2010-06-07.log

--- Day changed Mon Jun 07 2010
fenndammit, it's not like i go look up things like "nullification fetish" on my own.. *grumble*00:07
* fenn woke up today to the sounds of "the human centipede", confused, thinking it was my brother's girlfriend00:08
splicershe sounds like fun00:10
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bkerohuman centipede?01:12
bkeroIs she segmented?01:13
jrayhawkha ha the reviews seem more entertaining than the movie would be01:19
jrayhawk"The star rating system is unsuited to this film. Is the movie good? Is it bad? Does it matter? It is what it is and occupies a world where the stars don't shine." -- Roger Ebert01:19
jrayhawkKanzure: If you want more rapidly scalable storage space, you might get the OSUOSL folks to host you, but I don't know exactly what their policies are on personal or ambiguously licensed stuff.01:21
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droid2Good morning, everyone.02:30
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Utopiah( Your Brain on Computers - Attached to Technology and Paying a Price - NYTimes.com http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/technology/07brain.html )06:09
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Utopiahwhat the... http://www.cyberpsychology.eu/06:28
YocttarQuestion : is there any way to artificially synthesize a DNA sequence? (with computers\mechanics\electronics only)06:44
Yocttaror my question refers to what venter did? ^^06:45
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Yocttaryep I guess that's it, so what did venter use ? :P06:47
UtopiahYocttar: might want to check http://www.dna.caltech.edu/~pwkr/ too06:48
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Yocttarty06:57
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kanzureYocttar: there's a way to chemically construct DNA from scratch07:09
kanzurebut it is painfully slow07:09
* nsh wonders what the approximate figure of organisms in the biosphere is07:11
kanzure107:12
kanzureyou're doing it wrong07:12
kanzurejrayhawk: thanks :)07:12
kanzureand yeah, the ambiguity needs to be accounted for07:13
YocttarWell, the question is - if I live in Africa, will it be faster for me to build a chemical synthesizer and synthesize a specific _known_ DNA strand or make all the usual stuff (electrophoresis, PCR) to extract the same strand ?07:35
Utopiahwould probably be faster to move to Europe :-#07:35
Yocttarof course, but I like africa07:36
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kanzurehello Jericho 07:49
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Jerichohey kanzure, this is Trooem. forgot to change nick.07:57
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Trooemsent you a email... check it out man...07:58
kanzureyes i read it. i haven't replied yet07:58
Trooemokay07:58
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kanzuretechtrends: shanzhai http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=28409:04
kanzurei think that article was posted a while back, no?09:04
kanzurehttp://shan-zhai-ji.blogspot.com/09:04
kanzurehttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5151FW20090206 "Sham glam" sweeps China as fakes get trendy09:04
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kanzurehey, who among you is still in the boston area?09:40
kanzurewhere'd wrldpeace go09:40
kanzurehm why do i only know 50 people in the boston area10:03
fennonly 50 you say10:09
fennwhat did trooem want?10:10
kanzurehe wants to use my money to fund his next crazy scheme10:26
kanzureand he wants to move in with me10:26
kanzureha ha10:27
kanzurecool, mac is helping me organize a little boston event after the conference10:27
kanzurethere's just too many people otherwise to try to hang out with10:28
kanzure"unh+" or h-?10:28
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kanzurehi Alystair10:40
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kanzurehi hundred-ideas 10:41
hundred-ideasyo10:41
kanzurethanks for taking me up on the scheme10:41
* Alystair renames self hundred-ideas^aleph10:41
hundred-ideasI think it's a good idea10:42
Alystairwhat are you up to now kanzure10:42
kanzureAlystair: planning for boston10:42
kanzuretrying to get everyone in roughly the same spot10:42
kanzureso that i can actually meet everyone :)10:42
kanzureit's been like.. three years10:42
hundred-ideasso could we get endorsement for the meetup from the h+ organizers10:43
kanzureyeah i sent them an email asking10:43
hundred-ideasand what's a catchy name?10:43
kanzurethe organizers are likely to agree10:43
hundred-ideash+10:43
hundred-ideasH=10:44
hundred-ideash++10:44
hundred-ideasunh+10:44
hundred-ideashahaha10:44
