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| fenn | i ate them all, i'm such a bastard | 00:00 |
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| splicer | http://www.erhoff.net/images/_jpeg/misc/you___you_eated_my_cookie_873.jpg | 00:02 |
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| fenn | todd should start working as a freelance photographer on the side http://www.flickr.com/photos/oddwick/4768687556/in/photostream/ | 01:27 |
| fenn | http://www.flickr.com/photos/oddwick/4775640234/ | 01:39 |
| splicer | very ...punk | 01:45 |
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| fenn | punk http://www.flickr.com/photos/oddwick/4499147749/ | 01:53 |
| fenn | "I don't speak Pashtun, but I'm pretty sure this poster says not to throw rocks at crazy people" | 01:55 |
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| splicer | maybe it's 'X marks the spot' so 'Please throw rocks at crazy people' | 02:07 |
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| fenn | i'm starting to think it'd be a good idea to do a full text indexing search engine on all my digital 'stuff' | 02:44 |
| fenn | wondering where i know the name 'jurvetson' from http://www.flickr.com/photos/oddwick/4188284961/ | 02:45 |
| Utopiah | it is a good idea | 02:45 |
| fenn | http://jurvetson.blogspot.com/2006/07/dichotomy-of-design-and-evolution.html#comments | 02:48 |
| fenn | damn extropians hitting all my filters at once | 02:48 |
| Utopiah | I have a weak hybrid system, using locally some grep scripts and for public content Google (sic) but it's not enough (either out of date of few days or slow locally) | 02:49 |
| fenn | i think i should know this guy... stalk: jurvetson | 02:50 |
| fenn | yeah i did something with namazu in order to search through the piles of cruft since 1994 at an ISP I used to work at | 02:51 |
| fenn | was great when it worked | 02:51 |
| fenn | i dont know how to index pdf's beyond just pdf2txt'ing everything | 02:51 |
| fenn | and no, i'm not switching to OSX | 02:51 |
| fenn | and no, i'm not using whatever silly pdf management system you like | 02:51 |
| bkero | jesus fuck my mind | 02:52 |
| Utopiah | pdf2txt is fine I think if you don't add 20 pdfs a day to your DB | 02:52 |
| Utopiah | I mean I don't think it's a good idea to index content you didn't produce in the first place, other are spending resources on that | 02:52 |
| fenn | 1 pdf, 20 pdf's, what's the difference? | 02:52 |
| fenn | the idea is 'where do i know this from' and then i can grep my own cache | 02:53 |
| fenn | but straight grep takes too long | 02:53 |
| Utopiah | right, well for that I often use Google books | 02:53 |
| Utopiah | I want to use the API to restrict the search space to books I read but didn't bother (so far) | 02:53 |
| fenn | nah, it's too hard to sort through *everything* that exists and try to manually match it up to what i've already seen | 02:54 |
| fenn | google works fine for just finding information, the point is personally relevant info | 02:54 |
| Utopiah | eh yes but if you have public information including for each idea the inspiration the if you search through Google it's personnaly relevant | 02:57 |
| Utopiah | but you have in the first place to spend time saying I had the idea X from book Z, I discover concept C1 through article B, ... tiring | 02:57 |
| fenn | yeah semantic stuff is still "the future" | 02:58 |
| fenn | " | 02:58 |
| Utopiah | if you're into Semantic Wikis, WikiMania talks last weekend were pretty nice http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Streaming (recording sitll not up yet) | 02:59 |
| fenn | Ryan Somma is a mild-mannered Software Developer by day, and an Amateur Scientist Ninja by night. | 02:59 |
| fenn | Utopiah: sorry i means "natural language processing", not "semantic" | 02:59 |
| fenn | and afaict semantic wiki is awful "database" inspired crap | 03:00 |
| fenn | losing track of the original idea of why a wiki | 03:00 |
| Utopiah | well some semantic tools like http://www.ifi.uzh.ch/ddis/research/semweb/talking-to-the-semantic-web/nlpreduce/ aim at providing NLP queries but... | 03:01 |
| Utopiah | meh will see, maybe IBM Watson could help there, I think NLP is a tough problem | 03:04 |
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| fenn | no you don't understand.. "semantic" data entry requires a good understanding of whatever ontology you're working in, and the desire to use it. so 99% of the users that just don't give a shit about your ontology will happily wreck the data with good appears-usable contributions that are actually useless | 03:09 |
| fenn | disambiguating a query is the easy part | 03:10 |
| fenn | the original wiki idea was to minimize markup and structure | 03:11 |
| fenn | (and maximize write access) | 03:11 |
| Utopiah | http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiHistory | 03:14 |
| Utopiah | I don't think semantic tools (wikis or not) are nice, I just don't see other solutions | 03:17 |
| fenn | too bad that page doesn't really say anything about the philosophy behind it | 03:20 |
