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| Utopiah | http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2010/06/consumer_genomics_company_snaf_1.html they do talk a lot about the importance of security but in the end... | 03:28 |
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| splicer | right now they probably have a customerbase that's likely to spot the error | 03:58 |
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| Utopiah | splicer (for the log and others) you mean the early adopters are probably more security conscious than the mass of customers they expected to ave in few years? | 04:34 |
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| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20080522131012/http://www.mel.nist.gov/msidstaff/sauder/SCL.htm | 06:03 |
| kanzure | The NIST STEP Class Library | 06:03 |
| kanzure | stalk: David Sauder, K.C. Morris, David Rosenfield, Don Libes, Joshua Lubell, Peter Denno | 06:04 |
| kanzure | hm actually i think i already know of josh lubell | 06:06 |
| kanzure | http://www.jsdai.net/ | 06:17 |
| kanzure | http://www.scientificblogging.com/riseofthecitizenscientist | 06:25 |
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| kanzure | heh supe.rs is available | 07:15 |
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| fenn | 07:41 | |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 07:52 |
| kanzure | hi jay | 08:05 |
| kanzure | 420,000 live viewers of the stream from the conference last year? | 08:13 |
| JayDugger | Huh? | 08:13 |
| kanzure | that sounds unreasonable | 08:13 |
| JayDugger | I doubt it. | 08:13 |
| kanzure | hmm | 08:13 |
| kanzure | it's what lightman claims | 08:13 |
| JayDugger | 4200? | 08:13 |
| kanzure | heh, let me check | 08:13 |
| kanzure | "What took me completely by surprise was how much fun people would have both in the conference and outside, how many people watched the live streaming (420,000!), and how much love people expressed for each other, and how many times people thanked me for the experience." | 08:14 |
| JayDugger | I don't think the conference had enough scantily clad sex objects for that number. | 08:14 |
| kanzure | i don't think it had the *infrastructure* for that | 08:14 |
| JayDugger | No destination, no road, no way? | 08:15 |
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| JayDugger | Well, who knows? I'd like to think the conference had that many different viewers and not just that many reconnections. | 08:19 |
| splicer | I was one of 40 people watching the Singularity University graduation... considering all the hype... I thought that was kindof funny. | 08:23 |
| kanzure | does anyone have info on, or opinions of, the "oil sands leadership initiatie" | 08:31 |
| kanzure | *oil sands leadership initiative | 08:31 |
| fenn | arent oil sands universally recognized as a waste of time? | 08:31 |
| kanzure | it's a consortium between ConocoPhillips Canada, Nexen, Statoil Canada, Suncor, Total E&P Canada | 08:32 |
| fenn | can i get ready-made vibration dampers for nylon webbing? | 08:33 |
| JayDugger | Top Google result for oil sands leadership initiative lead to a slide show of the Alberta Water Research Institute. | 08:34 |
| fenn | hmm maybe i can also use it as an electrical generator | 08:34 |
| * fenn pats self on back for obvious insight | 08:34 | |
| JayDugger | fenn--could you use the plastic coated lead rings for glassware in chemistry labs? | 08:34 |
| fenn | no | 08:34 |
| fenn | this is to keep my belt pack from bouncing excessively | 08:35 |
| JayDugger | Add a second strap at the bottom of the pouch. | 08:35 |
| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 09:02 |
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| fenn | In at least three states (Illinois, Massachusetts, and Maryland), it is now illegal to record an on-duty police officer even if the encounter involves you and may be necessary to your defense, and even if the recording is on a public street where no expectation of privacy exists. | 09:53 |
| splicer | They passed the same law in the UK last year | 10:00 |
