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ybit | what are a few immediate and practical benefits of citizen science? | 00:00 |
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ybit | if anyone can list some out, that would be appreciated | 00:01 |
danx00r | knowing shit | 00:16 |
danx00r | keeping the pros honest | 00:16 |
danx00r | the vanishingly small but non-zero probability of catching something the experts missed & changing the world forever | 00:17 |
danx00r | getting people to really understand the scientific method, and promoting scientific literacy (not rote memorization, but really internalizing the culture of rational analysis) | 00:18 |
danx00r | also, what if evil aliens come and phaser us back to the stone age? Someone has to build up the resistance, and keep the fire of knowledge burning in secret | 00:19 |
danx00r | more likely doomsday scenario: some band of anti-intellectual idiots takes over the government, forces schools to teach creation bullshit, and shuts down all interesting research | 00:20 |
danx00r | I see citizen science as sort of analogous to the idea that people have a right to own guns 'just in case' | 00:21 |
danx00r | I don't want a bunch of elite power-brokers to be the only people capable of doing science | 00:21 |
danx00r | big science is increasingly politicized, and therefore suspect | 00:22 |
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ybit | nice danx00r | 00:55 |
ybit | so how are these applicable to everyday joe? or are there other immediate benefits joe and jan can obtain now through citizen science? | 00:56 |
ybit | outside of knowledge gain | 00:58 |
danx00r | I think the world would greatly benefit if "Jane and Joe" and especially their kids are doing hands-on science, rather than just thinking of scientists as Jeff Goldblum types -- mad geniuses who work in labs | 00:58 |
ybit | agree | 00:59 |
danx00r | part of this is about demistifying science | 00:59 |
ybit | yup | 00:59 |
danx00r | bringing it down from a priesthood to the laity, as it were. Like the Protestant revolution, maybe | 00:59 |
ybit | i use that phrase on a regular basis "demistifying science" | 00:59 |
danx00r | I'm old enough to remember chemistry sets | 01:00 |
danx00r | try bringing a 1965 HS chem set on a plane today | 01:00 |
ybit | :) | 01:01 |
ybit | or :( rather | 01:01 |
danx00r | we can't let all of science be regulated and boxed away in expert laboratories for 'safety' or national security etc | 01:01 |
danx00r | this may sound paranoid -- but think about it. Isn't it likely that one day -- maybe 10 or 20 yrs from now - it would be 'suspicious' to be in posession of assemblers, disassemblers, and source code for the kernel of your operating system? | 01:02 |
danx00r | you sure can't do that with an iPhone | 01:02 |
danx00r | or an iPad | 01:02 |
danx00r | because, just like chemistry, low-level computer programming is becoming an issue of security. A valid issue | 01:03 |
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danx00r | if you follow that logic to its extreme conclusion, anything that involves handling complex tools of analysis and development -- whether chemical, nuclear, or even information tech -- could be argued to be too dangerous to allow 'normal' people access to | 01:04 |
danx00r | and that goes for information as well as tools -- why would you need a chip layout, unless you're planning to circumvent DRM and steal software or media? | 01:04 |
danx00r | ok I admit I'm ranting a bit -- but in my mind this ties together. Science is just latin for knowledge | 01:05 |
ybit | yup, i think what you are saying is great | 01:05 |
danx00r | I feel like it's a use it or lose it situation -- if we don't loudly and publicly declare our right and our ability to examine, comprehend, and understand our reality | 01:05 |
danx00r | then we are effectively delegating that to a noble elite, with the proper credentials | 01:06 |
danx00r | and I don't like the smell of that world | 01:06 |
danx00r | did the rep/rap guys show up at H+? | 01:06 |
danx00r | http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page | 01:06 |
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danx00r | btw this stuff is even more important in 3rd world fascist countries than it is in the 'developed' world | 01:07 |
danx00r | the fears I have are pretty paranoid for someone in the USA today | 01:07 |
