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| kanzure | fenn: so.. clown suit? | 00:08 |
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| kanzure | suite | 00:08 |
| klafka | suit | 00:08 |
| kanzure | suit | 00:09 |
| klafka | you keep really late hours dont you kanzure | 00:09 |
| kanzure | the internet does strange things to you | 00:09 |
| klafka | it does | 00:10 |
| kanzure | hell, look at what it does to fenn: http://fennetic.net/sleep/ | 00:10 |
| klafka | wow | 00:12 |
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| Utopiah | regarding gene finder there is also http://repeatfinder.sourceforge.net/ by the present ferrouswheel | 02:46 |
| Utopiah | (but on motifs) | 02:46 |
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| Utopiah | ferrouswheel: btw was MDiG used for botnets? | 03:13 |
| Utopiah | (or any kind of viral software) | 03:13 |
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| InkBlob | a | 06:10 |
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| kanzure | hello InkBlob | 06:40 |
| kanzure | i am troubled by the appearance of links to lesswrong.com on news.ycombinator.com | 06:41 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_nuclear_fission_reactor | 06:41 |
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| InkBlob | hullo | 06:57 |
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| InkBlob | did you guys hear about artificial life made for the first time? | 07:19 |
| InkBlob | how do you guys think this will affect transhumanism or reversing aging in general? | 07:20 |
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| InkBlob | heybryan.org is very extensive | 07:35 |
| InkBlob | great site. natural nuclear fission reactor? where would you use that? | 07:36 |
| InkBlob | I am very interested in the field of age reversal in general. | 07:36 |
| InkBlob | anything you guys can show me? | 07:39 |
| Utopiah | http://fabien.benetou.fr/Content/Health#LifeExtension | 07:42 |
| Utopiah | my own little page on it | 07:43 |
| klafka | is the iminst.org forum still good? | 07:57 |
| klafka | http://imminst.org/ rather | 07:57 |
| InkBlob | wow that's awesome | 07:57 |
| InkBlob | thanks Utopiah I will take thorough look at it. | 07:57 |
| InkBlob | what do you guys think of TA-65 therapy? | 07:58 |
| InkBlob | think it'll help? | 07:58 |
| InkBlob | wow Utopiah, this is like very thorough. maybe this page can add couple years to my life. who knows haha. | 07:59 |
| Utopiah | InkBlob: if you put them to good use, Im glad ;) | 08:00 |
| JayDugger | InkBlob--too expensive for me. | 08:06 |
| JayDugger | Genescient had zero-cost human trials, but I wasn't yet old enough to qualify. | 08:07 |
| parolang | Don't smoke. Exercise regularly. Eat your veggies :) | 08:08 |
| JayDugger | Stop eating sugar. | 08:10 |
| Utopiah | especially HFCS | 08:10 |
| JayDugger | HFCS? | 08:11 |
| Utopiah | high fructose corn sirup; cheap sugar in processed food | 08:11 |
| JayDugger | Oh, yes. And that's in many foods. Esp, in N. America. | 08:11 |
| parolang | Why is that worse than regular sugar though? | 08:11 |
| JayDugger | I don't know that it is, just more common. | 08:12 |
| Utopiah | there is a conf on that on my page, there is also ##nutrition | 08:12 |
| Utopiah | hmm looks like it's not there; strange, 1min | 08:15 |
| InkBlob | I have to make a great plan to make my parents live longer. they're in their 60's. I need them to survive long enough until science catches up and expand our lifespan by 2 fold. | 08:16 |
| Utopiah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM | 08:16 |
| InkBlob | which i expect about 30 to 50 years. maybe as early as 15 or 20 years. | 08:16 |
| InkBlob | unnatural lifespan. | 08:16 |
| InkBlob | how long do you guys think it'll take before people figure out how to expand our lifespan unnaturally ? | 08:17 |
| JayDugger | Been done: vaccines and sanitation. | 08:17 |
| parolang | InkBlob: I wouldn't make any wagers. | 08:17 |
| JayDugger | Organ transplants. | 08:17 |
| InkBlob | hmm yes, JayDugger, but i mean beyond our natural lifespan of say... 80 to 120 years. | 08:17 |
| InkBlob | something like 200. | 08:18 |
| InkBlob | that would take precise tuning of the body and repairing... | 08:18 |
| JayDugger | BRB--cat freaks out. | 08:18 |
| InkBlob | parolang, no choice. if you love your parents. :) | 08:19 |
| InkBlob | i don't want to have to freeze them. | 08:19 |
| InkBlob | so the obvious choice of life extention in it's most natural form is... | 08:19 |
| JayDugger | Ah, I think Aubrey De Grey has a video from the recent Singularity Summit, titled the "Methuselahirty"? | 08:19 |
| InkBlob | good nutrition, exercise, and maybe some antitoxidants. | 08:20 |
| InkBlob | what would be a higher step beyond this? | 08:20 |
| JayDugger | He discusses what mortality curves look like with repeated SENS treatments. | 08:20 |
