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| Utopiah | http://hackaday.com/2010/03/30/cnc-egg-decorating/ | 04:30 |
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| Utopiah | http://fora.tv/2010/03/27/The_Future_of_Manufacturing_in_the_US_and_Europe | 04:46 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 05:53 |
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| fenn | blue light phase shift correction software: http://www.stereopsis.com/flux/ | 08:17 |
| fenn | well, the "linux version" is a joke | 08:27 |
| kanzure | configuring sshd for multiple ports is oddly difficult | 08:36 |
| kanzure | supposedly you just add multiple "Port" directives to the /etc/sshd/ssh_config file and then restart/reload sshd | 08:36 |
| kanzure | haha i like how they cite AP as "singularityhub.com" http://www.miperiodicodigital.com/edicion2010/articulo.php?id=3513 | 08:39 |
| fenn | la verdad, you better believe it | 08:40 |
| kanzure | "La Verdad Digital, S. L." | 08:41 |
| fenn | sort of like "pravda" | 08:42 |
| kanzure | bwahaha! | 08:48 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/papers/Redefining%20the%20x%20axis%20-%20professionals,%20amateurs%20and%20the%20making%20of%20mid-victorian%20biology.pdf | 08:48 |
| kanzure | "The X Club" | 08:48 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Club | 08:48 |
| kanzure | what is a "gentleman amateur" | 08:53 |
| kanzure | page 12 is interesting but not exceedingly so | 08:58 |
| fenn | i believe it means you have a mustache, smoke a pipe, and speak with an accent | 09:00 |
| fenn | har har "you long-winded vanitous pedant!" | 09:01 |
| fenn | wow ok actual historical research.. can't read any more of that | 09:02 |
| kanzure | heh | 09:03 |
| kanzure | yeah i stopped a while ago :x | 09:03 |
| kanzure | this is neat: http://petewarden.typepad.com/searchbrowser/2010/02/how-to-split-up-the-us.html | 09:23 |
| kanzure | he crawled facebook and took a look at the connection graph plotted over geography | 09:23 |
| kanzure | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/03/31/1430256/Facebook-Kills-Dataset-of-Crawled-Public-Profiles?art_pos=2 | 09:25 |
| kanzure | huh etacts.com is using google-oauth-imap which is, apparently, unable to be used by anyone else? | 09:36 |
| kanzure | http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/06/gmail-imap-etacts/ | 09:36 |
| kanzure | http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/apps-apis/thread?tid=367f38ab66e6ea44&hl=en | 09:37 |
| kanzure | mmm data http://petewarden.typepad.com/searchbrowser/2010/02/social-network-data-and-research.html | 09:42 |
| kanzure | this is neat: http://www.gstatic.com/s2/sitemaps/profiles-sitemap.xml | 09:44 |
| kanzure | actually it's ridiculously neat | 09:44 |
| kanzure | i will reign doom upon your doomed planet of doom | 09:45 |
| fenn | what is neat? | 09:52 |
| fenn | all i see is an xml file with trivial information content | 09:53 |
| * fenn downloads the enron email data set | 09:54 | |
| Utopiah | kanzure: at one time you analyzed the referrer log of you website, did you use that to make suggestion for each visitor based on their referrer? | 09:54 |
| kanzure | fenn: it's google's index of all users of google | 09:56 |
| kanzure | Utopiah: no? | 09:56 |
| Utopiah | is that a question? | 09:57 |
| kanzure | you might be confusing stuff together | 09:58 |
| kanzure | like the time i analyzed the referrer logs | 09:58 |
| kanzure | versus the time i analyzed tag clouds for everyone i talked with | 09:58 |
| kanzure | and then made suggestions for what to talk about | 09:58 |
| Utopiah | talking about #1 referrer logs, I thought it could be used to suggest pages per visitor (unrelated ot chatlogs) | 09:59 |
| kanzure | also i'm busy all day today (meetings out the gazooka) | 10:00 |
| kanzure | i had one scheduled for even before i woke up :/ | 10:01 |
| kanzure | er i meant that to sound impossible | 10:01 |
| kanzure | but it is possible that i could oversleep, which didn't happen | 10:01 |
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| jrayhawk | EasyStreet looks like it's being a bit inadequate; if a mirror is needed for repo.meego.com, I can probably arrange for one at PSU pretty quick. Feel free to email me at jrayhawk@omgwallhack.org. | 11:25 |
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| jrayhawk | Hmm. I might need to upgrade the kernel on that system to get rid of this dumb memory problem. | 15:01 |
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| genehacker | James Cameron's making a movie on mars | 15:07 |