danx00r | but they are perfectly reasonable for someone in, say, Iran, Afghanistan, or most of Africa | 01:07 |
danx00r | and even China to some degree | 01:07 |
danx00r | and even here, with things like the MPAA suing people for having their crappy crypto on a T-shirt, there are powerful interests who do not want a populace that thinks for itself | 01:08 |
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danx00r | so really it's about protecting and promoting critical thinking and direct acquisition of information, rather than letting the masses get comfortable learning everything from Wikipedia and assuming it's correct | 01:08 |
danx00r | (don't get me started on Wikipedia :) | 01:09 |
danx00r | eventually Wikipedia will be considered "too big to fail" and nationalized. Ok, maybe that's a stretch... | 01:10 |
danx00r | did I mention, peer review is broken? | 01:11 |
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ybit | danx00r: good stuff | 01:19 |
danx00r | thx | 01:20 |
ybit | you could also add the life as intellectual property war here in the usa | 01:20 |
ybit | which would mean you are paranoid for a good reason | 01:20 |
ybit | i take that back, you're aware of what's going on, not paranoid | 01:20 |
ybit | a thinking mind is more useful than a dead one, unless it's hitler or others :) | 01:21 |
ybit | but then there's the side story of hitler being a great artist and turned down by an art institution he wanted to study at... | 01:22 |
ybit | anywhos, i should probably sleep, and google logs are telling me this is the average bed time | 01:22 |
ybit | thanks for the feedback danx00r | 01:22 |
ybit | hi wolfspraul | 01:23 |
danx00r | first one's free :) | 01:23 |
danx00r | hey maybe someone can help here | 01:23 |
danx00r | I want to teach a bunch of kids 6-10 how to measure something, like gravity or the speed of sound | 01:23 |
danx00r | any ideas? should be something fundamental about the Universe that isn't obvious without doing some sort of experiment | 01:24 |
ybit | danx00r: www.fofweb.com/onfiles/SEOF/Science_Experiments/6-33.pdf | 01:26 |
ybit | you can even measure the earth's mass with a pendelum | 01:26 |
ybit | measuring the earth's mass: http://bit.ly/9BHhZU | 01:28 |
ybit | measuring sound: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_can_you_measure_the_speed_of_sound | 01:28 |
ybit | the speed of sound* | 01:29 |
danx00r | did anyone ever put videos of the 2009 December event up? | 01:35 |
danx00r | thx for the links! | 01:35 |
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Utopiah | danx00r: you mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n39RK4inzg ? | 01:36 |
danx00r | actually looking for my own talk | 01:36 |
danx00r | is there a list somewhere? | 01:36 |
Utopiah | http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Hplus+Summit+2009&aq=f | 01:37 |
Utopiah | no it seems not, at least not there | 01:37 |
danx00r | sad | 01:37 |
danx00r | the UK vids are so nice | 01:37 |
danx00r | no audio problems (like we had today) | 01:37 |
danx00r | it would be helpful for these seminars to be somewhat more carefully archived and streamed | 01:38 |
danx00r | sorry to say the quality on that front was sub par this time around | 01:38 |
danx00r | and apparently for Irvine as well, since nothing was ever put online | 01:38 |
ybit | danx00r: who are you? | 01:40 |
danx00r | daniel miller | 01:40 |
* ybit wonders if he met you in irvine | 01:40 | |
Utopiah | I guess with the Internet/HackerSpace/DIY mindset one would check everywhere he could, ask the right people then as he find nothing close to what he needs, make it happen. So yes I agee if you think it's not enough, do it. | 01:40 |
danx00r | Utopiah: fair enough! | 01:40 |
danx00r | but of course it's easier to gripe than to fix things :) | 01:40 |
Utopiah | I dont think so | 01:41 |
danx00r | (irony) | 01:41 |
Utopiah | http://bit.ly/sarcasmometer ON | 01:42 |
danx00r | ybit: what's your rl name? | 01:42 |
ybit | danx00r: Heath Matlock | 01:42 |
ybit | http://tweaklabs.org/Heath+Matlock | 01:42 |
danx00r | I don't recall meeting, but I'm terrible at names | 01:42 |
danx00r | my point about the videos is that these conferences could have much more reach | 01:43 |
danx00r | like TED manages to | 01:43 |
Utopiah | danx00r: maybe you could check my (messy http://fabien.benetou.fr/Person/Person?action=print to get ideas on how to be less "terrible at names" (last related thing I did was a mini "game" to display in a random order profile of people who have a high chance of being at the next meeting) | 01:43 |