| splicer | on another topic: from http://lifeboat.com/ex/quotes "It is important to remember that technology breeds crime, it always has . . . it always will." | 10:07 |
| kanzure | splicer has been looking for crime in biopunk since day one :P | 10:10 |
| splicer | biopunk is love | 10:12 |
| splicer | kanzure: you had problems with the lifeboat foundation once? | 10:13 |
| kanzure | sort of :P | 10:18 |
| kanzure | they thought i was going to destroy the wortld or something? | 10:18 |
| kanzure | *world | 10:18 |
| kanzure | anyway, they want me to be on their advisors board now (which isn't a big deal- they'll ask anyone that breathes) | 10:18 |
| kanzure | http://hackfwd.com/ | 10:21 |
| splicer | there is a #biopunk channel here on freenode btw | 10:39 |
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| fenn | i read the original article.. it's not a new law, just a clever (read: stupid) interpretation of the old laws, with increased action by police and somehow being upheld by the courts there | 11:06 |
| kanzure | hm i thought "the singularity is near" showed up in my mail because h+ summit was just sending all the speakers the book | 11:07 |
| kanzure | but it turns out my mom sent it to me? | 11:07 |
| fenn | lol | 11:07 |
| fenn | "dear bryan, you should find out more about this kurzweil guy, love mom" | 11:07 |
| splicer | his mom doesn't like him? | 11:08 |
| fenn | they are extra snarky | 11:08 |
| kanzure | commentary on ray: http://heybryan.org/fernhout/ | 11:09 |
| kanzure | who knew? most effective cat toy evar: http://www.hoodbreght.com/phpBB3/ZenCart/images/blank_koozie.jpg | 11:10 |
| fenn | has it been eaten in entirety? | 11:11 |
| kanzure | almost | 11:11 |
| kanzure | he gets it stuck to his claws | 11:11 |
| kanzure | and then he runs around all hilariously in a only-a-cat-could-do-that way | 11:11 |
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| phryk | :D | 11:56 |
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| hundred-ideas | hey | 13:43 |
| hundred-ideas | kanzure: you areound? | 13:43 |
| fenn | "The only real deadline in life is the one where you actually die." | 13:47 |
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| splicer | slacker | 13:51 |
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| bkero | fenn: My array of shell corporations tradin stock in each other and commiting minor acts of fraud is automated and will run even after my death. | 14:16 |
| drazak | bkero: :D | 14:16 |
| bkero | Each has a board of directors, comprised entirely of intelligence routines from other shell corporations. | 14:17 |
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| kanzure | hundred-ideas: yeah i'm around now | 14:45 |
| kanzure | i was playing with my laser cutter | 14:46 |
| hundred-ideas | great | 14:46 |
| kanzure | lol at sham laser on/off switch | 14:46 |
| kanzure | it doesn't do anything | 14:46 |
| hundred-ideas | hahah | 14:46 |
| kanzure | laser just keeps on trucking | 14:46 |
| bkero | kanzure: What is controlling it? | 14:46 |
| kanzure | magic smoke | 14:46 |
| bkero | lol | 14:46 |
| hundred-ideas | so sprout is a confirmed as a venue for the h+beer meetup | 14:46 |
| bkero | I meant do you have a computer doing some toolpath stuff? | 14:46 |
| hundred-ideas | are we gonna do it? | 14:46 |
| bkero | Also how the fuck did you get a free laser cutter? | 14:46 |
| * bkero would give his left nut for one. | 14:46 | |
| kanzure | bkero: it was not free | 14:47 |
| kanzure | i bought it | 14:47 |
| bkero | Oh | 14:47 |
| hundred-ideas | did you get an Epi? | 14:47 |
| bkero | Aren't those things thousands of dollars? | 14:47 |
| hundred-ideas | a Zing? | 14:47 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: universal laser cutter | 14:47 |
| kanzure | bkero: yes.. i have funding, remember? | 14:47 |
| bkero | Oh, nice. | 14:48 |
| bkero | Hackerspace? :) | 14:48 |
| kanzure | yeah i'm in the shop at the moment | 14:48 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: sprout sounds fine | 14:48 |
| kanzure | where is sprout relative to harvard university science center? | 14:48 |
| bkero | Sweet | 14:48 |
| hundred-ideas | here's the route: http://bit.ly/hplusbeermap | 14:48 |
| hundred-ideas | and what do you mean, "universal laser cutter" | 14:49 |
