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| jrayhawk | I'm going to reboot the machine gnusha's on to upgrade the kernel. | 03:58 |
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| ENKI-][ | ohai | 09:37 |
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| SeH_ | http://www.transalchemy.com/2010/07/global-survival-market.html | 10:29 |
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| kanzure | hm streety made a name find | 11:42 |
| kanzure | http://www.google.com/search?q=diybio | 11:42 |
| kanzure | *made a nice find | 11:42 |
| splicer | heh... how did that happen? | 11:50 |
| kanzure | it was a wordpress blo | 11:51 |
| kanzure | *blog | 11:51 |
| splicer | the google crawler acts interesting sometimes. | 11:57 |
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| kanzure | wut's all this? http://synbioworld.org/formboss/output/forms/igem/iGEM_table_prize.php | 12:27 |
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| kanzure | open source hardware definition making its rounds.. | 13:38 |
| kanzure | http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/07/open_source_hardware_-_oshw_draft_d.html | 13:38 |
| kanzure | http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/14/open-source-hardware-community-finally-gets-its-constitution/ | 13:38 |
| kanzure | http://lwn.net/Articles/396011/ | 13:38 |
| kanzure | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/13/open-source-hardware-3.html | 13:39 |
| kanzure | http://cyberlawsinindia.blogspot.com/2010/07/open-source-hardware-oshw-draft.html | 13:39 |
| kanzure | http://tzechienchu.typepad.com/tc_chus_point/2010/07/opensource-hardware-standards-formally-issued.html | 13:39 |
| kanzure | http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=1224 | 13:39 |
| kanzure | http://jefro.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/open-source-hardware-defined-by-industry-leaders/ | 13:39 |
| kanzure | http://softwareobjects.net/technology/2010/07/14/open-source-hardware-standards-formally-issued/ | 13:39 |
| * fenn yawns | 13:43 | |
| kanzure | open source elitism at its finest | 13:43 |
| kanzure | but otherwise nice that they got around to it | 13:43 |
| fenn | how is this different from what they published 4 months ago | 13:43 |
| kanzure | hopefully they will foot the bill for the lawyers too | 13:43 |
| kanzure | fenn: well the difference is that now it's being used for self-promotion of openhardwaresummit.org | 13:44 |
| fenn | i figured that much out already | 13:44 |
| fenn | wanna help me figure out a stupid html problem? | 13:45 |
| kanzure | sure | 13:45 |
| fenn | ok, why is the table rendering more like a vertical list? http://fennetic.net/irc/checklist.html | 13:47 |
| kanzure | because <tr> stands for 'table row' | 13:48 |
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| fenn | right. so, why would {{ checklist.as_table }} put in <tr>'s everywhere? | 13:50 |
| fenn | i mean, that doesn't really make sense if i want it to be a table | 13:50 |
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| fenn | i'm not the only one, seems painfully basic of a thing to have to hack around http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2233929/horizontal-per-row-forms-in-a-django-formset | 13:54 |
| bdesk | i thought that html tables were from the 90s | 14:02 |
| bdesk | and that web 2.0 only uses canvas, css, and cloud | 14:03 |
| pmetzger | hrm! looks like I can take a machining class this fall... | 14:04 |
| pmetzger | and if I take it, I can probably get access to things like the university's five axis CNC machines afterwards! | 14:04 |
| fenn | bdesk: i'm not smart enough to turn a series of <li> into a table with CSS, apparently | 14:04 |
| fenn | at least it's not immediately obvious how to do that | 14:04 |
| bdesk | i would try to help but i do not know web programming | 14:05 |
| fenn | i used the snippet and it worked (no <tr>'s anymore) | 14:05 |
| kanzure | if you want to make <li> elements look like a table you'd have to modify the margins, padding, and border pixel widths | 14:07 |
| kanzure | and probably also set it to a float or blocking display or somesuch | 14:07 |
| fenn | pmetzger: 'probably' | 14:08 |
| fenn | good luck with that | 14:08 |
| pmetzger | I don't know the details. | 14:08 |
| pmetzger | But the engineering school's machine shop exists precisely for people like me (i.e. the doctoral students, faculty, etc.) | 14:09 |