ybit | agreed, they do a terrible job of recording and distributing the videos each event. someone said they are going to release full hd vids later, but that's what they said about the last one, at least this one has so far kept some form of record online | 01:44 |
danx00r | if attention is paid to ensuring a really effective capture of the talks, the best ones will take on a life of their own | 01:44 |
danx00r | who is typically responsible for the capture & streaming? | 01:45 |
ybit | danx00r: dunno, ask the h+ board | 01:45 |
danx00r | what is the h+ board? | 01:46 |
danx00r | bb or board of directors? | 01:46 |
ybit | bb = breadboard? :) | 01:46 |
ybit | i'm saying the board of directors | 01:47 |
ybit | goertzel, lightman, etc | 01:47 |
danx00r | ahh ok | 01:48 |
danx00r | I can bug Ben. He'll just tell me to volunteer I suspect | 01:48 |
danx00r | but I don't want to ruffle feathers if someone considers it their domain | 01:48 |
danx00r | I know it's far from trivial to get that going, and logistics of the conference can get in the way | 01:49 |
danx00r | to some degree it's an issue of emphasis on the part of the organizers | 01:49 |
ybit | makes no sense they aren't able to find someone in l.a. or boston to do a decent job of recording | 02:10 |
* ybit sleeps | 02:11 | |
splicer | maybe they - in their great wisdom - are trying to tell us that in the future all video will be crappy | 02:14 |
danx00r | I suspect they're just hosed trying to put on a good show | 02:15 |
danx00r | and it's sort of something that no one is really taking ownership of | 02:16 |
danx00r | like "ok let's run the streaming software, plug in some audio, now let's get lunch" | 02:16 |
danx00r | someone seemed to be taking it seriously in Irvine, but the videos never materialized | 02:16 |
danx00r | which is a shame | 02:17 |
danx00r | some really great talks | 02:17 |
danx00r | ok nitey | 02:17 |
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kanzure | hi all | 03:23 |
kanzure | hey danx00r, metaliving, victoreremita | 03:23 |
kanzure | and thur | 03:23 |
kanzure | jrayhawk: thank you | 03:24 |
Utopiah | very nice metaphor http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/magazine/23FOB-medium-t.html gated community, webtropolis, ... | 04:02 |
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alidigitalis | so is this place really a steorn depot or a more general science arena? | 05:18 |
Utopiah | this place? | 05:19 |
alidigitalis | this chat room | 05:19 |
Utopiah | it's what you make out of it | 05:19 |
alidigitalis | well what are most people making of it | 05:19 |
Utopiah | you can parse the logs | 05:19 |
Utopiah | and see if it fits what you are interested in | 05:20 |
alidigitalis | great, where are they :) | 05:20 |
Utopiah | http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt | 05:20 |
alidigitalis | i came over here from diybio as that's more my speed, however there aren't many folks in that room | 05:20 |
Utopiah | (mirrored in EU at http://seedea.org/buffering/irclogs.txt ) | 05:21 |
alidigitalis | it looks like there's a fairly wide gamut of topics | 05:21 |
alidigitalis | i just didn't want to keep blabbering if i am in the wrong place :) | 05:22 |
Utopiah | yes, good principle, I prefer to give you the data rather than my biased opinion though ;) | 05:23 |
alidigitalis | fairenough :) what are you working on then? | 05:24 |
Utopiah | that very minute? | 05:25 |
alidigitalis | in general | 05:25 |
Utopiah | http://fabien.benetou.fr/Slideshows/RencontreAFTParis?action=slideshow | 05:25 |
Utopiah | so for everything unclear or illogical, just let know | 05:27 |
alidigitalis | c'est bien, je parle a bit of francaise | 05:28 |
Utopiah | :) | 05:28 |
alidigitalis | seems mostly philosophical + use of some of today's web tools? is there a more technical or experimental side? | 05:31 |
Utopiah | the result is the website where the presentation is hosted | 05:32 |
Utopiah | as I used it several times a day it doesn't feel philosophical at all to me (especially when there is network latency :( | 05:33 |
Utopiah | s/used/use/ | 05:33 |
Utopiah | for the "experimental side" you can check the (way too long) "ToDo" section of most pages | 05:35 |