| kanzure | that's the brand | 14:49 |
| hundred-ideas | are you channeling some universal laser or something? | 14:49 |
| kanzure | yeah it's from the aether | 14:49 |
| kanzure | wait, no | 14:49 |
| hundred-ideas | oh haha | 14:49 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/images/laser_cutter.jpg | 14:49 |
| hundred-ideas | I want to get one. I was thinking about the Epi Zing | 14:50 |
| genehacker | did you figure out how to cut that fluidic amplifier kanzure? | 14:50 |
| hundred-ideas | Is the ULC better? | 14:50 |
| Ian_Dani1er | the h+ meetup is at sprout? win! | 14:50 |
| * Ian_Dani1er waves | 14:50 | |
| Ian_Dani1er | btw, I'm a Boston-area maker & college student, doing interesting startup & hardware hacking work | 14:51 |
| bkero | Howdy bosonite. | 14:51 |
| bkero | bostonite | 14:51 |
| bkero | Or is it a Bosonian? | 14:51 |
| kanzure | genehacker: yes | 14:51 |
| hundred-ideas | awesome, Ian_Dani1er, I'm local to davis sq. I'm working on a diybio meeting for the 23 of june, but I want to meetup sooner than that | 14:51 |
| hundred-ideas | you free to come to the h+beer meetup on Sat night? | 14:51 |
| Ian_Dani1er | yep | 14:52 |
| Ian_Dani1er | I'll be there | 14:52 |
| Ian_Dani1er | hundred-ideas: I hung out at sprout when I was staying in cambridge a few weeks ago, waiting for Olin to re-open for summer session. | 14:52 |
| kanzure | oh you're at olin. my grandma wanted me to go there (so i didn't) | 14:52 |
| Ian_Dani1er | hundred-ideas: really slick space. None of the DIY-Bioers were around concurrently, though :( | 14:53 |
| Ian_Dani1er | kanzure: bad excuse. :P | 14:53 |
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| Ian_Dani1er | hundred-ideas: I'm more of a DIY-chem person, with a strong interest in biohacking | 14:54 |
| bkero | Fancy Boston schools | 14:54 |
| Ian_Dani1er | aka interested in half-past everything | 14:54 |
| Ian_Dani1er | kanzure: where did you wind up? | 14:54 |
| hundred-ideas | I wish I had known about olin when I was applying to schools. Awesome place. | 14:54 |
| hundred-ideas | I want to know more about microchemistry | 14:54 |
| Ian_Dani1er | bkero: meh, Olin is a fancy [almost-free] Needham school | 14:54 |
| Ian_Dani1er | not quite the same thing ;) | 14:54 |
| Ian_Dani1er | hundred-ideas: Where're you learning? | 14:55 |
| bkero | Ian_Dani1er: It's fancy compared to our west coast state colleges. :P | 14:55 |
| hundred-ideas | Ian_Dani1er: I'm done already. Studied w/ Malcolm Campbell at Davidson college. | 14:56 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: can you update http://diybio.org/hplusbeer/ | 14:56 |
| hundred-ideas | yes I sure can | 14:57 |
| hundred-ideas | I have to run to a meeting now but I will later tonight | 14:57 |
| kanzure | kk | 14:57 |
| Ian_Dani1er | hundred-ideas: fair enough, though from the sounds of ti, you're anything but done learning :P | 14:58 |
| hundred-ideas | ha ha yeah sometimes I wonder why I spent time and money going to college | 14:58 |
| hundred-ideas | gtg | 14:58 |
| hundred-ideas | see ya guys | 14:58 |
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| kanzure | someone needs to learn 'screen' | 14:58 |
| Ian_Dani1er | hundred-ideas: go run to the meeting, but I'll def. try and make the next DIYBio meetup | 14:58 |
| Ian_Dani1er | 'screen -xa' = win. | 14:59 |
| bkero | screen -DRU | 15:00 |
| Ian_Dani1er | running irssi on my arch-linux server, displaying on my second monitor on my windows machine and my laptop simultaneously | 15:00 |
| bkero | I'm running ZNC on my colocated server and attached with irssi from another server, a notification program on my laptop, and my cell phone. All with native IRC clients. | 15:02 |
| ferric | znc++ | 15:03 |
| Ian_Dani1er | znc? | 15:03 |
| Ian_Dani1er | ah, just a IRC bouncer | 15:04 |
| Ian_Dani1er | neat | 15:04 |
| Ian_Dani1er | I'll have to check it out. | 15:04 |
| bkero | It's pretty good. Linode is just shit though, I"ve had it go down three times in the last few months. | 15:06 |
| bkero | Since all my communication is done over it, that kind of downtime is unacceptable. | 15:06 |
