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| kanzure | morning | 09:00 |
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| kristianpaul | morning | 09:07 |
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| fenn | good 1276100500 to you sir | 09:22 |
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| fenn | i guess 100ks would be more appropriate | 09:24 |
| fenn | that'll teach me to think before i open my fat laptop | 09:24 |
| kanzure | i underestimated how long it takes to get a paper published | 09:32 |
| fenn | how long? | 09:33 |
| kanzure | well i did a paper with matt back in the beginning of 2009 | 09:33 |
| kanzure | and only now is ASME sending around copyright "please sign your soul" documents | 09:33 |
| kanzure | ok, sonia arrison also joining the conference call on the 16th | 09:49 |
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| fenn | now, spam in annoying, and phone spam is even worse, but could they at least configure the robot to speak english? | 10:19 |
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| kanzure | so, any ideas for what microfluidic thing i should do? | 11:03 |
| kanzure | i was thinking of a two-channel-turns-into-one thing for mixing two different dyes, then plastering that up against a second piece of acrylic and drilling some holes for screws | 11:04 |
| kanzure | commercial near-field induction for power transfer stuff: http://www.witricity.com/ http://www.ecoupled.com/ | 11:05 |
| Ian_Daniher | Just visited an injection molding facility. | 11:08 |
| Ian_Daniher | Pretty awesome stuff! Doesn't lend itself to DIYing, but still awesome. | 11:09 |
| fenn | any questions for robert lang (of computational origami fame) | 11:17 |
| fenn | you can DIY injection molds, don't be fooled | 11:17 |
| Ian_Daniher | sure, using a 3/4-axis CNC mill and a large chunk of Al, but how about DIYing the injection process? | 11:18 |
| Ian_Daniher | molten plastic / high pressure seems intimidating. Certainly not impossible, but it'd be quite a feat. | 11:19 |
| fenn | not at all | 11:19 |
| fenn | dave gingery wrote a book on it | 11:19 |
| fenn | you can buy a ready made desktop injection molding machine for about $3k | 11:20 |
| fenn | http://www.lindsaybks.com/dgjp/djgbk/inject/index.html | 11:20 |
| kanzure | and i have the book on heybryan.org somewhere if you can tolerate 1 kbps | 11:20 |
| kanzure | fenn: i guess if his "fold router" program thingy could be coerced into generating instructions for folding a particular shape or not. | 11:21 |
| kanzure | as i recall, it required significant user input to figure out how to fold something | 11:21 |
| kanzure | basically a "what's the coords that you want to fold a point to?" thing | 11:21 |
| kanzure | brb | 11:21 |
| kanzure | anyway, there should be no reason (as far as i can tell) why you couldn't just automatically spit out instructions for folding a specific pattern from the Tree app he wrote | 11:22 |
| fenn | treemaker | 11:22 |
| fenn | you mean crease patterns arent good enough? :P | 11:22 |
| fenn | i wonder why treemaker isn't in debian | 11:25 |
| Ian_Daniher | kanzure: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:heybryan.org+injection+plastic isn't turning up the book. | 11:29 |
| Ian_Daniher | if you know where it is off the top of your head, could you linkme? | 11:30 |
| fenn | prolly /books/Manufacturing/*ingery* | 11:34 |
| fenn | btw kanzure if you're about could you please powercycle tub? | 11:34 |
| fenn | off to SETI | 11:35 |
| fenn | i fucking love the bay area | 11:35 |
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| kanzure | hey eridu | 12:36 |
| kanzure | Ian_Daniher: ok, will do in a bit | 12:36 |
| kanzure | fenn: not at home right now. | 12:38 |
| eridu | kanzure: hey | 12:40 |
| eridu | I'm just a lurker on the diy{bio,h+} mailing lists, don't mind me... | 12:41 |
| kanzure | okay :) | 12:41 |
| kanzure | eridu: logs: http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt | 12:41 |
| eridu | kanzure: thanks | 12:42 |
| kanzure | hm: http://www.austinhackerspace.org/bylaws | 12:43 |
| Trooem | i want to go and see austin hackerspace..... | 12:52 |
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| Ian_Daniher | so shoutout thoughts on a hackerspace charging $50 monthly membership plus training fees for individual tools? | 13:15 |
| Ian_Daniher | IMO, defeats the purpose of a hackerspace. | 13:15 |