Utopiah | since you are in bio you might want to check http://fabien.benetou.fr/Content/Health#PersonalGenomics or http://fabien.benetou.fr/ReadingNotes/IntelligentBio or http://fabien.benetou.fr/Cookbook/Biology | 05:38 |
Utopiah | but I doubt you'll find anything new there | 05:38 |
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alidigitalis | yeah, that's all fine and well, i'm looking for folks who are building their own labs to do genetic work.. i'm in charlottesville, va with a pcr machine and a protein sequencer | 05:42 |
alidigitalis | it's soooooo close these days | 05:42 |
alidigitalis | can almost afford the rest of the tools.... hoping to find a few folks in the neighborhood to work with | 05:43 |
Utopiah | what's your next project requiring "the rest of the tools"? | 05:44 |
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alidigitalis | off topic for one second = have you heard keny arkana? | 05:44 |
Utopiah | (off topic : yes) | 05:44 |
alidigitalis | she's blowing my mind right now | 05:44 |
alidigitalis | anyhow, i'm working on getting genetically modified bacteria to produce thc | 05:45 |
Utopiah | as in tetrahydrocannabinol? | 05:46 |
alidigitalis | yes | 05:46 |
Utopiah | for... a specific usage? | 05:47 |
alidigitalis | thc is created by cannabis to defend it against microbes and insects = a natural detergent | 05:47 |
alidigitalis | so it's a safe anti-malarial | 05:47 |
Utopiah | and you dont just say that because you now know the channel is logged :P | 05:47 |
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alidigitalis | the plant makes it to defend itself (and some people use it for other reasons) | 05:47 |
Utopiah | yes | 05:48 |
alidigitalis | i really don't care... the native americans have been using it as a pesticide for thousands of years and the research is well established | 05:48 |
alidigitalis | and it's parts per million thc:solution | 05:49 |
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alidigitalis | so there is no real medical merit in the project... | 05:49 |
Utopiah | could be useful for http://factorefarm.org/ | 05:50 |
alidigitalis | just a safe, environmentally friendly detergent to kill mosquitos without endangering higher organisms | 05:50 |
Utopiah | so I dont know anything on that topic but what about coffe? | 05:52 |
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Utopiah | sounds like another psychoactive stimulant that naturally defends its plant, no? | 05:54 |
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alidigitalis | it's very sweet, because it has no ld-50 in higher organisms like fish, birds, or people | 05:59 |
alidigitalis | coffee i know very little about, however i start every search with http://ncbi.nih.gov | 06:00 |
alidigitalis | there's a ton of research on there that's never been peer-reviewed and a lot that has | 06:00 |
alidigitalis | cocaine is another interesting chemical that works wonders against insects.... caffeine i'm not certain about | 06:01 |
Utopiah | kind of a classical gardener tip | 06:02 |
splicer | how about heroin? | 06:05 |
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alidigitalis | i don't know much about the opiates... | 06:13 |
Utopiah | (unrelated http://www.netfpga.org/ fpga + openflow) | 06:15 |
alidigitalis | cannabis is interesting because it grows so well in so many places, in large part its robustness is due to it's biological weaponry | 06:15 |
Utopiah | yep, very rustic | 06:15 |
alidigitalis | Utopiah: that's a nice card | 06:16 |
Utopiah | (if you are into FPGA but this time dedicated to graphism check http://milkymist.org/ ) | 06:18 |
Utopiah | (and more on the OpenFlow side http://vimeo.com/10694783 ) | 06:22 |
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Utopiah | http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2010/03/09/optimal-daily-experience/ | 09:11 |
Utopiah | (with article April 2010 from Medical Hypotheses, found througn KK Quantified Self) | 09:12 |
genehacker | Bolonkin's writing against patent law now? | 09:19 |
genehacker | http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/06/patent-nonsense-some-problems-with.html#more | 09:20 |
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cluckj | kanzure, did you make it back to tx okay? | 10:25 |
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kanzure | hey CapNemo | 11:32 |
kanzure | cluckj: yes | 11:32 |
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CapNemo | hello | 11:33 |