| JayDugger | Caloric restriction? | 08:20 |
| InkBlob | oh yeah that too.. | 08:20 |
| klafka | yeah CR | 08:20 |
| klafka | that's a bitch to do i think | 08:20 |
| InkBlob | but that's more in the lines of nutrition... | 08:20 |
| JayDugger | Well... | 08:21 |
| klafka | i find it hard to do work when im' hungry | 08:21 |
| parolang | Well...hold on. You need to consider degrees of certainty that something will work. | 08:21 |
| JayDugger | Good point. | 08:21 |
| parolang | Nutrition, exercise, not smoking are relatively high. | 08:21 |
| parolang | Beyond that, "the next stage", you get into very low certainty, mainly just early stages of research. | 08:21 |
| klafka | idk man, reservatrol, it'll save your life! | 08:21 |
| JayDugger | parolang: have you a ranked list? | 08:22 |
| InkBlob | parolang: you are exactly right... low certainty, mainly just early stages... | 08:22 |
| JayDugger | klafka: I like its effects, but it's not cheap either. | 08:22 |
| parolang | klafka: Says the people who are selling reservatrol :) | 08:22 |
| klafka | :P | 08:22 |
| parolang | JayDugger: no | 08:22 |
| InkBlob | so what amongst that earliest stages can we expect... | 08:22 |
| klafka | i found i had really crazy manic phases | 08:22 |
| klafka | when i took it | 08:22 |
| InkBlob | to be most realistic, and should be preparing for? | 08:22 |
| JayDugger | Well, cryonics--totally speculative, and IMO--a worthy last ditch attempt. | 08:23 |
| InkBlob | TA-65 still falls under the first stages... | 08:23 |
| InkBlob | second stage would be... | 08:23 |
| InkBlob | well, manipulative technologies that cleans you from inside out? | 08:23 |
| JayDugger | CR--that's had primate trials and an (ongoing?) human trial? | 08:23 |
| InkBlob | like... not nano, but microbots? | 08:24 |
| InkBlob | i dont know. lol | 08:24 |
| JayDugger | I believe I'd hold off for a while on those. | 08:24 |
| InkBlob | or drugs. i heard they're coming out with drugs that will make you live uptoo 100 years. | 08:24 |
| JayDugger | Freitas has nice designs, but I've seen no prototypes, much less advertisements for respirocytes. ;) | 08:24 |
| parolang | InkBlob: They're always saying crap like that though. | 08:24 |
| InkBlob | respirocytes, only if they came true right now. lol | 08:25 |
| parolang | Appealing to the aging baby boomers who want to live forever. | 08:25 |
| JayDugger | Heh...what's the last good thing the Boomers will do? | 08:25 |
| InkBlob | yes your righ parolang | 08:25 |
| InkBlob | right | 08:25 |
| parolang | All they really want are eyeballs for advertising. | 08:25 |
| JayDugger | Spend their kids' inheritances on first-generation anti-aging therapies. | 08:25 |
| JayDugger | I.e., on finding out what won't work. | 08:26 |
| InkBlob | so i guess we can't do much buy register for purely speculative cryonics? | 08:26 |
| JayDugger | No offense meant to any boomers present. | 08:26 |
| parolang | *Look! This could make you live a hundred years longer! Stay tuned after a word from our sponsors.* | 08:26 |
| JayDugger | Stay as healthy as you can, as long as you can. | 08:26 |
| InkBlob | hahaha yeah | 08:26 |
| JayDugger | That's its own reward. | 08:26 |
| parolang | JayDugger: I pretty much agree with you. | 08:27 |
| InkBlob | maybe we'll have enough technology to cut our heads and put them on a new cloned body. | 08:27 |
| JayDugger | There's also Cenegenics, but that's mostly a low-glycemic diet and hormone replacement therapy. | 08:27 |
| InkBlob | lol | 08:27 |
| JayDugger | And it costs US$800/month. | 08:27 |
| InkBlob | what do you think the effects of synthetic life- cells- (you seen the news right? artificial life) on reversing aging? | 08:28 |
| parolang | InkBlob: No relation. | 08:28 |
| InkBlob | wonder if they can create different cells to repair damages of aging... | 08:28 |
| JayDugger | Still, my doctor's on it--a perquisite for its practitioners, and he looks much younger than his actual age. | 08:28 |
| InkBlob | that;s still too far away... | 08:28 |
| parolang | InkBlob: And there's controversy as to whether that's actual synthetic life. | 08:28 |
| JayDugger | Right. | 08:28 |
| InkBlob | yeah pieces of DNA from different natural life right? | 08:29 |
| JayDugger | Ask again after ExxonMobil and Dr. Venter have algae that excrete high-octane gasoline. | 08:29 |
| InkBlob | i read it, but i think they can make it synthetic purely, at some point.. | 08:29 |
| JayDugger | That seems like low-hanging fruit. | 08:29 |
| InkBlob | hmm... i guess the only thing to look forward to... in a shorter period of time is.... | 08:30 |
| JayDugger | A gym membership? | 08:30 |
| InkBlob | darn it, i can't think of any lol. | 08:30 |
| parolang | hah | 08:30 |
| InkBlob | yup | 08:30 |
| InkBlob | lol | 08:30 |
| JayDugger | An attractive personal trainer? | 08:30 |