| genehacker | http://www.airspacemag.com/space-exploration/Camerons-Camera.html | 15:07 |
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| jrayhawk | that movie is probably going to be co-written with j. micheal straczynski | 15:54 |
| jrayhawk | which means that, unlike every other cameron movie, the plot might actually contain sophistication | 15:54 |
| QuantumG | heh | 16:05 |
| fenn | pff | 16:12 |
| fenn | you're just jealous | 16:12 |
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| genehacker | there is no plot, only 3d, and gratuitous Mars landing action | 16:24 |
| genehacker | *gratuitous 3d Mars landing action | 16:24 |
| genehacker | kanzure will your laser cutter accept pixel based image formats? | 16:25 |
| genehacker | I'd like to laser up some circuit stencils | 16:29 |
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| kanzure | it will cut rectangles if that what you're asking | 16:45 |
| kanzure | and squares! | 16:45 |
| kanzure | oh man, polygons!!11onde | 16:45 |
| fenn | no fair, i've been working on this for at least a week and it still doesn't do anything | 16:51 |
| genehacker | will it accept a pixel based image format like a black and white .jpeg, .bmp, .png, etc | 17:00 |
| genehacker | the wearable thing? | 17:00 |
| fenn | the reprap | 17:01 |
| genehacker | you're working on a reprap now? | 17:02 |
| genehacker | how far along are you | 17:02 |
| kanzure | this seems kind of lame for a portland + oshw combo: http://www.oscon.com/oscon2010/public/schedule/detail/12559 | 17:06 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: don't you guys have import restrictions on lameness | 17:06 |
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| genehacker | kanzure what's the laser cutter you got again? | 17:15 |
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| kanzure | genehacker: ULS-25ER | 17:24 |
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| kanzure | hm why do i have only one linux iso | 17:38 |
| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 17:38 |
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| QuantumG | http://www.zdnet.com.au/google-to-leave-australia-over-evil-filter-339302180.htm | 17:43 |
| JayDugger | Crap. I have no pranks planned for tomorrow? | 17:45 |
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| kanzure | heh a "we'll leave australia" april fools joke would be pretty cool | 17:54 |
| JayDugger | Hell, I'd rather do an "I've taken a job with your main competitor--in Australia" April's Fool gag. | 18:01 |
| JayDugger | That ought to ruin my employer's day. | 18:01 |
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| kanzure | JayDugger: who knows, you might get a salary bonus / raise! | 19:13 |
| JayDugger | More likely, an updated NDA/Non-Compete and an escort to the door. | 19:14 |
| JayDugger | Recreational reading: http://www.dtic.mil/mctl/DSTL.html | 19:16 |
| QuantumG | my mate got laid off from the company at least 18 months ago.. someone recently asked him about something via an email I was cc'd into and he says "well, under my non-compete agreement I'm not allowed to work on that yet" .. I'm like "dude, you actually think that thing is enforceable?" Being that the company is in the US and we're in Australia, and non-competes are barely legal anyway.. | 19:16 |
| JayDugger | The DoD's Developing Science & Technologies List. | 19:16 |
| * kanzure puts in a floppy drive | 19:17 | |
| kanzure | *clunk* | 19:17 |
| kanzure | hahah | 19:17 |
| JayDugger | In the US, the non-compete's I've seen usually allow the employer to pick the venue or go directly to arbitration. | 19:17 |
| kanzure | that's right! they had some mechanical snapping going on | 19:17 |
| kanzure | this is ridiculous | 19:17 |
| kanzure | i can't believe we didn't have a fucking floppy drive | 19:18 |
| JayDugger | But, you have a good point about distance affecting enforcability. | 19:18 |
| JayDugger | What use have you for a floppy drive? | 19:18 |
| JayDugger | Holding a door open? | 19:18 |
| kanzure | laser cutter printer drivers | 19:18 |
| QuantumG | we have some people working at the company who are under non-competes from their last job.. and all we do is say "you can't work on this particular project" | 19:18 |
| JayDugger | It ships drivers on floppies? | 19:19 |
| JayDugger | http://www.dtic.mil/mctl/MCTL.html | 19:21 |
| JayDugger | That's the "Militarily Critical" technology list. | 19:21 |