Redeemer | Greetings. | 11:35 |
kanzure | hi Redeemer | 11:37 |
kanzure | it's been a long weekend. i should nap. | 11:37 |
Redeemer | Heh | 11:39 |
Redeemer | Sleep is unnecessary | 11:39 |
kanzure | sleep is for the weak! | 11:40 |
kanzure | where were the videos being uploaded, did anyone catch that? | 11:40 |
CapNemo | hey very interesting idea | 11:40 |
Redeemer | Yeah I gotta try to get the talks from this event, since I could not attend. | 11:41 |
kanzure | Redeemer: transcripts: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/ | 11:44 |
kanzure | so, i was talking with brian marlow, the science comedian who did a bit after my talk | 11:46 |
kanzure | and i propose we start a fund raising drive for aubrey de grey | 11:46 |
kanzure | where aubrey will shave if people raise $10M for longevity research | 11:46 |
kanzure | i don't think he'd do it for 1M | 11:46 |
Redeemer | Hah! | 11:47 |
Redeemer | I don't think he'll do it even then. | 11:47 |
CapNemo | so what is hplus ?? | 11:47 |
kristianpaul | apt-make whistel dint work.. ;) | 11:48 |
Redeemer | Shorthand for Humanity+, which in a nutshell is an idea in regards to intellectual enlightment. | 11:49 |
CapNemo | ohh ok so basically a mouvement starting centuries ago :) | 11:50 |
kanzure | Redeemer: bullshit | 11:51 |
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kanzure | CapNemo: h+ is an acronym for "transhumanism" | 11:51 |
Utopiah | eh...same | 11:51 |
Utopiah | Le siecle des Lumieres -> Age of Enligtenment | 11:51 |
Redeemer | My term was very broad. | 11:52 |
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CapNemo | I should invite Voltaire :) | 11:52 |
Utopiah | lets all read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Renaissance too :-# | 11:52 |
Utopiah | some go as far as https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Gilgamesh | 11:53 |
CapNemo | ouch | 11:54 |
CapNemo | why not | 11:54 |
Utopiah | for the Epic of Gilgamesh | 11:54 |
Redeemer | Intellectual enlightment with a nice good dose of good technologies. | 11:54 |
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kanzure | mac hiding in the h+ crowd: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeanbaptisteparis/4699168716/sizes/l/ | 11:55 |
kanzure | http://code.google.com/p/python-on-a-chip/ for just running a python vm on a chip without a kernel | 11:59 |
CapNemo | nice project | 12:06 |
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CapNemo | any news on skdb? | 12:25 |
kanzure | microfluidics demo thingy i guess | 12:25 |
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kanzure | the latest area of development/work is a python-based CSG library (or it might just wrap some other library like OpenCSG) | 12:25 |
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cluckj | kanzure wow jb has some really amazing pictures | 12:44 |
cluckj | I want to submit mine but hahaha they look so bad! | 12:44 |
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kanzure | wrldpc2: it was nice seeing you again :) | 13:10 |
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wrldpc2 | nice to see you too bryan. you were the star of the show! | 13:12 |
kanzure | http://mynew.tv/ is a project from the abinventio guy who showed off qless at the conference (the "saves you 2 years by not having to wait in lines any more" thing) | 13:15 |
kanzure | it's actually pretty addictive | 13:15 |
kanzure | helluva recommendation engine under the hood | 13:15 |
kanzure | blah it seems to be down | 13:16 |
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cluckj | are there any other photographers that put stuff up? | 13:43 |
kanzure | mainly jolly | 13:45 |
kanzure | and http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/photos/ | 13:45 |
cluckj | http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajolly/sets/72157624141398171/ | 13:45 |
cluckj | cool, thanks | 13:45 |
cluckj | I saw jb's and jolly's | 13:45 |
cluckj | that's a lot of people at sprout | 13:46 |
cluckj | ooh, can I use that picture of mac standing on the table? | 13:47 |
cluckj | I don't know what for yet, but it's a nice visual | 13:47 |
cluckj | of the kinds of stuff he does :) | 13:48 |
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cluckj | http://www.flickr.com/photos/49618787@N08/4701256564/ | 13:58 |
kanzure | cluckj: i think he tried to trademark table standing at igem | 13:58 |
cluckj | hahaha | 13:59 |