| Ian_Daniher | backstory: new startup Boston hackerspace has a membership fee which I philosophically disagree with but recognize as a necessity | 13:17 |
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| Noahj | Our hackerspace does that, but we're fledgling, I think the plan is to take a cut of sales on things created there | 13:30 |
| Noahj | I don't know if that business model works either | 13:31 |
| Noahj | Hackerspaces aren't businesses, though, maybe someday there'll be public funding and they'll be like libraries for physical objects | 13:31 |
| kanzure | Ian_Daniher: i think charging monthly sucks and should be done away with | 13:35 |
| Noahj | Some people come in often enough that it makes more sense than charging hourly | 13:36 |
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| Ian_Daniher | Noahj: Which hackerspace / how much, out of curiousity? And I really like the public funding bit, but have doubts and reservations. There's censorship on all library internet. Expanding that notion to fablabs terrifies me. | 13:45 |
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| Noahj | The AS220 lab charges $50/month and $16/hour | 14:31 |
| Noahj | Yeah, censorship on library internet makes me sad | 14:31 |
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| Trooem | everything should be free~. | 15:18 |
| Trooem | especially fast food. | 15:19 |
| Trooem | i have never been to disneyland. | 15:24 |
| Trooem | i wish to go there. | 15:24 |
| Trooem | mock me. lol. | 15:25 |
| Trooem | what are the chances of stem cells turning in to cancer? | 15:27 |
| Trooem | slim or high? | 15:27 |
| Trooem | or none at all? | 15:27 |
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| Trooem | what are the chances of stem cells turning in to cancer? | 15:43 |
| kanzure | http://groups.google.com/group/brightonhackerspace/browse_thread/thread/622010a02e7994b8 diybio brighton node | 15:44 |
| Trooem | kanzure, your emails aren't listed here publically for everyone to see right? is my info safe with you? | 15:48 |
| Trooem | i had no idea one can see into other people's emails... | 15:49 |
| kanzure | wut's going on here? http://web.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/GMU:Synthetic_Biology/PERFECT_BODY | 15:51 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurohacking | 15:53 |
| kanzure | hah the bavarians got onto the wikipedia article. how cute. | 15:53 |
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| Trooem | usable newro hacking imaging devices are still few decades away? i beg to differ. with money. | 15:55 |
| Trooem | ooooo simulated reality... | 15:55 |
| kanzure | neurohackers association http://www.neurohackers.com/ | 16:00 |
| kanzure | neat droplet microfluidics video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUw5808pohY&feature=player_embedded#! | 16:00 |
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| fenn | Ian_Daniher: fees for learning seems like it would discourage learning | 16:01 |
| fenn | that's my main beef with techshop at least | 16:01 |
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| kanzure | hm that's weird | 16:19 |
| kanzure | austinhackerspace.org just registered as a DBA | 16:19 |
| kanzure | but put its address as something totally different than the space | 16:19 |
| genehacker | I am disappoint, that microfluidics thing still uses a HUGE syringe pump | 16:21 |
| genehacker | oh neat EO pump | 16:22 |
| fenn | cool.. i like the encapsulation with three liquids | 16:35 |
| fenn | i wonder if that's how they make e-ink | 16:35 |
| fenn | reminds me of the molecular gastronomy 'caviar' | 16:36 |
| genehacker | probablly | 16:37 |
| genehacker | they said they make janus particles | 16:37 |
| fenn | so i just went to this single molecule microscopy talk at seti | 16:38 |
| fenn | they're using a technique called PALM or vPALM which is amazing | 16:39 |
| genehacker | the superlense type? | 16:39 |
| fenn | no | 16:39 |
| fenn | the idea is you have a chromophore which must be activated | 16:40 |
| fenn | then you feed it very low number of photons to activate only a few chromophores, this gives you a few blurry specks which each correspond to a single molecule | 16:40 |
| fenn | you can then deconvolve those single blobs, then deactivate the chromophores and repeat | 16:40 |
| fenn | the result is that you can map out the locations of all the individual chromophores | 16:41 |