| JayDugger | More recreational reading. | 19:21 |
| fenn | built in drives are useless - usb all the way baby! | 19:23 |
| kanzure | so how do i install a driver on windows? it doesn't seem to want to read data from the floppy | 19:24 |
| fenn | first you have to put the disk in | 19:24 |
| fenn | then you double click on 'my computer' | 19:24 |
| fenn | and then "drive A:" | 19:24 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:24 |
| fenn | and? | 19:24 |
| kanzure | basically i'm at the printer setup wizard thing and it wants me to select from a list of known drivers | 19:25 |
| fenn | it should go "brrt brrt" | 19:25 |
| kanzure | and i go to "have disk" | 19:25 |
| kanzure | and then it reads the disk and it says there is no driver | 19:25 |
| kanzure | but i clearly see the files on the floppy's file system | 19:25 |
| fenn | is it some .exe installer thingy? | 19:25 |
| kanzure | no | 19:25 |
| fenn | what are the filenames? | 19:26 |
| kanzure | ASL810.CDR, ULS, CEMSETUP.INF, ULS2.CHM | 19:26 |
| fenn | cdr? | 19:27 |
| fenn | .inf is an autorun file | 19:28 |
| kanzure | this is what i get when i search for ASL810: http://www.younghanhitech.com/machinery-single_side_lapping.html | 19:29 |
| kanzure | yeah well it's not autorunning | 19:29 |
| fenn | .cdr seems to be corel draw (vector graphics file) | 19:29 |
| fenn | i dont know how to run scripts on windows | 19:29 |
| fenn | do you have corel draw? | 19:29 |
| fenn | oh, also try opening the CHM file (that's a help file) | 19:30 |
| kanzure | yes i know what chm is -_- | 19:30 |
| kanzure | it's not corel draw | 19:31 |
| kanzure | because it has shit like "unexpected heap overflow" bullshit in it | 19:31 |
| kanzure | and "run-time error e M6101 MATH" | 19:31 |
| kanzure | ah you can right click on the .inf and go to "INSTALL" | 19:32 |
| kanzure | "Error: Installation failed" | 19:32 |
| fenn | sudo right click install | 19:34 |
| kanzure | MCI.CDR | 19:36 |
| kanzure | meistergram? | 19:41 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/uls.drv | 19:41 |
| fenn | version X.XX | 19:44 |
| kanzure | there's two other floppy disks with the same exact .drv file | 19:45 |
| kanzure | just with different version numbers | 19:46 |
| kanzure | 2.73, 2.74, 2.78 | 19:46 |
| fenn | .drv sounds like a driver | 19:51 |
| fenn | <- certified obvious IT profession | 19:51 |
| kanzure | "Complete understanding of how Windows works is essential to the operation of the laser system." | 19:51 |
| kanzure | HA HA | 19:52 |
| JayDugger | "Complete understanding of how Windows works?" Too late to return it? | 19:56 |
| kanzure | welp: http://www.engravingsys.com/members/drivers.htm | 19:59 |
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| kanzure | "# The printer name dialog box will appear. DO NOT RENAME the printer as this may make it inoperable. Choose to whether or not you would like it to be your default printer and click Next." | 20:00 |
| kanzure | don't rename it! it might render it inoperable! | 20:00 |
| kanzure | "Windows 2000 users MUST install at least Service Pack Release version 2 in order to operate the laser system printer driver otherwise the computer will crash every time you attempt to print." | 20:01 |
| fenn | yeah don't name it "breakfaster" i did that once and my computer kept breaking | 20:01 |
| kanzure | ok driver installed | 20:06 |
| kanzure | now who the hell still has RS232 or LPT cabling | 20:06 |
| JayDugger | My employer. | 20:07 |
| JayDugger | And you, apparently. :) | 20:07 |
| kanzure | this is one ancient/broken piece of tech after another | 20:08 |
| kanzure | Windows, floppies, LPT, next it's going to ask me for a fingerprint | 20:08 |
| kanzure | oh yeah and it makes you press "start" before it actually starts | 20:08 |
| fenn | kanzure: now you know why i want to do open source hardware | 20:10 |
| fenn | rs232 is actually not bad as far as things go | 20:10 |
| kanzure | this thing is *heavy* | 20:11 |
| kanzure | and it doesn't have to be | 20:11 |
| kanzure | i see absolutely no reason for this to have so much mass | 20:11 |
| fenn | usb _could_ have been simple and foolproof but they didnt make it that way | 20:11 |
| fenn | where is the mass located? | 20:11 |
| kanzure | do some people get off to adding lots of mass to their already overpriced machines? | 20:11 |
| fenn | get out your mass detector | 20:11 |
| kanzure | the metal casing | 20:11 |
| fenn | chuck it! P | 20:11 |
| fenn | replace with aluminum foil | 20:11 |
| kanzure | heh | 20:11 |