cluckj | sounds about right | 13:59 |
cluckj | I wanted to codename him in my paper -- he wanted to be called "the advocate," now I have photographic evidence! | 14:00 |
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kanzure | wtf is this crap? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB7L1BIDELc | 14:15 |
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kanzure | cluckj: i'm fine with him being "the advocate" only if i get to be "the anomaly" | 14:15 |
uniqanomaly__ | kanzure: black gospel except for 'strictly black' and 'religious' things | 14:18 |
uniqanomaly__ | well | 14:19 |
uniqanomaly__ | except for 'black' and 'gospel' ;) | 14:19 |
uniqanomaly__ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1BFVPPNQxI | 14:26 |
uniqanomaly__ | this one is better, for sure | 14:26 |
cluckj | hahaha | 14:26 |
uniqanomaly__ | ;) | 14:27 |
cluckj | kanzure I think I see what you mean, could you explain a little more? | 14:27 |
kanzure | "there'll be no one to stop us this time" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B7YNUNhhNE i had this beat in my head for the longest time | 14:28 |
kanzure | thanks for reminding me it was aphex twin | 14:28 |
uniqanomaly__ | you're welcome | 14:29 |
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kanzure | hi Alex_Hartman | 14:36 |
Alex_Hartman | Hello Kanzure | 14:37 |
Alex_Hartman | I'm right now reading the transcript posted under topics | 14:37 |
kanzure | the /topic has the transcripts from last year | 14:37 |
kanzure | 2009: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2009/ | 14:37 |
kanzure | 2010: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/ | 14:37 |
kanzure | anyway, welcome alex :) | 14:39 |
Alex_Hartman | Oh, Boyden was there? | 14:40 |
kanzure | yeah | 14:40 |
kanzure | ed is great | 14:41 |
Alex_Hartman | I didn't know he was involved with the DIY community | 14:41 |
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Alex_Hartman | I did some work based on his research a while ago. Some optogenetic stuff. | 14:42 |
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cluckj | I talked to him too, he was pretty awesome | 14:44 |
Alex_Hartman | He seems like a cool guy. I first saw his name back on neurodudes and kind of kept up with his research over the last few years. | 14:45 |
CapNemo | btw, anybody around nyc here? | 14:45 |
cluckj | I'm near albany, what's up? | 14:46 |
CapNemo | always searching for groups in new york ^^ | 14:48 |
cluckj | I'm not really a group :) | 14:49 |
CapNemo | damn ;) | 14:49 |
Alex_Hartman | That depends on how you wish to define yourself as an entitity, isn't it ;) | 14:49 |
cluckj | touche | 14:49 |
Alex_Hartman | I'm way down in SC, sorry. Are there a lot more people in NYC who collaborate? | 14:50 |
cluckj | hehe | 14:51 |
Alex_Hartman | By "more" I think I really mean "any"... | 14:51 |
cluckj | albany is in new york, but 2-3 hours from NYC | 14:51 |
CapNemo | yup big state | 14:51 |
Alex_Hartman | See, I did that stupid southerner thing where you say "New York" and we add the "city" | 14:51 |
cluckj | eh, it's not limited to southerners :) | 14:52 |
CapNemo | yup :) nyc nyc nyc | 14:52 |
cluckj | there is a diy bio group in nyc, but I haven't hung out with them yet | 14:52 |
cluckj | just diy bio in boston | 14:52 |
CapNemo | cluckj, what kind of microscope were you using in those picture to observe that leaf ? | 14:53 |
cluckj | a ucam | 14:54 |
cluckj | it's a DIY webcam microscope | 14:54 |
CapNemo | nice | 14:55 |
CapNemo | how much magnification did you get with? | 14:55 |
cluckj | there should be some info about it on the diybio.org site | 14:55 |
cluckj | in theory, 40x, in practice, maybe 30x? | 14:56 |
CapNemo | rather good | 14:56 |
cluckj | definitely | 14:57 |
cluckj | mac has made some improvements since then | 14:57 |
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CapNemo | that must be fun to build yes :) | 15:04 |
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CapNemo | ok time to go home... thanks for the talk cluckj | 15:26 |
CapNemo | see you around | 15:27 |
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QuantumG | 15:51 | |
QuantumG | Don't ya hate it when you're having a conversation in youtube comments and forget that you need to assume everyone is ignorant and stupid? | 15:51 |
fenn | the actual error was in having a conversation in youtube comments in the first place | 15:53 |