| InkBlob | or maybe a one-shot research into amazon forest in search of fountain of youth from some plant. | 08:30 |
| InkBlob | not gonna work.... | 08:31 |
| Utopiah | aka anything but IRC debatting :-# | 08:31 |
| JayDugger | As consolation, there exist some good on-line nutrition trackers right now: fatsecret.com, Calorie Counter, Libra, etc. | 08:31 |
| JayDugger | Utopiah: ouch. you said it, and the truth hurts. Back to work for me. | 08:31 |
| InkBlob | how about... cloned organ replacement? | 08:31 |
| InkBlob | that's possible... even now, if you had many many millions over right? | 08:32 |
| InkBlob | theoretically, if you replace the aging organs in your body with fresher ones... | 08:32 |
| InkBlob | you would live longer? lol | 08:32 |
| klafka | maybe... | 08:32 |
| klafka | unless cancer got you | 08:32 |
| Utopiah | InkBlob: you've watch SF movies recently? | 08:33 |
| klafka | or alzheimers | 08:33 |
| klafka | or parkinsons | 08:33 |
| InkBlob | Utopiah. ALWAYS. | 08:33 |
| Utopiah | because that sounds like Repoman | 08:33 |
| InkBlob | what a age we live in aye? | 08:33 |
| InkBlob | on the verge of discovering -longevity of human beings- | 08:34 |
| InkBlob | and yet, some of us will have to pass away early. | 08:34 |
| Utopiah | http://www.cyberpunkreview.com/movie/cyberpunk-theme/repo-men/ | 08:34 |
| InkBlob | yeah i watched that lol | 08:34 |
| InkBlob | repomen was about artificial organs though. not cloned. | 08:34 |
| InkBlob | the island was about cloned organs. | 08:35 |
| Utopiah | right; it ends better :-# | 08:35 |
| parolang | InkBlob: Honestly, I don't see us on the verge of discovering longevity of human beings. | 08:35 |
| InkBlob | you know what guys, i'm betting that somewhere out there, some corporate billionaire figured out a way of lenghtening the human lifespan unnaturally- | 08:36 |
| InkBlob | albeit illegally in some way | 08:36 |
| InkBlob | hahaha | 08:36 |
| InkBlob | we just dont know | 08:36 |
| parolang | InkBlob: A lot of what you hear is no different than what people have always said, people have always sought a drug, a magic potion, or a spell to increase their lifespan, life forever. | 08:36 |
| InkBlob | parolang, i meant on the verge as in... 25 to 50 years from now | 08:37 |
| InkBlob | i know parolang, but consider the advancement of technologies we have. | 08:37 |
| parolang | InkBlob: Maybe 200 to 300 years from now. Maybe never. | 08:37 |
| InkBlob | we are about to manipulate individual cells- or affect them effectively at some point | 08:38 |
| InkBlob | you could not have said that 100 years ago | 08:38 |
| klafka | we can already manipulate individual cells | 08:38 |
| Utopiah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_of_Youth | 08:38 |
| InkBlob | "effectively" | 08:38 |
| klafka | we have been able to do that for like 20 years | 08:38 |
| InkBlob | in a mass number | 08:38 |
| klafka | umm...we've been able to do that.... transfection and transformation | 08:38 |
| InkBlob | say like.... bunch of microscopic bots replacing damaged cells? maybe in 50 years yes why not | 08:39 |
| InkBlob | or something rudimentary at least | 08:39 |
| klafka | yes something like that is poss | 08:39 |
| InkBlob | point is, nothing like in that precision was ever possible in human history. | 08:39 |
| kanzure | O_O | 08:39 |
| InkBlob | more like vaccination and injection...... | 08:39 |
| kanzure | what the hell are you smoking | 08:39 |
| Utopiah | maybe, maybe not; in both situation I recommend you keep your own system working at its best independantly | 08:39 |
| InkBlob | Utopiah = yes | 08:40 |
| InkBlob | kanzure: you talking to me? | 08:40 |
| kanzure | sort of | 08:40 |
| kanzure | it sounds like you aren't aware of labs? | 08:40 |
| kanzure | just wondering | 08:40 |
| InkBlob | i don't know much. i'm just an imagineer :P | 08:40 |
| kanzure | maybe i'll just read the backlog. one sec. | 08:41 |
| klafka | InkBlob, like a disney imagineer | 08:41 |
| klafka | ? | 08:41 |
| kanzure | yeah the "artificial life for the first time" thing isn't really true. it's just amazing PR work | 08:41 |
| klafka | y ep | 08:41 |
| kanzure | InkBlob: re: anti-aging, http://designfiles.org/papers/longevity/ might be informative | 08:41 |
| kanzure | klafka: imminst.org is ok but don't trust any of their abilities to do experimental design (they are terrible at it) :) | 08:41 |
| klafka | aah | 08:42 |
| klafka | i haven't read the place in like years | 08:42 |
| InkBlob | thanks i'll save it in my list. researching extensively. i Belive! i want to believe! | 08:42 |
| klafka | i used to try and get diets from there | 08:42 |
| klafka | but it alll seemed so ad-hoc | 08:42 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: genescient thought you were too old? what's the age cut off? i could talk with greg benford for you.. | 08:42 |