| fenn | they seem to equate wiki with hypercard, which doesn't really make sense to me | 03:21 |
| fenn | ' a collaborative, general-purpose, easy-to-use hypertext system which doesn't require special software on the client side.' | 03:21 |
| Utopiah | regarding "happily wreck the data with good appears-usable" unfortunately yes, more unfortunately I think that's true for any tool, semantic or not, NLP or not | 03:22 |
| fenn | 'What about MUDS? To me, MUDS seem a lot like wikis. Someone creates the base, then the users add pages|rooms|locations which all can access' | 03:22 |
| fenn | Utopiah: sure, vandalism, but i mean unintentionally they will misinterpret your ontology or blithely ignore it | 03:22 |
| fenn | with NLP it's the computer's job to misinterpret what you're saying, but at least it's consistent | 03:23 |
| Utopiah | but even with NLP, people can formulate incorrect queries, no? | 03:23 |
| fenn | "Black Rock Desert in Nevada is the only place in the country with an FAA waiver to shoot up 100,000 feet" | 03:26 |
| fenn | wtf is this country coming to | 03:26 |
| fenn | <context: amateur rocketry? | 03:26 |
| fenn | oh, hmm "on my flight to Estonia for a Skype board meeting" - maybe he's associated with jan talinn | 03:27 |
| fenn | *jaan tallinn, redundancy ftl | 03:27 |
| jrayhawk | Hahaha a MUD version of wikipedia would be fantastic | 03:39 |
| jrayhawk | And, really, meandering through a series of articles and chatting with other meanderers along the way does not seem like a particularly bad approach. | 03:42 |
| fenn | you are in a maze of twisty articles, all alike | 03:46 |
| fenn | a troll is here | 03:46 |
| jrayhawk | You encounter: A mistake! What do you do? (c)orrect (i)gnore (u)se secret cabal of administrators in order to pressure editors into preserving the mistake under philosophically naive rules and semi-democratic bureaucracy? | 03:46 |
| fenn | how come einstein didn't mention the fact that all you have to do is measure the curvature of the earth? http://www.luminousnuminous.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/2.gif | 03:48 |
| jrayhawk | You cast: WP:GNG. The room disappears! You are now in a void. A very angry editor is here. | 03:51 |
| genehacker | Einstein wasn't an experimentalist | 03:58 |
| genehacker | also gravitional acceleration and other acceleration are slightly different according to some new data | 03:58 |
| genehacker | oops gravitational an inertial mass | 03:59 |
| genehacker | actually just forget that | 03:59 |
| genehacker | http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/25331/ | 04:00 |
| fenn | all i'm saying is one is flat and the other is curved | 04:01 |
| genehacker | I'm confused | 04:02 |
| * fenn mumbles something about mars time | 04:06 | |
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| fenn | "steering should be from an iPad with a camera as the only way to see in front" oh yeah that's genius~ | 04:11 |
| fenn | i dont see what the attraction of a non-stowable inflatable boat is | 04:11 |
| fenn | i mean i would want a boat that i can fold up and stuff in the trunk | 04:12 |
| fenn | also, those look like computer graphics renderings | 04:12 |
| genehacker | the hard bottoms are useful for beaching | 04:13 |
| fenn | cool roof though.. would be nice to make a house out of that stuff (aerogel teflon film sandwich) | 04:15 |
| genehacker | most inflatable non stowable boats are used like shuttlecraft on sailboats | 04:15 |
| fenn | i thought aerogel was ungodly expensive though | 04:15 |
| genehacker | well you make aerogel by supercritically drying a gel out, and that's one of the same processes they use to decaffeinate coffee beans | 04:16 |
| genehacker | also there's pyrogels | 04:16 |
| fenn | huh. this photo has almost 400k views http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/751085804/in/set-72057594051805385/ | 04:53 |
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| fenn | jeebus.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/527333495/ | 05:20 |
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| fenn | jeeeebus http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/4650357939/ | 05:49 |
| fenn | that makes me want to cry | 05:49 |
| fenn | The real SpaceX now has a full-size Iron Man statue standing proudly next to the cylon in the breakroom. | 05:57 |
| fenn | guess i should see iron man 2.0 eventually | 05:58 |
| genehacker | ??? | 06:06 |
| fenn | "I was working with my son on his rocket design tonight, grooving on the nomex-honeycomb fins" | 06:11 |
| fenn | some of this stuff sounds like it came from a comic book | 06:12 |
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| fenn | hah - founder of flickr accidentally deletes all his photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/stewart/67773575/ | 06:41 |
| fenn | this world is so fucked | 06:42 |
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| bdesk | this happened to sergei brin once too, except he accidentally deleted his list of everyones social security, cell phone, and bank account numbers | 07:31 |
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