kanzurebut they probably won't attend (busy kissing ass that has more money than they do)10:44
kanzurehmm10:44
kanzureH+ Plummet10:44
hundred-ideasHPlummet10:44
kanzurehah10:44
kanzurehplu + plummet / summit / met10:44
kanzurehas everything necessary10:44
hundred-ideasok ship it10:44
kanzurehah10:45
hundred-ideasits perfect.10:45
hundred-ideasso are you rocking a beard in that photo?10:45
kanzurenah that's not me10:45
AlystairH+ Summit10:45
fennso here's an idea, put craistlist ads on a friggin map!10:45
kanzurei'm on the right here: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/photos/2010-05-21_hurricane-party.jpg10:45
kanzurecontext: hundred-ideas is talking about http://designfiles.org/~bryan/photos/puma560/2010-05-28_puma500.jpg10:46
hundred-ideasfenn: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=craigslist+apartment+map+mashup10:48
hundred-ideasso should we try and get some light snacks / drinks for the h+beer meetup thing?10:49
kanzurehundred-ideas: can you update the google invite invitation to have the hplummet name and a short one line description10:49
kanzurei guess. how much money should i drop on it?10:50
hundred-ideaswell we could take donations10:50
hundred-ideasit depends10:50
hundred-ideaswill anyone there want to drink beer or skip dinner?10:50
kanzuredunno10:50
kanzuresome of the organizers have dinners with stephen wolfram and ray kurzweil, so they will definitely not be skipping out on dinner10:51
kanzureas for the others.. who knows10:51
kanzuresometimes there's an after party that is pre-scheduled, but i haven't seen anything about that yet10:51
kanzurecool, alex lightman is showing up too10:54
kanzureso there you go, organizer endorsement10:54
hundred-ideasgreat11:06
hundred-ideasI propose we get light snacks and some beers & soda11:06
kanzurei'm only 20, am i allowed to purchase/consume beer in MA?11:06
hundred-ideasI'm sure we could work something out depending on the space hosting11:07
kanzurecan you change the google calendar invite deets?11:09
kanzurei wonder why i don't know anyone at harvard11:10
hundred-ideashplummet is sort of negative sounding....11:14
kanzurehplus discuss?11:16
kanzurewe could just go with a generic "diyh+" to emphasize the citizen science aspect11:17
hundred-ideasthat's a good idea11:17
Alystaireveryone's distracted by iphone 4 announcement11:17
hundred-ideasand it touches on the unofficial nature of the event11:17
hundred-ideashaha11:17
hundred-ideasyeah11:17
AlystairI do not enjoy apple stuff normally but it's a nice piece of kit so far ;/11:17
Alystairthat pixel density is insane11:18
hundred-ideasI like h+beer personally11:18
hundred-ideasor h+talk11:18
hundred-ideasbut whatever11:18
hundred-ideasthe name is just aname11:18
kanzureh+talk sounds fine to me..11:18
hundred-ideasok11:18
kanzurehmm i need to tell you about my "adopt a lab rat" schemes11:19
kanzureone of these days.11:19
hundred-ideash+us11:20
kanzureheh :)11:20
hundred-ideasmy girlfriend suggests 11:24
hundred-ideasbeer+11:24
hundred-ideashaha11:24
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kanzurethat's ok with me, but where is the beer coming from11:25
hundred-ideaswhich name is more attractive to the demographic we are inviting?   h+us or h+beer?11:25
kanzurei have no idea11:26
hundred-ideaswe can get $100 of beer and just put a little donation jar out11:26
kanzureokay11:26
hundred-ideasbtw is the puma5000 made of lasercut wood?11:32
kanzureno, it's metal11:32
kanzurebut i'm considering doing a laser cutter kit down here in austin11:33
kanzurei hae someone with a machine shop who wants to build it with me11:33
kanzuresomething like <$1k price tag11:33
kanzurewe figure we can do the co2 laser for $600, the rest is just some extra electronics and acrylic parts11:33
kanzure*have11:33
kanzurealso i might redo the parts of the arm in acrylic so that it will be "see through" (somewhat)11:34
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hundred-ideascool11:42
hundred-ideasso are you going to present some progress on minifluidics at h+?11:43
kanzurea little bit. not primarily11:43
kanzurethat's not the primary topic, i mean11:44
kanzurei was hoping to have something i could demo, but that didn't happen in time11:44
hundred-ideasah bummer11:49
hundred-ideaswell I still haven't tried anything yet11:50
hundred-ideaswith minifluidics I mean11:50
kanzureactually.. maybe i will have time to cut something out real fast11:53
kanzureeverything has been working lately, i should be able to give it a e to give it a go11:53
fennhum the new iphone is really only $200? or is that $200 + your soul11:58
fennah, soul not included11:59
fenn(needs 2 year contract)11:59
kanzurethe 2 year contract is like $2k in total or something12:05