| kanzure | Ian_Dani1er: two monitors? pussy. here's jrayhawk: http://heybryan.org/shots/inspiration/notstevebutjoe/IMG_0872.thumbnail.JPG | 15:07 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: where's that file on your server, anyway? | 15:08 |
| kanzure | well, i guess i mean IMG_0872.JPG | 15:08 |
| kanzure | since heybryan.org is slower than <something that would be insulting> | 15:08 |
| Ian_Dani1er | http://heybryan.org/shots/inspiration/notstevebutjoe/IMG_0872.thumbnail.JPG | 15:08 |
| kanzure | hm? | 15:08 |
| Ian_Dani1er | bah, -1 to PUTTY | 15:08 |
| kanzure | windows? :( | 15:09 |
| Ian_Dani1er | it treats right click as paste on windows. | 15:09 |
| Ian_Dani1er | How else am I going to use my fancy solidworks? | 15:09 |
| kanzure | by routing the dll files through python and randomly guessing at the API parameters? | 15:10 |
| kanzure | http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/solidworks.py | 15:10 |
| kanzure | :) kidding | 15:10 |
| kanzure | don't do that | 15:10 |
| kanzure | unless you're insane | 15:10 |
| Ian_Dani1er | ahaha, that's wonderful. | 15:11 |
| Ian_Dani1er | I've been meaning to learn openscad | 15:11 |
| kanzure | i'm hiring out someone to write python wrappers to OpenCSG | 15:11 |
| kanzure | openscad depends on CGAL, which has some funky license restrictions | 15:11 |
| Ian_Dani1er | it appeals to my programmer / FOSS ethos | 15:11 |
| kanzure | anyway, for whoever ends up writing the python OpenCSG wrappers, | 15:11 |
| kanzure | i'm going to also have them do a STEP export feature | 15:11 |
| kanzure | no more of these stupid meshes | 15:11 |
| kanzure | the more people bug me to do this, the faster it will get done | 15:12 |
| kanzure | i can't wait until i can do openscad-stuff via python | 15:12 |
| Ian_Dani1er | Double points for bugging you about it in person? | 15:12 |
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| Ian_Dani1er | kanzure: yeah, python is my language of choice as well. it'd be awesome. | 15:13 |
| Ian_Dani1er | 3d python objects... need a new datatype? | 15:15 |
| * bkero might know some python programmers for hire. Good ones. | 15:16 | |
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| hundred-ideas | back actually | 15:25 |
| kanzure | Ian_Dani1er: yes, double points :) | 15:29 |
| kanzure | bkero: send 'em over | 15:29 |
| kanzure | paul was actually thinking of doing it | 15:30 |
| kanzure | i've been offering about $1k to just get it done for me | 15:30 |
| kanzure | for some reason i haven't done it | 15:30 |
| bkero | kanzure: I'll let them know :) | 15:30 |
| kanzure | and the penalty for not doing it on time (for me) is to spend money to have it happen | 15:31 |
| kanzure | presumably spending money makes me feel bad | 15:31 |
| kanzure | so maybe i'll learn my lesson? | 15:31 |
| QuantumG | kanzure, did ya see http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/06/08/1746225 | 15:31 |
| kanzure | huh | 15:31 |
| kanzure | "does this mean the ladies need to turn in their cotton?" i <3 slashdot | 15:33 |
| QuantumG | yes, "love" | 15:33 |
| kanzure | no no, just less than3 | 15:34 |
| kanzure | not love | 15:34 |
| QuantumG | DIY oil cleanup.. get on that | 15:34 |
| kanzure | actually, i might be getting some funds from some canadian oil companies | 15:34 |
| QuantumG | you can utilize the out-of-work fishermen labor | 15:34 |
| kanzure | http://www.slideshare.net/humanityplus/hessel | 15:34 |
| QuantumG | and sell all the oil you pull out of the bay | 15:34 |
| QuantumG | hmm.. I just saw a tweet with a location tag | 15:35 |
| kanzure | okay, time to close up the shop before AHS goons get here | 15:36 |
| hundred-ideas | ahs? | 15:37 |
| genehacker | Austin Hacker Space | 15:37 |
| hundred-ideas | goons | 15:37 |
| hundred-ideas | nice. | 15:37 |
| hundred-ideas | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/930368578/openpcr-open-source-biotech-on-your-desktop | 15:37 |
| hundred-ideas | what OHL should they use? | 15:37 |
| Ian_Dani1er | stands for "Arts, Humanities, and Social Science" at Olin | 15:38 |
| Ian_Dani1er | I was confused. | 15:38 |
| QuantumG | so, nothing worthwhile | 15:38 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: i think that's josh perfetto | 15:38 |