| fenn | foil lined cardboard with aluminum foil tape | 20:12 |
| kanzure | heh! quality | 20:12 |
| fenn | fireproof | 20:12 |
| fenn | sorta | 20:12 |
| fenn | better than styrofoam i guess | 20:12 |
| fenn | to some people mass lends a sense of quality | 20:13 |
| fenn | as in "this must be better because it weighs more, and i paid a lot for it" | 20:13 |
| kanzure | "it certainly *feels* like a lot" | 20:13 |
| fenn | i had some industrial monitors with a 1/4" thick steel bezel around the monitor | 20:13 |
| fenn | 3" wide, weighed like 20 lbs | 20:14 |
| fenn | lcd screens mind you | 20:14 |
| fenn | this reprap stuff is pissing me off. i didnt realize how bad it really was | 20:15 |
| fenn | i'm so close to forking | 20:15 |
| JayDugger | What in particular, fenn, angers you? | 20:18 |
| fenn | the sanguino | 20:19 |
| fenn | "let's take a perfectly good standard and then fuck with it until it doesn't work right or use standard parts, for no good reason" | 20:19 |
| fenn | and the lack of documentation | 20:19 |
| fenn | and the multiple shitty java clients | 20:19 |
| fenn | and forrest higgs, who is alternately the voice of reason and a cranky old bastard who hates on everything i like | 20:21 |
| fenn | and the mcwire, which is a piece of shit | 20:21 |
| fenn | did i forget anything? | 20:21 |
| JayDugger | What makes you say did i forget anything? :) | 20:22 |
| fenn | the gen 1 extruder is a clusterfuck, but at least they fixed it | 20:22 |
| fenn | oh, and adrian bowyer's monarchy | 20:23 |
| fenn | to get something in mainline, you have to EMAIL IT TO HIM | 20:23 |
| fenn | there's no mailing list, everything is strewn over 50 blogs and the forum | 20:23 |
| QuantumG | they're hardware nerds | 20:24 |
| fenn | not really | 20:24 |
| QuantumG | find a linux guy who is bored and finds it interesting to go in and take over | 20:24 |
| fenn | 90% of the people dont know how to drill a hole straight | 20:24 |
| QuantumG | ok, they're just newbs in general then I guess | 20:24 |
| fenn | i'm so moving to planet krypton | 20:25 |
| QuantumG | http://seasteading.org/seastead.org/commented/paper/infra.html | 20:26 |
| fenn | cool | 20:29 |
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| fenn | time to go stand in the rain | 20:37 |
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| kanzure | crap i fucked with iptables by accident and seem to be dropping everything on port 8082 | 20:41 |
| kanzure | how do i fix? | 20:41 |
| kanzure | i did something stupid like: sudo iptables -A INPUT -d 192.168.1.104 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 8082 -j ACCEPT | 20:44 |
| QuantumG | is that how linux geeks say I love you? | 20:45 |
| Dustbin | and I just realized I recognize the name QuantumG from slashdot... | 20:53 |
| kanzure | :) | 20:54 |
| QuantumG | ya | 20:56 |
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| fenn | kanzure: i need some weird shapes in plastic, figured it's the best way to make them | 22:05 |
| kanzure | haha puny mortal you figured WRONG | 22:07 |
| kanzure | w-r-e-n-g | 22:07 |
| fenn | alternative? | 22:07 |
| fenn | if you say laser i'm going to kill you | 22:07 |
| kanzure | i am not going to say laser anyway | 22:07 |
| fenn | reprap is not bad in concept, even just as a goo squirter | 22:08 |
| fenn | the problem is: 1) it costs $500 in parts 2) you have to be an electrical engineer to build one 3) you have to be a mechanical engineer to build one | 22:10 |
| fenn | and know a good deal about computers, which might be part of #2 | 22:10 |
| fenn | ok dont get me started | 22:11 |
| * fenn looks in the fridge for something to gnaw on | 22:11 | |
| kanzure | hm what is andrew doing in amsterdam | 22:19 |
| fenn | smokin some dope | 22:25 |
| fenn | bangin those hookers | 22:25 |
| fenn | and riding his bicycle | 22:25 |
| fenn | oh and something about a talk maybe | 22:26 |
| fenn | why else? | 22:26 |
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| fenn | is it morally wrong to put MSG on my own food? | 22:27 |
| fenn | i still havent figured out if it's actually bad for you | 22:28 |
| kanzure | "oh and something about a talk .. maybe" heeee | 22:28 |
| kanzure | "i gave a talk at something called Mobile Monday" | 22:34 |
| kanzure | well there's your answer | 22:34 |
| kanzure | "network and telecom folks" | 22:35 |
| kanzure | "introducing them to DNA as an IT industry and getting them to think about new things in cell phones" | 22:35 |
| kanzure | uh huh /me nods suspciously | 22:35 |