| kanzure | InkBlob: i know a few people doing stem cell therapy experiments for longevity *right now* if you're interested | 08:42 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: the methusaliraity or whatever always makes me think of "halarity" :) | 08:43 |
| InkBlob | wow. i knew it. yeah like i knew people somewhere were doing something | 08:43 |
| InkBlob | i'd appreciate it if you would give me some links kanzure. i am researching everyday. | 08:43 |
| kanzure | i don't think we need many millions. maybe just a handful would be nice :/ | 08:44 |
| InkBlob | i would say safely, at least 100 million. | 08:45 |
| kanzure | wtf | 08:45 |
| kanzure | nah | 08:45 |
| InkBlob | IDK lol | 08:45 |
| kanzure | so i think everyone in here would be onboard with me doing an xprize team | 08:45 |
| klafka | for? | 08:45 |
| kanzure | well that's the hard part ;) | 08:45 |
| kanzure | i need an excuse to dump a few million dollars (ugh) | 08:46 |
| parolang | Go to the moon! :) | 08:46 |
| InkBlob | kanzure, can you show me some links on that stem cell therapy experiments for longevity? I would like to read about it. i think you are spot on. | 08:46 |
| kanzure | ooh | 08:46 |
| klafka | hmmm | 08:46 |
| kanzure | InkBlob: actually there aren't that many links on it, but the designfiles.org longevity paperdump contains a lot of the information | 08:46 |
| kanzure | especially in the .txt files | 08:46 |
| InkBlob | oh great alright i will read it. | 08:46 |
| kanzure | also, livly.org has john schlodernlodnfsacx or whatever (i can never get his name right) doing some stem cell related research IIRC | 08:46 |
| parolang | InkBlob: Yeah...I think if you manage to finish that designfiles.org directory...then you'll be ready for more :D | 08:47 |
| parolang | There's a *lot* of stuff in there. | 08:47 |
| InkBlob | wow you guys know so much | 08:47 |
| kanzure | OR we're just REALLY good at bullshitting | 08:47 |
| InkBlob | saving every important liners in text. | 08:47 |
| parolang | I don't know anything. I'm just paging through the directory :D | 08:47 |
| klafka | behold, the secret to longevity! http://i.imgur.com/rvcvD.jpg | 08:48 |
| InkBlob | well, either way, it's better than nothing kanzure. lol | 08:48 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: have you used etacts, rapportive, silentale, curecrm, networkhippo, gist, or xobni? | 08:48 |
| JayDugger | So etacts and rapportive-- | 08:48 |
| JayDugger | I've used those. | 08:48 |
| kanzure | klafka is a certified genius | 08:48 |
| JayDugger | They both work as advertised, but leave me kind of underwhelmed. | 08:48 |
| JayDugger | Not as cool as you'd think. | 08:49 |
| kanzure | i'm still moving forward (slowly) on 1kfriend.ly | 08:49 |
| kanzure | etacts.com wasn't as cool as i thought it would be, yeah | 08:49 |
| kanzure | curecrm.com has this nice feature for automated follow-up emails (not just telling you to send an email, but also actually sending it for you) | 08:49 |
| InkBlob | klafka is a genius? | 08:49 |
| JayDugger | Etacts has a similar feature that I've not used. | 08:49 |
| kanzure | InkBlob: i was joking | 08:49 |
| kanzure | InkBlob: look at the link klafka dropped | 08:49 |
| kanzure | as the "secret" to longevity | 08:49 |
| InkBlob | make us fountain of youth! | 08:49 |
| klafka | although the fact remains kanzure ;P | 08:49 |
| kanzure | pfft | 08:49 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: i really don't like their bulk email feature :/ | 08:50 |
| kanzure | i forget.. did i pitch 1kfriendly to you? | 08:50 |
| JayDugger | That's clever. | 08:50 |
| JayDugger | Yes, you did. | 08:50 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/meetlog.txt | 08:50 |
| kanzure | basically now that i have tags for each person, i can write content for each tag | 08:50 |
| kanzure | and then automatically compile personalized emails for each recipient | 08:50 |
| InkBlob | hmm so far... the most plausible is TA-65 therapy, stem cell therapy, and... cryonics. ok | 08:50 |
| InkBlob | lol | 08:51 |
| kanzure | InkBlob: also brain-in-a-jar stuff | 08:51 |
| JayDugger | Oh? | 08:51 |
| JayDugger | Now that sounds useful. | 08:51 |
| * kanzure nods | 08:51 | |
| kanzure | i figured that i was writing too many emails | 08:51 |
| kanzure | and when i did write a long email, i would have to send it to someone else too | 08:51 |
| kanzure | but it was too personalized, or something | 08:52 |
| kanzure | so i would end up spending even more time touching it up | 08:52 |
| InkBlob | brain in a jar? can cells live outside of the body? | 08:52 |
| kanzure | InkBlob: petri dishes? | 08:52 |
| InkBlob | no, i mean like you said, in somekind of jars? | 08:52 |
| JayDugger | Heh. A familiar problem. I had to write most letters twice when I served in the Navy. One for family, and one for friends. | 08:52 |