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| kanzure | hi hundred-ideas | 17:09 |
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| kanzure | hah. poor bruce. | 17:31 |
| kanzure | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/13/open-source-hardware-3.html | 17:31 |
| kanzure | " | 17:31 |
| kanzure | " | 17:31 |
| kanzure | Gee, I seem to have written most of that definition. It would have been nice if they'd cited me. - Bruce Perens | 17:31 |
| kanzure | " | 17:31 |
| kanzure | wtf irssi? i only typed two quotes | 17:31 |
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| bdesk | kanzure: you are speaking somewhere tomorrow? it is not the h+ summit or open science summit. | 17:54 |
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| kanzure | bdesk: tomorrow? uh, uh, i don't think so (am i?) | 17:58 |
| bdesk | oh i thought you said thursday | 17:59 |
| kanzure | do you remember when i said anything about this? | 18:00 |
| kanzure | it's entirely possible that you're right | 18:00 |
| kanzure | and i'm really forgetting something super important | 18:00 |
| bdesk | no probably not, i thought you said this yesterday, but if 'thursday' is not in the logs then i'm wrong. | 18:00 |
| kanzure | "Needs some sort of legal barrier. I'm still not able to buy a Chumby in Canada due to them being threatened to be sued by a few companies the moment that they bring it here... It's a fucking alarm clock on steroids, is it really a threat to your media company?" | 18:07 |
| kanzure | hahah chumby can't be sold in canada? | 18:07 |
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| kanzure | aw my sister sits around memorizing pi all day <3 | 18:17 |
| kanzure | http://www.youtube.com/user/kaylanRahl | 18:17 |
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| kristianpaul | http://psas.pdx.edu/ | 18:50 |
| QuantumG | kanzure: has anyone on the Internet ever asked you about your siblings? | 18:51 |
| QuantumG | I ask because no-one has ever asked me.. offline, no-one has asked me in years. | 18:53 |
| eridu | QuantumG: what about your siblings? | 18:53 |
| QuantumG | whereas, as a kid, I remember that was like the 3rd question you'd ask another kid. | 18:53 |
| cluckj | that's really weird | 18:53 |
| QuantumG | kids get away with a lot of weird stuff :) | 18:54 |
| cluckj | no, I mean that no one has asked you in years | 18:54 |
| QuantumG | heh, really? When was the last time someone asked you if you had any siblings? | 18:55 |
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| QuantumG | (note that I am not :) | 18:57 |
| cluckj | hmm | 19:13 |
| cluckj | couple days ago, I think | 19:13 |
| cluckj | I get asked at least once a week | 19:13 |
| QuantumG | wow. by who? why? | 19:14 |
| cluckj | people who I talk to, and because they're interested, I guess | 19:15 |
| kanzure | just had a long phone call with todd. he gets into some pretty crazy shit | 19:25 |
| JayDugger | Todd Huffman? | 19:27 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:28 |
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| JayDugger | Yeah, he gets around quite a lot. | 19:30 |
| JayDugger | I don't know where he gets the money for it, but he does interesting work. | 19:30 |
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| bdesk | if you are charismatic then people will give you money | 19:31 |
| JayDugger | True. That tactic fails for misanthropes such as me. | 19:32 |
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| JayDugger | kanzure, has T.H. returned from Uganda? | 19:34 |
| kanzure | he just got off a flight back from the middle east today and is in san diego for some geostation conference | 19:36 |
| kanzure | he gets his money from DARPA | 19:36 |
| JayDugger | Ah. <envy>Must be nice </envy>. | 19:37 |
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| kanzure | QuantumG: i don't think so | 19:45 |
| JayDugger | Good night, all. Time to commute to my employer, which does not get DARPA funding. ;) | 19:56 |
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| fenn | "New people and Newtypes alike are welcome." | 20:51 |
| fenn | kanzure do you have a calendar or some kind of scheduling data management system? | 20:52 |
| fenn | todd is quite a character. he gets into much more than he publishes.. frankly i dont know how he manages to keep so busy | 20:54 |