| fenn | hold still this won't hurt a bit | 22:37 |
| fenn | trust me i've from the cell phone company | 22:38 |
| kanzure | hint: never talk to people that know what you're talking about? | 22:38 |
| * kanzure worries about texaslinuxfest.org :P | 22:38 | |
| fenn | heh | 22:38 |
| fenn | "why arent you using mongodb?" "mongowah?" | 22:38 |
| kanzure | probably some stupid key-store bullshit | 22:39 |
| fenn | yeah | 22:39 |
| kanzure | you're hanging out with too many "web 2.0" people | 22:39 |
| fenn | help | 22:39 |
| fenn | that's all there is out here | 22:40 |
| fenn | them and people with too much money | 22:40 |
| kanzure | i hope nobody in my linux audience knows about mongodb | 22:40 |
| kanzure | if we're lucky maybe we'll pick up some actual developers! | 22:40 |
| * fenn grunts | 22:40 | |
| kanzure | hehe | 22:41 |
| fenn | beards only plz | 22:41 |
| kanzure | "No beard? No service" | 22:41 |
| fenn | i'm so gonna hang that up on the wall next to me | 22:41 |
| kanzure | "so i was asking about LA because i want to connect you to the most powerful man in hollywood" | 22:50 |
| kanzure | james cameron? O_o | 22:50 |
| kanzure | stalk: oliver luckett | 22:50 |
| fenn | arnold schwarzenegger | 22:54 |
| kanzure | i don't think that's the kind of power he was talking about :x | 22:54 |
| kanzure | (horse power?) | 22:54 |
| fenn | uh, whoever the leader of the crips is? or is it the bloods? | 22:55 |
| kanzure | "i am just wondering what you might do with a media empire at your back" | 22:55 |
| kanzure | les likes the gnusha idea but he doesn't like the idea of voting for positions | 23:04 |
| kanzure | i don't know what the alternative is | 23:04 |
| kanzure | um, a stable alternative | 23:04 |
| kanzure | i guess since gnusha can be replicated indefinitely it wouldn't matter if there's a relatively non-changing social structure under the hood | 23:05 |
| kanzure | fenn: sebastien doesn't seem cooperative half the time, so don't bother until he pings us with some actual progress | 23:14 |
| fenn | voting for positions? sorry i havent been paying attention to this co-op stuff at all | 23:17 |
| kanzure | it's how debian does it | 23:17 |
| kanzure | they do internal elections for various positions IIRC | 23:17 |
| fenn | who counts as "internal"? | 23:17 |
| kanzure | debian developers, apparently, and then some | 23:17 |
| fenn | erm. how does that work | 23:17 |
| fenn | i know you have to be vouched for and then mentored or something | 23:17 |
| kanzure | sequential dropping | 23:17 |
| kanzure | "Shulze method" | 23:18 |
| kanzure | oh | 23:18 |
| kanzure | http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/42155 "However, before candidates are trusted with such tasks, they have to prove not only their programming skills, but also their understanding of Debian processes and philosophy. The process takes months, and there are few exceptions." | 23:19 |
| kanzure | "In particular, unknown candidates are likely to be unable to complete the first step of the process, which requires finding existing developers to recommend them." | 23:19 |
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| JayDugger | kanzure, what's the latest with the EPOC headset? | 23:21 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: still trying to find out how to decrypt AES even if i have a key | 23:21 |
| kanzure | "all reprap users must read the forums, rawr!" | 23:23 |
| fenn | actually he said "emailifcation shortly" | 23:31 |
| fenn | i'm not sure such a thing as forum/email integration exists though | 23:32 |
| fenn | Each forum gets its own unique email address, which only users registered on the site and assigned the permission "post by femail", may post to. For example, a forum titled "Femail issues" on this website would get the email address femail-issues@drupal.org | 23:36 |
| fenn | i see vast bad pun potential | 23:37 |
| fenn | "bad pun" is redundant of course | 23:38 |
| jrayhawk | There are a couple web forum/nntp integration projects. | 23:43 |
| jrayhawk | Sympa is pretty much an web forum/email integration. | 23:43 |
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| jrayhawk | ikiwiki has comment-by-mail and an mbox interpretation plugin. | 23:46 |
| fenn | oh i'm sure there are great things out there | 23:47 |
| fenn | but it doesnt work with $(shitty forum software my project is using and must use for xyz reasons) | 23:47 |
| fenn | the drupal thing sounded pretty good actually | 23:48 |
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