| hundred-ideas | the ol' "open source" hardware license question | 15:38 |
| hundred-ideas | yeah I know | 15:38 |
| hundred-ideas | I saw them both at makerfaire | 15:38 |
| hundred-ideas | it exists. | 15:38 |
| kanzure | so it looks like i will be bringing some mini/microfluidics demos after all | 15:39 |
| kanzure | any requests? | 15:39 |
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| QuantumG | bioengineering on a chip | 15:44 |
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| hundred-ideas | COOL | 15:45 |
| hundred-ideas | WHAT'S THE DEMO? | 15:45 |
| hundred-ideas | oh man caps lock win | 15:45 |
| Ian_Dani1er | kanzure: do we have PCR minifluidics DIY'ed yet? | 15:45 |
| Ian_Dani1er | it looks like the maker-faire PCR box thermocycled a large reaction chamber | 15:46 |
| hundred-ideas | hey kanzure: I want to suggest a licensing framework for the openPCR guys in a blog post, do you have any updates on what the best practice is? | 15:46 |
| Ian_Dani1er | rather than taking a more efficient approach of pumping reactant through a series of hot-and-cold areas | 15:46 |
| * Trooem is eating sashimi/sushi. But would rather prefer fresh fish from the oceans caught from a mega-yacht. | 15:52 | |
| * bkero prefers ocean fish. | 15:53 | |
| bkero | Less dye in them. | 15:53 |
| Trooem | didn't know that... | 15:55 |
| bkero | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Painted_fish | 15:56 |
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| hundred-ideas_ | kanzure: http://diybio.org/hplusbeer/ | 16:01 |
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| genehacker | you need some demos kanzure? | 16:02 |
| genehacker | how about I send you the files for the fluidic amplifier thing | 16:03 |
| Trooem | i wonder if you can use dye to differentiate cells in the body, different types of it, and see in through computer... | 16:03 |
| genehacker | you mean use fluorescent proteins to see which genes are active in cells | 16:04 |
| genehacker | they already do that | 16:04 |
| QuantumG | but not on that scale | 16:05 |
| kanzure | back | 16:07 |
| kanzure | somehow i don't think mac's cap lock error above was an error | 16:08 |
| kanzure | it sounded just like him :P | 16:08 |
| Trooem | genehacker, i didn't know that. saw some documentery w/ cells unnaturally colored.. | 16:10 |
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| genehacker | you're on a mac kanzure? | 16:13 |
| genehacker | for iphone dev? | 16:13 |
| kanzure | no | 16:13 |
| kanzure | i am not on a mac | 16:13 |
| genehacker | one doesn't need a mac for iphone dev anymore? | 16:13 |
| QuantumG | psychologically? | 16:15 |
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| genehacker | sent you the fluidic amplifer kanzure | 16:32 |
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| QuantumG | flabenhausen | 16:35 |
| QuantumG | .. and other Dr Fink words | 16:38 |
| genehacker | flabenhausen? | 16:39 |
| genehacker | hmmm... I wonder if I could take advantage of the snooty audiophile market with fluidic sound amplification | 16:40 |
| genehacker | USES NO ELECTRICITY TO AMPLIFY SOUND! MAKES MUSIC MORE NATURAL SOUNDING! | 16:41 |
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| kanzure | hey what's the typical admin panel url for wordpress blogs | 16:57 |
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| kanzure | klafka: are you in boston? | 16:58 |
| kanzure | wait, rochester | 16:58 |
| kanzure | aha i think it's /wp-admin/ | 16:59 |
| QuantumG | yeah | 17:00 |
| klafka | rochester | 17:00 |
| kanzure | i spent a few hours today helping elevenarms build this: | 17:28 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/images/toolstache.jpg | 17:28 |
| drazak | w-t-f | 17:29 |
| bkero | Nice toolstache | 17:39 |
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| * Utopiah agrees, w-t-f | 17:39 | |
| kanzure | bkero gets it :) | 17:40 |
| bkero | Does he keep the stache in his pocket? | 17:40 |
| Utopiah | asks the officer | 17:41 |
| kanzure | no he keeps it on his face | 17:42 |
| kanzure | where it belongs? | 17:42 |
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| kanzure | hi JayDugger | 17:42 |