Yocttar"laser cutter kit" ? RepRap like stuff? any link?12:07
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kanzureYocttar: no link yet :)12:23
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lepton_oops, looks like I'm still logged in at home13:22
phryklepton_ and lepton sitting on a tree... I broke my funny bone.13:23
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lepton__wow, I recommend not using a 3G network as the only internet connection in your full time workspace13:24
lepton__Anyway, any thoughts or opinions on the Purple Platypus / BitsFromBytes Panther/BFB3000 3d printer?13:25
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kanzurefenn: let's talk in here about the cgal/opencsg stuff13:28
fennok13:29
kanzurereimplementing opencsg is probably a bad idea, yes13:29
kanzurebut some wrappers might be hawt13:29
kanzurei think STEP supports breps, btw13:30
fennso, to recap you wanted someone to write a plugin for openscad to export STEP13:30
kanzureso instead of exporting primitives you can export the bounded representations13:30
kanzureeither the plugin for OpenSCAD->STEP or a python-based CSG library (like a wrapper for OpenCSG) that can export to STEP13:30
fennok but why not just do python bindings for opencsg?13:31
kanzureyeah that'd be okay too, given a STEP export13:31
fennso, er, uh.. what does openscad do that opencsg doesn't do?13:31
lepton__sorry for jumping in without context, but why use step files for input to OpenCSG, when STEP files drop any sort of parametric associations to geometric primitives?13:32
fenni dont really know what it's capable of, apparently: http://rocklinux.net/pipermail/openscad/2010-February/000222.html13:32
kanzurewhy would i know that13:32
kanzurei don't want STEP for input to OpenCSG13:32
fennstep is for output13:32
fennit's a less lossy data exchange than STL13:32
kanzurei want some easy way for doing CSG stuff in python, plus export to STEP13:32
lepton__gotcha13:32
lepton__and yeah, step >> STL13:33
kanzurediybio t-shirt order form http://www.etsy.com/listing/48631562/diybio-t-shirt-preorder?ref=em13:33
fennbtw i've changed my mind, your idea on using genetic algorithms or whatever to match primitives up to an STL actually might work13:34
kanzureif by work you mean "cause your eyes to bleed" then, yeah13:34
fennafter reading about k-means and expectation maximization i saw how it could work13:34
fennEM is basically a special case of curve fitting13:35
lepton__are you guys familier with hypervolume based multiobjective optimization alrogithms?13:35
lepton__like HyPE?13:35
fennno13:35
lepton__Jelle from pythonOCC turned me on to it, good papers from Ziztler not too long ago13:35
lepton__which would provide computing time bounds on primitive fitting of an STL13:35
kanzurehawt13:36
lepton__http://www.tik.ethz.ch/sop/publications/?page=searchAlg.php13:36
fenni dont care about time bounds, it just has to be reasonably tractable13:36
lepton__yeah, but when you're dealing with geometric nonlinearity it's an order of magnitude game where computing time can really really mater13:36
lepton__Optimization like that is why I need pythonOCC to work in Ubuntu ;)13:37
lepton__or rather the PAF13:37
fenndammit, i knew i should have taken a photo of that powerpoint slide13:39
fennnever believe someone when they say they'll have slides up eventually13:40
kanzureit's a lie13:40
kanzureespecially when it's a video of their talk13:40
fennoh i found something close enough13:40
fennhttp://astrostatistics.psu.edu/su09/lecturenotes/image/kmall.png13:40
fennok see the red dot and blue dot, those are the means13:41
kanzurePA?13:41
kanzure*PCA13:41
kanzure*principal component analysis13:41
fennthe blue dot gets dragged to the right because most of the little blue dots are on the right13:41
fennwe'd do something similar but with triangles and surfaces instead of big dots and little dots13:41
fenni guess i need to explain the diagram13:42
fennthe line between the red and blue dots is how you classify little dots13:42
fennit's the line of equal distance between the means (big dots)13:42
fennat each step in the algorithm you move the big dot to the center of the little dots and then reclassify the little dots13:43
kanzurei need to run around town real quick.. but i'm glad you like my idea finally :P13:43
kanzure(also, i've considered hiring cheap asian labor to just redo STL files in brep formats)13:43
fennthat's not scalable13:44
fennor open source :P13:44
hundred-ideaskanzure: how many folks do you think will come to the h+beer?14:25
hundred-ideasor h+us14:26
hundred-ideas5, 15, 50 ?14:26
kanzureless than 50, but more than 514:26
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hundred-ideasOne option is for me to reserve a bar in harvard square for 30 or so people14:45