QuantumG | ya | 15:53 |
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kanzure | but yeah there's a diybio-nyc group | 17:29 |
kanzure | hah! six day extension on the scipy2010 papers | 17:35 |
kanzure | Ian_Daniher: hey, it was great seeing you over the weekend | 17:35 |
kanzure | did you end up going to the summit on sunday? | 17:35 |
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kanzure | what's "rolling stone magazine" and why would they want an interview | 18:09 |
QuantumG | is that a joke? | 18:09 |
kanzure | no? | 18:09 |
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kanzure | i know of a band called "the rolling stones" | 18:10 |
QuantumG | ok, rolling stone magazine is like the most famous magazine in the world | 18:10 |
kanzure | is that related? | 18:10 |
kanzure | i call bullshit | 18:10 |
QuantumG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_Stone_Magazine | 18:10 |
* kanzure clicks | 18:10 | |
kanzure | well it passed wikipedia notability guidelines i guess | 18:10 |
kanzure | circulation of 1.4M | 18:11 |
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kanzure | for the aubrey beard prize (10M USD), we should make him donate the beard to a wig maker and then donate the wig to ray kurzweil (he's balding) | 18:24 |
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QuantumG | or you could invent a biological treatment that really does cause hair regrowth | 18:26 |
kanzure | bah! | 18:26 |
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JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 18:29 |
JayDugger | Hair regrowth assumes importance in proportion with age, kanzure. | 18:30 |
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QuantumG | I'm sure accelerated scalp hair growth would be popular with women too | 18:32 |
JayDugger | Good point. | 18:32 |
JayDugger | I think the coefficient, or perhaps the exponent, of the age term differs for men and women. | 18:32 |
QuantumG | if you need an altruistic motivation, consider people with cancer | 18:32 |
JayDugger | Good point. I donated my long hair to locks of love when I cut it. | 18:33 |
JayDugger | Hmm...@rapportive says they've more Raplets coming to http://raplets.com. | 18:33 |
JayDugger | Relevant to 1kfriendly. | 18:33 |
kanzure | :) | 18:33 |
kanzure | i could convince etacts.com to hire me | 18:34 |
kanzure | but i don't know if i want that | 18:34 |
JayDugger | Do you need or want a job? | 18:34 |
kanzure | they sound very interested when i talk over the phone | 18:34 |
kanzure | i don't need it and i don't really want it (or do i?) | 18:34 |
kanzure | i mean, from a 1kfriendly perspective, they have a lot of code already written and a user base | 18:34 |
kanzure | and it would make less sense for me to re-invent wheels here | 18:34 |
JayDugger | So far (Gmail+etacts+rapportive) > (silentale). | 18:34 |
JayDugger | Work-wise, what pays you enough to continue your main project (skdb?) without consuming too much time? | 18:35 |
JayDugger | Jobs have a real way of taking over one's life. | 18:35 |
kanzure | i have funding for skdb | 18:35 |
kanzure | but you asswads won't take my money >:o | 18:35 |
kanzure | well.. fenn wants to use it to pay rent | 18:36 |
kanzure | but that's really lame imho | 18:36 |
JayDugger | I think you're better off concentrating on 8020 for funding. | 18:36 |
kanzure | JayDugger: did you see the andrew hessel talk? | 18:36 |
kanzure | i'm also doing that.. we have a deal with exxon coming up for a number of digits | 18:36 |
JayDugger | ? | 18:37 |
kanzure | http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplus-summit-2010/d1s1-3-andrew-hessel.html | 18:37 |
kanzure | the last paragraph mentions the project i guess. it's a quick read overall | 18:37 |
JayDugger | Exxon? | 18:37 |
kanzure | apparently they are an oil company that i should know about | 18:37 |
* kanzure shrugs | 18:37 | |
JayDugger | Heh, heh...I remember, once upon a time, before some of you were even born, someone who very seriously argued, in print (when that was a big deal), that Exxon should fund solar power satellites. | 18:38 |
kanzure | well shouldn't they? | 18:39 |
JayDugger | high-priority interrupt... | 18:39 |
kanzure | sex? | 18:39 |
kanzure | wtf is "pay to pitch" | 18:41 |
JayDugger | No, short-range planning. | 18:41 |
JayDugger | Exxon: yes, but I doubt whether such projects will persist past the next downturn in oil prices. | 18:42 |