| kanzure | i spent a few hours today helping elevenarms build this: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/images/toolstache.jpg | 17:42 |
| ybit | i'll be @ the diy videoconf | 17:42 |
| ybit | too lazy to send an email | 17:42 |
| kanzure | you mean the weekly thing | 17:43 |
| ybit | yup | 17:43 |
| kanzure | cool, great | 17:43 |
| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone | 17:43 |
| Utopiah | anybody using http://mind.mx/ by Mark Carranza? | 17:44 |
| kanzure | so that's you, me, meredith, len, mac, ian, derek, at the very least | 17:44 |
| ybit | ya know...i proposed something like this to some fo the diybio folks here... an international diybio conference via second life | 17:44 |
| ybit | but i like the weekly meeting idea better... it's just like what the fab academy does without neil dictating the meetings | 17:45 |
| kanzure | heh | 17:45 |
| kanzure | instead, it's bryan dictating! | 17:45 |
| ybit | haha | 17:45 |
| kanzure | SILENCE! | 17:45 |
| kanzure | THERE WILL BE NO LAUGHTER | 17:45 |
| JayDugger | What does mind.mx do? | 17:45 |
| kanzure | *maniacal laughter* ok, maybe some | 17:45 |
| JayDugger | Bwa-ha-ha-ha! | 17:45 |
| kanzure | my maniacal laughter is the best ever | 17:45 |
| kanzure | you can't beat it | 17:45 |
| kanzure | it's because it comes from deep within the soul | 17:45 |
| kanzure | (or the belly) | 17:46 |
| Utopiah | JayDugger: I dont know yet, it's supposed to be some "personnal memory management" system | 17:47 |
| JayDugger | Have you asked for an invite, Utopiah? | 17:47 |
| ybit | i actually attended one of the fab lab academy meetings via teleconference a couple of months back, they aren't doing anything hackerspaces aren't | 17:47 |
| ybit | it was basic electronics questions | 17:48 |
| kanzure | oh look, ybit is around for once | 17:48 |
| kanzure | how are you? | 17:48 |
| ybit | ello | 17:48 |
| Utopiah | JayDugger: yes :/ he (mark) is a bit sick for now so he wont manage this for a week. Ill ask him again then but I was still curious to know if others tried it | 17:48 |
| ybit | kanzure: i'm grrreat! | 17:48 |
| Utopiah | (makes me think I need to tell him about FluidDB.info ) | 17:48 |
| ybit | the eleventh hackerspace meeting just finished here | 17:49 |
| Utopiah | and 1 hacker space died in paris tonight :\ | 17:49 |
| ybit | orly? what happened? | 17:49 |
| Utopiah | was in a squat and the eviction process (finally) got applied, closing on Monday | 17:50 |
| ybit | oh | 17:50 |
| JayDugger | Do you mean fluidinfo.com, Utopiah? | 17:50 |
| ybit | i thought that maybe it burned down or even better, blew up | 17:50 |
| Utopiah | JayDugger: correct | 17:50 |
| ybit | no burning after booms, just one big kaboom :) | 17:51 |
| ybit | is there anyway to make the meetings not be dictacted? | 18:02 |
| fenn | prefetto is wrong about the incandescent thermocycler ramp times | 18:02 |
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| ybit | hrm | 18:06 |
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| ybit | http://www.ted.com/talks/adam_sadowsky_engineers_a_viral_music_video.html | 18:06 |
| kanzure | fenn: dave suggests microgrants in increasing increments | 18:06 |
| kanzure | $50, $100, $200, $400, .. etc. | 18:06 |
| ybit | that guy sat beside you kanzure | 18:06 |
| ybit | just in case you forgot ;) | 18:06 |
| kanzure | adam? | 18:06 |
| kanzure | i thought he called himself atom | 18:07 |
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| * Jericho finds ridiculous he has gtx 480 vid card, 16 cores of 2.3 ghz amd and the result: he can't use it because of a faulty mobo... | 18:13 | |
| Jericho | need to RMA... | 18:13 |
| * Jericho also finds it to be incredible waste of money for his uses. | 18:14 | |
| drazak | lol | 18:18 |
| genehacker | well can you atleast simulate cellular automata on it? | 18:22 |
| Jericho | i don't even know whaat that is. | 18:24 |
| Jericho | should've got a core i7 and OC it for gaming. | 18:24 |
| Jericho | i'm using a laptop. sigh....... | 18:24 |
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| genehacker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_automaton | 18:26 |