kanzurewhat would be the deadline on that reservation?14:45
hundred-ideasI also live about 15 minutes away and so we could host at my house14:45
kanzuredeadline on making hte reservation, i mean14:45
hundred-ideasbut it has the downside of requiring a short ride on the T14:45
hundred-ideasNot sure about reservation deadline... probably pretty soon14:46
kanzurewhat's the minimum number of people to make the reservation? is there any?14:46
hundred-ideasI think it becomes flexible after you hit 20+14:49
hundred-ideasor so14:49
hundred-ideasBut if we go with a local bar, some of the crowd will be expected to buy drinks (ok with me), but they might not allow underage folks in14:49
hundred-ideasI'll call14:50
kanzureheh, that would be terribly ironic14:50
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hundred-ideashmm14:59
hundred-ideasnothing too promising there14:59
hundred-ideaswith 30+ people we should rent the whole bar.14:59
hundred-ideasIf the organizers wanted to throw down $1000 we would be all set :)14:59
hundred-ideasI'll put that on the backburner and look for free spaces15:00
kanzureoh we'd have to put down money? that sucks15:00
hundred-ideasOne option is to just show up with a bunch of people15:01
hundred-ideasbut we might not really be able to mingle very well15:01
hundred-ideasthe other option is to reserve the whole bar15:01
hundred-ideasI'll look for other, cooler spaces15:01
kanzurei think just showing up makes sense to me.. "we're the geeks"15:01
kanzureokay15:01
hundred-ideasbut gotta run15:01
kanzurecya15:01
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kanzurehundred-ideas: ok looks like we might have the official ok from the event organizers15:25
kanzurethey had some people trying to organize something but apparently that failed (?)15:25
hundred-ideascool!15:28
hundred-ideaswell15:28
hundred-ideasI will continue to look for a cool venue in Harvard Sq today and tomorrow15:28
kanzureso uh15:29
kanzuredoes diybio-boston have any lab space yet15:29
kanzurebecause that might be appropriate15:29
hundred-ideasyes it's at sprout15:30
hundred-ideasIn Davis Sq, which is also where my house is15:30
hundred-ideasSometimes sprout is booked up.  It's a local hackerspace.  But if not, that would be a fine place to do it15:31
genehackermake sure to tell them about the need for an agar factory and Thermophilus aquaticus restriction enzymes that can be grown in E.coli...15:31
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hundred-ideasIs agarose that expensive?15:32
genehackerno15:32
hundred-ideasrather, is agarose very expensive relative to the cost of purifying it from agar?15:32
genehackerwe want to make diybio seed15:33
kanzurehundred-ideas: heather knight just emailed oyu some stuff she's been looking into15:33
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kanzurerialto, upstairs, bambara, dante?15:33
kanzuredo any of these sound like anything to you15:33
kanzureoh she was looking for private dining15:34
hundred-ideasyeah those look like very nice upscale dining places15:36
kanzurelet's try for something less expensive :P15:36
hundred-ideashow did she figure out no-go on the media lab?15:36
hundred-ideasI have some friends there...15:36
hundred-ideasbut I bet it would take more than a weeks notice to get it sorted out15:37
hundred-ideasI'll still ask15:37
hundred-ideasdo you know anything about possible demos and interactive art?15:38
hundred-ideasthat would be really cool15:38
hundred-ideasare there folks interested in bringing that to the venue?15:39
kanzuredunno, i haven't heard anything about that until now15:39
kanzureshe might have been talking about the art collective15:39
kanzurei don't know if there will be any demo stuff at the conference though15:39
hundred-ideascollision collective is  cool.  They are very dynamic as a group.15:40
hundred-ideasI don't think they exist between the semi-annual show they organize.15:40
hundred-ideasThere is no collision collective, only collision collective 1, collision collective 2, ... collision collective 11, etc.15:41
kanzurehuh15:41
hundred-ideasAnd the loosely-knit group of artists who do it15:43
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hundred-ideashey so we should put together a url w/ deets15:58
kanzureyes15:58
hundred-ideasor at least with a placeholder for deets15:58
kanzuredavid orban is asking for one15:58
kanzurecan you do a blog post on diybio.org maybe? that way you can edit it15:58
hundred-ideasthat might be best15:59
hundred-ideasor I can just throw up some static html at hplusbeer.com15:59
kanzureheh15:59
hundred-ideasor we could use http://www.mobaganda.com/hbeer16:00