| InkBlob | with liquid? i've seen animations about it. | 08:52 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: exactly :) | 08:52 |
| JayDugger | I tried xobni, but it costs money now and I don't use Outlook any more than I can help. | 08:52 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: try this: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/1kfriend.ly.pdf | 08:53 |
| kanzure | yeah xobni is about to be acquired by microsoft for a few million O_o | 08:53 |
| JayDugger | Open outlook, scan inbox, delete, act-archive-hold, delete, repeat until inbox count=0. | 08:53 |
| JayDugger | That should only take ten minutes or so--unless I have to write a report. | 08:53 |
| kanzure | wait so do you actually use outlook? | 08:54 |
| JayDugger | Only at work. No other option. | 08:54 |
| InkBlob | are you guys somesort of internet marketing geniuses? | 08:54 |
| JayDugger | Not me. | 08:54 |
| JayDugger | Just frustrated with email. :) | 08:54 |
| kanzure | heh | 08:55 |
| kanzure | and i just hate people | 08:55 |
| kanzure | together, we're an awesome duo | 08:55 |
| InkBlob | whats with mass emailing | 08:55 |
| JayDugger | Rapportive has plug-ins, which is nice. | 08:55 |
| kanzure | InkBlob: i have too many friends | 08:55 |
| InkBlob | oh | 08:55 |
| InkBlob | ok | 08:55 |
| JayDugger | Say you go on vacation, and you want to write a letter home. | 08:55 |
| kanzure | InkBlob: here's people that i talk with regularly, and when: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/meetlog.txt | 08:55 |
| kanzure | now imagine trying to keep up with all of them | 08:55 |
| kanzure | and imagine trying to remember what you have told to each of them | 08:55 |
| kanzure | it gets difficult | 08:55 |
| JayDugger | Your friends might like to know how the liquor was, but your parents might not want to know you've been inside a bar. | 08:56 |
| JayDugger | (This will vary with your exact situation.) | 08:56 |
| JayDugger | Both might want to see the best picture from that day. | 08:56 |
| InkBlob | wow you keep a list of people you speak to cool | 08:56 |
| kanzure | not only that, but you might otherwise be spending many hours per day writing emails | 08:56 |
| kanzure | *type type type* | 08:56 |
| InkBlob | looks like somekind of programming language or software... | 08:56 |
| JayDugger | If you have not two groups, but several intersecting groups, the problem worsens. | 08:57 |
| InkBlob | result of software... | 08:57 |
| kanzure | InkBlob: it's http://yaml.org/ | 08:57 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: people-who-know-about-transhumanism, people-who-know-programming, people-who-don't-like-uploading, uh.. | 08:57 |
| JayDugger | How do you write the right sort of letter to everyone, skipping no one, and not burdening people with undue or indiscreet details? | 08:57 |
| JayDugger | Right. | 08:57 |
| kanzure | so i should just sit down and right the basic demo | 08:58 |
| kanzure | do a paragraph for maybe 5 different tags | 08:58 |
| InkBlob | wow you folks are awesome bullshitter or really advanced or likely both. | 08:58 |
| kanzure | and then show a bunch of different people with an assortment of tags | 08:58 |
| InkBlob | i like it! | 08:58 |
| kanzure | sadly i think this might be best done in a browser with javascript, actually | 08:58 |
| JayDugger | When I was in the military: siblings, Mom, Dad, friends from high school, military buddies, girlfriend, etc. | 08:58 |
| kanzure | i like how mom/dad is a separate category | 08:58 |
| kanzure | ha ha | 08:58 |
| kanzure | or maybe boo hoo :( | 08:58 |
| JayDugger | Oh, they're divorced. | 08:58 |
| kanzure | how'd you learn about rapportive? | 08:59 |
| JayDugger | My Dad had worked in Thailand, and what he knew about the country wasn't what I planned on repeating to my mother. | 08:59 |
| JayDugger | Twitter, I think. | 08:59 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: i'm inviting you into a mailing list for 1kfriend.ly | 08:59 |
| klafka | LOL | 08:59 |
| kanzure | i'm trying to keep it relatively closed so that if it does become a business i'm ok | 08:59 |
| kanzure | closed in the sense that not everyone can view the archives | 08:59 |
| JayDugger | Duly noted. | 08:59 |
| kanzure | anyone else in here is welcome too | 09:00 |
| kanzure | but jay seems to already be using these products anyway | 09:00 |
| klafka | link dead kanzure | 09:01 |
| kanzure | which link? | 09:01 |
| klafka | 1kfriend.ly | 09:01 |
| kanzure | yeah i haven't actually bought it yet | 09:01 |
| kanzure | $70/year | 09:01 |
| InkBlob | i've got quite a few reading to do. what a new world i've found on IRC wow. thanks, kanzure, you are the host of heybryan.org right? | 09:01 |
| klafka | wow expensive | 09:01 |
| kanzure | but i do have a prototype web server | 09:01 |
| kanzure | InkBlob: yeah i'm heybryan.org | 09:01 |