| genehacker | Jericho I assume you must be new here | 18:26 |
| genehacker | a cellular automaton would basically be something that might run awesomely on a multicore computer | 18:26 |
| genehacker | oh you're trooem | 18:27 |
| genehacker | oops | 18:27 |
| QuantumG | one of the many reasons to dislike him | 18:28 |
| Jericho | don't hate me. lol. | 19:02 |
| Jericho | enjoy...... http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/wsshimtw/1503 | 19:03 |
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| kanzure | hm, openscad depends on OpenCSG but only for rendering? | 19:11 |
| JayDugger | This brings me closer to a zero exit status for "sudo skdb make-me nuclear-pulse-rocket" how? | 19:20 |
| JayDugger | Thought so. Get back to work! | 19:21 |
| kanzure | by getting people to type out parametric definitions of models in python, that are then converted to STEP models | 19:22 |
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| lepton | It's a worthy endeavour | 19:26 |
| JayDugger | You lost me at STEP models, kanzure. | 19:26 |
| kanzure | fenn: please check your inbox for paul's email. | 19:28 |
| kanzure | he doesn't understand the difference between meshes and solid geometry, it seems | 19:28 |
| kanzure | and thinks i should be labor slaving for makerbot users? wtf | 19:28 |
| kanzure | JayDugger: STEP is a standard for representing solid geometry CAD models | 19:29 |
| JayDugger | Thanks, kanzure. | 19:29 |
| kanzure | right now makerbot users are fine with meshes, because that's what the software interprets | 19:30 |
| kanzure | so it just "works" for them | 19:30 |
| kanzure | but meshes are not parametric | 19:30 |
| kanzure | it's like.. distributing a binary executable file instead of the source code | 19:30 |
| JayDugger | Can you derive a mesh from a parametric model? | 19:30 |
| QuantumG | yep | 19:30 |
| kanzure | absolutely! | 19:30 |
| QuantumG | doing the opposite is the hard thing :) | 19:30 |
| kanzure | what's really cool is that if you define some parts in STEP, you can go open it up in solidworks, heekscad, or whatever else you want | 19:31 |
| kanzure | and then manipulate the fundamental objects and stuff | 19:31 |
| JayDugger | The OpenSCAD page mentioned STEP, but lacked links to it. | 19:31 |
| kanzure | and the idea of openscad, or some csg/python framework, is that you could do this with python scripts | 19:31 |
| kanzure | openscad only generates meshes | 19:31 |
| kanzure | it's built on top of OpenCSG (for rendering) and CGAL (for the CSG in the background) | 19:32 |
| kanzure | but CGAL is not quite OSI-compatible | 19:32 |
| JayDugger | Right. It went over to heekscad, and others. | 19:32 |
| JayDugger | CGAL names a library for CSG? | 19:32 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:32 |
| kanzure | http://www.cgal.org/ | 19:32 |
| kanzure | "Computational Geometry Algorithms Library" | 19:32 |
| kanzure | http://opencsg.org/ is for *rendering* (via OpenGL IIRC?) | 19:33 |
| JayDugger | Got it. Thank you. | 19:33 |
| kanzure | me asking about writing openscad extensions: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_frm/thread/cd605a9f620ee07f/415f7a82cb4ec486 | 19:34 |
| kanzure | me asking about STEP/IGES export options for OpenSCAD: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_frm/thread/6938d4b4c3960c56/cdd30b4d2903d7a1 | 19:34 |
| kanzure | draft of a look and feel for a pythonic API for CSG | 19:34 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_frm/thread/df899cf6a8dd91c1/7e3d1a4b4ec53d43 | 19:34 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/csg.py | 19:34 |
| kanzure | now, the pythonocc guys will claim they have one in the works as well.. in the file, uh, Level2.py i think | 19:34 |
| kanzure | but it's never really got me interested | 19:34 |
| kanzure | cool, a pythonocc presentation to NASA: http://www.slideshare.net/tpaviot/pythonocc-pde2009-presentation | 19:36 |
| lepton | hey. that is cool! | 19:38 |
| kanzure | i'm hesitant to write any more code that depends on OCC | 19:39 |
| lepton | re: level2.py, are you referring to the PAF in general, or something more specific? | 19:39 |
| kanzure | OCC should be rewritten entirely | 19:39 |