kanzuremy internet connection is too slow today for me to let that load :/16:00
hundred-ideasK I'll get it working at diybio.org/hplusbeer16:02
hundred-ideasgosh I hate our wordpress theme16:06
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kanzurehundred-ideas: http://fivesecondtest.com/16:07
hundred-ideasoh yeah!  cool16:08
kanzureor http://99designs.com/16:08
hundred-ideasmaybe I'll work on the design tonight16:09
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kanzurei need a css front-end guy, btw16:13
kanzureif you know anyone.. potentially who also does jquery, that'd be hot16:13
hundred-ideasnice ok16:15
hundred-ideashttp://diybio.org/hplusbeer/16:15
hundred-ideashows hurricane labs btw?16:16
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hundred-ideasbryan, you want to email david & alex that the url is up 16:22
hundred-ideasalso how do you feel about disquss?16:23
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hundred-ideaserr, I mean disqus16:24
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genehackerummm kanzure there's another skdb out there: http://www.steorn.com/skdb/16:27
genehackerby steorn the perpetual motion scam company16:27
kanzureyeah i'm aware of it16:41
kanzurehundred-ideas: what's disquss?16:41
kanzurehundred-ideas: hurricane labs? the iphone app thing?16:41
kanzurei guess i'll tell you about what happened in person :/16:42
kanzureor we could just talk about more interesting things16:43
kanzureupdated: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/meetlog.txt (last update was 2010-05-25)16:56
kanzurecrap i'm late for class http://mysite.verizon.net/tedgoertzel/Singularity2010.html17:01
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kanzurehttp://sanantonio.craigslist.org/bfs/1693938523.html18:31
kanzure8inch chunk18:31
kanzureabout 4 tons18:31
kanzure11ft long lathe18:31
genehackerwell it's not a battleship cannon lathe, so we'll have to find something bigger18:36
kanzurecannon lathe? fire ahoy?18:36
kanzurelike.. you fire the lathe out the cannon?18:36
genehackerno as in for making battleship cannons18:36
genehackerbattleship cannons are obsolete technology18:37
kanzureaha18:37
genehackerthey've been replaced by missiles18:37
genehackeror are they?18:37
kanzurehonestly i think a cannon that fires lathes would be more effective18:37
genehackerthe navy is working on railguns18:37
kanzureespecially with a lathe that weighs 4 tons18:37
genehackerheh just like that fab book with a fab made of carbon nanotubes that could withstand being shot into another country18:38
genehackerblast what was the name of that...18:38
genehackerah kiosk18:41
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kanzurehi egeste_ 18:53
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JayDuggerGood evening, everyone.19:01
kanzurehello jay19:01
JayDuggerReady for next weekend's talk, kanzure?19:04
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kanzureJayDugger: yep :)19:25
JayDuggerGood, good.19:26
kanzurewill you be present?19:26
kanzurein the audience?19:26
kanzureor cheering on the stream viewers in here?19:26
kanzurehttp://hplussummit.com/streaming.html19:27
JayDuggerI won't attend in the flesh, but might watch the proceedings live.19:27
JayDuggerThank you for the link. Do they have a public calendar?19:28
JayDuggerCheering on the viewers sounds like fun. What twitter hashtag, or has that become passe in favor of identica or Google Wave or Teleplace or the novelty de jour?19:29
genehackerthis is hplussummit, why don't they have robot avatars you can "be" there?19:30
JayDuggerDidn't make a convincing case for Willow Robotics as a sponsor?19:31
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QuantumGyou just gotta get SU onboard and the robots come free20:02
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QuantumG.. and if you want SU onboard, all you have to do is make lots of noises about exponential change20:02
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genehackerwhat's SU?20:16
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QuantumGSingularity University20:25
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Trooemhttp://mydisguises.com/ko/2008/05/02/amazing-fan-made-iron-man-costume/21:32
Trooemthere's another guy made warmachine outta actual metal. wow......21:32
QuantumGtubby21:32
Trooemyup21:32
Trooemlike me.21:33
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* Trooem is really a genius in disguise. Muah hahahahahaha!21:53
* Trooem is going to USA! Wooo WHoooo!21:57
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* Trooem is playing dreamfall longest journey. Anyone played this game?22:14
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