| klafka | i just bought some domains yesterday | 09:01 |
| kanzure | i bought say.io a few days ago | 09:02 |
| kanzure | and promisepyramid.com for some weird pyramid scheme idea | 09:02 |
| InkBlob | ok awesome | 09:02 |
| klafka | lol | 09:02 |
| kanzure | it's a pyramid scheme of promises :x | 09:02 |
| kanzure | i'll do x if you get 2 friends to do y | 09:02 |
| JayDugger | Rapportive--no, that was readwriteweb. | 09:02 |
| kanzure | and then each person does the same thing when they agree | 09:02 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: http://groups.google.com/group/1kfriendly | 09:02 |
| kanzure | the mailing list was created a few months ago, but i haven't been sending much stuff that way | 09:03 |
| JayDugger | Ah, here we go;; | 09:03 |
| JayDugger | Rapportive calls its plugins "Raplets." | 09:03 |
| JayDugger | http://rapportive.com/raplets | 09:03 |
| kanzure | i'm thinking a first prototype of 1kfriend.ly would just be a gmail.com oauth plugin thing | 09:04 |
| kanzure | that pastes content into your email for you, just for starters | 09:04 |
| kanzure | and then in the future it might do automated behind the scene mailing | 09:04 |
| kanzure | kind of like "canned responses" | 09:05 |
| JayDugger | I use a Raplet that shows what political contributions a contact has made, and whether or not they're a registered lobbyist. (US Only, public data). | 09:05 |
| kanzure | huh | 09:05 |
| kanzure | do you uh | 09:05 |
| JayDugger | I'd rather have one that searched Google Groups. | 09:05 |
| kanzure | talk with a lot of lobbyists? | 09:05 |
| JayDugger | http://sunlightlabs.com/blog/2010/public-data-your-email/?c=7789 | 09:05 |
| JayDugger | Not really. | 09:05 |
| kanzure | so that doesn't really come in handy then, does it | 09:05 |
| JayDugger | It just was the first Raplet I learned about. | 09:05 |
| JayDugger | No, not really. | 09:05 |
| kanzure | heh | 09:06 |
| klafka | lol | 09:06 |
| klafka | but you never know! | 09:06 |
| klafka | it may someday | 09:06 |
| JayDugger | By the time I've a contact, I can usually guess his or her political leanings. | 09:06 |
| kanzure | my political space isn't a 2D grid but instead a topology manifold with some weird asymptotes that you have to watch out for | 09:06 |
| kanzure | s/political space/political spectrum/ | 09:06 |
| JayDugger | Right--if the FAA inspector at work contributes to Party X, I remember to avoid politics with double intensity. | 09:06 |
| kanzure | yeah you got to watch out for Party X, for sure | 09:07 |
| JayDugger | I shut up because he cares. :) | 09:07 |
| parolang | Party X is evil :) | 09:07 |
| kanzure | the X is a dead give-away | 09:07 |
| JayDugger | Only our detractors say so. The X symbolizes the common ground of our union, the mutual interests best served by us, your public servants. | 09:08 |
| JayDugger | Can Party Y, with their non-intersecting logo, say that? | 09:08 |
| kanzure | ycombinator party? | 09:08 |
| JayDugger | And Party Z, well--you're just throwing away your vote. | 09:08 |
| JayDugger | I imagine ycombinator throws good parties, but I don't know. | 09:09 |
| parolang | The zipper party :) | 09:09 |
| JayDugger | Hmm...there might be more than I first saw, yes. | 09:09 |
| JayDugger | Anyhow, good night, everyone. The sun is up, I better go to sleep before it's too late. | 09:09 |
| kanzure | good night | 09:09 |
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| Utopiah | (Medicine 2.0: Social Networking, Collaboration, Participation, Apomediation, and Openness | Eysenbach | Journal of Medical Internet Research http://www.jmir.org/2008/3/e22/ Gunther Eysenbach 2008 | 09:55 |
| InkBlob | awesome. i wonder if i can buy medical equipments through these networks should i have the money | 10:01 |
| InkBlob | or does a person need a medical license for a ct scanner? | 10:02 |
| Utopiah | (rather poor conlcusion, auto-promo of the journal and its conf) | 10:02 |
| Utopiah | InkBlob: eh... you think you can do better than an MD with a scanner? | 10:02 |
| Utopiah | somebody is watching DrHouse a little bit too much IMHO ;) | 10:03 |
| InkBlob | no, i think i can do better at playing around with the device and doing mischievious things. | 10:03 |
| InkBlob | it prolly costs 500k | 10:04 |
| InkBlob | stem cell therapy wow i didn't know about that | 10:05 |
| InkBlob | it sounds plausible | 10:05 |
| InkBlob | i want to know more and more | 10:05 |
| Utopiah | you didn't know about stem cell? | 10:07 |
| InkBlob | i knew about it but not therapies | 10:09 |
| Utopiah | maybe you could start a price/efficiency/risk table | 10:10 |
| InkBlob | whats that? organization list? | 10:14 |
| InkBlob | kanzure please give me some referrels, you sounded like you knew them personally. | 10:15 |
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| InkBlob | i just bought a gtx 480 graphic card~ | 11:24 |