| fenn | just saw a talk by palantir about their 'horizon' analysis software.. it sorta reminded me of movieOS, you know, something you'd see government officials using on x-files or iron man etc | 20:55 |
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| fenn | i guess it's impressive to do statistical analysis on 400 million records in a few seconds, but i wouldn't know | 20:56 |
| fenn | they seemed quite pleased with what they had done anyway | 20:56 |
| fenn | they didn't know about CYC, which i thought was weird, since they're basically in the same market (intelligence agency analysis software) | 20:57 |
| Joeconyers | Watching now: http://www.palantirtech.com/government/analysis-blog/horizon | 20:59 |
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| Alystair | gnight all | 21:05 |
| kanzure | fenn: my scheduling data management system is a person. | 21:06 |
| kanzure | hrm | 21:09 |
| kanzure | http://extropy.org/public_html/ | 21:10 |
| kanzure | http://extropy.org/smf/ | 21:10 |
| kanzure | http://extropy.org/wiki/ | 21:11 |
| kanzure | i have ftp access to extropy.org | 21:11 |
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| kanzure | hm.. http://extropy.org/ExI%20Strategic%20Plan.pdf | 21:25 |
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| fenn | kanzure, sounds sort of inefficient | 21:26 |
| kanzure | http://www.bioethicsanddisability.org/nanotechnology.html is a major traffic referrer | 21:26 |
| kanzure | http://posthuman.org/ | 21:26 |
| fenn | i know you had a stack overflow with the hierarchical todo list, but maybe there's a way of ranking things by importance so that you can drop things below a certain threshold | 21:26 |
| kanzure | "since 1988" hrm.. | 21:27 |
| kanzure | perhaps | 21:27 |
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| kanzure | are we talking about a calendar or a todo list? | 21:27 |
| kanzure | or both | 21:27 |
| kanzure | i really want an interface to a calendar/todo system a lot like bugseverywhere has via the shell | 21:27 |
| fenn | they're similar.. if you have multiple events scheduled for the same time, it depends a) where you are at that time and b) how much you care about that event | 21:28 |
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| fenn | i havent used bugseverywhere (i do know what it is though) | 21:28 |
| kanzure | huh biohack.sf.net is another major traffic referral source for extropy.org O_O | 21:28 |
| kanzure | ahead of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_More | 21:29 |
| fenn | odd | 21:29 |
| kanzure | and http://transhuman.org/ | 21:29 |
| fenn | so much for conference attending eh | 21:29 |
| kanzure | oh god comic sans ms | 21:29 |
| kanzure | what? conferences? | 21:29 |
| fenn | how much is "direct url" | 21:29 |
| fenn | excluding bots | 21:29 |
| kanzure | it's a webalizer output that i am viewing for 2003 to 2010 (today) | 21:30 |
| kanzure | the top referer is extropy.org itself (wut?) at 18418 hits not adjusted for ots | 21:30 |
| kanzure | *bots | 21:30 |
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| kanzure | huh but the only bot that seems to have any presence is msnbot | 21:31 |
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| fenn | chris rasch gave me an interesting book called 'self-directed behavior', all about keeping track scientifically about what works and what doesn't | 21:32 |
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| kanzure | buh? ftp://ftp.extropy.org/extropy.org | 22:02 |
| kanzure | eheh ftp://ftp.extropy.org/ftp.extropy.org-ftp_log | 22:03 |
| kanzure | so i wonder why the mailing list is hosted here http://andromeda.ziaspace.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat | 22:07 |
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| kanzure | eugen's master thesis: http://leitl.org/oldcontent/ui22204/.html/eleitl-dipl.pdf | 22:20 |
| kanzure | ridiculously old home page: http://leitl.org/oldcontent/ui22204/oldpage.html | 22:20 |
| kanzure | aw yeah http://leitl.org/oldcontent/ui22204/.html/txt/firesyn.txt | 22:21 |
| kanzure | lots of other text files here: http://leitl.org/oldcontent/ui22204/.html/papers.html | 22:22 |
| kanzure | and lots and lots of files http://leitl.org/oldcontent/docs/ some of which are not on http://eugen.leitl.org/ as far as i can tell | 22:24 |
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| fenn | after a thorough sampling, i have determined that orange magic shell is indeed the best | 23:03 |
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