn's comment was that it will kill you | 19:58 |
| kanzure | not that it won't work | 19:58 |
| fenn | JayDugger: i was looking at some laser cut cardboard the other day.. it looked like it was cut with an x-acto knife, not burned at all | 19:58 |
| JayDugger | That's why I volunteered you to make the test. | 19:58 |
| kanzure | oh lovely | 19:58 |
| fenn | or maybe a micro-ferret.. little ridges about 0.1mm wide | 19:58 |
| kanzure | well, i'm already signed up to fight mac's legal battles for him apparently | 19:58 |
| JayDugger | fenn, did you use any magnification? | 19:58 |
| kanzure | so the more the merrier | 19:59 |
| JayDugger | I've read lasers have an hourglass-shaped kerf. | 19:59 |
| fenn | JayDugger: http://fennetic.net/irc/cellbot_acrylic_cardboard.jpg | 20:01 |
| fenn | no i didnt use magnification | 20:01 |
| JayDugger | Got it. Thank you, fenn. | 20:02 |
| genehacker | so .dxf files, correct? | 20:04 |
| kanzure | i am going to implement a laser targeting system to zap you in the fucken nads if you don't submit stuff to it in .svg | 20:04 |
| genehacker | ok | 20:05 |
| kanzure | but yes .dxf can work | 20:05 |
| genehacker | why only .svg? | 20:05 |
| kanzure | .dxf is proprietary and you should be more careful with your work? | 20:05 |
| genehacker | but my cad programs don't output in .svg... | 20:06 |
| kanzure | fenn: what do i do | 20:06 |
| genehacker | mmmm... maybe they do | 20:06 |
| genehacker | they do | 20:07 |
| genehacker | nevermind | 20:07 |
| fenn | dxf is not the worst thing ever.. it's just poorly executed | 20:09 |
| fenn | it "can" be done well | 20:09 |
| fenn | but usually something that exports dxf will do it badly | 20:09 |
| genehacker | so how do you tell the laser to score paper | 20:10 |
| genehacker | different colored lines? | 20:10 |
| fenn | different layers i guess | 20:11 |
| fenn | or dashed lines | 20:11 |
| fenn | kanzure you should get one of those quickcam orbits for the austin hackerspace | 20:16 |
| fenn | then i can make fun of you guys for never being there | 20:16 |
| kanzure | i'm there now | 20:20 |
| genehacker | this isn't svg, but... | 20:20 |
| genehacker | http://www.geocities.jp/micropaperplane/kitte1.pdf | 20:20 |
| kanzure | what are you talking about :( | 20:20 |
| genehacker | http://www.geocities.jp/micropaperplane/sikousakugokitteno1.htm | 20:21 |
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| kanzure | edison was a patent troll? http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1599570&cid=31665222 | 20:43 |
| nsh | totally | 20:44 |
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| jrayhawk | edison ran a patent thinktank and was notorious for ripping off both the creators and licensees of patents in whatever way he could | 21:21 |
| QuantumG | and claiming complete personal notoriety for everything that came out of that think tank.. | 21:22 |
| QuantumG | a bit like Wolfram really | 21:22 |
| kanzure | why did i let mom convince me to let her take away all my crapboxes | 21:29 |
| kanzure | now that i definitely need one i don't have one laying around :( | 21:30 |
| kanzure | i wonder how to solve the wiring issue | 21:30 |
| kanzure | i'm thinking of draping ethernet, or whatever else, over the ceiling beams | 21:30 |
| kanzure | but that's not really organized | 21:31 |
| kanzure | pvc pipe through the ceiling with drop-down points? | 21:31 |
| nsh | if only there was some kind of wireless networking protocol... | 21:33 |
| fenn | edison was a bastard in every way possible | 21:34 |
| nsh | and typified the american dream | 21:34 |
| fenn | yeah now we have high schools named after him | 21:34 |
| fenn | probably because he donated money | 21:35 |
| * fenn shrugs | 21:35 | |
| fenn | wouldnt want a prison named after me | 21:35 |
| nsh | a park would be nicer | 21:36 |
| nsh | or a forest | 21:36 |
| fenn | kanzure: probably too late now; i was telling les to do a "backplane" with: air, electric, ethernet, water, drain | 21:36 |
| fenn | all in parallel, wrapping around the back wall | 21:36 |
| jrayhawk | bryan: always drape wires everywhere | 21:36 |
| jrayhawk | ALWAYS. | 21:36 |
| fenn | then "plug" the offices into that | 21:36 |
| fenn | and yes i know ethernet is star topology | 21:37 |
| nsh | just how carcinogenic, incidentally, is eating charred chicken? i absolutely vulcanised some chili strips earlier and ate them anyway out of economy | 21:38 |
| nsh | i think a little is probably healthy from time to time | 21:38 |
| fenn | it's not activated charcoal | 21:40 |
| * nsh consults the welcomingly-patronising http://www.eatwell.gov.uk/asksam/healthydiet/meatq/#A221179 | 21:40 | |
| nsh | meh | 21:41 |
| fenn | maybe you just shouldnt eat dead animals | 21:42 |
| nsh | hey, let's not be too radical :) | 21:43 |
| nsh | eating living animals bears its own hazards | 21:43 |
| kanzure | fenn: backwall backplane would have been nice. | 21:43 |
| kanzure | in data centers they just do stuff underneath right? | 21:43 |
| fenn | both | 21:44 |
| fenn | hard to find pictures of "real" datacenters on the internetz | 21:45 |
| fenn | http://www.unitedhosting.com/images/datacenter-2.jpg | 21:45 |
| kanzure | i have a feeling that this might turn into a wiring catastrophe no matter what i try to do | 21:46 |
| kanzure | "Director of Wires, Cords and Pipes: all wiring must be approved OR ELSE" | 21:47 |
| kanzure | :P | 21:47 |
| fenn | just make sure everything is at least on a cad drawing somewhere | 21:50 |
| kanzure | wrapping around the back wall is nice but i'm more wondering about stuff in the middle | 21:51 |
| kanzure | there are already too many power cords running over the floor (a total of 2, i counted) | 21:53 |
| kanzure | strategically blocking all entrances so you can't roll anything over 'em without getting creative | 21:53 |
| kanzure | but if you drop bundles of your utilities down from the ceiling, you'll only have a handful of drop points that everything will cluster around | 21:55 |
| kanzure | why isn't this stuff built into the slab by default | 21:58 |
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