| klafka | nice | 11:29 |
| InkBlob | maybe i can use it on cad... | 11:34 |
| InkBlob | is there such thing as a circuit board scanner ? | 11:35 |
| InkBlob | what do you know, there is.. | 11:44 |
| InkBlob | i am watching ace ventura pet detective. | 11:45 |
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| kanzure | InkBlob: i do know them personally but i'm hesitant to just blatantly drop names | 12:17 |
| kanzure | like uh.. why do you want to know | 12:17 |
| kanzure | some of them are in here, so if you just talk a lot, i'm sure they will pipe up | 12:17 |
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| InkBlob | oh i just wanted to see their website and the processes they're using, in hopes of understanding it. is all... | 12:56 |
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| kanzure | looks like joseph has finally set a date | 13:29 |
| kanzure | http://opensciencesummit.com/ | 13:29 |
| kanzure | july 29-31 | 13:29 |
| kanzure | fuck | 13:29 |
| kanzure | oh wait, no that works | 13:29 |
| klafka | not a very big conference eh | 13:30 |
| klafka | this seems very cool, but can't afford it :( | 13:31 |
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| kanzure | klafka: if you want i could ask the organizer to help you out on the fees | 14:00 |
| klafka | mm <_< maybe, the more troubling issue is the plane flight since that's like 300 bucks | 14:02 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: thanks for coming through for me on the DLL injection stuff :) | 14:19 |
| QuantumG | np | 14:19 |
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| kanzure | yet another one :( | 15:28 |
| kanzure | http://tinyurl.com/StructorySurvey | 15:28 |
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| kanzure | hmm http://www.brainpreservation.org/documents/proposalforbrainpreservationtechnologyprize.pdf | 15:56 |
| QuantumG | so long as reanimation remains the problem for the future it'll never happen.. cause it'll always be the future | 16:09 |
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| DTrejo | hey kanzure, david.daniel.trejo@gmail.com | 17:10 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 18:05 |
| kanzure | does home depot do midnight runs? | 18:05 |
| JayDugger | Do they deliver, or do they stay open late? | 18:05 |
| kanzure | open late | 18:05 |
| JayDugger | I think they close at 2100. | 18:05 |
| kanzure | blah | 18:05 |
| JayDugger | Perhaps 2200. | 18:05 |
| kanzure | useless! | 18:05 |
| JayDugger | Yeah...try Wal-mart. They usually stay open late. | 18:06 |
| kanzure | "yes i'd like 3200 sq ft of acrylic" | 18:06 |
| JayDugger | Oh... | 18:06 |
| kanzure | "uhh this is wal-mart" | 18:06 |
| * kanzure is up to something | 18:06 | |
| JayDugger | Home Depot might not stock that much. | 18:06 |
| kanzure | we'll see. | 18:07 |
| JayDugger | Have you transportation enough for all that? | 18:07 |
| kanzure | i can arrange it | 18:07 |
| kanzure | just.. not within an hour ;) | 18:07 |
| JayDugger | That seems like a second constraint. | 18:07 |
| kanzure | it's a fake constraint, i don't have to do it tonight really | 18:08 |
| JayDugger | Ah. Then I'll get back to my coffee. | 18:08 |
| * kanzure just updated http://designfiles.org/~bryan/music/trance and http://designfiles.org/~bryan/music/eurodance.txt | 18:09 | |
| JayDugger | How did you generate those lsits? | 18:10 |
| kanzure | i listen to internet radio and write down stuff i really like | 18:10 |
| JayDugger | Simple and effective. | 18:10 |
| kanzure | last.fm does scrobblizing for me though, but it doesn't accept radio stuff :/ | 18:11 |
| JayDugger | http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2003 | 18:12 |
| JayDugger | ESR praises Pandora by listing bands he's (re)discovered. | 18:12 |
| kanzure | hahah esr listens to death metal | 18:12 |
| kanzure | that amuses me. | 18:14 |
| JayDugger | Yeah, and prog-rock, and jazz-fusion. | 18:15 |
| JayDugger | And Ozric Tentacles. | 18:15 |
| JayDugger | What do you use for a music player under linux? | 18:20 |
| JayDugger | (Yes, yes--$0.02 for the off-topic jar.) | 18:20 |
| kanzure | mplayer and xmms | 18:23 |
| JayDugger | Really? | 18:23 |
| kanzure | xmms 1.2.10 | 18:23 |
| JayDugger | Yes, it has the great advantage of working. I liked the Amarok 1.4, but haven't found anything to replace it. | 18:26 |
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| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 20:29 |
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| kanzure | http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/c6kd6/i_am_one_of_the_creators_of_the_first_synthetic/ | 21:02 |
| kanzure | http://www.rhok.org/ random hacks of kindness "hacking for humanity" | 21:07 |
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| kanzure | hi Arthur | 21:07 |