| fenn | this is the guy http://www.optoiq.com/index/biophotonics/display/bow-article-display/366219/articles/biooptics-world/featured-image/palm-microscopy-enables-understanding-of-cell-organizations-impact-on-biological-function.html | 16:41 |
| superkuh | The only problem is it takes, what, 12 hours? | 16:41 |
| superkuh | You have to wait for the photobleaching. | 16:41 |
| fenn | crappy image, lemme see if i can find something better | 16:41 |
| fenn | superkuh: didn't know that, but still, the resolution is insane | 16:42 |
| fenn | stupid scientists and their non-publishing of cool images | 16:44 |
| fenn | also, PALM gives you a 3D point cloud | 16:47 |
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| fenn | random pdf says "20 minutes time resolution" - not sure what that means | 16:50 |
| fenn | seems like there would be clever ways of using palm to map out interactions between particles | 16:52 |
| fenn | to derive the binding affinity for example | 16:52 |
| fenn | i guess FRET would be more appropriate | 16:56 |
| fenn | wah | 16:56 |
| fenn | btw the resolution for palm images was quoted at around 15nm | 16:59 |
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| hundred-ideas | howdy | 18:30 |
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| Trooem | who is near austinhackerspace physically? | 19:07 |
| Trooem | who is involved in neuro-hacking? | 19:09 |
| genehacker2 | why are you austinhackerspace physically? | 19:32 |
| Trooem | what? did i say something wrong in grammer- | 19:32 |
| Trooem | or... have you | 19:32 |
| Trooem | you. | 19:33 |
| Trooem | what you asking genehacker | 19:33 |
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| kanzure | http://www.sardonic.info/AHS_Idea_2.png | 19:40 |
| Trooem | http://www.iwata-medea.com/images/uploads/steampunk-fx-logo-large.jpg | 19:43 |
| Trooem | better looking... | 19:44 |
| Trooem | something simpler... | 19:44 |
| Trooem | http://www.blogcdn.com/news.bigdownload.com/media/2009/05/neosteam_logo_topimage.jpg | 19:44 |
| Trooem | http://www.craftsonthenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/steampunk-logo.jpg | 19:45 |
| kanzure | Trooem: why are you here | 19:46 |
| QuantumG | to annoy you it seems | 19:47 |
| Trooem | do you want to kick me out...? | 19:47 |
| Trooem | where should i be kanzure? | 19:48 |
| QuantumG | gitmo | 19:48 |
| Trooem | whats that.. | 19:48 |
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| Trooem | these days, i've quit marketing. i'm about to return to it... | 20:01 |
| Trooem | but intoxicated with..... gaming. :{ | 20:04 |
| hundred-ideas | hey kanzure | 20:06 |
| hundred-ideas | you here? | 20:06 |
| kanzure | hundred-ideas: hey | 20:07 |
| hundred-ideas | so I've gotten some positive feedback about the h+beer event already | 20:08 |
| hundred-ideas | did an email go out? | 20:08 |
| kanzure | no not yet :) | 20:09 |
| kanzure | i'll send one in a sec | 20:09 |
| Trooem | jesus, i'm being played around like a toy... | 20:09 |
| kanzure | what? | 20:10 |
| Trooem | not you man, some guys i'm meeting over CPA shit... it's always annoying. remember that greed thing? so many people are into it now CPA networks are being strict.. | 20:11 |
| Trooem | there should always be a healthy mix, but not many are understanding that. | 20:13 |
| Trooem | if anyone needs any services or tutoring in online/offline marketing, i'll do it for free. i'm bored........ | 20:15 |
| Trooem | kanzure: i'm here to learn about the things people share here. to find more clues, maybe JV. | 20:17 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: hm i'm having trouble adding a domain name to the server at gnusha.org | 21:50 |
| kanzure | does my apache2 configuration look correct? | 21:50 |
| kanzure | in particular for 002-heekscad.org in /var/apache2/sites-enabled/ | 21:50 |
| kanzure | oh | 21:54 |
| kanzure | duh | 21:54 |
| kanzure | sites-available is not sites-enabled | 21:54 |
| kanzure | awesome, got it | 21:58 |
| kanzure | okay, no more long typing for the heekscad url | 21:58 |
| kanzure | http://heekscad.org/ from now on :) | 21:58 |
| jrayhawk | a2ensite is how to enable a site, by the way. | 22:00 |
| kanzure | aha | 22:00 |
| kanzure | "and then he was enlightened" | 22:00 |
| jrayhawk | Which just does the linking for you. | 22:00 |
| ybit | fenn: what is that @ 7:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S9z6H_EFqQ&feature=related | 22:01 |
| ybit | linkage appreciated | 22:01 |
| * drazak just rooted his evo | 22:03 | |
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