| kanzure | there's a specific example file | 19:39 |
| kanzure | aha, Level2API.py | 19:40 |
| kanzure | http://www.designfiles.org/lab/opencascade/Level2API.py | 19:40 |
| kanzure | but it didn't feel very pythonic to me :P | 19:40 |
| kanzure | fenn and i did a better job IMHO with geom.py for some of our earlier SKDB work | 19:40 |
| kanzure | http://designfiles.org/skdb/geom/geom.py | 19:40 |
| kanzure | although Level2API.py is pretty thorough | 19:41 |
| JayDugger | Good night, everyone. | 19:42 |
| kanzure | night JayDugger | 19:42 |
| JayDugger | Thanks for the documented discussion, kanzure. | 19:42 |
| kanzure | hm? | 19:42 |
| JayDugger | The links? | 19:42 |
| kanzure | aha. no problem | 19:42 |
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| kanzure | haha i like the comments in Level2API.py | 19:44 |
| kanzure | #=============================================================================== | 19:44 |
| kanzure | # Curve.topology | 19:44 |
| kanzure | # Follows the CGAL Polyhedron API | 19:44 |
| kanzure | # Mimicking a halfedge topology | 19:44 |
| kanzure | # See: http://www.cgal.org/Manual/3.4/doc_html/cgal_manual/HalfedgeDS/Chapter_main.html | 19:44 |
| kanzure | #=============================================================================== | 19:45 |
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| kanzure | hi lepton | 19:45 |
| kanzure | it turns out Level2API.py was written and based off of CGAL (search for "CGAL" in Level2API.py for a good laugh) | 19:46 |
| lepton | So the issue with CGAL is it's license? | 19:50 |
| kanzure | yep | 19:50 |
| lepton | That's unfortunate | 19:51 |
| kanzure | did you see the toolstache? http://designfiles.org/~bryan/images/toolstache.jpg | 19:51 |
| kanzure | we laz0red that out today | 19:51 |
| lepton | Yeah, both here and on #emc :p | 19:52 |
| kanzure | hmm looks like we have a mole :P | 19:52 |
| lepton | gee, CGAL's n dimensional geometry kernel is pretty neat | 19:53 |
| kanzure | i like the inconspicuous industrial arm in the background in toolstache.jpg | 19:54 |
| kanzure | "just ignore that, citizen" | 19:54 |
| lepton | I want a laser cutter | 19:55 |
| kanzure | come to austin :) | 19:55 |
| lepton | it's next up on my list of three awesome tools to have | 19:55 |
| QuantumG | you can't cut a laser silly boy | 19:55 |
| lepton | Yes I can, with a partial mirror | 19:56 |
| kanzure | ooh | 19:56 |
| kanzure | you were just burned | 19:56 |
| lepton | or lots of gravity | 19:56 |
| kanzure | laz0r burned | 19:56 |
| * kanzure puts himself in the corner for a terrible pun | 19:56 | |
| * lepton puts on laser glasses | 19:56 | |
| bkero | !fire kanzure | 19:57 |
| kanzure | you can't fire me! i built this company up from nothing! | 19:57 |
| kanzure | back when fenn only had beans and rice to eat every day | 19:58 |
| bkero | Fenn still only has beans and rice. | 19:58 |
| gnusha | how's that any different from today | 19:58 |
| kanzure | ha | 19:58 |
| bkero | And this company is a shell company. | 19:58 |
| bkero | It has no real assets. Especially you. | 19:58 |
| * lepton is leaving for dinner | 20:01 | |
| Trooem | beans, rice, and i fish sometimes. | 20:01 |
| Trooem | anyone ever go hunting? | 20:01 |
| Trooem | game meat. mmmmmmm...... | 20:01 |
| Trooem | kanzure: hire me as a janitor. | 20:02 |
| Trooem | in your company. | 20:08 |
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| bkero | kanzure: could I get you to write up a little bit more of a formal proposal to give to my programmer friend? | 21:37 |
| Trooem | http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/funnyblog/1281959 | 21:47 |
| Trooem | poor keanu reeves. | 21:47 |
| QuantumG | "Hey Keanu, there's a woodpecker peckin' at your head." "Yeah, it comes and goes." | 21:51 |
| Trooem | did ya translate or are you korean> | 21:56 |
| QuantumG | neither, its from Family Guy | 21:56 |
| Trooem | ow | 21:57 |
| Trooem | http://kr.news.yahoo.com/service/news/shellview.htm?linkid=4&articleid=20100609083300166i6&newssetid=1352 | 22:03 |
| Trooem | giant transformers made outta truck parts. | 22:03 |
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