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| Arthur | whats up brian | 21:07 |
| Arthur | wait | 21:07 |
| Arthur | bryan* | 21:07 |
| Arthur | :P | 21:08 |
| kanzure | this is kind of lame: http://www.rhok.org/problem-definitions/full-list/ | 21:08 |
| kanzure | not much | 21:08 |
| kanzure | except maybe this one: http://www.rhok.org/problem-definitions/full-list/credibility-of-the-human-sensor/ | 21:08 |
| kanzure | hahah | 21:09 |
| kanzure | transhackerism | 21:09 |
| genehacker | what are you transitioning to ? | 21:09 |
| kanzure | transhacker.org is available | 21:10 |
| Arthur | buy it | 21:11 |
| -!- Arthur is now known as thur | 21:11 | |
| genehacker | dowmain squat it! | 21:11 |
| kanzure | i recently bought say.io and promisepyramid.com | 21:11 |
| genehacker | promise pyramid? | 21:11 |
| thur | you gotta build a portfolio | 21:11 |
| kanzure | yeah it's a pyramid scheme for microdecisions | 21:11 |
| kanzure | it's basically a startup completely about excitement | 21:12 |
| genehacker | how much do domains costs? | 21:12 |
| fenn | transbryanism | 21:12 |
| kanzure | the idea is that each person gets 10 more people excited | 21:12 |
| thur | $10 | 21:12 |
| kanzure | i don't know what the exit strategy is, but i'm super excited about it | 21:12 |
| kanzure | yeah about $10 | 21:12 |
| kanzure | ferric: meet fenn | 21:13 |
| kanzure | fenn: meet ferric | 21:13 |
| genehacker | ferric as in chloride? | 21:13 |
| fenn | ferric: your name also begins with fe | 21:13 |
| fenn | now we must fight to the death | 21:14 |
| kanzure | and then a double consonant | 21:14 |
| kanzure | ah you know the rules of irc well | 21:14 |
| kanzure | you'll die when you learn he has ferretic.net | 21:14 |
| fenn | hah | 21:14 |
| kanzure | so uh | 21:15 |
| kanzure | what is my presentation at h+ summit going to be about | 21:15 |
| kanzure | something about diy transhuman tech | 21:15 |
| QuantumG | not getting any h+ in the last year? | 21:15 |
| kanzure | http://hplussummit.com/bishop.html | 21:16 |
| genehacker | propose a home dna synthesizer | 21:16 |
| kanzure | propose? | 21:16 |
| * fenn mumbles something about actually doing some research | 21:16 | |
| kanzure | WHAT!@ | 21:16 |
| kanzure | actual work?! | 21:16 |
| genehacker | yeah.... | 21:17 |
| QuantumG | can't you outsource that? | 21:17 |
| fenn | you can, actually | 21:17 |
| genehacker | yeah you can | 21:17 |
| kanzure | i've been trying to make you guys do it | 21:17 |
| kanzure | god damn it | 21:17 |
| kanzure | it's not working | 21:17 |
| genehacker | what research? | 21:17 |
| ferric | o hai. | 21:17 |
| ferric | greets, fenn | 21:17 |
| kanzure | ferric: fenn might be more crazy than i am. http://fennetic.net/sleep/ | 21:18 |
| ferric | i don't have ferretic.net - i do have ferric.net | 21:18 |
| genehacker | IRC FIGHT! | 21:18 |
| kanzure | ew dreamhost | 21:18 |
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| ferric | it's cheap and stuff :-) | 21:19 |
| ferric | genehacker: no, ferric as in iron in the +3 oxidation state :-) | 21:19 |
| ferric | chloride would make a compound not an isotop | 21:20 |
| genehacker | well fuck windows I have to go burn a boot disk | 21:20 |
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| kanzure | why does he have to log off to burn a disc? | 21:21 |
| ferric | kanzure: terry built a graph of his introductions: http://jon.es/other/introductions.png | 21:21 |
| QuantumG | use a usb | 21:21 |
| kanzure | ferric: oh shit :) | 21:21 |
| ferric | but he is super connected now. | 21:22 |
| QuantumG | lot of names with no links | 21:22 |
| QuantumG | must not remember who introduced him | 21:22 |
| fenn | i saw mark carranza's associative database thingy at maker faire, it's pretty cool | 21:22 |
| kanzure | i wonder what "super connected" means | 21:23 |
| kanzure | and whether or not i have a saturated graph or not | 21:23 |
| fenn | i wish people would warn me before linking to an 11000 pixel png | 21:23 |
| kanzure | WARNING WARNING | 21:23 |
| kanzure | ferric: so, i log introductions data too | 21:24 |
| kanzure | but if i was to generate a graph like that | 21:24 |
| kanzure | it would be pretty lame | 21:24 |
| kanzure | a lot of the people that i get introduced to, don't introduce me to further people | 21:24 |
| kanzure | oh he was introduced to Tim O'Reilly? | 21:26 |
| kanzure | isn't that cheating | 21:26 |
| kanzure | he was introduced to Tim O'Reilly by Esther Dyson? | 21:26 |
| kanzure | definitely cheating | 21:26 |
| kanzure | hm actually i have 415 "via: " lines (introductions) in my log | 21:28 |
| kanzure | is that a lot? | 21:28 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/via_lines.txt | 21:28 |
| fenn | that introductions thing is cool, i should start doing that | 21:37 |
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