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mheld | hey y'all | 18:45 |
kanzure | hi mheld | 18:45 |
kanzure | welcome to the dark corners of the internet that your mom warned you about | 18:45 |
JayDugger | Good evening, mheld. | 18:45 |
kanzure | http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt for the 20+ MB log file | 18:46 |
mheld | haha | 18:46 |
mheld | oy | 18:46 |
mheld | I'll just start from here | 18:46 |
kanzure | okay :) | 18:46 |
mheld | just mentioning to kanzure that I'm bummed that I missed the summit this weekend | 18:46 |
mheld | y'all should tell more college kids about it :-P | 18:46 |
kanzure | yeah i should have made a bigger stink about it in #startups | 18:46 |
kanzure | i mentioned it once or twice but it was probably at like 3am | 18:46 |
kanzure | which doesn't count | 18:47 |
mheld | haha | 18:47 |
kanzure | i'm back in austin today, so i can't hang out | 18:47 |
JayDugger | I think the last paragraph of Hessel's talk would serve well for #startups. | 18:47 |
kanzure | however, a few others in here are still in boston | 18:47 |
kanzure | JayDugger: yeah i've told them about the ideas/concepts/etc. | 18:47 |
kanzure | and have received valuable feedback | 18:47 |
kanzure | where did wrldpc2 go? he's in boston for sure | 18:47 |
kanzure | Ian_Daniher: are you around? | 18:47 |
kanzure | cluckj: you're back in nyc already or not? | 18:48 |
kanzure | oh well. mheld: we'll hook you up with someone for sure. | 18:49 |
mheld | there are a ton of startup events happening this week, so I'm sure I'll stumble upon someone from the summit | 18:50 |
kanzure | i want a transhuman-oriented startup, damnit! (ok i guess that's what all this is, in here) | 18:51 |
kanzure | a few minutes ago i was complaining to everyone how i got funding and nobody wanted to use it on any crazy project | 18:51 |
kanzure | other than paying stupid rent stuff :( | 18:51 |
mheld | kanzure: hi :-) | 18:51 |
fenn | *cough* bullshit *cough* | 18:51 |
mheld | building strong AI here | 18:51 |
JayDugger | Etacts: Folding 1kfriendly into it prevents reinventing the wheel. Full-time employment with them doesn't best use your time, IMO. | 18:51 |
mheld | one step at a time though | 18:52 |
kanzure | JayDugger: right | 18:52 |
kanzure | mheld: are you working with ben goertzel, then? | 18:52 |
kanzure | and if not, why not? | 18:52 |
kanzure | opencog et al. | 18:52 |
mheld | I'd like to | 18:53 |
kanzure | he's the most approachable guy on the planet | 18:53 |
mheld | hmm | 18:54 |
nsh | because he *is* strong AI... my god, it's all starting to make sense | 18:54 |
nsh | his whole enterprise is a foil to prevent others discovering the secret and creating elizier's wanky fantasies | 18:54 |
kanzure | fenn: have you been keeping track of biocurious and its apparent lack of progress? | 18:54 |
kanzure | as always, joseph jackson talked about various social "problems" (these problems seem to follow him where-ever he goes.. or maybe he just finds them) | 18:55 |
kanzure | $200/mo per member of biocurious just seems a bit.. odd | 18:55 |
kanzure | and $800 per LavaAmp.. | 18:56 |
kanzure | wasn't that originally a $10 thermocycler? | 18:57 |
nsh | what | 19:08 |
nsh | people pay $200 per month to members? | 19:09 |
Alystair | is abstraction a necessary evil | 19:10 |
JayDugger | Did Keith Curtis (keithcu.com) attend hplus 2010? | 19:10 |
JayDugger | I wonder if he & B. Goertzel discussed open source AI. | 19:11 |
JayDugger | Good night, everyone. Time to commute. | 19:18 |
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JayDugger | 1kfriendly: http://thinktankapp.com/ aka Gina Trapani's Twitalytic, forkable from github http://github.com/ginatrapani/thinktank | 19:46 |
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superkuh | http://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273(10)00376-4 | 19:52 |
superkuh | "Transcranial Pulsed Ultrasound Stimulates Intact Brain Circuits" | 19:52 |
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kanzure | hi r1776 | 21:23 |
kanzure | wrldpc2: mheld is in your area.. he was in the channel a while ago | 21:23 |
wrldpc2 | cool | 21:23 |
wrldpc2 | mheld identify | 21:24 |
kanzure | someone from #startups | 21:24 |
cluckj | kanzure I'm back in Troy, yeah | 21:27 |
cluckj | it's about 2-3 hours from new york city | 21:27 |
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